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A few people feel Labour is unelectable but then the Tories havent endeared themselves with the population either. Will the Greens, Lib Dems and Brexit party make an impact?
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Looks like a Tory majority to me unfortunately. If only lib dem supporters realised that their party have no chance and they may aswell vote labour then labour would have a chance.
There aren't enough right wing parties to reduce tory voters therefore it will be a conservative majority.
There aren't enough right wing parties to reduce tory voters therefore it will be a conservative majority.
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Seems to be the general consensus narrative from the polls, the media and the doorsteps that the Tories will hold most of their 2017 seats and then will make enough inroads into Labour’s Northern, Midland and Welsh “Red Wall” to win with a small (but significant) majority.
But a majority may not even be required for them. Given that an opposition unity government would find it very difficult to hold together for long, realistically the Tories need to be kept to under 320 seats to be kicked out of government entirely. Even 315 might be doable for the Tories. Johnson is a limpet and will cling on.
A Tory minority government, with small renegotiated Brexit concessions to the DUP and another confidence & supply deal, will be his unwanted but still acceptable Plan B. Nigel Dodds suggested yesterday that the DUP would be very open to this.
All in all, I can’t see a scenario wherein the Conservatives are removed. It will, I think, be another 4.5 years of them, minimum.
(Of course, anything can happen!)
But a majority may not even be required for them. Given that an opposition unity government would find it very difficult to hold together for long, realistically the Tories need to be kept to under 320 seats to be kicked out of government entirely. Even 315 might be doable for the Tories. Johnson is a limpet and will cling on.
A Tory minority government, with small renegotiated Brexit concessions to the DUP and another confidence & supply deal, will be his unwanted but still acceptable Plan B. Nigel Dodds suggested yesterday that the DUP would be very open to this.
All in all, I can’t see a scenario wherein the Conservatives are removed. It will, I think, be another 4.5 years of them, minimum.
(Of course, anything can happen!)
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Cannot see any one other than the Conservatives winning this.
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John McDonnell has promised to "end austerity" in a speech setting out Labour's priorities for its first 100 days in government.
The shadow chancellor vowed to "remake government" with a Budget on 5 February if his party wins this Thursday's election.
He also detailed how newly nationalised water and energy firms would be run.
The Tories are also pledging to increase public spending, but not on the same scale.
They have criticised Labour's spending plans as "reckless", claiming they would lead to an economic crisis within months of the party taking office.
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50704546
The shadow chancellor vowed to "remake government" with a Budget on 5 February if his party wins this Thursday's election.
He also detailed how newly nationalised water and energy firms would be run.
The Tories are also pledging to increase public spending, but not on the same scale.
They have criticised Labour's spending plans as "reckless", claiming they would lead to an economic crisis within months of the party taking office.
Conservative leader Boris Johnson is visiting Labour-held seats which voted for Brexit in the north-east of England on Monday, with three days to go until polling day.
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn will tour Labour target seats in the south of England.
Meanwhile, SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon said she was confident an agreement on another Scottish independence vote could be done with Labour, if it needed her party's support to form a government in the event of a hung parliament.
But Mr Corbyn has ruled out supporting a Scottish independence referendum until after the next Holyrood election in 2021.
As the parties begin their final push for votes, the Liberal Democrats are pledging to table legislation to stop Brexit immediately after the election by introducing two draft bills they say would pave the way for another EU referendum.
'Market forces'
Labour is proposing a big increase in spending on public services and social security, to be funded by higher taxes on companies and better-off workers, plus government borrowing.
It is also planning to take train companies, Royal Mail, the water industry, and the big six energy firms into public ownership - and part-privatise BT Openreach.
Speaking in London, Mr McDonnell said Labour's planned February Budget would mark "the date when almost ten years of cuts will come to an end".
He said: "In our first hundred days, we will start the process of bringing water and energy into public ownership.
"We'll set up boards to run them made up of you, the customer, and you, the worker, as well as representatives from local councils, metro mayors and others.
"We'll make sure decisions are taken locally by those who understand the services - those who use them and deliver them. Meetings will be public and streamed online with new transparency regulations set higher than ever before.
"So you can see if your road is being dug up, why, and for how long. And we'll create new People's Assemblies to hold these boards to account and give everyone the option of participating in how their utilities are run."
Labour's economic plan in 10 points
He also outlined Labour's plans to invest in green industries, skills training and regional development, attempting to reverse the decline of manufacturing and the growth of "dreary, exploitative, insecure and low-paid jobs".
