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Which series is bigger: The Ashes or the Border-Gavaskar trophy?

Which series is bigger?

  • The Ashes

    Votes: 13 38.2%

  • Border-Gavaskar Trophy

    Votes: 21 61.8%
  • Total voters
    34
sindhiboy said:
The BGT has obviously been more competitive. The last few Ashes series in Australia have been some of the most boring test series going around, way too one sided.
Having said that, the next year's ashes will definitely be a lot closer and entertaining.
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I do think best ashes>best BGT
1981 was epic that we haven't seen in BGT.But on average BGT>Ashes
 
England need to find a way to be competitive in Australia.

They are arguably worse than Pakistan there, given that the series gets all the attention and they play more tests and more often: constant scorelines of 0-5, 0-4 with an odd rained out draw won't cut it.
 
Couldn't care less. I'm not even going to give my opinion. All I'll say is I enjoy the BGT for obvious reasons.

On another note, Ashes started before any other teams played bilateral Test cricket. How do you expect any other Test series to rival the prestige? Add to that, most Aussies and English don't even have cricket as their main sport. Of course, they'll care for the Ashes because of the history attached.​
 
India and Australia. Best cricket on the planet. Best cricketers, variety of conditions and what not.

The love for BGT is an online phenomena though. Odi and T20 are the biggest draw for the Indian audience. The general populace won't care if India are whitewashed in BGT.

Ashes has far more history and prestige. Seeped into their respective cultures.

The players care about it and failure ends careers.
 
Ashes Series is the daddy of them all. How can any one who was around, forget the GOAT Series of 05, simply memorizing, with the best of the best in calibre of player.
 
obviously BGT is the greatest cricket trophy.....even better than ODI and T20 world cup
 
NEITHER.

The World Test Championship is all that counts.

And while two geriatric teams in sharp decline play the Border-Gavaskar Trophy, South Africa have culled their failing geriatrics and built a good young team.
 
Junaids said:
NEITHER.

The World Test Championship is all that counts.

And while two geriatric teams in sharp decline play the Border-Gavaskar Trophy, South Africa have culled their failing geriatrics and built a good young team.
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any thoughts on this record ?

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Junaids said:
NEITHER.

The World Test Championship is all that counts.

And while two geriatric teams in sharp decline play the Border-Gavaskar Trophy, South Africa have culled their failing geriatrics and built a good young team.
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WTC final?? A joke

Thanks but no thanks
 
Cricket’s biggest festive season ever has seen records tumble, with the NRMA Insurance Boxing Day Test at the MCG making history with the largest attendance for a Test match played in Australia

The total attendance of 373,691 surpassed the previous mark of 350,534 from 1937, where fans saw Don Bradman’s Australia defeat England in a six-day Test.

The 74,362 that attended the final day to see Australia defeat India by 184 runs was also a record crowd for day five of a Test in Australia.

Across the Test 13,486 patrons took a free Shane Warne Legacy Health check.

Television viewership records also fell with Foxtel and Channel 7 both achieving their highest rating days of Test cricket since acquiring the rights. Boxing Day itself saw an average of 2.2 million viewers across both broadcaster platforms.

Channel 7’s average audience across the first four days was 1.3m with a reach of seven million nationally across Seven and 7plus Sport.

Cricket Australia’s digital platforms also had a record 3.2m sessions across cricket.com.au and the CA Live app yesterday (Day 4 of the Test) and had 402 million video views on social media channels across the first four days of the Test.

The series now heads to the deciding Test in Sydney with Australia holding a 2-1 lead.

Cricket Australia CEO Nick Hockley said: "We knew there would be enormous interest in the NRMA Insurance Border Gavaskar Trophy series, but the record attendances and huge viewing figures have exceeded all expectations.

"To smash the record for greatest total attendance at any Test match played in Australia is a colossal achievement for everyone involved and the festive atmosphere at the MCG was an unforgettable experience.

"Not only has this series demonstrated Australia's enduring love for our national sport, it has shown the game's wonderful ability to bring people together.

"Thank you to all the players, match officials and fans from both teams for creating such a momentous occasion."
 
