Which country has produced most number of quality fast bowlers?

[HASHAM2]

West Indies Fast bowling Talent has Gone down

Current South africa,Australia and Pakistan are Right up there

 

[soso_killer]

Where is SA? In the last 20 years alone they have 4 bowlers in the 300 hundred club all averaging below 29. How many countries have more than two?
I think they deserve a bit of respect.
Then there was Fannie de Villiers who started his career very late at 29 due to isolation. Ironicaly it was Brett Schultz who was selected ahead of him despite him being a leading wicket taker that season.
He would have been a sub 26 bowler easily.

 

[Saqs]

Historically it has to be Windies, Australia and then Pakistan.

More recently it has gotta be Australis, South Africa and Pakistan.

 

[soso_killer]

Bowlers with under 25 avg with min 100 wickets
Aus - Mcgrath , Lilee , Lindwall , Davidson , Miller , Reid , Turner (7)
Eng - Truman , Statham , Bedser , Barnes , Lohmann (5)
WI - Walsh , Ambrose , Marshall , Garner , Bishop , Croft (6)
Pak - Akram , Waqar , Imran , Holding , Fazal , Asif (6)
SA - Pollock , Donald , Steyn , Pllock , Adcock (5)
NZ - Hadlee (1)
So Australia gets my vote

interesting, Phil will make it 6. De Villiers ended with 80 wickets and could have made it 7. Then there are guys that missed out during the apartheid era such Procter, Barnes etc...
So SA will have 6 bowlers one short of Australia

 

[battler]

India!!
kapil,srinath,zaheer )

 

[Statistics375]

Australia has produced 2 ATG Fast bowlers:

Pakistan has produced 3 ATG Fast bowlers:

West Indies has produced 3 ATG Fast bowlers:

Criteria: 300+ Test wickets at an average of under 25.



I would say West Indies as most of their quicks did not get to 300 wickets because of them having so many excellent Bowlers not because they were not skilled enough.

 

[Statistics375]

India!!
kapil,srinath,zaheer )

You missed out legend Venkatesh Prasad.

 

[akheR]

Where is SA? In the last 20 years alone they have 4 bowlers in the 300 hundred club all averaging below 29. How many countries have more than two?
I think they deserve a bit of respect.
Then there was Fannie de Villiers who started his career very late at 29 due to isolation. Ironicaly it was Brett Schultz who was selected ahead of him despite him being a leading wicket taker that season.
He would have been a sub 26 bowler easily.

What do you think of my post ?

Also, if it wasn't for its international isolation, I think South Africa would have been ahead of PAK and AUS and slightly behind WI (Vince van der Bijl, Mike Procter, Garth Le Roux, ... and more recently Allan Donald, Shaun Pollock and Dale Steyn but also "less rated" like Fanie de Villiers, Brett Schultz or Makhaya Ntini)

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=6335518&postcount=77

 

[soso_killer]

What do you think of my post ?



http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=6335518&postcount=77

yeah just say that. South Africa deserved to be kicked out of the international arena. But cricket in sporting terms missed out

 

[fastyy]

There is no country that produces more fast bowlers than pakistan. We have not even looked in most of our country yet as Pcb is corrupt as sht. Fast twitch muscles baby.

 

[Madplayer]

There is no country that produces more fast bowlers than pakistan. We have not even looked in most of our country yet as Pcb is corrupt as sht. Fast twitch muscles baby.

we are talking about QUALITY test class bowlers. Not just the quantity. Historically Pakistan has produced legends.

Off topic : Currently, Sure Pakistan is producing most number of fast bowlers in the world but how many of them can be called potential ATGs? Can any of them stand in front of steyn and say Im as good as u? I dont think so.

 

[battler]

You missed out legend Venkatesh Prasad.

We are talking fast bowlers not spinners

 

[Kianig89]

Debasish Mohanty had alot of potential shame he never played Test for India otherwise people would had forgot the likes of Donald Akram etc his action was very smooth

 

[battler]

Debasish Mohanty had alot of potential shame he never played Test for India otherwise people would had forgot the likes of Donald Akram etc his action was very smooth

His action was like he was gonna drown any time!

 

[akheR]

Debasish Mohanty had alot of potential shame he never played Test for India otherwise people would had forgot the likes of Donald Akram etc his action was very smooth

And Ramakant Desai...