'Destroying confidence'
He pledged that a National Transformation Fund Unit, based in the north of England, would be set up before Christmas.
His party also wants to set up a National Investment Bank - which also featured in the party's 2017 manifesto - which would have £250bn to lend, with a focus on small businesses whose work ties in to the government's industrial strategy.
Mr McDonnell defended his tax policy in the face of criticism from the telecoms tycoon John Caudwell, who said Labour's anti-billionaire rhetoric was "destroying confidence" and making wealthy people like him feel "almost like pariahs".
The Phones4u founder told Radio 4's Today programme that some within Labour "despised" success and its economic plans were driven by "envy", suggesting that droves of entrepreneurs would leave the country if Mr Corbyn won power.
In response, Mr McDonnell said his plans had been "exaggerated" by sections of the media.
While he hoped the rich accepted they had a social responsibility to address the UK's "grotesque" levels of inequality, it was in the end a "moral choice" whether they wanted to stay in the UK or leave, he added.
What are the other parties proposing on tax?
The Tories, Lib Dems and Labour all say they would take advantage of low interest rates to borrow money to invest in infrastructure.
Labour and the Lib Dems would also increase corporation tax, while the Conservatives have scrapped a plan to reduce it.
Labour says it would increase taxes on the top 5% of earners, those taking home £80,000 a year or more, although Mr Corbyn has conceded that some people on low incomes could also pay more tax under the party's plans.
The Conservatives have pledged to freeze National Insurance, income tax and VAT rates and promised a tax cut in their first Budget by increasing the National Insurance threshold, so workers will not have to pay it until they earn £9,500.
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn will tour Labour target seats in the south of England.
Meanwhile, SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon said she was confident an agreement on another Scottish independence vote could be done with Labour, if it needed her party's support to form a government in the event of a hung parliament.
But Mr Corbyn has ruled out supporting a Scottish independence referendum until after the next Holyrood election in 2021.
As the parties begin their final push for votes, the Liberal Democrats are pledging to table legislation to stop Brexit immediately after the election by introducing two draft bills they say would pave the way for another EU referendum.
'Market forces'
Labour is proposing a big increase in spending on public services and social security, to be funded by higher taxes on companies and better-off workers, plus government borrowing.
It is also planning to take train companies, Royal Mail, the water industry, and the big six energy firms into public ownership - and part-privatise BT Openreach.
Speaking in London, Mr McDonnell said Labour's planned February Budget would mark "the date when almost ten years of cuts will come to an end".
He said: "In our first hundred days, we will start the process of bringing water and energy into public ownership.
"We'll set up boards to run them made up of you, the customer, and you, the worker, as well as representatives from local councils, metro mayors and others.
"We'll make sure decisions are taken locally by those who understand the services - those who use them and deliver them. Meetings will be public and streamed online with new transparency regulations set higher than ever before.
"So you can see if your road is being dug up, why, and for how long. And we'll create new People's Assemblies to hold these boards to account and give everyone the option of participating in how their utilities are run."
Labour's economic plan in 10 points
He also outlined Labour's plans to invest in green industries, skills training and regional development, attempting to reverse the decline of manufacturing and the growth of "dreary, exploitative, insecure and low-paid jobs".
'Destroying confidence'
He pledged that a National Transformation Fund Unit, based in the north of England, would be set up before Christmas.
His party also wants to set up a National Investment Bank - which also featured in the party's 2017 manifesto - which would have £250bn to lend, with a focus on small businesses whose work ties in to the government's industrial strategy.
Mr McDonnell defended his tax policy in the face of criticism from the telecoms tycoon John Caudwell, who said Labour's anti-billionaire rhetoric was "destroying confidence" and making wealthy people like him feel "almost like pariahs".
The Phones4u founder told Radio 4's Today programme that some within Labour "despised" success and its economic plans were driven by "envy", suggesting that droves of entrepreneurs would leave the country if Mr Corbyn won power.
In response, Mr McDonnell said his plans had been "exaggerated" by sections of the media.
While he hoped the rich accepted they had a social responsibility to address the UK's "grotesque" levels of inequality, it was in the end a "moral choice" whether they wanted to stay in the UK or leave, he added.
What are the other parties proposing on tax?
The Tories, Lib Dems and Labour all say they would take advantage of low interest rates to borrow money to invest in infrastructure.
Labour and the Lib Dems would also increase corporation tax, while the Conservatives have scrapped a plan to reduce it.
Labour says it would increase taxes on the top 5% of earners, those taking home £80,000 a year or more, although Mr Corbyn has conceded that some people on low incomes could also pay more tax under the party's plans.
