They wanted to try out Karn Sharma.
-
Contact the PP Team
Which bowler would you prefer between Yasir Shah and Ravichandran Ashwin in Tests?
- Thread starter Square Drive
- Start date
They wanted to try out Karn Sharma.
New Yorker
First Class Player
- Joined
- Nov 5, 2015
- Runs
- 3,172
Had to set up a thread like this.
If you had to pick one in your team, who would it be?
Mods - please add a poll - thanks!
On current form Ashwin, and I am not considering his value as a batsman. His strike rate is out of this world. Career wise Yasir may yet turn out to be a better bowler though; he's certainly had the better start.
Mainul
T20I Debutant
- Joined
- Feb 16, 2014
- Runs
- 6,496
Ashwin.What an all rounder.
Bilal7
T20I Star
- Joined
- Feb 17, 2012
- Runs
- 31,707
- Post of the Week
- 1
Like I said, Ashwin gets no points for being so awful overseas that guys like Karn Sharma and Jadeja were picked over him. Lyon completely outbowled him in that series.
Ashwin has not done well overseas yet no doubt, but he has shown clear improvement on the last two tours to Australia and England in 2014. He's going to get better.
Plus, people miss one crucial detail when criticizing his overseas record. He was unfairly dropped 3 times and didn't play on the one pitch which provided turn and was tailor-made for spin bowling on 3 tours. In England, he didn't play in the test where Moeen and Jadeja picked up cheap wickets. Didn't play at Durban which spun lots and Jaddu and Peterson had a great time. Then of course he didn't play at Adelaide where it turned quite a bit on day 3 and square on days 4 and 5.
Imagine if Yasir had been dropped before that last test in England. His statistics would look even more rubbish because he had 2 shocking matches after the first one. Spinners need a little bit of assistance from the pitch. This is true for both Yasir and Ashwin.
Plus, people miss one crucial detail when criticizing his overseas record. He was unfairly dropped 3 times and didn't play on the one pitch which provided turn and was tailor-made for spin bowling on 3 tours. In England, he didn't play in the test where Moeen and Jadeja picked up cheap wickets. Didn't play at Durban which spun lots and Jaddu and Peterson had a great time. Then of course he didn't play at Adelaide where it turned quite a bit on day 3 and square on days 4 and 5.
Imagine if Yasir had been dropped before that last test in England. His statistics would look even more rubbish because he had 2 shocking matches after the first one. Spinners need a little bit of assistance from the pitch. This is true for both Yasir and Ashwin.
sensible-indian-fan
ODI Star
- Joined
- Aug 1, 2013
- Runs
- 35,587
- Post of the Week
- 3
Ashwin got replaced by Karn after taking 3/72 in Oval in his last outside Asia overseas game. Not cos he was rubbish. Karn was more of a leggie-Australia "hopeful" test run.
Yet another dead end I guess. Haha.
I usually don't bother but when I do, its just too easy for me.
Yet another dead end I guess. Haha.
I usually don't bother but when I do, its just too easy for me.
Last edited:
Bilal7
T20I Star
- Joined
- Feb 17, 2012
- Runs
- 31,707
- Post of the Week
- 1
Yasir Shah, just like Ajmal, Swann or Herath before him, would never be dropped because he is a world-class spinner and has the complete faith of his captain.
Ashwin has absolutely no one but himself to blame for being dropped for those three matches. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but I'm sure the majority of India fans wanted him dropped back then as well.
The King of Kings
Debutant
- Joined
- Sep 25, 2016
- Runs
- 95
leg spinners will get you wickets even on dead pitches. Simple, I pick Yasir Messi Shah
Bilal7
T20I Star
- Joined
- Feb 17, 2012
- Runs
- 31,707
- Post of the Week
- 1
Didn't eventually pan out this way, did it?
Dropped, as in for another spinner because he was rubbish. Shah was dropped because Pakistan needed four pacers on a seaming wicket.
