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Which series is bigger: The Ashes or the Border-Gavaskar trophy?

Which series is bigger?

  • The Ashes

    Votes: 25 52.1%

  • Border-Gavaskar Trophy

    Votes: 23 47.9%
  • Total voters
    48
emranabbas said:
It's going to be, it obvious. Indians have a Hugh population compared to England where cricket isn't even a main sport.
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Pakistan/Bangladesh have more population as well compared to England.


Boxing day test 2023/24 Pakistan vs 2024/25 India. India broke the record 6 day attendance from 1937.

Pak(2023)India(2024)
Day 16216787242
Day 24483785147
Day 33980283073
Day 41802943867
Day 551371
 
embarrassing stuff for the indians and sunil gavaskar nobody have 2 hoots about the actual sunil gavaskar and nor do they do about the actual series they just look at it as competitive cricket


www.dailymail.co.uk

Sunil Gavaskar 'perplexed' by snub after Australia claim series win

Bizarrely, Gavaskar, whose name is even on the trophy, was not involved in the presentation on Sunday afternoon at the Sydney Cricket Ground.
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Those numbers don't prove anything.

Cricket over here in Australia is on pay TV on Foxtel (which is ad free) and on free to air TV (which has ad breaks). All those numbers are telling is it's a record for Foxtel the pay TV company which only started showing Australian summer cricket season back in 2018.
 
The ideal series for competitiveness is probably the Ashes in England. Most of these series going all the way back to 1997 have been crackers.

English conditions for playing cricket typically are quite equalising. In England, Australia have won 52 Ashes Tests, England have won 54 Ashes Tests, and there were 67 Draws.

That’s about as perfect a competitive split of results as you’ll find for any rivalry in any sport.
 
Ice Man said:
With the amount of Indian migrants residing in each of the cities here, you'd expect just about every Indian game played here to basically feel like it's their home game.
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Yeah fr, they dont realise that Australia isnt filled with Australians only.

700,000 Indians, 100,000 Pakistani, 1.3M Chinese, 2.4 M irish, infact

Their are only 29% Australians in Australia out of 26M. The rest are all multi cultural.

In comparison over 95% of Indians in India are indian.

Furthermore cricket is a high class sport in india, infact its their only sport while cricket isnt Australia's priority.

Its why the records keep getting broken because Indians cant stop procreating and migrating.
 
mominsaigol said:
Yeah fr, they dont realise that Australia isnt filled with Australians only.

700,000 Indians, 100,000 Pakistani, 1.3M Chinese, 2.4 M irish, infact

Their are only 29% Australians in Australia out of 26M. The rest are all multi cultural.

In comparison over 95% of Indians in India are indian.

Furthermore cricket is a high class sport in india, infact its their only sport while cricket isnt Australia's priority.

Its why the records keep getting broken because Indians cant stop procreating and migrating.
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Very true, mate.

Tbh, I don't take anything that particular poster says seriously. He started writing love letters to Cummins over something he made up in his own head. 😂

Wait till he finds out Cummins has recently said that Ashes is bigger than BGT.
 
Ice Man said:
Ashes ticket frenzy smashes sales records:

www.cricket.com.au

Ashes fever hits as Boxing Day tickets snapped up in record time | cricket.com.au

Eight days of cricket across Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide already sold out of pre-sale...
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Ashes ticket frenzy smashes sales record | cricket.com.au

More than 220,000 tickets already sold on opening day of pre-sale to obliterate previous record
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It was really poor from acb to allow all the fans ( india, eng) for each venue for entire summer at once.unless some idiot wants to test the software nobody does it.They have created a virtual queue from 1.30pm for 3pm ticket window for scg summer tickets ( India odi and ashes) . almost 100k were in queue by 2.30 pm .for every 5 mnts, 1500 to 2000 will drop from the queue and they made fools of who joined earlier or late .
 
Vikram1989 said:
It was really poor from acb to allow all the fans ( india, eng) for each venue for entire summer at once.unless some idiot wants to test the software nobody does it.They have created a virtual queue from 1.30pm for 3pm ticket window for scg summer tickets ( India odi and ashes) . almost 100k were in queue by 2.30 pm .for every 5 mnts, 1500 to 2000 will drop from the queue and they made fools of who joined earlier or late .
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There were also ticket code issues over here in Perth that prevented fans from purchasing tickets. Was a massive screw up by Ticketmaster/Cricket Australia.
 
If Germany played cricket from early 20th century than Eng will considered them as their biggest rival over Aus
 
BGT is great but as you will see over the next couple of months, Ashes is on a different level.

