Who won the 1965 India-Pakistan War?

[FearlessRoar]

Pakistan started the war in April 1965 by launching a secret operation, 'Operation Gibraltar,' in Kashmir, which was controlled by India. This operation aimed to spark a rebellion in Kashmir but didn't work out as planned.

The war lasted from August 5 to September 23, 1965. Both India and Pakistan suffered significant losses.

The war was a brutal fight, but ultimately, it ended in a stalemate, with neither side achieving a decisive victory.

Pakistan suffered more from the war, losing substantial amounts of money and equipment. The United States and other Western countries also halted economic aid to Pakistan, severely impacting its economy and international standing, with effects still felt today.

The war ended with a ceasefire on September 23, 1965. The Tashkent Agreement, signed on January 10, 1966, officially ended the fighting, with both sides agreeing to return to pre-war positions. This agreement marked the end of the conflict.

Who would you call the winner in this war? Was there a clear winner in the 1965 India-Pakistan War?

 

[dubeTheGoat]

Didn't the ceasefire agreement resulted in status quo ante bellum (meaning no change to status quo)? I guess that would mean neither..

 

[FearlessRoar]

I think the Indian army wasn't as brave as Pakistan's, considering Pakistan had only around 200,000 soldiers participating in the war, whereas India had around 800,000 soldiers. Definitely, hats off to the Pakistan soldiers for their bravery.

But 1965 war was a big mistake. Pakistan's leaders thought they could win quickly and easily, but they were wrong. They didn't think India would fight back, but they did.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Didn't the ceasefire agreement resulted in status quo ante bellum (meaning no change to status quo)? I guess that would mean neither..

Status quo was maintained but since Pakistan initiated the war and failed to achieve its objectives then you can term it a victory for India

 

[HalBass9]

Who cares and why?

Irrelevant in 2024.

 

[mazkhan]

I think the Indian army wasn't as brave as Pakistan's, considering Pakistan had only around 200,000 soldiers participating in the war, whereas India had around 800,000 soldiers. Definitely, hats off to the Pakistan soldiers for their bravery.

But 1965 war was a big mistake. Pakistan's leaders thought they could win quickly and easily, but they were wrong. They didn't think India would fight back, but they did.

Not the army's fault if kashmiris in India didn't rise up and sat in their homes wearing bangles .

 

[gani999]

I think the Indian army wasn't as brave as Pakistan's, considering Pakistan had only around 200,000 soldiers participating in the war, whereas India had around 800,000 soldiers. Definitely, hats off to the Pakistan soldiers for their bravery.

But 1965 war was a big mistake. Pakistan's leaders thought they could win quickly and easily, but they were wrong. They didn't think India would fight back, but they did.

Wars are fought for a military objective. Winning the war means achieving the objective. Losing the war means not achieving the objective.
Pakistan started the 1965 war with a military objective, which they could not achieve.
So Pakistan lost the war, plain and simple.

 

[Hitman]

I've always believed that India would not have supported Mukti Bahini with arms and training if Pakistan didn't launch Operation Gibraltar. India's support to Mukti Bahini was a result of that.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Wars are fought for a military objective. Winning the war means achieving the objective. Losing the war means not achieving the objective.
Pakistan started the 1965 war with a military objective, which they could not achieve.
So Pakistan lost the war, plain and simple.

It's debatable who started the war as India first attacked the international border with goal of capturing Lahore and failed miserably in it. This way they lost the war.

 

[Hitman]

It's debatable who started the war as India first attacked the international border with goal of capturing Lahore and failed miserably in it. This way they lost the war.

I think he is speaking of Operation Gibraltar. It wasn't exactly the formal declaration war, but it sure was the first provocation.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Yep but it was on disputed Kashmir boundary

I think he is speaking of Operation Gibraltar. It wasn't exactly the formal declaration war, but it sure was the first provocation.

 

[Hitman]

Yep but it was on disputed Kashmir boundary

Yup! But then again even Kargil war started in disputed territory.

 

[RexRex]

 

[The Bald Eagle]

1965 war: Pivotal actions of Pakistani armed forces | The Express Tribune

The Express Tribune takes a look at some of the war's defining engagements

tribune.com.pk

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[FearlessRoar]

Who cares and why?

Irrelevant in 2024.

Those who forget history are forgotten by history.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It's debatable who started the war as India first attacked the international border with goal of capturing Lahore and failed miserably in it. This way they lost the war.

Pakistan attacked Kashmir by starting OP Gibraltar.