Slog
Senior Test Player
- Joined
- Feb 15, 2015
- Runs
- 28,984
- Post of the Week
- 1
Not sure what I said before but it's Adhwin now
If Yasir has good two matches then I'll pick him again
If Yasir has good two matches then I'll pick him again
Abdullah719
T20I Captain
- Joined
- Apr 16, 2013
- Runs
- 44,825
No clear-cut choice. Neutrals can change their choice on a match by match basis.
Ashwin had a bad last match in terms of picking up wickets and ended the England series with an average of >30, which is only his 2nd worst at home after the 2012 England series.
Sidilicious
T20I Debutant
- Joined
- Jun 21, 2013
- Runs
- 6,207
to be fair to Ashwin, the match was bad only in terms of stats. But he was by far the best bowler in the 2nd innings.
Zak_Fan
First Class Captain
- Joined
- Oct 19, 2015
- Runs
- 4,917
Shah was dropped because he couldn't buy a wicket in NZ. As for England tour, Ashwin averaged 33 on pitches where Yasir went wicketless for 200+ runs.
Sidilicious
T20I Debutant
- Joined
- Jun 21, 2013
- Runs
- 6,207
That's wrong line of thinking.
A great spinner will never get dropped even if the pitch is green.
If I extend your line of thinking, then Yasir was not good enough for most of his career to get in to the Pakistan team. Only made it in 2014.
The fact is you stated that Yasir will never get dropped, and he got dropped. Even if India plays on the same NZ green mamba, Ashwin will still make it into the XI.
Sidilicious
T20I Debutant
- Joined
- Jun 21, 2013
- Runs
- 6,207
Also, your posts are full of bias and inconsistencies.
You claimed that Yasir bowled much better than his figures suggest for the Gabba test, in one thread. You asked other posters not to judge Yasir's bowling just by his stats for the Gabba test.
Then, in another thread you claimed that Ashwin was exposed because he was not effective in the final test and was bettered by Jadeja, who 7 wickets in the 2nd inings. Obviously, you did not watch Ashwin bowl and just claimed Ashwin's ineffectiveness from the stats.
Zak_Fan
First Class Captain
- Joined
- Oct 19, 2015
- Runs
- 4,917
Outside Asia, Ashwin averages 4 less than Yasir per wicket despite getting far difficult conditions to bowl at. So people calling Ashwin rubbish away need to check out their hero's performance too.
Great post. I'm sure you took into consideration that Yasir bowled 4 overs and then 9 in the second innings of the NZ tests in addition to considering that Yasir has a 10fer and a 5fer- both of which match winning in England. You must also have considered the fact that Ashwin has just concluded a wonderful series in his home ground India where he has had awesome figures of 1/151 and 2/163 in return to Yasirs average figures in the flatter wickets of the away ground England also!
Abdullah719
T20I Captain
- Joined
- Apr 16, 2013
- Runs
- 44,825
Sure. I didn't watch much of the series so mainly have to go by the stats.
"Couldn't buy a wicket"
when he bowled 4 overs in the first innings and 9 in the second when Pakistan was defending a total of 100.... OK. 
Abdullah719
T20I Captain
- Joined
- Apr 16, 2013
- Runs
- 44,825
Updated title since thread is obviously about bowling. If we include batting then there's no real comparison.
sensible-indian-fan
ODI Star
- Joined
- Aug 1, 2013
- Runs
- 35,587
- Post of the Week
- 3
True...second worst ever performance in Asia statistically. Though he averaged 23.7 till 4 tests with highest wickets.
Last test was just God's will. Never seen a bowler go wicketless after bowling the way he did a whole day.
Zak_Fan
First Class Captain
- Joined
- Oct 19, 2015
- Runs
- 4,917
Have you considered Yasir's average of 46 outside Asia? I bet not.
Have you also considered the nature of English surfaces both Yasir and Ashwin bowled on? Don't think so.
dont include wi series,,,,,
and won us two matches..lets see what ashwin does after seeing him going wicketless on indian road..
If it were the case then I don't think Sohail Khan would be taking 5fers on such pitches. It was simply a case of batting masterclass and Yasir having an off day(it happens, he's human). If you were to nitpick such cases, explain Ashwins wonderful cases of 2/163 or 1/151 on a pitch which Jadeja managed a 10fer.
