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Which team has the most stable middle order?

Bangladesh
NZ
England

Stability-wise In that order. reverse it If you are looking for strongest/most explosive middle order.
 
England

You got Root, Morgan, Buttler, and Bairstow, all of whom are capable of both steadying the ship after a collapse and piling on runs
 
Hyperion66 said:
Bangladesh
NZ
England

Stability-wise In that order. reverse it If you are looking for strongest/most explosive middle order.
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Bangladesh :))

Lol in which world do they have the most stable middle order?

NZ, England and India are far more solid in this aspect.
 
Have been saying this for a long time that Bangladesh has the most solid and reliable middle order in odis. Shakib, Sabbir, Mahmudullah, Mushi etc are more than reliable. Yes , England has fire power all through their middle order, but their tendency to implode at times ingnites suspicion.
New Zealand are a close second.
 
England.

Bangladesh.

Most of the other teams r top heavy. Bangladesh will become unstoppable in odis if it can find out two good openers and one more pacer. The strength of their middle order is superb.
 
England and actually NZ too. They've been weak this series but Taylor, Latham, Nichols is a good lineup with AR to come after.

I see BD's name popping up and it's not false. They have a very good middle order. Their middle order is in top 5
 
England and NZ. I like what NZ have done with their order. Williamson,Taylor,and Latham all capable of adjusting their game according to the situation.
 
India have solid middle order in Kholi, Rayudu, Dhoni, Jadhav, and Pandya.

England is also good.

In the World Cup, batting will separate the elite from the rest as pitches will be very flat and middle order stability will be very important I think.
 
BDfanforever said:
India have solid middle order in Kholi, Rayudu, Dhoni, Jadhav, and Pandya.

England is also good.

In the World Cup, batting will separate the elite from the rest as pitches will be very flat and middle order stability will be very important I think.
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Kohli isn't in the middle order. He's in the top order.
 
Pakistan is a very underrated side - much better than how fans react here on this forum. Lots of emerging talents across all sort of skills plus the old school experience of a Malik or Hafeez (both in batting and bowling).

If they peak at the right time, it will be really exciting. I have supported India but nowadays I want good cricket more than a side's victory. And I wish that Bangladesh, West Indies and Afghanistan also trade in a punch or two on more established opponents. But they may not be able to go through in a round robin league where the depth of the team comes through. Can't be too hopeful about this Sri Lankan side though.
 
Justcrazy said:
India and England batting are top notch. There is no doubt about that.
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In what world does India have a good middle order which consists of old man Dhoni, fat boy. Jhadhav and a hack like karthik/ rayadu who’s well past their prime. It’s England first followed by Bangladesh and then Nz. India is a close fourth.
 
topspin said:
Bangladesh :))

Lol in which world do they have the most stable middle order?

NZ, England and India are far more solid in this aspect.
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they did well in the asia cup against sri lanka and pakistan.

the one time they needed their middle order they went into hiding in the final
 
England by a huge margin. They have a phenomenal and almost scary batting lineup, that's why all the more reason for them to include Anderson in their ODI squad and playing XI.
 
Snak3eye5 said:
In what world does India have a good middle order which consists of old man Dhoni, fat boy. Jhadhav and a hack like karthik/ rayadu who’s well past their prime. It’s England first followed by Bangladesh and then Nz. India is a close fourth.
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That fat boy averaging 46 at 110. Scoring mostly against top teams unlike you know who. Jadhav is one of the most underrated bat going around, and not even considering his bowling which is of immense value to our team.
 
I think, in ODI, the definition is
Top order: 1-2-3
Middle order : 4-5-6
Late middle order: 7-8
Tail: 9-10-Jack.

Most likely the middle orders are

AUS: Smith, SMarsh, Head
IND: ATR, MSD, Jadav
PAK: Hafeez, Malik, Sarfraz (Rizwan)
NZL: Ross, Latham, Nicholls
ENG: Root, Morgan, Stokes
SRL: Mendis, Chandimal, Mathews
WIN: Samuels, Hetmayer, Chase
BD: Mushi, Shakib, Mahmudullah
SAF: JP, Faf, Miller
AFG: Hashmat Shahidi, Asghar, Nabi

Now, let’s start discussion.
 
England ofcourse. You will struggle to field a better middle-order in LOI than Morgan, Root, Stokes, Buttler and Bairstow.
 
i have 1 simple question for so-called cricket experts
how do you measure stability?
 
