Who is better Test batter - Joe Root or Steve Smith?

[Obaidd]

Bro alot of these folkes pretend as if such conversations don't exist.

For example Indians like @Rajdeep and @jeeteshssaxena have peddled narratives about root and only Pakistani fans hyping root despite Steve Smith vocally claiming that root will beat Sachin and he's looking forward to witness it.

Clearly only Pakistani fans aren't observing and wishing to witness this phenomenon.

Their level of lying is on another level.

I highlighted the unfairness and all I heard was:

Pak has poor economy, Pak fans are jealous, we generate most revenue, we have most eyeballs

 

[atreus]

What are your numbers against Saffers?

16-12 in England's favour

 

[atreus]

Er, Root made more runs than Ponting in less number of innings in substantially tougher conditions over career sample size. There's no question he's a better Test Batsman than Ricky though they are close.

Ponting vs Smith stopped being a debate when Smith made three hundreds in India, Smith ended that discussion forever after 2019 Ashes.

 

[mominsaigol]

Er, Root made more runs than Ponting in less number of innings in substantially tougher conditions over career sample size. There's no question he's a better Test Batsman than Ricky though they are close.

Ponting vs Smith stopped being a debate when Smith made three hundreds in India, Smith ended that discussion forever after 2019 Ashes.

Er, Root made more runs than Ponting in less number

I've been stating this for months but @jnaveen1980 @jeeteshssaxena @pillionrider have been arguing with me as if I stole their kidneys and sold them on Ebay.

 

[atreus]

I've been stating this for months but these bafoons @jnaveen1980 @jeeteshssaxena @pillionrider have been arguing with me as if I stole their kidneys and sold them on Ebay.

Probably just Anglophobia.

 

[Sachin fan]

I highlighted the unfairness and all I heard was:

Pak has poor economy, Pak fans are jealous, we generate most revenue, we have most eyeballs

If you werent jealous you wouldn't be making excuses every time india won. Have been seeing such excuses since I started watching cricket. nothing has changed

 

[Sachin fan]

Bro alot of these folkes pretend as if such conversations don't exist.

For example Indians like @Rajdeep and @jeeteshssaxena have peddled narratives about root and only Pakistani fans hyping root despite Steve Smith vocally claiming that root will beat Sachin and he's looking forward to witness it.

Clearly only Pakistani fans aren't observing and wishing to witness this phenomenon.

Their level of lying is on another level.

How is Steve Smith praising his peer anything like comparing him to Sachin? What?

 

[mominsaigol]

How is Steve Smith praising his peer anything like comparing him to Sachin? What?

You're misunderstanding the point. Indian fans(the clo*n gang) have been peddling a narrative that the world doesnt care about Joe root and only Pakistani fans are concerned yet every news outlet is pedlling around the STORY of whether root can break it or not.

This racism towards Pakistani people needs to stop. Anyone should be allowed to support, comment and like whatever on an open forumn.

 

[sweep_shot]

Atherton and Hussain talked about it (Eng)
Cummins and @mominsaigol (Aus)
Shami (Ind)
@sweep_shot (BD)

Many more from around the globe have made their reservations known.

Bro alot of these folkes pretend as if such conversations don't exist.

For example Indians like @Rajdeep and @jeeteshssaxena have peddled narratives about root and only Pakistani fans hyping root despite Steve Smith vocally claiming that root will beat Sachin and he's looking forward to witness it.

Clearly only Pakistani fans aren't observing and wishing to witness this phenomenon.

Their level of lying is on another level.

These Indians think they are the center of the universe. They are out of touch with objective reality.

 

[VForVendetta]

Tbf I agree with you, but just one counter argument, their are only 15 batters in history who have acquires the 10K mark.

And excluding cook and mahela everyone else avg 50 or above and clearly stand out from any other batter who has not joined this club.

Excluding Mattew Hayden, but thats due to him avg 50 as a test opener hence he stands out despite not being in the club.

Smith will still be remembered amongst the top 15. But yes Root will likely be no 1 in terms of runs and possibly centuries.

Sobers,Viv, Greenidge, KP, Miandad & Sewhag are not part of this club. You mentioned Hayden only but all these guys are either amongst GOAT or ATG. They didn't need the entry into the 10k club to certify their legacy. There are quite a few batsmen on that club who were not better test batters than these non 10k guys. Mahela, Cook, Chandarpaul are not greater than these guys. They had terrific longevity for which they need to be commended. Hell, Cook actually didn't even have that, he was simply lucky to be born in a county which gets to play around 30 matches every year. Younus built his entire career on bullying in SC pitches(particularly those barren UAE pitches) while nudging & dancing & somehow trying to escape in SENAW. Younus is a certified legend but the names I mentioned on top of the post, each of them has greater legacy than him.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Considering yourself dominant over 6-4 just screams of you being desperate and insecure, the scoreline reads 23-21, you've done slightly better but calling yourself "dominant"? eh

You are the one who posted that 21-23 record to show that Eng was ahead , i just showed you that it was faulty and in reality India has been the better team in this millennium.