The Conservatives have pledged to freeze National Insurance, income tax and VAT rates and promised a tax cut in their first Budget by increasing the National Insurance threshold, so workers will not have to pay it until they earn £9,500.
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50704546
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Jeremy Corbyn is too incompetent and he will most likely resign as Labour leader after the election defeat.
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You're making the assumption that all LD voters will switch to Labour, but I can tell you that plenty would switch to Tory to keep Corbyn out.
Nearly all the LD target seats are Tory-held and Labour has no chance in these. Unfortunately Labour will not stand down and are making it more likely that the Tory will win.
There is a Remain Alliance in place between LDs, Plaid Cymru, Greens, Tiggers and Inys in sixty seats, but Labour won't play.
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The people of Britain do not choose a leader based on their character which is the most important factor. They are fooled into economic factors which most don't understand.
Boris will win, otherwise there will be massive shock. No pro-Palestinian will become a leader of the UK or US.
Boris will win, otherwise there will be massive shock. No pro-Palestinian will become a leader of the UK or US.
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Labour and the Tories are focusing on key messages around the NHS and Brexit in the final days of the campaign.
While Labour talks about under-funding risks to patients, the Conservatives are promising an end to "gridlock".
But it is not all plain sailing, as a recording has been leaked of shadow health secretary Jonathan Ashworth criticising Labour's election chances.
And Boris Johnson is still facing criticism over his reaction to an image of a sick boy on a hospital floor.
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50715345
While Labour talks about under-funding risks to patients, the Conservatives are promising an end to "gridlock".
But it is not all plain sailing, as a recording has been leaked of shadow health secretary Jonathan Ashworth criticising Labour's election chances.
And Boris Johnson is still facing criticism over his reaction to an image of a sick boy on a hospital floor.
Party leaders are campaigning in key constituencies, with Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson telling campaigners in Bath that her message to stop Brexit was part of a "fight for the soul of our country".
She added: "This is about whether we are open or closed, generous or selfish, whether we reach out and work with others or pull up the drawbridge."
And the SNP is proposing legislation to protect the NHS in Scotland from "exploitative" trade deals, with Nicola Sturgeon warning Mr Johnson poses the greatest threat to Scotland of "any prime minister in modern times".
In other election developments:
Ms Sturgeon and other Scottish leaders will take part in a debate on BBC Scotland later
Nigel Farage has criticised Mr Johnson's Brexit deal, claiming it would lead to "years of agonising negotiations"
The Greens are focusing on a pledge to cancel student debt built up since 2012.
'On the brink'
Labour is pledging a "relentless focus" on the health service if it wins power after Thursday's poll, promising changes in the first 100 days.
The party says reports produced by NHS trusts in England this month show a health service "in crisis and on the brink".
An analysis it has conducted of more than 120 NHS trust board papers identified hundreds of risks to patient safety classed as "catastrophic" or "extreme".
The majority were linked to spending, staff shortages or failures of privatisation, the party said. It promised that a Labour government would conduct an immediate audit of the risks revealed.
The BBC's Reality Check team said the quotes from the NHS boards were genuine but did not give the nationwide picture, which was more mixed.
Labour Budget to 'end austerity' in first 100 days
Speaking in Carlisle, Mr Corbyn said there were four million people waiting for operations on the NHS, along with "a mental health care crisis and social care crisis".
He added: "I do not blame the nurses, I do not blame the doctors, I do not blame the health service.
"I blame the government that has underfunded our NHS."
However, the leaked recording of Mr Ashworth - which shows him telling a Tory activist friend the situation for Labour was "dire" and the party had made a mistake by not getting rid of Mr Corbyn as leader - has distracted from the campaign.
Mr Ashworth has insisted his apparent criticism of the Labour leader was "banter", telling the BBC's Victoria Derbyshire he was "joshing" when he told his friend that he thought there was no way Labour could win the election.
He also apologised to Labour members on BBC Politics Live.
Mr Corbyn said it was "not the sort of thing I would do", but claimed the story was "irrelevant" and Mr Ashworth was "making jokes".
He said the reports on the comments were "just trying to deflect away from the Tories' mess of the National Health Service".
'Clear and present' danger
The prime minister is trying to keep the focus on Brexit and the "danger" of another inconclusive result in Thursday's election.
Speaking at the JCB factory in Staffordshire, Mr Johnson said that without a working majority for the Conservatives it was "very hard to see" how the UK could leave the EU, and he was "fighting for every vote" to stop a hung Parliament.