I don't think there's much difference between Ashwin and Yasir(Yasir maybe edges it) in terms of performance as opposed to you who can't contain his childish bias. I just rate Yasir higher because of other circumstances.
Zak_Fan
First Class Captain
- Joined
- Oct 19, 2015
- Runs
- 4,917
Off day? You do realize that I am talking about Yasir's overall record outside Asia, right?
And before calling me biased, read what I am writing. Bias would be if I play blind to Ashwin's deficiencies away while bringing down Yasir for no reason. Am I doing that? No. I am only stating facts about Yasir's performances away. Yasir averaging 46 away is not my bias, but simply a fact.
Last edited:
But son, it is a bias. You're ignoring the impact and the performance of Yasir. Blindly going by stats doesn't show what has really happened...Why don't we instead analyse a bit more of Yasirs outside of Asia...
England:
Lords- Well lol. ATM Ashwin has done zilch to even compare to Yasir here.
Old Trafford- Failure by Yasir(World class batsman doing his thing)
Nottingham-Ditto..a failure
London-Match winning 5fer
NZ-bowler a total of 13 overs..4 in first innings, 9 when he's defending a paltry 100
Aus-Semi poor. Used horrendously by the captain as a container- bringing in a spinner from 11th over lol. And some overall ok bowling
So how is that awful? It's not amazing- it's decent overall. A few brilliant performances, some mediocre and some ok.
However, stats aside, judging on impact, Yasir has overall been good and a spinner who can win matches abroad is a world class spinner.
Last edited by a moderator:
Zak_Fan
First Class Captain
- Joined
- Oct 19, 2015
- Runs
- 4,917
On pitches that were entirely different to the kind of English pitches Ashwin bowled in. Yasir did win Pakistan 2 matches, and I wouldn't take anything away from that performance.
But for rest of the matches, he averaged 125 runs per wicket. So when you bash Ashwin for averaging 33 in England, maybe you should keep other factors in mind as well.
Zak_Fan
First Class Captain
- Joined
- Oct 19, 2015
- Runs
- 4,917
Would you extend your "impact" logic to admit that Ishant is superior to your entire pace attack when it comes to winning matches away?
Or would you admit that Ajit Agarkar had a bigger impact in Australia than all your Wasim, Waqars and Akhtars combined?
Would you admit it, son?
Last edited by a moderator:
ego-gambit
Debutant
- Joined
- Mar 18, 2016
- Runs
- 191
Those saying leggie >> offie outside subcontinent will change their decision after this test series when Lyon beats Yasir in wickets & match winning performances
Zak_Fan
First Class Captain
- Joined
- Oct 19, 2015
- Runs
- 4,917
Now you are the one finding ridiculous excuses for your bowler, and then you call me biased.
Let me use similar excuses. Dhoni sucked as a Test captain, and this is why Ashwin could never fulfil his potential away. Watch him own the world under Kohli's captaincy.
geraltofrivia
Tape Ball Captain
- Joined
- Jul 18, 2016
- Runs
- 1,031
- Post of the Week
- 1
Ashwin led India to a 2-0 win in WI, a country where "greats" like Imran, Wasim, Waqar etc etc have never been able to win a series in their lifetime.
ego-gambit
Debutant
- Joined
- Mar 18, 2016
- Runs
- 191
Joke He plays for World no.1 test team
Barragan
Test Debutant
- Joined
- Dec 30, 2013
- Runs
- 14,143
Still the same, Yasir.
FlickedOffHips
Tape Ball Captain
- Joined
- Apr 21, 2015
- Runs
- 1,004
ashwin obviously. better spinner, also younger.
Abdullah719
T20I Captain
- Joined
- Apr 16, 2013
- Runs
- 44,825
Yasir bowled less in NZ because he wasn't looking like getting wickets. Had he bowled more his numbers would have been even worse. He was indeed lucky in those terms to avoid further damage to his stats.
He bowled less because the pitch was green and assisting pacers, thus they needed to bowl more often. He only bowled more in the second innings when the match was lost. If you need to bowl your spinner for long periods on a green pitch then the pacers aren't doing their job.
By a few months...