Plus, why are you sucking your own dick so hard over me simply saying your method of dismissing Root doesn't work considering the same statement can be made regarding your second greatest batsman? it's really weird how you went in a full blown schzio rant about India and England over a discussion regarding Root and Gavaskar.

I did not dismiss him, just said that he won’t retire as the best batsman of this generation in any format. Thats a fact.
Calm down.

nobody cares of bilateral limited overs outside of the Sub continent, IIRC india and England have won the same amount of ODI and T20 world cups this century too!

Nah, India has been far better, world cups count is same but you are yet to win the champions trophy( we won that thrice)on top of that your performance in world cups apart from the 2019 one has been shambolic.

You have won the test mace ones, while India has won it 5 times. There is absolutely no

 

[atreus]

You are the one who posted that 21-23 record to show that Eng was ahead , i just showed you that it was faulty and in reality India has been the better team in this millennium.

You brought up the conversation of "standards" when I said your pathetic jab at Root is applicable to your second greatest Batsman of all time as well, India have been marginally better by a margin of two whopping games, only Australia emerging as a clear superior team this decade. So basically, your criteria of producing ATGs when nowhere and was proven to be irrelevant as it didn't give India a relevant edge over England, we can go back in time too all the way to the 70s and it still won't help you.

I did not dismiss him, just said that he won’t retire as the best batsman of this generation in any format. Thats a fact.
Calm down.

I said the same is applicable with Gavaskar, you went on a cringe Anglophobe rant, please have a little self awareness.

Nah, India has been far better, world cups count is same but you are yet to win the champions trophy( we won that thrice)on top of that your performance in world cups apart from the 2019 one has been shambolic.

Indeed, because nobody in England outside of a 4-5 year window has ever cared for Limited Overs Cricket, it's just not popular outside Subcontinent.

You have won the test mace ones, while India has won it 5 times. There is absolutely no

21-23, 4-6, that's the end of the line, jerk off to your ATG production when your ATGs actually do something that give you bragging right.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

You brought up the conversation of "standards" when I said your pathetic jab at Root is applicable to your second greatest Batsman of all time as well, India have been marginally better by a margin of two whopping games, only Australia emerging as a clear superior team this decade. So basically, your criteria of producing ATGs when nowhere and was proven to be irrelevant as it didn't give India a relevant edge over England, we can go back in time too all the way to the 70s and it still won't help you.

I said the same is applicable with Gavaskar, you went on a cringe Anglophobe rant, please have a little self awareness.

Indeed, because nobody in England outside of a 4-5 year window has ever cared for Limited Overs Cricket, it's just not popular outside Subcontinent.

21-23, 4-6, that's the end of the line, jerk off to your ATG production when your ATGs actually do something that give you bragging right.

What I stated was a fact, you need to check the whole thread before raining down on me.

Threads like these are just being used to somehow portray Root as the best batter of all time which is absolutely idiotic considering he isn’t even the best of his time.


The reality is India 6- Eng 4, Englands routine nowadays is getting shagged by Australia away from home and somehow saving their ass in home conditions, then going to India where Root scores some runs on the one flat pitch we give you after which the shagging continues for 4 more games ending the series 4-1.

Pakistan was your only saving grace but last year even they pulled your pants down.

 

[atreus]

What I stated was a fact, you need to check the whole thread before raining down on me..

Nah, you are a bigoted brat who is getting called out for his irrelevant chest thumping and is unable to handle it.

Threads like these are just being used to somehow portray Root as the best batter of all time which is absolutely idiotic considering he isn’t even the best of his time.

Kindly show me one poster claiming he's the best of all time, please. All there is, is idiots such as yourself spreading garbage agenda against the guy because of your Anglophobia.

The reality is India 6- Eng 4,

21-23, you're two whole games ahead! amazing!

Englands routine nowadays is getting shagged by Australia away from home and somehow saving their ass in home conditions

On the other hand.

1. India has never won a series in South Africa, England did it in 2016/17 and in 2020-21.

2. India hasn't won a series in New Zealand in their last two attempts, England were 2-0 up the last series and won the series too.

then going to India where Root scores some runs on the one flat pitch we give you after which the shagging continues for 4 more games ending the series 4-1.

At least you admit to pitch tampering, you should thank us for our graciousness with the wickets in BGT, especially the London ones, if England started making county cricket like greentops and take a bunch of the 70-75mph trundlers who won't do anything on a real wicket, they won't lose a test in England ever again but we don't need to do all that, Australia haven't won in over 25 years, India haven't in over 20, England have beaten those two in their homes more recently.

Pakistan was your only saving grace but last year even they pulled your pants down.

By deploying proper industrial fans on a wicket and playing on day 7-8 wickets Yes, they be.at the saffers on less tampered wickets than those.

 

[Obaidd]

Atherton and Hussain talked about it (Eng)
Cummins and @mominsaigol (Aus)
Shami (Ind)
@sweep_shot (BD)

Many more from around the globe have made their reservations known.

This post was about Ind’s unfair CT win but was moved here.