He said backing him will allow the country to go forward, "punching through the current deadlock and achieving a brighter future together".
But there is distraction for the PM too, as he continued to face criticism over his response to a photograph of a four-year-old boy sleeping on the floor of a Leeds hospital due to a lack of beds.
On Monday, an ITV reporter tried to show Mr Johnson the picture on his phone, but the prime minister initially refused to look, before taking the device and putting it in his pocket. He later looked, returned the phone and apologised to the family.
Justice Secretary Robert Buckland told BBC Radio 4's Today programme on Tuesday that the "family want their privacy to be maintained" and for their son Jack "not to be used as a political football".
He said the prime minister expressed "sorrow and regret" for what he saw and apologised to the family, and Health Secretary Matt Hancock also went to Leeds to apologise.
There were a number of angry protesters outside the hospital who shouted at Mr Hancock and his team when they left.
Two sources told journalists that one of Mr Hancock's advisers had been punched by one of the activists, but footage later showed that had not happened and instead that the aide had walked into a protester's outstretched arm.
Challenged on the footage, Mr Buckland said he did not know "who briefed what to whom", adding "what I saw was a very confusing scene of public disorder".
Mr Corbyn has denied politicising Jack's case, but said the incident "says an awful lot about the NHS" and the "shortage of staff".
She added: "This is about whether we are open or closed, generous or selfish, whether we reach out and work with others or pull up the drawbridge."
And the SNP is proposing legislation to protect the NHS in Scotland from "exploitative" trade deals, with Nicola Sturgeon warning Mr Johnson poses the greatest threat to Scotland of "any prime minister in modern times".
In other election developments:
Ms Sturgeon and other Scottish leaders will take part in a debate on BBC Scotland later
Nigel Farage has criticised Mr Johnson's Brexit deal, claiming it would lead to "years of agonising negotiations"
The Greens are focusing on a pledge to cancel student debt built up since 2012.
'On the brink'
Labour is pledging a "relentless focus" on the health service if it wins power after Thursday's poll, promising changes in the first 100 days.
The party says reports produced by NHS trusts in England this month show a health service "in crisis and on the brink".
An analysis it has conducted of more than 120 NHS trust board papers identified hundreds of risks to patient safety classed as "catastrophic" or "extreme".
The majority were linked to spending, staff shortages or failures of privatisation, the party said. It promised that a Labour government would conduct an immediate audit of the risks revealed.
The BBC's Reality Check team said the quotes from the NHS boards were genuine but did not give the nationwide picture, which was more mixed.
Labour Budget to 'end austerity' in first 100 days
Speaking in Carlisle, Mr Corbyn said there were four million people waiting for operations on the NHS, along with "a mental health care crisis and social care crisis".
He added: "I do not blame the nurses, I do not blame the doctors, I do not blame the health service.
"I blame the government that has underfunded our NHS."
However, the leaked recording of Mr Ashworth - which shows him telling a Tory activist friend the situation for Labour was "dire" and the party had made a mistake by not getting rid of Mr Corbyn as leader - has distracted from the campaign.
Mr Ashworth has insisted his apparent criticism of the Labour leader was "banter", telling the BBC's Victoria Derbyshire he was "joshing" when he told his friend that he thought there was no way Labour could win the election.
He also apologised to Labour members on BBC Politics Live.
Mr Corbyn said it was "not the sort of thing I would do", but claimed the story was "irrelevant" and Mr Ashworth was "making jokes".
He said the reports on the comments were "just trying to deflect away from the Tories' mess of the National Health Service".
'Clear and present' danger
The prime minister is trying to keep the focus on Brexit and the "danger" of another inconclusive result in Thursday's election.
Speaking at the JCB factory in Staffordshire, Mr Johnson said that without a working majority for the Conservatives it was "very hard to see" how the UK could leave the EU, and he was "fighting for every vote" to stop a hung Parliament.
He said backing him will allow the country to go forward, "punching through the current deadlock and achieving a brighter future together".
But there is distraction for the PM too, as he continued to face criticism over his response to a photograph of a four-year-old boy sleeping on the floor of a Leeds hospital due to a lack of beds.
On Monday, an ITV reporter tried to show Mr Johnson the picture on his phone, but the prime minister initially refused to look, before taking the device and putting it in his pocket. He later looked, returned the phone and apologised to the family.
Justice Secretary Robert Buckland told BBC Radio 4's Today programme on Tuesday that the "family want their privacy to be maintained" and for their son Jack "not to be used as a political football".