Indian commentators take away much of the pleasure.
 
Ashes is definitely bigger and this has nothing to do with how many people come to the stadium to watch the games or the competitiveness of the games. There is a historical significance associated with the Ashes - a nearly 150 old history. Much like India-Pakistan matches being watched regardless of competitiveness or results; here due to political history.
 
After a day where 19 wickets fell, Starc took 7-for, Archer and Carse ripped through Australia, and Stokes claimed five, it’s clear that while the Border–Gavaskar Trophy has its highs, the Ashes stands on its own.
The best thing to ever happen to cricket!!!
 
Celtic-Rangers or Old firm is older than El Classico and Derby della Madonnina.Yet except few people nobody care about this Scottish derby.It doesn't have same quality as Barca-Real or Milan-Inter.Ashes fans can get away with saying one has tradition and history behind it but noway people will accept Old Firm is ahead of any Serie A derby because these 2 clubs rivalry brutality predate them and has more history behind them.
 
Fanboy375 said:
Celtic-Rangers or Old firm is older than El Classico and Derby della Madonnina.Yet except few people nobody care about this Scottish derby.It doesn't have same quality as Barca-Real or Milan-Inter.Ashes fans can get away with saying one has tradition and history behind it but noway people will accept Old Firm is ahead of any Serie A derby because these 2 clubs rivalry brutality predate them and has more history behind them.
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Where are you based?
 
This is a silly question.The Ashes is the biggest series in cricket.No other series comes close to it.End of debate.
 
Surely Bangladesh - Lanka tets series can produce more quality cricket than this rubbish ashes in Australian conditions.

England simply surrendered there .

:klopp :kp
 
aboveandbeyond said:
Silly thread. Ashes has a 100+ years of decorated history.

Please stop the delusional nonsense!
Lol 😆
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That is a Pakistani perspective...so obviously you have bias.

Ashes has more history for sure. Also, the fact that Brits and Aussies are same caucasian people, fan banter is more.

However, purely as a cricket BGT is much better. Infact both Ind v Aus and Ind v Eng is a better test series than Aus v Eng.
 
Cricket quality has nothing to do with history. Yes ,Ashes is one the greatest rivalry but quality of cricket in BGT series is far better than Ashes. #Fact

:kp
 
Rivalries are good for cricket

Current active rivalries are


Srilanka vs Bangladesh
Afghanistan vs Pakistan
Australia vs England
SA vs Windies.
 
Rajdeep said:
That is a Pakistani perspective...so obviously you have bias.

Ashes has more history for sure. Also, the fact that Brits and Aussies are same caucasian people, fan banter is more.

However, purely as a cricket BGT is much better. Infact both Ind v Aus and Ind v Eng is a better test series than Aus v Eng.
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That is your subjective opinion.England and have fielded great teams throughout Ashes history.People still talk about body line series .They play competitive cricket.India only played a couple of competitive series against Australia in Australia.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Rivalries are good for cricket

Current active rivalries are


Srilanka vs Bangladesh
Afghanistan vs Pakistan
Australia vs England
SA vs Windies.
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There is no rivalry between Afghanistan and Pakistan.The matches between the sides are played in bad taste due to politics.Afghans blame everything on Pakistan.I am glad Pakistan has closed the borders with Afghanistan and is deporting Afghans. They can’t blame Pakistan for their infighting.
 
Rajdeep said:
That is a Pakistani perspective...so obviously you have bias.

Ashes has more history for sure. Also, the fact that Brits and Aussies are same caucasian people, fan banter is more.

However, purely as a cricket BGT is much better. Infact both Ind v Aus and Ind v Eng is a better test series than Aus v Eng.
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I have no bias Rajdeep. I have strong Affiliation with English as a mix raced Person. Team England ive always supported, not Pakistan.
 
Steven Smith said, “Nathan Lyon was in the mind as well to open, but we allowed Travis to open”.

These guys don’t take england one bit seriously 🤣

:kp
 
Fenrir said:
There is no rivalry between Afghanistan and Pakistan.The matches between the sides are played in bad taste due to politics.Afghans blame everything on Pakistan.I am glad Pakistan has closed the borders with Afghanistan and is deporting Afghans. They can’t blame Pakistan for their infighting.
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BUt i definitely see a lot of heat and passion when they meet each other. Both among fans and players.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
Ashes series is the ultimate for any serious England fan. No other series comes close.
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Nobody said there is an India England rivalry. It never existed. Never will. ENgland is always viewed as a mediocre team. West Indies in the 80s then Australia and South Africa next. Australia has way more respect than England. That is never going to change. England is just a wanna be "superstar" team.
 