No worries. I will keep fighting cricket’s fight for survival against ‘most eyeballs’

 

[mominsaigol]

Sobers,Viv, Greenidge, KP, Miandad & Sewhag are not part of this club. You mentioned Hayden only but all these guys are either amongst GOAT or ATG. They didn't need the entry into the 10k club to certify their legacy. There are quite a few batsmen on that club who were not better test batters than these non 10k guys. Mahela, Cook, Chandarpaul are not greater than these guys. They had terrific longevity for which they need to be commended. Hell, Cook actually didn't even have that, he was simply lucky to be born in a county which gets to play around 30 matches every year. Younus built his entire career on bullying in SC pitches(particularly those barren UAE pitches) while nudging & dancing & somehow trying to escape in SENAW. Younus is a certified legend but the names I mentioned on top of the post, each of them has greater legacy than him.

I agree 100%. Except for YK, YK is > KP, Miandad, Sehwag amongst the names you mentioned but below Viv sobers and greenidge

 

[mominsaigol]

Nah, you are a bigoted brat who is getting called out for his irrelevant chest thumping and is unable to handle it.

Kindly show me one poster claiming he's the best of all time, please. All there is, is idiots such as yourself spreading garbage agenda against the guy because of your Anglophobia.

21-23, you're two whole games ahead! amazing!

On the other hand.

1. India has never won a series in South Africa, England did it in 2016/17 and in 2020-21.

2. India hasn't won a series in New Zealand in their last two attempts, England were 2-0 up the last series and won the series too.


At least you admit to pitch tampering, you should thank us for our graciousness with the wickets in BGT, especially the London ones, if England started making county cricket like greentops and take a bunch of the 70-75mph trundlers who won't do anything on a real wicket, they won't lose a test in England ever again but we don't need to do all that, Australia haven't won in over 25 years, India haven't in over 20, England have beaten those two in their homes more recently.

By deploying proper industrial fans on a wicket and playing on day 7-8 wickets Yes, they be.at the saffers on less tampered wickets than those.

I cant recall anyone claiming he was the best of all time. Even in my list I put him at Ponting level and below many others.

 

[VForVendetta]

I agree 100%. Except for YK, YK is > KP, Miandad, Sehwag amongst the names you mentioned but below Viv sobers and greenidge

Well, I respect your opinion but certainly don't agree. Younus was a fighter, a real hard nut, man of crisis, a genuine hero of Pak cricket in it's darker declining period. But there's no way I would rate him above KP & Sewhag. Those guys were monsters on their days, literally destroyed multiple bowling attacks, humiliated many legends & treated them like nobodies. They are the closet thing to Viv in test cricket world cricket has witnessed & nobody came even close with the exception of Warner who is frankly a bunny in Ind & Eng.
As for Miandad, well both Pakistanis & non Pakistanis rate him comfortably above Younus. He had his demons in WI, but other than that he was easily a better, more reliable player on SENA pitches.

 

[mominsaigol]

Well, I respect your opinion but certainly don't agree. Younus was a fighter, a real hard nut, man of crisis, a genuine hero of Pak cricket in it's darker declining period. But there's no way I would rate him above KP & Sewhag. Those guys were monsters on their days, literally destroyed multiple bowling attacks, humiliated many legends & treated them like nobodies. They are the closet thing to Viv in test cricket world cricket has witnessed & nobody came even close with the exception of Warner who is frankly a bunny in Ind & Eng.
As for Miandad, well both Pakistanis & non Pakistanis rate him comfortably above Younus. He had his demons in WI, but other than that he was easily a better, more reliable player on SENA pitches.

I cant speak for how people rate them. Speaking of Sehwag and KP, Sehwag maybe due to the hardships of opening but not KP.

Attacking more =/= better player. Harry Brook was more dominant in Pakistan and NZ for England yet Root is comfortably the better test batsmen.

Similarly Ponting is more attacking then Steve Smith in test cricket but Smith is superior no contest.

KP avg 45 in aus, 43 in India and this was when indian test bowling was rubbish. India's test bowling is still rubbish but shami, Bumrah and even siraj who is medicore are > indian trundles of all old, to top it off their spin department is better as well.

The less said about his performance in NZ, SA and Pakistan the better.

YK on the other hand has scored multiple centuries in every single country he has played in. His conversion rate is off the charts having more centuries then 50's in test cricket, he avg 40+ in every country he played in except for WI and SA where he was poor but he still mustered one century and one dominant performance in their den.

Even then his sa record isnt that bad, he avg 32 which while poor for his standards is nowhere near the clownish records of KP in the countries ive mentioned.

Miandad is closer to YK but he has a weaker conversion rate and his overall country by country performance is weaker then Miandad.

And tbh YK is > Sehwag opener or not.

YK is honestly in the class of Rahul Dravid in test cricket, however Dravid is still superior if you compare these 2 in test.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Nah, you are a bigoted brat who is getting called out for his irrelevant chest thumping and is unable to handle it.

Kindly show me one poster claiming he's the best of all time, please. All there is, is idiots such as yourself spreading garbage agenda against the guy because of your Anglophobia.