Now you are the one finding ridiculous excuses for your bowler, and then you call me biased.
Let me use similar excuses. Dhoni sucked as a Test captain, and this is why Ashwin could never fulfil his potential away. Watch him own the world under Kohli's captaincy.
Ok beta, let me clarify one thing, I am hardly a Pakistani supporter. Just because I am a fan of Yasir doesn't mean you label Pakistans pace attack my pace attack. And yes, Ishant bowled a damn good spell at lords(was as green as an apple tho) and it was hella impacting and I can remember it well because. Read in other threads, I label Paks pace attack lower than Bnglas and Indias. I also said that Ashwin is almost as good as Yasir. His recent 5fer on a relatively flatter wicket was pretty good and shows he has the potential to do well abroad. However I go by feats and not assumptions and opinions of a little beta's. As of yet Ashwin has failed to flatter abroad, altho am sure he can rectify that. Once he does, I will rate him on Yasirs level. You failed to comprehend that I rate Yasir better because he performs with a tactically poor captain as opposed to Ashwin doing awful when Dhoni was at the helm.
Learn to judge based on feats rather than assumptions, lad.
Ok, what do you want me to do? Yasir can have his turn in the upcoming series(if there is one, if am not wrong). But you're sure asking for trouble if you're questioning the performance of 'greats' like Imran in the West Indies lol.
Last edited:
shaz619
Test Star
- Joined
- Mar 31, 2010
- Runs
- 38,432
- Post of the Week
- 7
Brilliant posts! posters being humiliated here, agree with your arguments 100% I think given that they are Indian it is difficult for them to see beyond their bias and those whom disagree with them immediately become alleged Pakistan fans, am in fact a mixed raced neutral
FlickedOffHips
Tape Ball Captain
- Joined
- Apr 21, 2015
- Runs
- 1,004
you should see what he can do in those extra months.
Just because some posters are ready to support cricketers due to having the same nationality of them doesn't mean we'd also do that. Appreciating a good cricketer doesn't mean putting them on the pedestal of a God.
I second the bolded bit
Last edited by a moderator:
Bonafide Hustler
Debutant
- Joined
- Jan 6, 2010
- Runs
- 215
You guys are also ignoring that Yasir has a terrible captain to deal with, how in the hell is Yasir supposed to pick up wickets with the defensive feilds Misbah sets forcing him to bowl leg stump lines etc. Leg spinners are highly dependent on good captaincy. Kohli sets far better feilds for Ashwin.
sensible-indian-fan
ODI Star
- Joined
- Aug 1, 2013
- Runs
- 35,587
- Post of the Week
- 3
Wow so much mudslinging.
Answer is not clear cut.
Yasir for current overseas performance (Lord's and Oval).
Ashwin for potential.
Howsatttt!!!!!
Yasir now has a chance to overtake Ashwin with his performance in 2 tests in Aus. They both performed identical in Gabba. One top order wicket and one tail. Ash didn't bowl 2nd innings in Gabba though.
Answer is not clear cut.
Yasir for current overseas performance (Lord's and Oval).
Ashwin for potential.
Howsatttt!!!!!
Yasir now has a chance to overtake Ashwin with his performance in 2 tests in Aus. They both performed identical in Gabba. One top order wicket and one tail. Ash didn't bowl 2nd innings in Gabba though.
sensible-indian-fan
ODI Star
- Joined
- Aug 1, 2013
- Runs
- 35,587
- Post of the Week
- 3
Similar problem Ash had.
Ashwin had to bowl with spray gun pacers during his last tour to Aus and still matched Lyon's numbers in the 3 tests they both played.
Many a times he would go at 2.xx rpo when other pacers would be creamed at 4-5 rpo. Then eventually even he would go for a few runs due to set batsmen.
In England, he didn't have a crack at Lord's or Oval 2nd innings.
The 2 innings he bowled, we were bundled out cheaply (innings defeat) and still he did well as much as he could.
Ashwin's overseas record is terribly misleading. Even legendary offies struggle in Aus and he bowled in Aus mainly.
Overall...not much to separate between these 2. Depends on how you rate each other's potential.
Agreed that Yasir is managed badly by Misbah.