Gotta be honest, India Australia series is more competitive. Especially in Australia, England just go to get walked over by the Australian side. I think Australian fans would love to win a hard fought battle rather than get victory handed over to them on a platter , so Indian team provide more entertaining contests than the English side..
 
boomboomcheema said:
Gotta be honest, India Australia series is more competitive. Especially in Australia, England just go to get walked over by the Australian side. I think Australian fans would love to win a hard fought battle rather than get victory handed over to them on a platter , so Indian team provide more entertaining contests than the English side..
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Naa. Australian fans love how indians find ways to make a mockery of themselves.

They all come over hyping themselves up, and have made Bumrah this mystical creature that he will over turn the wicket. And than followed by Indians being wannabe gangster where kohli crying about pics, jadeja not being able to speak English.

So its always fun beating the crap out of someone that walks in like an idiot.

And now look, the whole country is crying due to hindi commentary said that even though it shows it was out, but the loophole in the technology didnt go in our favor.

Like the whole whining is not about a wrong decision, but its about that why an out decision didnt get labelled as not out so that india could had won..

Other sides like England, they act civil compare to these guys.

So anyone would enjoy a monkey act crazy because that is entertainment.
 
Let me be very clear and logical:

Ashes: A quality series that gets hype due to its rich history and exceptional performances.

BGT: Gains hype primarily through media exaggeration, with little quality in performances often creating issues out of small incidents just to boost viewership.

That's all
 
FearlessRoar said:
Let me be very clear and logical:

Ashes: A quality series that gets hype due to its rich history and exceptional performances.

BGT: Gains hype primarily through media exaggeration, with little quality in performances often creating issues out of small incidents just to boost viewership.

That's all
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Hmm "little quality in performance"..

I am really interested to know which other Test series qualifies as a "higher quality in performance" than the BGT played between no.1 and no.2 teams in the world. The Babar-Muzarabani Trophy in Harare perhaps..
 
Mesozoic said:
Hmm "little quality in performance"..

I am really interested to know which other Test series qualifies as a "higher quality in performance" than the BGT played between no.1 and no.2 teams in the world. The Babar-Muzarabani Trophy in Harare perhaps..
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No, the Lord Ashok Dinda Trophy.
 
FearlessRoar said:
Let me be very clear and logical:

Ashes: A quality series that gets hype due to its rich history and exceptional performances.

BGT: Gains hype primarily through media exaggeration, with little quality in performances often creating issues out of small incidents just to boost viewership.

That's all
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U r correct.Little quality performance by aus as they are not Trophy holders since a decade. :babar
 
Vikram1989 said:
U r correct.Little quality performance by aus as they are not Trophy holders since a decade. :babar
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I think there is an insecurity that India vs Pakistan contests get undermined indirectly because of this rivalry. That is why these fans suddenly Ashes fans. Fact is BGT has been popular for more than 20 years. It is not something new. Because both teams had some world class players. World class rivalry even when Australia was top dog. Controversies. World class performances. Also there is a little fact that Pakistan has been the worst touring side to Australia over the last 20 yeasr. That complex is also there. I can understand where they are coming from.
 
FearlessRoar said:
Let’s talk about it after the Sydney Test.
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Even then u should back it up for a decade of low quality performance by aus in bgt and ashes.if u know , aus have not won anything against eng past 20 years in eng .they bullied eng at home and lost to ind at home time twice.so do u think aus is the worst performing team in bgt and causing the low quality for ur entertainment?
 
jnaveen1980 said:
I think there is an insecurity that India vs Pakistan contests get undermined indirectly because of this rivalry. That is why these fans suddenly Ashes fans. Fact is BGT has been popular for more than 20 years. It is not something new. Because both teams had some world class players. World class rivalry even when Australia was top dog. Controversies. World class performances. Also there is a little fact that Pakistan has been the worst touring side to Australia over the last 20 yeasr. That complex is also there. I can understand where they are coming from.
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Every aus commentator's acceptance and crowds / audience smashing the records fuelled the bigotry more
 
jnaveen1980 said:
I think there is an insecurity that India vs Pakistan contests get undermined indirectly because of this rivalry. That is why these fans suddenly Ashes fans. Fact is BGT has been popular for more than 20 years. It is not something new. Because both teams had some world class players. World class rivalry even when Australia was top dog. Controversies. World class performances. Also there is a little fact that Pakistan has been the worst touring side to Australia over the last 20 yeasr. That complex is also there. I can understand where they are coming from.
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This is the insecurity that every Pakistani has and not just in cricket - that India leaves them behind and becomes a successful nation (not just cricket) while they remain mired in their troubles.