21-23, you're two whole games ahead! amazing!

On the other hand.

1. India has never won a series in South Africa, England did it in 2016/17 and in 2020-21.

2. India hasn't won a series in New Zealand in their last two attempts, England were 2-0 up the last series and won the series too.


At least you admit to pitch tampering, you should thank us for our graciousness with the wickets in BGT, especially the London ones, if England started making county cricket like greentops and take a bunch of the 70-75mph trundlers who won't do anything on a real wicket, they won't lose a test in England ever again but we don't need to do all that, Australia haven't won in over 25 years, India haven't in over 20, England have beaten those two in their homes more recently.

By deploying proper industrial fans on a wicket and playing on day 7-8 wickets Yes, they be.at the saffers on less tampered wickets than those.

I am not clicking on that video, whatever that is.

Bigoted? For what? You Just picked up a word from the dictionary and applied it to a totally unrelated conversation.

If you prepare greentops your FTBs will be the first one to get exposed, Zak Crawley would average south of 20, let alone win, your team won’t even be able to save their underpants in home conditions vs the big boys.

Root scoring only on the one flat pitch that he gets in India isn’t really a compliment, whenever we prepare pitches that turn not only are your ftbs humiliated they start crying about pitches, which is exactly opposite of what the Indian team does, your team and excricketers do not know how to man up because they have become spoilt brats who think Ecb still runs cricket.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Peak = Smith
Career = Root

Smith is fading away pretty badly. By the time he retires, his career wouldn’t be distinguishable from any other 50+ averaging batsman.

Root will have a unique place in history as the leading run scorer and leading century maker in Test history.

Oh nice, didn’t you post just a month ago that Smith is a better test batsman than Sachin, last I remember in reallity Sachin is actually the person holding the record of most test runs and ergo has a “unique place in history”.

Or did you get confused between reality and your dreams where Root has already become number one scorer?

Another one of your <100 iq 180 degree turn.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Indians aren't anglophobe, they are logicphobes, and decencyphobes

 

[Mamoon]

Oh nice, didn’t you post just a month ago that Smith is a better test batsman than Sachin, last I remember in reallity Sachin is actually the person holding the record of most test runs and ergo has a “unique place in history”.

Or did you get confused between reality and your dreams where Root has already become number one scorer?

Another one of your <100 iq 180 degree turn.

English, please.

 

[Mamoon]

Oh nice, didn’t you post just a month ago that Smith is a better test batsman than Sachin, last I remember in reallity Sachin is actually the person holding the record of most test runs and ergo has a “unique place in history”.

Or did you get confused between reality and your dreams where Root has already become number one scorer?

Another one of your <100 iq 180 degree turn.

I read your incoherent rambling (in thick Indian accent while bobbling my head) one more time and this time, I was able to comprehend it.

So I see where the problem lies — you don’t know the difference between “will” and “has”.

“Root will have a unique place in history as the leading run scorer and leading century maker in Test history”

This implies that Root has not yet become the leading run scorer by it is my expectation that he will become one day, and I stick to that expectation. Everyone including jingoistic Indian fans know he is going to do it, but their denial is very strong.

“Or did you get confused between reality and your wet dreams where Root has already become number one scorer?”

Nowhere did I imply this. I would have implied this if I wrote that “Root has a unique place in history as the leading run scorer and leading century maker in Test history” which I did not.

You need to apologize for wasting my time. Next time, learn to read and write properly before criticizing my IQ which is several notches above yours and every other Indian on this forum.

 

[Ab Fan]

Smith will likely have a special place among the pantheons of all time test greats. That’s because he dominated a test series away from home in India 2017 and Ashes 2019. He was dominant run scorer in home Ashes 2017 as well.

Joe Root will have to do more than just hitting a ton in Australia or getting to 16000 test runs, which is still a long way behind to reach Steve Smith level.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Smith. no doubt is a better batter than Root... He might be out of form but he has played some wonderful knocks over the years.

 

[Golu-momin]

I cant speak for how people rate them. Speaking of Sehwag and KP, Sehwag maybe due to the hardships of opening but not KP.

Attacking more =/= better player. Harry Brook was more dominant in Pakistan and NZ for England yet Root is comfortably the better test batsmen.

Similarly Ponting is more attacking then Steve Smith in test cricket but Smith is superior no contest.

KP avg 45 in aus, 43 in India and this was when indian test bowling was rubbish. India's test bowling is still rubbish but shami, Bumrah and even siraj who is medicore are > indian trundles of all old, to top it off their spin department is better as well.

The less said about his performance in NZ, SA and Pakistan the better.

YK on the other hand has scored multiple centuries in every single country he has played in. His conversion rate is off the charts having more centuries then 50's in test cricket, he avg 40+ in every country he played in except for WI and SA where he was poor but he still mustered one century and one dominant performance in their den.

Even then his sa record isnt that bad, he avg 32 which while poor for his standards is nowhere near the clownish records of KP in the countries ive mentioned.