Chokli said:
they did well in the asia cup against sri lanka and pakistan.

the one time they needed their middle order they went into hiding in the final
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It's solid against spin and one off game against NZ in the CT but it is definitely not the most stable middle order in ODIs - not even close...
 
ENG, NZ, BD, Pak, SA and India in that order by the individual records. But when it comes to performance in the upcoming WC i will predict it will be NZ, Eng, BD, India, Pak and SA
 
MMHS said:
I think, in ODI, the definition is
Top order: 1-2-3
Middle order : 4-5-6
Late middle order: 7-8
Tail: 9-10-Jack.

Most likely the middle orders are

AUS: Smith, SMarsh, Head
IND: ATR, MSD, Jadav
PAK: Hafeez, Malik, Sarfraz (Rizwan)
NZL: Ross, Latham, Nicholls
ENG: Root, Morgan, Stokes
SRL: Mendis, Chandimal, Mathews
WIN: Samuels, Hetmayer, Chase
BD: Mushi, Shakib, Mahmudullah
SAF: JP, Faf, Miller
AFG: Hashmat Shahidi, Asghar, Nabi

Now, let’s start discussion.
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WIN should get rid of Samuels.
Morgan in ENG is a bit overrated I think. The other two are gun. Also, Butler could bat ahead of Stokes. My no.1 middle order
AUS: lots of questions. Will Smith be the same? Marsh is a mental midget. Head is not even in ODI team. It will be Handscomb.
BD: Very experienced and skilled. Not so sure about chasing ability.
SAF: JP is a question mark. Decent middle order.
Pak: Hafeez 2.0 is great. Malik and Sarf are decent in damage control but winning ability is questionable. Malik's sell by date was 5 years ago.
Ind: Can chase down < 270 or 280 scores. Can't help score 350. Very settled and clutch in chasing. That's for Dhoni and Jadav. Rayudu is useless.
 
I learnt something new today.

Apparently all you need in your side is a hack to average 50 at well over run a ball against Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins - possibly the best ODI pace attack in world cricket who could very well go on to establish themselves as ATG ODI pace attack. Not to forget two of these bowlers are WC winners - with Starc awarded as player of the tournament.

But what do I know guys? I'm just a clueless fool.
 
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All please stick to the topic. No personal remarks will be tolerated. This is a topic about which team has the best middle order and is not about which team's opener is better.
 
Lots of fans here are of the opinion that Bangladesh has a very stable batting line up, third best of all the teams. I would like to know how these fans have reached this conclusion. Based on what ?
 
MMHS said:
I think, in ODI, the definition is
Top order: 1-2-3
Middle order : 4-5-6
Late middle order: 7-8
Tail: 9-10-Jack.

Most likely the middle orders are

AUS: Smith, SMarsh, Head
IND: ATR, MSD, Jadav
PAK: Hafeez, Malik, Sarfraz (Rizwan)
NZL: Ross, Latham, Nicholls
ENG: Root, Morgan, Stokes
SRL: Mendis, Chandimal, Mathews
WIN: Samuels, Hetmayer, Chase
BD: Mushi, Shakib, Mahmudullah
SAF: JP, Faf, Miller
AFG: Hashmat Shahidi, Asghar, Nabi

Now, let’s start discussion.
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by looking at these middle orders
its
eng
nzl
aus
ind
saf
pak = bd
 
India has a stable middle order too but it’s not an explosive and clutch middle order which they once had with Yuvraj, Dhoni, Raina in peak form and that is what is hurting Indian fans.

As the average suggest, Rayudu, Jadhav, Dhoni are all capable run scorers in fact average wise India probably has best middle order but it’s not the middle order which could convert a 200/2 in 30 overs start into a 380+ score. Rather they would just take it to 320/5
 
Rohit
Dhawan
Kohli
Rayudu
Dhoni
Jadhav
Pandya
Kuldeep / Shami (depending on pitch)
Bhuvneshwar
Chahal
Bumrah

It will be Rayudu, Dhoni, Jadhav, and Pandya that would be India's middle order. I think it is a pretty good middle order. The lower order may be a bit weak, especially with Chahal and Bumrah being total rabbits.
 
latecut said:
Lots of fans here are of the opinion that Bangladesh has a very stable batting line up, third best of all the teams. I would like to know how these fans have reached this conclusion. Based on what ?
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Some Fans tend to rate players on one off brilliance
BD is being rated here for NZ encounter in CT perhaps
 
I wondered why Bangladesh middle order is considered better than most other middle orders by some fans. Then I realised what is the reason. BD middle order gets to bat longer than the middle orders of higher ranked teams. That is because Bangladesh are typically 2 down for 50 within 15 overs. So the middle order of Bangladesh gets to bat for bulk of the innings.