Last edited:
Bonafide Hustler
Debutant
- Joined
- Jan 6, 2010
- Runs
- 215
Yes, generally offies tend to struggle in certain conditions. This is why generally speaking a good leg spinner is more valuable as they become wicket takers in even difficult conditions. Yasir is not a traditional leg spinner so he struggles at times on flat wickets, but he has potential to be deadly in those conditions if used properly and if he utilizes flight properly. For an off spinner, even an excellent one, it is almost impossible.
street cricketer
Test Debutant
- Joined
- Oct 14, 2015
- Runs
- 15,677
- Post of the Week
- 7
I understand that, yet ppers don't take these things into consideration for Ashwin. For example, Yasir played all 4 tests in England and got 7 or 8 innings to prove his worth. Even if he failed in one or two matches, he got 4 tests to prove his worth as his place was never under any threat. Was not the same case with Ashwin. Was not picked in the first 3 matches and only picked in the last two when Jadeja had failed in the first 3 and India started getting a proper spanking on seaming wickets. He got to bowl after India were bowled out for 150 scores in the last 2 matches (similar to Pakistan's first match in NZ). Scoreboard pressure is something very important for spinners overseas. But Indian batting totally flopped in the last 2 matches in England and Ashwin only got to bowl with 140-150 runs on the board. Yet did well to pick 3 wickets and average 33 in the few overs he got to bowl.
Yet no one considers these things and just brands Ashwin as a "failure" in England. People just say Ashwin was dropped because he wasn't good enough. Brother [MENTION=139678]Zak_Fan[/MENTION] is probably using the same logic to the likes of Billoo.
Last edited:
yess...agreed....both are wonderful..both have shortcomings...on flat pitches i will go with yasir as he is leggie plus fields well,,,,any otherype of t codition then ash is excellent coz he does more with the bat which is priceless...
yess...agreed....both are wonderful..both have shortcomings...on flat pitches i will go with yasir as he is leggie plus fields well,,,,any otherype of t codition then ash is excellent coz he does more with the bat which is priceless...
Abdullah719
T20I Captain
- Joined
- Apr 16, 2013
- Runs
- 44,825
I understand that, yet ppers don't take these things into consideration for Ashwin. For example, Yasir played all 4 tests in England and got 7 or 8 innings to prove his worth. Even if he failed in one or two matches, he got 4 tests to prove his worth as his place was never under any threat. Was not the same case with Ashwin. Was not picked in the first 3 matches and only picked in the last two when Jadeja had failed in the first 3 and India started getting a proper spanking on seaming wickets. He got to bowl after India were bowled out for 150 scores in the last 2 matches (similar to Pakistan's first match in NZ). Scoreboard pressure is something very important for spinners overseas. But Indian batting totally flopped in the last 2 matches in England and Ashwin only got to bowl with 140-150 runs on the board. Yet did well to pick 3 wickets and average 33 in the few overs he got to bowl.
Yet no one considers these things and just brands Ashwin as a "failure" in England. People just say Ashwin was dropped because he wasn't good enough. Brother [MENTION=139678]Zak_Fan[/MENTION] is probably using the same logic to the likes of Billoo.
My post was in response to the claim that 'Yasir bowled less because he couldn't get wickets'.
I don't think Ashwin's bowling across 3 innings in England tells us much but overall he has struggled outside Asia/WI. I think he is a much improved bowler nowadays than he was before though, so expectations from him will be higher once India tours Eng/Aus/NZ/SA next.
street cricketer
Test Debutant
- Joined
- Oct 14, 2015
- Runs
- 15,677
- Post of the Week
- 7
Has only really bowled in Australia. Rest all too short a sample size to consider it significant.
Was poor in his first tour of Australia. But 2 years back, he didn't get to play in the most spin friendly wicket of the series (Adelaide). The remaining three were all absolute roads, but he did finish as the joint highest wicket taker in those 3 matches along with 2 pacers (even though he was more expensive). Many Aussies actually praised him for his performance as a finger spinner on the concrete roads he got to bowl on.