Miandad is closer to YK but he has a weaker conversion rate and his overall country by country performance is weaker then Miandad.

And tbh YK is > Sehwag opener or not.

YK is honestly in the class of Rahul Dravid in test cricket, however Dravid is still superior if you compare these 2 in test.

Yk is better than pietersan in test cricket but sehwag was something else specially in subcontinent and Australia/south africa but was mediocre in newzealand/england no comparison.
Only a mental midget will pick yk over sehwag in subcontinent and in Austalia.

 

[Sachin fan]

You're misunderstanding the point. Indian fans(the clo*n gang) have been peddling a narrative that the world doesnt care about Joe root and only Pakistani fans are concerned yet every news outlet is pedlling around the STORY of whether root can break it or not.

This racism towards Pakistani people needs to stop. Anyone should be allowed to support, comment and like whatever on an open forumn.

The world is not using this record to put down Sachin. Caring about the record is not about hating on Sachin

What Pak fans on this forum have been doing, is using this record to show Sachin was over rated and Root is a better batsman than Sachin which no one else is doing.

They are two entirely different things.

P.S. since you care about Smiths opinion so much, he named Sachin as the best batsman ever too this week.

 

[Sachin fan]

Indians aren't anglophobe, they are logicphobes, and decencyphobes

Still better then Pakistan fans who habe a new dad everytime they need to froth in their mouth about Sachin and bumrah. Never ever seen bigger hypocrites who change the criteria of greatness in cricket, everytime it suits them.

 

[Sachin fan]

Oh nice, didn’t you post just a month ago that Smith is a better test batsman than Sachin, last I remember in reallity Sachin is actually the person holding the record of most test runs and ergo has a “unique place in history”.

Or did you get confused between reality and your dreams where Root has already become number one scorer?

Another one of your <100 iq 180 degree turn.

Their criteria changes more after than their clothes. When it comes to Smith vs Sachin it's always average which matters, when it comes to Root vs Sachin it's total runs which matter.

Same with burmah vs akhtar or bumrah vs akram

They are driven by pure jealousy and envy, expecting logic and consistency in their reasoning is a lost cause.

 

[BouncerGuy]

THREAD IS ABOUT JOE ROOT VS SMITH

NOBODY WANTS TO SEE THE OBSESSION OF SACHIN HERE ALSO.

STAY ON TOPIC NOW

 

[mominsaigol]

The world is not using this record to put down Sachin. Caring about the record is not about hating on Sachin

What Pak fans on this forum have been doing, is using this record to show Sachin was over rated and Root is a better batsman than Sachin which no one else is doing.

They are two entirely different things.

P.S. since you care about Smiths opinion so much, he named Sachin as the best batsman ever too this week.

What does that have anything to do with me though?

You and @Ab Fan already saw my list? Of test batters ranking? The only difference is root since boosting his avg to 51 has reached no 13 while Tenda is at 5-8?

You guys need to stop generalising Pakistan fans. Their are bad eggs on both sides(pakistan and India) and good eggs on both as well

 

[Sachin fan]

What does that have anything to do with me though?

You and @Ab Fan already saw my list? Of test batters ranking? The only difference is root since boosting his avg to 51 has reached no 13 while Tenda is at 5-8?

You guys need to stop generalising Pakistan fans. Their are bad eggs on both sides(pakistan and India) and good eggs on both as well

There is no way someone who puts Sachin at no 8 in tests ranking is not biased. No way. They apparently know more than bradman, smith and others who always put him after Bradman

And you only use an insulting nickname for him and no one else.


And you want to be taken seriously after that

 

[mominsaigol]

There is no way someone who puts Sachin at no 8 in tests ranking is not biased. No way. They apparently know more than bradman, smith and others who always put him after Bradman

And you want to be taken seriously after that

When did Steve smith put Sachin at no 2 . He said he wants to bat with him.

Also you don't understand the meaning of bias.

Bias is when you obviously don't believe in something but state it anyway due to an ego.

How is my list biased . This fallacy of associating cricketers > posters needs to stop. It's fallacious for very obvious reasons lol.

 

[mominsaigol]

When did Steve smith put Sachin at no 2 . He said he wants to bat with him.

Also you don't understand the meaning of bias.

Bias is when you obviously don't believe in something but state it anyway due to an ego.

How is my list biased . This fallacy of associating cricketers > posters needs to stop. It's fallacious for very obvious reasons lol.

@Sachin fan Let me make this clear since Indians keep filtering arguments based of agenda. @Ab Fan does the same thing.

It is a common fact that While odi batting and t20 batting has gotten easier, test batting has gotten harder.

Shahid Afridi a tulla avergaes 37 in test cricket whereas he wouldn't even avg half of that in this era.

England is the only pitch where batting is easier now, every other pitch excluding aus which is more or less the same is harder and this is due to sides curating pitches to their liking to give them an advantage.

For example Bangladesh and pakistan using heaters and industrial fans to create minefields where everyone avg 17-21 is common. A prime Steve smith avg 66 and Joe root avg 50 avg 19 and 22 in Bangladesh. Does that mean Bangladesh is a top ranked side that dispatches batters easily?