India just widened the war front to stretch the pakistani army.

Considering Pakistanis started the war to take Srinagar but had to run to save Lahore tells you how miserably they failed.

 

[RexRex]

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1965 war: Pivotal actions of Pakistani armed forces | The Express Tribune

The Express Tribune takes a look at some of the war's defining engagements

tribune.com.pk

Belated congratulations. You army is undefeatable

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Pakistan attacked Kashmir by starting OP Gibraltar.

India just widened the war front to stretch the pakistani army.

Considering Pakistanis started the war to take Srinagar but had to run to save Lahore tells you how miserably they failed.

Pakistan failed to rally local Kashmiris support in time although India failed in epic manner to teach Pak a lesson and capture Lahore. Also they lost the biggest tank war since the WW2 then in chamba, Sialkot sector.

 

[sweep_shot]

I believe it was a stalemate. Nobody won.

 

[deltexas]

Indo-Pakistani war of 1965 - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

As this is a pak forum- it will be viewed with green tinted lenses. See the above link for the info. Pak initiated the war and lost badly . Pak was the aggressor. Still continuing to this day instead of developing their own country. No wonder pak has a perpetual imf begging bowl.

 

[deltexas]

I believe it was a stalemate. Nobody won.

See above post..

 

[Vikram1989]

http://beta.dawn.com/news/155474/nur-khan-reminisces-65-war

Air marshal in Pakistan news paper accepting its a failure and victory was lie

 

[Bhaijaan]

The streak started in 1965.

 

[BouncerGuy]

A war cannot be termed as won or lost.

The only thing that we can say is that Human Beings have died because of this war. Wars are never the way to go because it brings chaos and death only.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yep but it was on disputed Kashmir boundary

There was a UN mediated ceasefire. Once you break that, its open war.

Pakistan failed to rally local Kashmiris support in time although India failed in epic manner to teach Pak a lesson and capture Lahore. Also they lost the biggest tank war since the WW2 then in chamba, Sialkot sector.

India's war was defensive. Its objective was to force Pakistani army to withdraw from Kashmir. They successfully did it.They also Captured the strategic Haji Pir pass.

Though India didn't capture Lahore, India was able to capture huge tracts of land in Sialkot Lahore sector, Pakistan in comparison was able to capture much lesser territory.

Coming to the tank battle,

There were three major tank battles,

Battle of Phillora: Indian victory

Battle of Chawinda: Pakistani victory

Battle of Asal Uttar: Indian victory

Many dont know but Pakistan had both numerical and qualitative advantage over India in Armoured divisions.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Today is Pakistan Navy Day! We remember the brave attack on India's Dwarka base in 1965. Pakistan's navy showed its strength and protected the country. What do you think about this important event?

 

[Rajdeep]

Pakistan is 0-4 in wars and 0-8 in cricket world cups against India.

Wars:
1948 (Kashmir) - Winner India
1965 (Kashmir/Rajasthan) - Winner India
1971 (East Pakistan) - Winner India
1999 (Kargil) - Winner India

World Cups:
1992 Sydney - Winner India
1996 Bangalore - Winner India
1999 Manchester - Winner India
2003 Centurion - Winner India
2011 Mohali - Winner India
2015 Adelaide - Winner India
2019 Manchester - Winner India
2023 Ahmedabad - Winner India


Embarrassing record this.

 

[RexRex]

Pakistan is 0-4 in wars and 0-8 in cricket world cups against India.

Wars:
1948 (Kashmir) - Winner India
1965 (Kashmir/Rajasthan) - Winner India
1971 (East Pakistan) - Winner India
1999 (Kargil) - Winner India

World Cups:
1992 Sydney - Winner India
1996 Bangalore - Winner India
1999 Manchester - Winner India
2003 Centurion - Winner India
2011 Mohali - Winner India
2015 Adelaide - Winner India
2019 Manchester - Winner India
2023 Ahmedabad - Winner India


Embarrassing record this.

That's an awful record.

However I would count 1948 as a victory for Pakistan .. given that they stole half of Kashmir, the whole of which was supposed to be Indian territory.

 

[Rajdeep]

That's an awful record.

However I would count 1948 as a victory for Pakistan .. given that they stole half of Kashmir, the whole of which was supposed to be Indian territory.

Nope, they lost that battle too. It was the closest they came to beat India though like the 1992 WC

Rest of the wars are one sided affairs. The 1971 one was akin to the phainta we dished them in 2023 world cup in Shri Narendra Modi ji stadium