As an indian, India going head to head against Aus since 2000's is fascinating and defo one of the biggest ticket items on the cricketing calender. The qualityof skills and the intensity is fantastic.

But for sheer history and weitage over last 150 years or so, i would think for an Australian and for an English supporter, leave alone the competitiveness or matching of skills - they would taking defeating the opposition and winning the Ashes over winning over India 10/10 times.

Lets Be honest my fellow Indian fans - When we take the field, we are one of the top cricketing viewing spectacles for sure...but not the top most.

And our relative skill level or fantastic win record has lesser to do with this, than we think.
 
Ashes has a long history... Decades and decades...

BGT is a relatively new thing, but it has been competitive
 
BouncerGuy said:
Ashes has a long history... Decades and decades...

BGT is a relatively new thing, but it has been competitive
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Celtic-Rangers or Old firm has more history than El Classico or Milan-Inter but outside of few in UK nobody cares about Old firm.
Also post WW1 to 1970 is where Aus won almost twice the match Eng won.in 19th century Eng dominanted.early 20th century is where Aus and Eng were evenly matched.post WW1 to 60s for a half a century Australia were favorite.in 70s Aus and Eng once again became even.80s is where Eng dominanted.post 90s is where Australia once again supreme.If there is a 100 year old grandpa who is fan of cricket than he will have bigger memory of Australia having edge with few memory of England being in front foot.
 
England cricketers need to start winning/drawing matches to restart the cricketing part of the Ashes rivalry.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Nobody said there is an India England rivalry. It never existed. Never will. ENgland is always viewed as a mediocre team. West Indies in the 80s then Australia and South Africa next. Australia has way more respect than England. That is never going to change. England is just a wanna be "superstar" team.
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I'd pay more attention to team indias recent performances regarding Test Cricket. Not exactly setting the world on fire are they!
 
It's a shame England got out we could have had two high quality test matches today.

Ashes and Bavuma-Tendulkar Trophy on the go at the same time would have been box office for a Sunday morning.
 
So comparing Rising Stars Asia Cup with other multi-nations tournaments wasn't right but comparing BGT with Ashes makes sense? It's hypocrisy :ifticool
 
Ball Blazer said:
So comparing Rising Stars Asia Cup with other multi-nations tournaments wasn't right but comparing BGT with Ashes makes sense? It's hypocrisy :ifticool
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BGT is not played between India A vs Australia A .lol

One is international prestigious series another is just random Non international Tournament 😂😂😂

Atleast logic to use kar kar Bhai .

:klopp :kp
 
Really depends on how you define bigger.

If you’re talking about eyeballs, of course any series involving India would be bigger given the size of population.

If you are defining in terms of quality of cricket, I think Border-Gavaskar takes it on that too.

now, if you are defining in terms of history, context and what it means to the players… Ashes is much bigger. You can just tell how much the Aussies want to win the ashes just by the way they speak about it and approach it. They do not feel the same way about any other series.
 
When England play in Australia, there's no contest. Here, they simply surrender.

It's no surprise that the quality of cricket in the BGT series is far superior to the overhyped Ashes.

:klopp :kp
 
Please reduce to Ashes in australia with 3 match series. What a boring one sided contest we have witnessed since 2011.

:klopp :kp
 
Australia in Ashes at home since 2013

Won, Won, Won, Won, Won, Won, Won, Won, Draw, Won, Won, Won, Won, Draw, Won, Won, Won

Australia in BGT at home since 2013

Won, Won, Draw, Draw, Lost, Won, Lost, Draw, Won, Lost, Draw, Lost, Lost, Won, Draw, Won, Won

BGT is easily the most competitive series. The Ashes is becoming so predictable, especially in Australia. Hopefully England can do something about that.

:kp
 
Devadwal said:
Australia in Ashes at home since 2013

Won, Won, Won, Won, Won, Won, Won, Won, Draw, Won, Won, Won, Won, Draw, Won, Won, Won


:kp
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One draw at Sydney was due to rain .one day got called off and last wicket hold aus for 30 or 40 mnts.
 
Last BGT had better cricket. If Bumrah hadn't been injured India could have levelled. It was exciting cricket throughout, with some good sub-plots and mini battles.

England have failed to put on a show once again in this Ashes.

BUT that actually shows why it is a strong rivalry.

Lets be honest, if BGT stopped being competitive, both sides would lose interest quickly, the series would over time get cut down to less matches.