Ramakant Bhikaji "Tiny" Desai, died in a Mumbai hospital on April 27, 1998, aged 58, while awaiting heart surgery. Tiny Desai was only 5ft 4in tall but, from a supple run-up, generated sufficient pace to sustain the Indian attack in the 1960s, when it desperately needed sustenance, and usually got it only from spin bowlers... Wisden praised his rare ability, endless courage, and his out-swinger, though the team was hopelessly overmatched, and he was over-bowled. That was often the way: he was on the winning side in only four of his 28 Tests. But he played a crucial role in blunting the threat of Hanif Mohammad in the 1960-61 series against Pakistan. Hanif had some trouble against Desai's deceptive bouncer, and was dismissed by him four times in nine innings: the Indians joked that he was Ramakant's bakra- the Hindi equivalent of rabbit. With the older ball, Desai was especially effective.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/player/28045.html

 

[Saqs]

Ah yes, Holding was a legendary pakistani bowler.

Lol saw that as well.

 

[Haroon786]

Being biased, Pakistan.

 

[Haroon786]

IMO Fazal Mahmood was a great fast bowler, what a legend.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=186127

 

[Bilal7]

Where is SA? In the last 20 years alone they have 4 bowlers in the 300 hundred club all averaging below 29. How many countries have more than two?
I think they deserve a bit of respect.
Then there was Fannie de Villiers who started his career very late at 29 due to isolation. Ironicaly it was Brett Schultz who was selected ahead of him despite him being a leading wicket taker that season.
He would have been a sub 26 bowler easily.

Definitely fourth on this list.

 

[Energetic]

When it comes to exciting talent of pacers then Pakistan is probably the best. Top 4 have generally always been South Africa, Australia, Pakistan and West Indies.

The worst are Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and of course India (billion)

 

[yasir]

Who said Australia only recently? I agree they have been better than Pakistan overall but Pakistan was better in that period (80s to 2009) and West Indies has been better than them overall (as you've stated).

How WI is better than AUS in producing fast bowlers? - WI has produced lot of fast bowlers in one era (1975 to 1995), but before and after that time, they have being pretty ordinary. Where as AUS has being producing fast bowlers consistently… The same goes for SA, they have quality fast bowlers every time, since they got back…

Pakistan has being producing fast bowler and seamers since the beginning, Pakistan may not be producing as many fast bowler as other primarily because we are also producing high quality spinners in great numbers which non of other countries above do… You can have only so many bowlers in the squad… In that sense its not like we cannot produce fast bowler in number, but we have capability and variety to produce fast and spin bowler at the same time. In that sense we are as good as anybody else in bowling department…. Only thing we need is more number of test and with quality teams… Then people will see the true strength of Pakistani cricket. - Note: We have one of the most important ingredient bowling, without much tests, the other "batting" can only get better with more test cricket.

 

[Gilly]

I had a look at bowlers from 1970 onwards to see which bowlers have produced against the top teams.
My criteria was at least 50 wickets and average under 25 selecting the top 10 of those qualified.


Against England

RM Hogg
J Garner
C Ambrose
M Marshall
M Murali
G McGrath
D Lillee
M Holding
T Alderman
A Donald

Against Australia

R Hadlee
J Garner
C Ambrose
M Marshall
M Holding
J Snow
A Roberts
I Khan

Against India

A Donald
G McGrath
D Steyn
S Pollock
C Walsh
A Roberts
M Marshall
R Hadlee
R Willis
I Khan

Against South Africa

C Walsh
M Murali
S Warne
J Sinath

Against Pakistan

C Croft
S Warne
M Marshall
G McGrath
C Walsh

Against NZ

W Akram
D Steyn
R Willis
W Younis
M Murali
I Botham
S Warne

Against Sri Lanka

W Akram
W Younis
D Vettori

I don't think anyone could dispute the fact that the West Indies produce the most amount of quality fast bowlers.

 

[akheR]

I had a look at bowlers from 1970 onwards to see which bowlers have produced against the top teams.
My criteria was at least 50 wickets and average under 25 selecting the top 10 of those qualified.

I don't think anyone could dispute the fact that the West Indies produce the most amount of quality fast bowlers.

I did something similar, to see how many WI bowlers had +10 wickets @ average less than 30 in Pakistan (where a lot of pacers have traditionally struggled) and came out to know that at east 8 WI bowlers were concerned, with some having crazy figures (Wes Hall 17 and Malcolm Marshall 21, amongst others...)
As a comparison, Pak own fast bowlers in home conditions with +10 wickets/-30 average were 10.