Ashwin never got to bowl as a first choice spinner like Yasir till now. He had some issues with Dhoni for the same reason. I'm sure Kohli will play him more consistently instead of playing him for one and dropping him for 3 matches. In fact, the last WI series was the only series he got to bowl as a first choice spinner for a full series. I wouldn't expect Ashwin to rout teams overseas. I expect him to get 4-5 wickets per match which I think is reasonable for a spinner overseas unless it's a spin friendly slow wicket. But I'll judge him when he gets to bowl with a good score to defend when we tour next year overseas. He hasn't got that chance yet. We were skittled for paltry totals in England and almost always bowled first on the roads in Australia as we lost tosses there.
Belawal2014
ODI Debutant
- Joined
- Feb 2, 2015
- Runs
- 8,522
Ashwin for me when this thread was created, and still Ashwin.
Sadevdesai
Local Club Star
- Joined
- Oct 10, 2012
- Runs
- 1,865
As soon as Ashwin got this Award, I knew blogs on PP would be full of why Ashwin should not have been given this Award .... or why someone else was more deserving than Ashwin !!! Look guys .... we all look through at this with slightly jealous view .... admit it. I am sure few independent minded former Crickters set around a table and came up with a name ..... it was Ashwin this year .... it is what it is. Ashwin was definitely great with the ball but his batting abilities may have put him over the top of everyone else. Yasir has just begun to bat well, I hope he continues...... and may be next year he gets the Award !!! Sure hope so.
Don Quixote
Debutant
- Joined
- Jun 13, 2016
- Runs
- 33
Did you forget the first Test against England? A 5-fer in the first innings on a non spinning pitch. Can Ashwin perform like this on such a pitch? No.
There is no use of averages if he didnot won you a single match, I will take a match winning spell over 33 average
Ashwin will be slaughtered away
Mamoon
ATG
- Joined
- Sep 3, 2012
- Runs
- 106,478
- Post of the Week
- 12
The usual suspects have become broken records with this one, but no matter how many times you repeat it, Ashwin is simply better than Yasir. That's all.
The usual Ashwin fans have become broken records with this one, no matter how many times one repeats it, Ashwin doen't have the feats to put him on the same level as Yasir. However, before the cry babies moan, I'd just like to say that Ashwin does indeed have the potential to match Yasir's away feats as he has all the tools of a world class spinner...at the moment though he's behind.
Last edited by a moderator:
I don't think Ashwin record in England is terrible. In total he bowled for 2 innings, in first one he bowled 14 overs for 29 runs, and in second one he took 3 wickets for 72 runs. He never got to bowl on 4th or 5th day pitch, thats when spinners come into play.
Chrish
First Class Captain
- Joined
- Feb 17, 2015
- Runs
- 4,827
- Post of the Week
- 1
For bowling alone, Yasir..
Mamoon
ATG
- Joined
- Sep 3, 2012
- Runs
- 106,478
- Post of the Week
- 12
Yasir has been brutally exposed on this tour, but yes let's blame it all on Misbah.
Ab Fan
Senior Test Player
- Joined
- Sep 24, 2015
- Runs
- 28,007
So, Yasir > Ashwin in only country i.e. England.
But in England Ashwin also did well and still avgs better in the limited chance he got.
But in England Ashwin also did well and still avgs better in the limited chance he got.
leatherface58
Senior T20I Player
- Joined
- Jul 18, 2011
- Runs
- 17,956
Ashwin has a better record in Australia (the worst place for spinners) than Swann, Murali, Yasir. He improved his bowling during the second tour to Australia. Add his batting and Ashwin makes the team 10/10 times. Yasir has been a severe disappointment.
I am biased to leg spinners but Ashwin is simply the better bowler for now.
I am biased to leg spinners but Ashwin is simply the better bowler for now.
Zak_Fan
First Class Captain
- Joined
- Oct 19, 2015
- Runs
- 4,917
Not even a contest as of now. Ashwin is superior in both Asia and away.
Ankit007
First Class Star
- Joined
- Nov 30, 2015
- Runs
- 3,446
Ashwin... Ashwin... Ashwin... Ashwin...