Similarly Those Pakistani pitches were a disgrace. Sajid, noman, warrican had numbers that would make shane warne and murli blush even if both of them were bowling to Kenya.

The pitches where Ambrose got smacked by sachin were the same pitches were draws occurred 4x out of 5 and every tom dick and Harry team scored 400-500 consistently.

Similarly Misbah avg 100 in India whereas everyone knows it is impossible to achieve such a feat on spin mambas in India and on pitches where india can get bowled out for 45 in this era.

One makes you think Misbah was sone sort of Bradman in India but anyone who followed those games would know those pitches were a joke.

Its a also a fact that the no of draws from sachin era to smith era have decreased massively.

Smith has a higher avg then sachin in a bowling friendly era with Root having a similar avg to Ponting in a bowling friendly era, granted root increased due to england which is an exception.

While sachin is better then root due to his performance in Australia via an unchanged pitch, sachin is nowhere near as good as hes made out to be.

He and Ponting got a very easy to bat in as compared to what root and smith bat in.

Root is obviously > Ponting in test and this is coming from someone who views Ponting as the greatest overall cricketer of all time.

Lastly Sachin's record vs the top bowlers of his era excluding warne isnt good. Jimmy anderson, Mcgrath and many other encounters were one sided affairs while smith has struggled only against bumrah.

Root vs Bumrah is not as one sided as people think. Root avg 33 vs Bumrah now and despite bumrah dismissing him, root has tonked india for 700 runs and for 500 runs recently as well as smashed them in both dens. Under bumrah root has scored round about 3-4 centuries so its not one sided by any means, it is an extremely balanced rivalry unlike mcgrath vs sachin which was a comedy and only got worse with tennis elbow.

 

[BouncerGuy]

THREAD IS ABOUT JOE ROOT VS SMITH

NOBODY WANTS TO SEE THE OBSESSION OF SACHIN HERE ALSO.

STAY ON TOPIC NOW

AGAIN... FINAL TIME

 

[Devadwal]

AGAIN... FINAL TIME

Only a single wannabe posters bring Sachin in every Thread so People's only busting his fake propaganda.

 

[mominsaigol]

AGAIN... FINAL TIME

Am not going off topic. Not my fault if others are.

Me claiming Steve Smith is > Sachin and Root is round about >= Ponting is a totally valid argument. And cements why this debate between these 2 is much closer then what people think.

Now if people use that analogy and start hyperventilating over a tennis elbow meme

 

[BouncerGuy]

I don't care who is going OFF-topic. I will remove the posts now

 

[atreus]

I am not clicking on that video, whatever that is.

It's me laughing at you.

Bigoted? For what? You Just picked up a word from the dictionary and applied it to a totally unrelated conversation.

Bigoted for making a conversation regarding individuals about a conversation of countries and ethnicity

If you prepare greentops your FTBs will be the first one to get exposed, Zak Crawley would average south of 20, let alone win

lmao, on county wickets with dukes and Sam Cook/a healthy Woakes leading the way, England would never lose a Test again, Crawley would score more than FTB supreme Shubhbum Gill on those.

your team won’t even be able to save their underpants in home conditions vs the big boys.

Their is nothing to save against Australia and India at home, they haven't won a series in England in 26 and 20+ years respectively, they should first figure that out before virtue signaling.

Root scoring only on the one flat pitch that he gets in India isn’t really a compliment, whenever we prepare pitches that turn not only are your ftbs humiliated they start crying about pitches

Yeah because you clowns don't complain given the opportunity lmao

'There would be hell' if Test in India lasted three days, Gavaskar says

India great Sunil Gavaskar questions why there isn't the same level of commentary around an SCG pitch that is likely to see a Test finish inside three days, compared to rank turners in the subcontinent.

www.abc.net.au

also, the 2021 pitches were awful, the Ahmedabad Test was disgraceful where Root somehow got a five wicket haul. To your credit, the 2024 pitches were great start to end and therefore made for a good series, finally India managed to make good Wickets after decades of trying, full credit to you!

which is exactly opposite of what the Indian team does, your team and excricketers do not know how to man up because they have become spoilt brats who think Ecb still runs cricket.

lmao, ECB has never run Test Cricket, MCC used to run it around a hundred years ago but even they lost their power around the Second world war. England does not whine and get home wickets for their overseas tournaments, nor do they have an endless source of IPL money. The result is your players are pathetic jerks who tour England and always instigate drama (Kohli at Edgbaston, Gill at Lord's), play victim complex and go home realising that beating England in England would never be in their legacy. Congratulations on becoming the bootleg MCC.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

I read your incoherent rambling (in thick Indian accent while bobbling my head) one more time and this time, I was able to comprehend it.

So I see where the problem lies — you don’t know the difference between “will” and “has”.

“Root will have a unique place in history as the leading run scorer and leading century maker in Test history”

This implies that Root has not yet become the leading run scorer by it is my expectation that he will become one day, and I stick to that expectation. Everyone including jingoistic Indian fans know he is going to do it, but their denial is very strong.