Cricket is a symptom of that.

Understandable. It's human nature. If the kid you grew up with became a rich successful man and you are still struggling with life, it will hurt.
 
All said and done, what a series. There is drama, action and pure emotion. Easily one of the best cricket series in the world.

Joke is on people who says WTC finals is bigger than BGT or Ashes.
 
FearlessRoar said:
Let me be very clear and logical:

Ashes: A quality series that gets hype due to its rich history and exceptional performances.

BGT: Gains hype primarily through media exaggeration, with little quality in performances often creating issues out of small incidents just to boost viewership.

That's all
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Both Bharat and Australianare ranked higher than England and have reached WTC finals which England havent.

How do you define quality then.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Also there is a little fact that Pakistan has been the worst touring side to Australia over the last 20 yeasr. That complex is also there. I can understand where they are coming from.
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25 years to be precise. Has not even been able to draw a single Test. 100% loss record since 1999.
 
This is a classic test series without a doubt. @Rajdeep Bhai was right I should have stayed up to watch it and slept in morning instead :(
 
Not sure why Pakistanis are so affected by the BGT.

The Ashes is like an India-Pak series. It might be your traditional rival, but it tends to be one-sided (even if Ind-Pak haven't played for a while now). And when there is finally one great series, it is talked about for ages like the 2005 Ashes. When in fact, the 2001 BGT win by India featured ATG memories.

Indians should accept that we love playing Australia, but that Pakistan will always be our traditional rival and that random nobodies would watch an Ind-Pak series along with cricket fans.

And Pakistanis should stop being defensive and accept that for Indian cricket fans, BGT is the one to look forward to the most. And judging by the crowds (even if you discount the Indian fans), looks like even Aus cricket fans value this series. We are talking record numbers not seen since Bradman, and on occasion, even breaking them.
 
Devadwal said:
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Hitman said:
The series where the great Glenn McGrath injured himself in the first Test?
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Yep. But the Great Shane warne, Ponting , Hayden Gilchrist, Langer were still part of the GREAT Australian team.

And the Great Glenn McGrath was back for the Fifth Test.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
Yep. But the Great Shane warne, Ponting , Hayden Gilchrist, Langer were still part of the GREAT Australian team.

And the Great Glenn McGrath was back for the Fifth Test.
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All of them + Both Waughs, Slater and Gillespie were present in the 2001 Series in India.

You can slice it and dice it any which way but BGT is the far and way a much much better series than the Ashes since the BGT was formed 28 yrs ago.
 
This is the greatest test series of all times. Whatever the outcome Team India and BCCI can be proud of the achievement of Indian cricket in Australia.

We also respect Ashes as a notable and historic test series and should not belittle any series between two boards especially historic series like Ashes.
 
uppercut said:
All of them + Both Waughs, Slater and Gillespie were present in the 2001 Series in India.

You can slice it and dice it any which way but BGT is the far and way a much much better series than the Ashes since the BGT was formed 28 yrs ago.
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Not for me. I was there at the Old Trafford Trafford and Edgbaston Test matches during that 05 series. The whole world was gripped by the quality.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
Not for me. I was there at the Old Trafford Trafford and Edgbaston Test matches during that 05 series. The whole world was gripped by the quality.
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www.espncricinfo.com

IND vs AUS Cricket Scorecard, 2nd Test at Kolkata, March 11 - 15, 2001

Get cricket scorecard of 2nd Test, IND vs AUS, Australia tour of India 2000/01 at Eden Gardens, Kolkata dated March 11 - 15, 2001.
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Thats because you have absolutely no idea what it takes to overcome a 1st inngs deficit of 274 runs and then go on to win by a margin of 171 runs thats just impossible !!