In case of a higher ranked team, viz say India, their middle order do not get to bat for so many overs. The Indian middle order ocupied the crease typically in the 30th over at a score of 150/2. So Indian middle order gets to bat for less overs and so it looks like they score less runs than Bangladesh middle order.

But does having a a "stable" middle order help ? Not really. If the middle order of a side has to start batting from 15th over onwards, then it means that their top order has failed to lay a strong foundation and so the middle order has to first rescue the innings and then do the bulk of scoring in the innings. If Middle order has to bat from 15 overs onwards then they can at the most reach 270 odd runs if the middle order manage to keep wickets intact.

Indian middle order typically comes in to bat when a strong foundation has already been laid and one out the three top three batsmen (ODI beasts) are still at the crease. So Indian middle order are able to bat in a stress free manner and they are able to build on the foundation. So, despite having "weaker" looking middle order, Indian batting line up ends up scoring around 320 plus, which is about 50 runs more than what Bangladesh, with their "stronger" middle order scores.

The score of 270 odd may win matches against Zimbabwe and Afghanistan, but not against stronger batting line ups , even those containing so called weaker middle order such as India.
 
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RyanRyan10 said:
Some Fans tend to rate players on one off brilliance
BD is being rated here for NZ encounter in CT perhaps
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One swallow doesn't make the whole summer. To my knowledge, BD is a poor LOI team especially outside subcontinent and to rate such team's middle-order second to England is blasphemy.:asad1
 
In last 4 years top 20 batsman , batting position 4-6. Ross Taylor is the best middle order batsman, and England overall has best middle order by some distant followed by RSA, but ABD has retired.

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England has the best middle order followed by bangladesh.
And yes this isn't based on just stats, ambati rayudu averges more than mushi but i will take mushi anyday over him bcoz of his match winning abilities.
Shakib >dk
Mahmudullah ==jadhav but Mahmudullah has more experience and has won ban many matches unlike jadhav.
Bangladesh has proven performers.
Nz has ross taylor but others aren't up to the mark.
 
latecut said:
Lots of fans here are of the opinion that Bangladesh has a very stable batting line up, third best of all the teams. I would like to know how these fans have reached this conclusion. Based on what ?
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Based on the amount of times they have won matches for bd.
Unlike indian middle order batsman they score tough runs and play for the team instead of trying to cement their spot in the team.
 
When it comes to middle order , I think its ENG>NZ>BD>IND and for top order Pak must be in top 3 as Imam , Fakhar and Babar all avg 50+.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
England has the best middle order followed by bangladesh.
And yes this isn't based on just stats, ambati rayudu averges more than mushi but i will take mushi anyday over him bcoz of his match winning abilities.
Shakib >dk
Mahmudullah ==jadhav but Mahmudullah has more experience and has won ban many matches unlike jadhav.
Bangladesh has proven performers.
Nz has ross taylor but others aren't up to the mark.
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The Indian middle order doesn't win many matches because before they bat the top order has already done the job!
 
I don't understand why it is so hard to grasp that BD has an excellent middle order, bar few individual performances here and there their recent competitive nature is almost solely due to the fact that they have 3-4 world class batsmen in the middle. 9 out of 10 times they would be 20/2 in no time from there Mushy and co would lead them to a respectable position more often than not, and they are doing it consistently for over 4 years now. If this is not stabilizing I don't know what is.

I am not saying they have the strongest or most explosive batsmen, all I am saying is they are doing a fine job pulling their team out of a debris consistently for some time irrespective of the end result of the match. That is a fact and should be acknowledged despite what you think of BD overall as team.
 
Hyperion66 said:
I don't understand why it is so hard to grasp that BD has an excellent middle order, bar few individual performances here and there their recent competitive nature is almost solely due to the fact that they have 3-4 world class batsmen in the middle. 9 out of 10 times they would be 20/2 in no time from there Mushy and co would lead them to a respectable position more often than not, and they are doing it consistently for over 4 years now. If this is not stabilizing I don't know what is.