Drreddymd
Tape Ball Captain
- Joined
- Jan 1, 2017
- Runs
- 1,139
Yasir is gradualling becoming top century and double century maker for pakistan
FlickedOffHips
Tape Ball Captain
- Joined
- Apr 21, 2015
- Runs
- 1,004
Ashwin scores centuries with the bat, Yasir scores centuries with the bowl. Both are in a league of their own.
Bewal Express
Test Star
- Joined
- Nov 6, 2005
- Runs
- 39,647
Yasir will be dropped soon.
Zak_Fan
First Class Captain
- Joined
- Oct 19, 2015
- Runs
- 4,917
3 overs, 38 runs
I still like Yasir, but as a bowler, he is far behind Ashwin.
I still like Yasir, but as a bowler, he is far behind Ashwin.
Bilal7
T20I Star
- Joined
- Feb 17, 2012
- Runs
- 31,707
- Post of the Week
- 1
Shah has been severely let down by the pacers and the management. He's overworked, unfit but still has to bowl at the opening batsmen in almost every innings. Next year's easy test schedule will do him a world of good.
However, it has to be said. Yasir Shah is no Saeed Ajmal. Ajmal carried our attack for a good three years and would have continued to do so if he wasn't banned. Shah has carried our attack for an year and a half but it is already taking its toll.
Maybe in India. Doesn't have any experience of bowling on rank turners after all.
However, it has to be said. Yasir Shah is no Saeed Ajmal. Ajmal carried our attack for a good three years and would have continued to do so if he wasn't banned. Shah has carried our attack for an year and a half but it is already taking its toll.
3 overs, 38 runs
I still like Yasir, but as a bowler, he is far behind Ashwin.
Maybe in India. Doesn't have any experience of bowling on rank turners after all.
Zak_Fan
First Class Captain
- Joined
- Oct 19, 2015
- Runs
- 4,917
Everywhere, and even you can't deny it with a straight face now.
Bilal7
T20I Star
- Joined
- Feb 17, 2012
- Runs
- 31,707
- Post of the Week
- 1
Because of course, the last few months have shown us that Ashwin is not a failure in Australia, England and South Africa.
cric_fanatic
Debutant
- Joined
- Mar 27, 2016
- Runs
- 104
Yasir is not match. There is no shame in admitting that he is second to the No.1 test cricketer. Ashwin is miles ahead, any condition.
cric_fanatic
Debutant
- Joined
- Mar 27, 2016
- Runs
- 104
Well if Ashwin was a failure, then Yasir was a disaster.
Please check the records sir. He has 21 wickets in Aus.
Played one test in SA, that too 6 overs in 1st innings.
2 tests in England.
Hes done way way better than Yasir...
Please check the records sir. He has 21 wickets in Aus.
Played one test in SA, that too 6 overs in 1st innings.
2 tests in England.
Hes done way way better than Yasir...
cric_fanatic
Debutant
- Joined
- Mar 27, 2016
- Runs
- 104
You dont always need to show 5 wickets to prove you are better bowler. Its also about control
Yasir has been one dimentional. Warner just gave him an absolute hiding.
Yasir has been one dimentional. Warner just gave him an absolute hiding.
Dr_Bassim
Senior T20I Player
- Joined
- Dec 25, 2009
- Runs
- 18,854
- Post of the Week
- 8
Of course Yasir Shah is no Saeed Ajmal.
Yasir bowls legal deliveries something which Ajmal didn't/couldn't.
The minute Ajmal starts bowling with a round arm action like Yasir, he became useless.
Yasir bowls legal deliveries something which Ajmal didn't/couldn't.
The minute Ajmal starts bowling with a round arm action like Yasir, he became useless.
Last edited by a moderator:
Indiafan
Senior T20I Player
- Joined
- Jul 29, 2006
- Runs
- 19,664
- Post of the Week
- 8
Yes average of 33 vs average of 40 in England and Ashwin is a failure. Average of 50 v 90 in Australia. In SA he has bowled in one match for God's sake
Abdullah719
T20I Captain
- Joined
- Apr 16, 2013
- Runs
- 44,825
Ashwin may have inched ahead by a millimetre for now. 
Similar threads
- Poll
- Poll