He said the prime minister expressed "sorrow and regret" for what he saw and apologised to the family, and Health Secretary Matt Hancock also went to Leeds to apologise.
There were a number of angry protesters outside the hospital who shouted at Mr Hancock and his team when they left.
Two sources told journalists that one of Mr Hancock's advisers had been punched by one of the activists, but footage later showed that had not happened and instead that the aide had walked into a protester's outstretched arm.
Challenged on the footage, Mr Buckland said he did not know "who briefed what to whom", adding "what I saw was a very confusing scene of public disorder".
Mr Corbyn has denied politicising Jack's case, but said the incident "says an awful lot about the NHS" and the "shortage of staff".
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Almost there now...
t's the final day of campaigning, ahead of Thursday's general election
Jeremy Corbyn is working his way through six constituencies offering a "vote for hope" and attacking Tory "negativity"
Boris Johnson started in West Yorkshire before visiting Wales, insisting the Tories are the only party who can "get Brexit done"
Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson also tours Remain-supporting seats, urging voters to back her candidates to stop Brexit
The SNP's Nicola Sturgeon makes her final pitch in Edinburgh, Glasgow, Stirling and Dunbartonshire
Nigel Farage reaches out to Labour Leave voters and warns of the holes in Mr Johnson's Brexit deal
Plaid Cymru and the Greens also drive home their key messages
Polls will open at 07:00 GMT on Thursday and close at 22:00
t's the final day of campaigning, ahead of Thursday's general election
Jeremy Corbyn is working his way through six constituencies offering a "vote for hope" and attacking Tory "negativity"
Boris Johnson started in West Yorkshire before visiting Wales, insisting the Tories are the only party who can "get Brexit done"
Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson also tours Remain-supporting seats, urging voters to back her candidates to stop Brexit
The SNP's Nicola Sturgeon makes her final pitch in Edinburgh, Glasgow, Stirling and Dunbartonshire
Nigel Farage reaches out to Labour Leave voters and warns of the holes in Mr Johnson's Brexit deal
Plaid Cymru and the Greens also drive home their key messages
Polls will open at 07:00 GMT on Thursday and close at 22:00
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I wish it was Labour, but all the polls suggest otherwise. Unfortunately, the NHS will get worse, homelessness will get worse and the country in general will continue to be third-world in certain areas. It will be another 5 years + before we get out of this Tory mess.
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Hard to see anything other than a Tory Majority
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A not that big a majority could be an issue for Brexit.
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After all the mess created by Torries and their arrogant privileged politicians, an obviously untrustworthy PM. I don’t get that why are they leading in the polls?
Is it just Labour’s inability and Corbyn’s indecisiveness reg Brexit?
Is it just Labour’s inability and Corbyn’s indecisiveness reg Brexit?
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The reality is middle class and wanna be middle class white Britain will only vote Conservatives, they have now joined forces by the working and underclass who's only justification is that "Tory's will push Brexit through" with no real idea of what that really means exactly, just that it means sticking 2 fingers up at all immigrants in the country and to the rest of Europe.
Sad times, not saying Corbyn is a genuine common mans savior but just like dirty nappies, all politicians need changing regularly.
Sad times, not saying Corbyn is a genuine common mans savior but just like dirty nappies, all politicians need changing regularly.
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The UK is voting in a general election
Polls opened at 07:00 and will close at 22:00 tonight
Tory leader Boris Johnson, Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson and SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon have all voted
Broadcasters cannot report details of campaigning or election issues while the polls are open
A total of 650 MPs will be chosen under the first-past-the-post system
Polls opened at 07:00 and will close at 22:00 tonight
Tory leader Boris Johnson, Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson and SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon have all voted
Broadcasters cannot report details of campaigning or election issues while the polls are open
A total of 650 MPs will be chosen under the first-past-the-post system
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Not entirely true as about 20% of such persons vote Liberal Democrat.
But it is true that this is a Conservative country that occasionally votes Labour, if you take Blair and Brown out, Labour have been in charge for just 15 years out of the last 74.
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It could be an issue but most analysts are predicting a landslide victory for the Tories. But you never know with these predicted polls
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not exactly, its more like we are past communism and socialism which are out dated systems that have never worked - blair and brown had to drastically shift away from labour fundamentals to rule here and now ed and corby have put labour 100 years back.
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I voted Labour.
There were very long queues that stretched outside.
It was good to see a lot of people voting.
I don’t see Labour winning, Conservatives will win as usual.
There were very long queues that stretched outside.
It was good to see a lot of people voting.
I don’t see Labour winning, Conservatives will win as usual.
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