However, despite the lack of competition in the away Ashes in particular, both sides are still hyping it up, fans still flock to the ground, and it stands the test of time.

You can argue there are parallels with India and Pakistan in recent times. Very much mismatched, but we all still remain glued to it.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Last BGT had better cricket. If Bumrah hadn't been injured India could have levelled. It was exciting cricket throughout, with some good sub-plots and mini battles.

England have failed to put on a show once again in this Ashes.

BUT that actually shows why it is a strong rivalry.

Lets be honest, if BGT stopped being competitive, both sides would lose interest quickly, the series would over time get cut down to less matches.

However, despite the lack of competition in the away Ashes in particular, both sides are still hyping it up, fans still flock to the ground, and it stands the test of time.

You can argue there are parallels with India and Pakistan in recent times. Very much mismatched, but we all still remain glued to it.
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Calling the Ashes in Australia a 'contest' is the biggest marketing scam in sports. It's basically a 5-match victory lap for the Aussies every single time.

#FarkHai

:kp
 
By the time Boxing Day test starts, Ashes series result may already be decided. So basically two most important tests in Aussie cricket calendar - Boxing Test (MCG) and New Year test (SCG) can now become dead rubbers. Now compare it with last 3 BGTs when India toured. The difference is startling.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Last BGT had better cricket. If Bumrah hadn't been injured India could have levelled. It was exciting cricket throughout, with some good sub-plots and mini battles.

England have failed to put on a show once again in this Ashes.

BUT that actually shows why it is a strong rivalry.

Lets be honest, if BGT stopped being competitive, both sides would lose interest quickly, the series would over time get cut down to less matches.

However, despite the lack of competition in the away Ashes in particular, both sides are still hyping it up, fans still flock to the ground, and it stands the test of time.

You can argue there are parallels with India and Pakistan in recent times. Very much mismatched, but we all still remain glued to it.
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Its difficult for non Aussis to understand this why Australians have no problem thrashing England 5-0. They just love seeing the Poms humiliated. In the last 15 years Australia lost 3 times to South Africa & 2 times to India but when they lost to England in 2011 - it was like a calamity has befallen on their nation

Its same for India vs Pakistan. Indian fans can never get tired of winning one sided matches - despite all this " rivalry is dead " rhetoric

Frank Worrel series was elite in the 80s & 90s but once West Indies fell apart as a team - the trophy lost its significance

But Ashes will never go that way
 
In terms of history, emotion, background,legacy - for every English fan or Aussie - Ashes reigns supreme - no doubting this.
I would imagine a lot of Eng or Aussies would take an Ashes win especially on opposition territory over a WC win.

But nowadays in terms of skills, intensity, competion no doubting that BGT is right up there. Before we get caught up in the whole jingoistic nationalistic rhetoric - Rameez Rambo himself said in the 80's - that winning against India was good for the emotions but winning against the Windies, the premier teams of his era was the top shelf, the biggest achievement....
and i feel he was right and the similarity is seen in today's scenario with the Ashes and BGT - both have their pedestals and the importance and other trimmings that go with this territory.
 
Rajdeep said:
By the time Boxing Day test starts, Ashes series result may already be decided. So basically two most important tests in Aussie cricket calendar - Boxing Test (MCG) and New Year test (SCG) can now become dead rubbers. Now compare it with last 3 BGTs when India toured. The difference is startling.
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You can’t base your opinion on last 3 BGT tests.Ashes is the oldest rivalry.It is a special series for English and Australian players and supporters as well as most neutrals except Indians.It is understandable the Indians want BGT to be recognised as bigger than Ashes
 
sports is essentially a facet of culture, thus nations which share cultural similarities share sporting rivalries despite the quality of the contest. this is why local derbies are so important in football, why local punch ups in boxing create so much drama, etc. it doesnt matter how the results go, india v pak and the ashes will always be the most important contests for the respective natons.

an aussie cant rib and mock indians how they can poms, indians would throw a hissy fit at the slightest ribbing. cultural similarties are very important, indians cricket fans are the most hyper-senstiive sports fans in the world, they are fundamentally incompatible with aussie sporting culture, and this is why the rivalry will always be limited to the quality of competition, whereas that doesnt matter in the ashes of the pak india rivalry.
 