“Or did you get confused between reality and your wet dreams where Root has already become number one scorer?”

Nowhere did I imply this. I would have implied this if I wrote that “Root has a unique place in history as the leading run scorer and leading century maker in Test history” which I did not.

You need to apologize for wasting my time. Next time, learn to read and write properly before criticizing my IQ which is several notches above yours and every other Indian on this forum.

You are skipping the question, marinating your irrelevant answer with ridiculous jibes isn’t really helping here.

Also, whats up with the racism here? You yourself are basically an Indian whose ancestors didn’t have enough willpower and kneeled against some Arab invader and got converted. Thats the only freaking difference. You are an inferior quality of Indian, a temu version infact.

Back to topic, the question was that you rated Smith ahead of Tendulkar just a month ago and now you rate Root’s career ahead of him, its nothing but hypocrisy and because you had absolutely no answer to that you chose to beat around the bush with racist jibes.

 

[S. Basak]

Smith>Root>Kohli>Sachin>Williamson

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

It's me laughing at you.

Bigoted for making a conversation regarding individuals about a conversation of countries and ethnicity

Saying that your country sucks at cricket doesn’t make me bigoted. Ask the Aussies, they will tell you the same.

lmao, on county wickets with dukes and Sam Cook/a healthy Woakes leading the way, England would never lose a Test again, Crawley would score more than FTB supreme Shubhbum Gill on those.

Yeah and with Bumrah and Siraj bowling for us it will be an absolute bloodbath for you. Woakes? Really?

Their is nothing to save against Australia and India at home, they haven't won a series in England in 26 and 20+ years respectively, they should first figure that out before virtue signaling.

Yeah, nice try, who holds the Ashes currently?

Yeah because you clowns don't complain given the opportunity lmao

'There would be hell' if Test in India lasted three days, Gavaskar says

India great Sunil Gavaskar questions why there isn't the same level of commentary around an SCG pitch that is likely to see a Test finish inside three days, compared to rank turners in the subcontinent.

www.abc.net.au

Pointing out double standards doesn’t mean we are complaining about the pitches, it means we can man up but then why can’t you.

also, the 2021 pitches were awful, the Ahmedabad Test was disgraceful where Root somehow got a five wicket haul. To your credit, the 2024 pitches were great start to end and therefore made for a good series, finally India managed to make good Wickets after decades of trying, full credit to you!

Things like these happen sometimes, one or two matches don’t define the quality of our pitches

 

[atreus]

Saying that your country sucks at cricket doesn’t make me bigoted. Ask the Aussies, they will tell you the same.

You didn't say just that, you went on about standards when you can discuss Cricket like a normal person but I guess that's asking too much

Yeah and with Bumrah and Siraj bowling for us it will be an absolute bloodbath for you.

Siraj? seriously? lol, and No, it would be a bloodbath for you because none of your batsmen have any county experience, the English ones do, intrinsically far ahead, same concept as your batsmen and your pitches really. We all saw how that goes down when people have experience of playing on turners, Ask New Zealand in 2024 and West Indies in Pakistan not long ago.

Also, Woakes is the quintessential county bowler who can't get anything done with the Kookabura or on flat pitches

Yeah, nice try, who holds the Ashes currently?

Australia are the marginally better side and the best team in the world so I'd assume they would, sadly they have not won in England in 25+ years but even they aren't as insecure

Pointing out double standards doesn’t mean we are complaining about the pitches, it means we can man up but then why can’t you.

is Man up some street slang in India or just a term you're obsessed with? Not a single offense from the English side

Things like these happen sometimes, one or two matches don’t define the quality of our pitches

Yeah, that's kind of the difference between us.

England makes proper 5 day Test Cricket pitches where games last 4 or 5 days, the spectator gets money, the organisers make money, games are close and so forth. Of Course, this concept is well beyond you. You used this same "oh noes we lost a match let's make a dustbowl!" trick last year too against New Zealand, finally it backfired and some part time Cricketer took a ten wicket haul lmao.

so give up bragging about your Cricket, try actually responding to the point with an argument instead of being a bigoted clown.

 

[BouncerGuy]

PLEASE

NO PERSONAL REMARKS.

 

[BouncerGuy]

THREAD IS ABOUT JOE ROOT VS SMITH

NOBODY WANTS TO SEE THE OBSESSION OF SACHIN HERE ALSO.

STAY ON TOPIC NOW

AGAIN

 

[Mamoon]

You are skipping the question, marinating your irrelevant answer with ridiculous jibes isn’t really helping here.

Also, whats up with the racism here? You yourself are basically an Indian whose ancestors didn’t have enough willpower and kneeled against some Arab invader and got converted. Thats the only freaking difference. You are an inferior quality of Indian, a temu version infact.

Back to topic, the question was that you rated Smith ahead of Tendulkar just a month ago and now you rate Root’s career ahead of him, its nothing but hypocrisy and because you had absolutely no answer to that you chose to beat around the bush with racist jibes.

So not only do you not only the difference between will and has, you also don’t know the definition of racism. Since when did India become a race?