I am not saying they have the strongest or most explosive batsmen, all I am saying is they are doing a fine job pulling their team out of a debris consistently for some time irrespective of the end result of the match. That is a fact and should be acknowledged despite what you think of BD overall as team.
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I found out that this world class middle order batting line up can only win matches against teams ranked number six and below. In the last three years, they have won only four ODIs against top six ODI teams (they lost 13 of these matches).
 
latecut said:
I found out that this world class middle order batting line up can only win matches against teams ranked number six and below. In the last three years, they have won only four ODIs against top six ODI teams (they lost 13 of these matches).
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This is what happens when people watch cricket on cricinfo, BD lost matches because their rest of the XI is a joke. Top teams are too good to not exploit such glaring weaknesses. End result often doesn't tell you the complete story.

I don't need stats and spreadsheets to tell me that BD has one of the worst bowling attack and the less said about their youngsters the better. You can't win consistently with such line up even if you have Virat batting for you.
 
I think England has the best middle to lower order, They are all power hitters.
 
Hyperion66 said:
Bangladesh
NZ
England

Stability-wise In that order. reverse it If you are looking for strongest/most explosive middle order.
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LOL what?

There is no format where Bangladesh ranks as top 5, let alone a top 3 middle order. Be serious.

If we're talking ODIs, then it is England, Root, Morgan, Bairstow, Buttler (depending on where he is batting), all get runs, all do it quickly and are all in form.
 
barah_admi said:
LOL what?

There is no format where Bangladesh ranks as top 5, let alone a top 3 middle order. Be serious.

If we're talking ODIs, then it is England, Root, Morgan, Bairstow, Buttler (depending on where he is batting), all get runs, all do it quickly and are all in form.
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Kindly read my other posts # 43 & 46. England is the strongest yet you can't seriously consider them to be the most stable of the lot.

If my team was running through a losing streak against Bangladesh I would be dead serious instead of Loling left, right, center.
 
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RainMan_ said:
England.

Bangladesh.

Most of the other teams r top heavy. Bangladesh will become unstoppable in odis if it can find out two good openers and one more pacer. The strength of their middle order is superb.
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In the last three years, Bangladesh were set target in excess of 300 four times. This superb middle order could not chase the target on any of these occasions even though on two occasions the top order had given excellent start.

On another five occasions during the same period, Bangladesh had to chase targets of under 300, but the superb middle order could not chase it.

Nine losses while chasing totals of 210 and above. I am happy that Indians middle order is "weak" and so they are able to chase such targets.
 
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Napa said:
The Indian middle order doesn't win many matches because before they bat the top order has already done the job!
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What about eng tour 2018,our middle order failed despite getting enough chances.
Even in SA it was just kohli and dhawan.

Not only this but our middle order fails to increase the str ratr in later stages of the match, we are usually 170-3 after 30 and end up scoring 300.
 
Abdullah719 said:
Good idea.

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That ZIM series has cost PAK in many, many ways ....... and it'll keep costing in future.

Obviously, you do understand that I am not impressed with some of the posts here, and I didn't run the table before asking you - but I was almost certain that the table will show why 77 (144) from 4-7 on a critical day from No. 4-7.
 
Abdullah719 said:
Good idea.

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I'm pretty sure if you crunch the same numbers for top 3 batsmen, India and Eng will be in the top 2 as well. Hence their dominance.

Just look at the sixers that English middle order hit. It's.more than India and Pakistan combined. Incredible attack
 
rhony said:
I'm pretty sure if you crunch the same numbers for top 3 batsmen, India and Eng will be in the top 2 as well. Hence their dominance.

Just look at the sixers that English middle order hit. It's.more than India and Pakistan combined. Incredible attack
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Exact same filter, for top 3 this time.

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So folks, here are the Middle Order stats from the World Cup. I am not sure how important is middle order?

Our middle order was good, but we still finished 8th, while NZ middle order was not that great but they are in the final due to their bowling alone.


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BDfanforever said:
So folks, here are the Middle Order stats from the World Cup. I am not sure how important is middle order?

Our middle order was good, but we still finished 8th, while NZ middle order was not that great but they are in the final due to their bowling alone.


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It’s because we have the worst openers this World Cup. We need to replace Tamim and Soumya and find our Roy & Bairstow. Shakib, Mushy & Liton batting, I can breathe for 20 - 25 overs. When our openers bat I usually am on a heart attack mood. Tamim gives me slow dot dot dot heart attack.
 
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