I mean look at the aussie team that was involved.

link: https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...ia-vs-australia-2nd-test-63920/full-scorecard

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uppercut said:
www.espncricinfo.com

IND vs AUS Cricket Scorecard, 2nd Test at Kolkata, March 11 - 15, 2001

Get cricket scorecard of 2nd Test, IND vs AUS, Australia tour of India 2000/01 at Eden Gardens, Kolkata dated March 11 - 15, 2001.
www.espncricinfo.com www.espncricinfo.com



Thats because you have absolutely no idea what it takes to overcome a 1st inngs deficit of 274 runs and then go on to win by a margin of 171 runs thats just impossible !!

I mean look at the aussie team that was involved.

link: https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...ia-vs-australia-2nd-test-63920/full-scorecard

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05 for me any day lol. It's the best series I've ever seen.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
05 for me any day lol. It's the best series I've ever seen.
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I have seen both and there is simply no comparison both those series in terms of sheer quality. Just a simple score card glance will tell you that. And dont forget that Warne was playing on very very spinner friendly wkt in India where as McGrath was out of commision on a seamer friendly wkt.

so there cannot be a much more lopsided and ridiculous comparison between 2001 vs 2005( atleast from a pure cricketing perspectivE)
 
uppercut said:
I have seen both and there is simply no comparison both those series in terms of sheer quality. Just a simple score card glance will tell you that. And dont forget that Warne was playing on very very spinner friendly wkt in India where as McGrath was out of commision on a seamer friendly wkt.

so there cannot be a much more lopsided and ridiculous comparison between 2001 vs 2005( atleast from a pure cricketing perspectivE)
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The theatrics attached to the 05 series as well for me made it the GOAT series.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
The theatrics attached to the 05 series as well for me made it the GOAT series.
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not interested in the theatrics ... talk to me if YOU TRULY know your Test Cricket.


There is Nothing like the 2001 BGT which is the cornerstone of Ind-vs-Aus Test Series ( well technically there is the 1986 Tied test but you get the drift !! )
 
Bigger, who cares?

Better? BGT by a big margin?

I rarely watch last test in Ashes in Aus. I have watched lots of last tests in BGT in Aus and Ind both.

Hope next Ashes in Aus make us watch the last test and it's not one way street.
 
atreus said:
Ashes in England > BGT in Australia > BGT in India >>> Ashes in Australia
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Bold part is a huge problem because that's half of Ashes.

I think next go will be better. Eng has bowlers this time to do well in Aus and Aus pacers are on their last leg. It will be a good series, at least I hope so.
 
This BGT is a terrific advertisement for test cricket. Excellent cricket by both sides.
Yes, the Ashes and the BGT are the best test series out there. None other comes even close.
 
Buffet said:
Bold part is a huge problem because that's half of Ashes.

I think next go will be better. Eng has bowlers this time to do well in Aus and Aus pacers are on their last leg. It will be a good series, at least I hope so.
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True

Next series won't be flat like 2002-2019 Australia where it's just a contest of who has more Flat track beasts, English batting looks the best it has looked since 2012-2013 (still some top order issues, but Bethall and Duckett seem good)
as long as England doesn't mindlessly take fodder like Chris Woakes, Jack Leach or Shoaib Bashir to Australia we should be in for a good series.
 
uppercut said:
not interested in the theatrics ... talk to me if YOU TRULY know your Test Cricket.


There is Nothing like the 2001 BGT which is the cornerstone of Ind-vs-Aus Test Series ( well technically there is the 1986 Tied test but you get the drift !! )
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Well I've given my opinion, FOR ME, Ashes 05 is the best series I've ever seen, if you can't fathom that then I can't help you.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
Well I've given my opinion, FOR ME, Ashes 05 is the best series I've ever seen, if you can't fathom that then I can't help you.
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For me too. The build up, the match atmospheres, the aftermath. I think it was the first time cricket in the UK had such attention. It was absolutely incredible.

But I understand an Indian they will have had a different experience with their test series win against Australia.

What the hell is it worth them arguing so much about :ROFLMAO:
 
Buffet said:
Bold part is a huge problem because that's half of Ashes.

I think next go will be better. Eng has bowlers this time to do well in Aus and Aus pacers are on their last leg. It will be a good series, at least I hope so.
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It will be the MOTHER OF ALL SERIES, the next Ashes battle.
 
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