As far as I am concerned, my ancestors weren’t Indians. Pathans don’t have Indian ancestry — most of us have Afghan, Persian and Macedonian ancestry.

I look in the mirror and every day and I am thankful that I don’t have Indian heritage.

 

[Mamoon]

It’s interesting that over the last year or so, Indians have made Smith their new father and are desperate to peddle the narrative that Root isn’t even worthy of comparison with him which is a load of rubbish.

Root has bridged the gap very very significantly in the last 4 years and by the time they retire, it can be argued with a lot of substance that Root has had the superior career.

The main commonality between Root and Smith is their shared dominance over India — both own Indian bowlers in what has been India’s greatest ever era as a bowling unit.

The Indian insecurity over Root is hilarious. They are doing everything in their power to downplay his greatness and legacy as a Test batsman just because he is well on his way of breaking Tendulkar’s record of most runs and centuries.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

So not only do you not only the difference between will and has, you also don’t know the definition of racism. Since when did India become a race?

English please?

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

So not only do you not only the difference between will and has, you also don’t know the definition of racism. Since when did India become a race?

As far as I am concerned, my ancestors weren’t Indians. Pathans don’t have Indian ancestry — most of us have Afghan, Persian and Macedonian ancestry.

I look in the mirror and every day and I am thankful that I don’t have Indian heritage.

Well then its settled, I can’t blame you anymore

Btw, you dodged the question yet again.? How is Smiths career better than Sachin but not Root

 

[DeadlyVenom]

It’s interesting that over the last year or so, Indians have made Smith their new father and are desperate to peddle the narrative that Root isn’t even worthy of comparison with him which is a load of rubbish.

Root has bridged the gap very very significantly in the last 4 years and by the time they retire, it can be argued with a lot of substance that Root has had the superior career.

The main commonality between Root and Smith is their shared dominance over India — both own Indian bowlers in what has been India’s greatest ever era as a bowling unit.

The Indian insecurity over Root is hilarious. They are doing everything in their power to downplay his greatness and legacy as a Test batsman just because he is well on his way of breaking Tendulkar’s record of most runs and centuries.

They have done this for a while. They have been under the spell of Australia as a country for a long time, they often rush and hide behind Australia. When analysing any player they don't even care about their performance against India, their default measurement is how that player performed against Australia. I would diagnose it as a form of parental transference, or in laymans terms as they have made Australia their Papa.

 

[S. Basak]

Some of Joe Root's Head to Head stats:

Vs Pace Bowlers:
vs Dale Steyn: 6 runs @ ∞
vs Jasprit Bumrah: 333 runs @ 30.3
vs Pat Cummins: 286 runs @ 26.0
vs Kagiso Rabada: 200 runs @ 50.0
vs Josh Hazlewood: 314 runs @ 31.4
vs Mitchell Johnson: 174 runs @ 43.5
vs Mitchell Starc: 349 runs @ 43.6
vs Trent Boult: 195 runs @ 27.5
vs Mohammad Shami: 297 runs @ 148.5
vs Neil Wagner: 311 runs @ 51.8
vs Vernon Philander: 80 runs @ 40
vs Morne Morkel: 203 runs @ 101.5


Vs Spin Bowlers:
vs Ravichandran Ashwin: 437 runs @ 62.4
vs Nathan Lyon: 439 runs @ 54.9
vs Rangana Herath: 107 runs @ 35.7
vs Ravindra Jadeja: 601 runs @ 66.8
vs Yasir Shah: 263 runs @ 52.6

 

[Technics 1210]

They have done this for a while. They have been under the spell of Australia as a country for a long time, they often rush and hide behind Australia. When analysing any player they don't even care about their performance against India, their default measurement is how that player performed against Australia. I would diagnose it as a form of parental transference, or in laymans terms as they have made Australia their Papa.

The fabricated rivalry to stay relevant!

Even the Aussies don't think much of SRT, or India for that matter.

 

[Mamoon]

English please?

English, please?*

 

[Barragan]

Tough, but Smith in his prime and Root overall

 

[AZulfi]

Statistically speaking, both are great batsmen, but neither is very exciting to watch. Besides, Smith has an ugly batting stance

Cannot really compare them with the likes of Viv, Ponting, AB, Lara, Sachin, Yousuf, Inzi, and Miandad when in full flow

 

[Buffet]

I would like Root to up his ton counts in tough tours. Too low for his class. Yes, he has gotten better in conversion but not in tough tours. Sanwitched between Pant and Rahul despite playing most number of test in this list is not great. If you notice he has gotten great starts so it's a question of not being satisfied with cute 50s in tough tours. Make lots of tons. That shoiuld be his goal.







Since he plays for Eng, Ashes plays a huge part in how Eng and Aus players are remembered. Root should try to move up in this list. Same issue of conversion here as well. Got 22 times 50+ but only 4 times 100+.




Hopefully, Root can have a 500-600 runs series with couple of tons in Aus. It will go a long way to elevate his stature and make the next Ashes in Aus interesting to watch. Go Root!