In terms of hype Ashes is definitey the best going around as it gives opportunity for Australians throw choice words at Nasser Hussain, Athers outside the stadium. :ROFLMAO:
 
ElRaja said:
sports is essentially a facet of culture, thus nations which share cultural similarities share sporting rivalries despite the quality of the contest. this is why local derbies are so important in football, why local punch ups in boxing create so much drama, etc. it doesnt matter how the results go, india v pak and the ashes will always be the most important contests for the respective natons.

an aussie cant rib and mock indians how they can poms, indians would throw a hissy fit at the slightest ribbing. cultural similarties are very important, indians cricket fans are the most hyper-senstiive sports fans in the world, they are fundamentally incompatible with aussie sporting culture, and this is why the rivalry will always be limited to the quality of competition, whereas that doesnt matter in the ashes of the pak india rivalry.
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You have not obviously watched India vs Austrlaian matches. Australians sledge everybody that understands English. Most recently Australian media trolled Kohli for him sledging Konstas. Pakistan culture may not be compatible. India and Austrlaia have been at each others throat for more than 25 years. Since the days of Mcgrath vs Tendulkar. Tendulkar evne said eff word to Mcgrath when he sledged him.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
You have not obviously watched India vs Austrlaian matches. Australians sledge everybody that understands English. Most recently Australian media trolled Kohli for him sledging Konstas. Pakistan culture may not be compatible. India and Austrlaia have been at each others throat for more than 25 years. Since the days of Mcgrath vs Tendulkar. Tendulkar evne said eff word to Mcgrath when he sledged him.
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You're trying too hard bro, it's not that deep if Aus V India rivalry isn't as deep as the Ashes.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
You have not obviously watched India vs Austrlaian matches. Australians sledge everybody that understands English. Most recently Australian media trolled Kohli for him sledging Konstas. Pakistan culture may not be compatible. India and Austrlaia have been at each others throat for more than 25 years. Since the days of Mcgrath vs Tendulkar. Tendulkar evne said eff word to Mcgrath when he sledged him.
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im not talking about the players, im talking about the cultural similarity of the fans, are you saying the average indian fan is culturally closer to aussie fans than aussies are to the english?

indian fans, in my experience, are the most culturally removed from every other team, ive never come across a group of supporters who feel entitled to other fans acknowledging their cricketers as much as indians do. ive watched cricket with english, aussie, saffer, kiwis, etc, indian fans are the only ones who cannot hold a conversation about cricket without comparing someone to kohli, dhoni or tendu.

also swearing at people does not imply cultural closeness, the ability to rib and take the mick without having to resort to that does.
 
ElRaja said:
sports is essentially a facet of culture, thus nations which share cultural similarities share sporting rivalries despite the quality of the contest. this is why local derbies are so important in football, why local punch ups in boxing create so much drama, etc. it doesnt matter how the results go, india v pak and the ashes will always be the most important contests for the respective natons.

an aussie cant rib and mock indians how they can poms, indians would throw a hissy fit at the slightest ribbing. cultural similarties are very important, indians cricket fans are the most hyper-senstiive sports fans in the world, they are fundamentally incompatible with aussie sporting culture, and this is why the rivalry will always be limited to the quality of competition, whereas that doesnt matter in the ashes of the pak india rivalry.
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Indians have got no nuance whether fans or players.

When it came to Aussies they escalated way to quickly and dished out racist comments to Symonds and then committed perjury to get our of it.

And off the field they threatened recently to rape Maxwell's kid.

Weird bunch.

When it comes to rivalry in cricket the main rival or India is decency. They have been going head to head with decency and ethics for a long time in cricket and often come up trumps, much to the detriment of the rest of us.
 
Ashes and PakvsInd are the two best cricket series. SAvsAus in tests would be the third.
 
Ashes is a great historical rivalry, not the best cricket game though as it is ridiculously one sided. India vs Australia and South Africa vs Australia produces much better cricket series.
 
Fenrir said:
You can’t base your opinion on last 3 BGT tests.Ashes is the oldest rivalry.It is a special series for English and Australian players and supporters as well as most neutrals except Indians.It is understandable the Indians want BGT to be recognised as bigger than Ashes
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Off course Ashes is the oldest and most storied rivalry - no doubting that.
I can speak for a lot of indians who recognize the BGT has its own place.

Wheather that is above the Ashes, below it, equal to it that question has lot of nationalistic, region based, jingoism, rhetoric , one upmanship attached to it.

BGT is gathering its own legacy, its own history, its own internal rivalries, its own small battles amongs the big wars, its own narrative.

The ashes has all of the above + more.


If it pleases anyone, As an Indian am happy to admit for an Aussie or English fan the Ashes is the most important ticket on the calender and higher than the BGT or the Anderson-Tendulkar trophy.
:ifticool (by the way - this is my fav e moticon for now :) - Sir IfteKhar rox!
 
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