I think that says a lot, there's no space for debate as who's the #1, but when it comes to the #2, it would be a distant #2.

 

[LooneyReturns]

India , in theory

 

[Ab Fan]

WI, Aus, SA, Pak

 

[mayankp.sverige]

New zealand and South Africa also

 

[Arham_PakFan]

West Indies,Pakistan and Australia

 

[Hasan123]

Battle between Australia and West Indies.

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

Pakistan, Australia, Daylight, South Africa/New Zealand

 

[hadi123]

I'd have to say West Indies as in their great era they had fast bowlers everywhere. Shame that their standards have dropped recently

 

[Bhaijaan]

Australia and it’s not even close.

 

[yasir]

I am not sure why SA name is not an option?? - They have 5M population who plays cricket, in last 2 decades, there is always one fast bowler in top 5 from them, mostly its number 1

Number(along with quality) of fast bowlers WI produces from 1975 to 1995, nobody else in the history of game has produced. I doubt this will be matched in my life time...Unfortunately Cricket in hands of India, means golden era of fast bowling is a past. Not just India but future of Test Cricket is in serious threat, combing those to facts, Cricket as we know it will be history in next two decades. Most of the kids don't get test cricket anyway

 

[daytrader]

The most consistent has been Pakistan. Doesn't matter what era we've always have them

 

[Ab Fan]

SA have Donald, Steyn, Rabada, Pollock and Philander.

That is the highest since 90s. Also, all five of them have had enough career to be classed as fulfilled potential. The likes of Ntini and Morkel were world-class as well.

 

[The_Odd_One]

SA because their pace factory has not shut down like West Indies

 

[jadaja]

It is no wonder people here somehow think Pakistan has produced great fast bowlers.

No Pakistan produced three great fast bowlers and one Akthar whom I would not put in great category.

It is Australia followed by WI because of recent drought and then SA. Pakistan would be distant fourth.

 

[cricketAXEpert]

Have to define a time period some countries have been playing a lot longer than others.
But from 70s onwards
1. West indies (a very long list)
2. Australia
3. South Africa
4. Pakistan

 

[ManFan]

AUS hasn’t produced jack besides Lillee, Johnson (hit or miss), Lee and McGrath.

SA is boom or bust with Pollock, Steyn, Rabada the standout options.

PAK had Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib, Asif, Amir.

WI hasn’t produced a single great bowler since Walsh retired. The likes of Edwards, Best, Colleymore, Gabriel, Roach, started off great but just did not live up to the hype.

Overall, SA has had the best fast bowlers but they lack the killer instinct.

AUS’ bowlers are great but far and few in between.

PAK had a great trio but the likes of Amir and Asif failed to carry the torch.

WI, well, a string of outliers doesn’t count as a production of fast bowlers.

 

[Ab Fan]

AUS hasn’t produced jack besides Lillee, Johnson (hit or miss), Lee and McGrath.

SA is boom or bust with Pollock, Steyn, Rabada the standout options.

PAK had Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib, Asif, Amir.

WI hasn’t produced a single great bowler since Walsh retired. The likes of Edwards, Best, Colleymore, Gabriel, Roach, started off great but just did not live up to the hype.

Overall, SA has had the best fast bowlers but they lack the killer instinct.

AUS’ bowlers are great but far and few in between.

PAK had a great trio but the likes of Amir and Asif failed to carry the torch.

WI, well, a string of outliers doesn’t count as a production of fast bowlers.

If you are including Asif, you should definitely include Ryan Harris for Australia.

For SA, Donald and Philander has to be there as well. And you missed Imran Khan as well for Pakistan.

Overall, if I conclude:-

Since 70s:-

WI- Marshall, Holding, Garner, Robert, Ambrose, Walsh(6)

Aus- Lillee, McGrath, Gillispie, Harris(unfulfilled potential), Johnson(5)( Surely, someone from Starc, Cummins and Hazlewood will add. So, it will increase)

SA- Donald, Pollock, Steyn, Philander, Rabada, Ntini(6)

Pak- Wasim, Imran, Waqar, Akhtar, Asif(unfulfilled)(5)

Conclusion is that WI are the best although Aus/SA will eventually surpass them because they are having great future ahead in terms of pace bowling.

 

[FreePalestine]

South Africa should be in with a shout (if we are talking proportionately)

Since 1994 - Donald, Pollock, Steyn, Rabada, Philander, Ntini and Morkel for brief periods, Ngidi [hope for the future] Those are some top class names in only 24 years of cricket!