Who would win a potential India-Pakistan knockout clash in the 2023 World Cup?

[IAJ]

Yesterday India fielded almost it's best possible team, good for them, but with so much cricket coming up they have to rotate the bowlers or some key bowlers will get injured, that is the part of the game.

And India with or without Bumrah are two different teams, they depend too much on him, he set's the tone and then the rest of the bowlers also bowl well. So let's see how they fare at home.

I have a feeling indian wickets will suit pakistani batsmen and even bowlers, but India clear favourites.

 

[Thanos]

New day, new game. Any team can win.
Pak was everyone's favourite for Asia and world cup but now opinions have changed.
All of a sudden fans thinking Pak has so many questions to answer whereas India has a balanced team.

One defeat and India may end up in same conundrum like Pak is now. Probably after Ind-Aus series. But I hope not after Ind-Pak encounter in WC. Lol

 

[Bewal Express]

how do you state two contradicting statements in the same sentence brother? india are vulnerable, and their bowling will be a handful?

India is vulnerable because their batting doesn't feel or look right. No doubt the bat deep but let's see how the ageing stars do under pressure. The bowling looks good but in Ind conditions they took can be taken to the cleaners

 

[Mesozoic]

People are getting carried away by India win in Asia cup. Before Asia Cup even Indians weren't too positive about India winning the tournament.

Indian defeat really seem to have dent Pakistani fans confidence on Pakistani team. Despite all the worry and cries, I think Pakistan will win the game against India come World Cup. India aren't formidable and have rather been an average team in majority of recent past international tournaments, been a major chokers when it matters the most so why the fuss and cries? If Pakistan doesnt hit the panic then they can convincingly beat India, or even thrash India like in CT or T20 wc style

India have been choking in tournaments since 2013 and still have won 6 out of the 8 games against Pakistan in ICC events in that period. 11 out of 15 if you include Asia Cup as well...

Love your confidence though...

 

[ssuhaide]

Pakistan won't beat anyone in a knock out game. When was the last time they beat someone in a World Cup knock out round ? A rubbishy West Indies side in 2011 ? before that a workmanlike New Zealand side in 1999 ? Its not in their DNA to perform in crunch matches so doesn't matter its its India or any other opponent they are getting humbled. Not that they will make it to the Semi Finals.

 

[Kriketer]

India have been choking in tournaments since 2013 and still have won 6 out of the 8 games against Pakistan in ICC events in that period. 11 out of 15 if you include Asia Cup as well...

Love your confidence though...

A few wins have been a royal thrashing for India so what makes you think Pakistan can't repeat the same? Over confident Indians have been humbled many times now in big rournaments, their cockiness is the reason why their team chokes when it matters the most. Start winning tournaments excluding Asia cup, until then you aren't any better while going into tournaments. Getting labeled as favorites by a few Pakistani fans wouldn't win you tournaments, these Pakistani fans fuss and cries are typical and I have seen it on Pakpassion for far too long when team losses, mental midget like the team at times.

India isn't formidable and can be thrashed so ofcourse my confidence is there. You recently lost to Bangladesh, and a series against lowly West indies, ya tell us how it was your C team or Z team.

 

[Mesozoic]

A few wins have been a royal thrashing for India so what makes you think Pakistan can't repeat the same? Over confident Indians have been humbled many times now in big rournaments, their cockiness is the reason why their team chokes when it matters the most. Start winning tournaments excluding Asia cup, until then you aren't any better while going into tournaments. Getting labeled as favorites by a few Pakistani fans wouldn't win you tournaments, these Pakistani fans fuss and cries are typical and I have seen it on Pakpassion for far too long when team losses, mental midget like the team at times.

India isn't formidable and can be thrashed so ofcourse my confidence is there. You recently lost to Bangladesh, and a series against lowly West indies, ya tell us how it was your C team or Z team.

Good for you brother. I like your optimism.


I was just refuting your claim that India chokes under pressure and that's why they'll lose to Pakistan. No matter what you shout out here's, reality is that India have thrashed Pakistan 6 out of the 8 times in ICC events in the last decade and many more during the Asia Cup as well. Even Sri Lanka has managed to beat us on odd occasions so Pakistan has as much chance of beating India as Sri Lanka...

India losing to Bangladesh and WI (in a different format) by testing out bench strength says absolutely nothing. We would rather lose by testing out our bench than to play a full strength side even against Netherlands only to end up with no options ahead of the world cup.

 

[Kriketer]

Good for you brother. I like your optimism.


I was just refuting your claim that India chokes under pressure and that's why they'll lose to Pakistan. No matter what you shout out here's, reality is that India have thrashed Pakistan 6 out of the 8 times in ICC events in the last decade and many more during the Asia Cup as well. Even Sri Lanka has managed to beat us on odd occasions so Pakistan has as much chance of beating India as Sri Lanka...

India losing to Bangladesh and WI (in a different format) by testing out bench strength says absolutely nothing. We would rather lose by testing out our bench than to play a full strength side even against Netherlands only to end up with no options ahead of the world cup.

Don't worry brother. I was only referring to India as chokers based on exiting from tournaments without winning in last decade across formats despite it being labeled as "O the favorites", "O the best" by their fans

And yes Pakistan has lost more against India but the wins they had, two of those were absolute thrashing, one came against the most solid ODI team India ever had, and seeing how we packed your top order in just a game before (before Babar came to rescue India by giving the ball to spinners) tells it's pretty much doable, unless that was your bench strength being tested as well? Can't be as they went merry in the following game.

You aren't a formidable side, don't get too carried away by Asia win. We vividly recall Indian fans panicking and writing off India before Asia cup. India has a good team but put them under pressure and they will crumble like their choker tag in big tournaments.

 

[Mesozoic]

Don't worry brother. I was only referring to India as chokers based on exiting from tournaments without winning in last decade across formats despite it being labeled as "O the favorites", "O the best" by their fans

And yes Pakistan has lost more against India but the wins they had, two of those were absolute thrashing, one came against the most solid ODI team India ever had, and seeing how we packed your top order in just a game before (before Babar came to rescue India by giving the ball to spinners) tells it's pretty much doable, unless that was your bench strength being tested as well? Can't be as they went merry in the following game.

You aren't a formidable side, don't get too carried away by Asia win. We vividly recall Indian fans panicking and writing off India before Asia cup. India has a good team but put them under pressure and they will crumble like their choker tag in big tournaments.

Stop getting emotional and read the thread title , bhai jaan.

It's not about India "exiting" or not, it's about who will win the Indo-Pak world Cup game. This "choking under pressure" dumb argument sounds out of context because India are always expected to win against Pakistan (esp in World Cups) since 2003. And tell you what...they did not disappoint 9 out of 10 times.

And lol at Babar rescuing India in the first game...I guess he also rescued us by getting his stumps cleaned up by Pandya in the second game.

 

[Kriketer]

Stop getting emotional and read the thread title , bhai jaan.

It's not about India "exiting" or not, it's about who will win the Indo-Pak world Cup game. This "choking under pressure" dumb argument sounds out of context because India are always expected to win against Pakistan (esp in World Cups) since 2003. And tell you what...they did not disappoint 9 out of 10 times.

And lol at Babar rescuing India in the first game...I guess he also rescued us by getting his stumps cleaned up by Pandya in the second game.

What does past 10 years stats have anything to do with upcoming games? I mean india was absolutely thrashed in the two games in that period as well against Pakistan, one of them a major final thrashing India finally started winning for a change in 2000s or else it was always a one sided affair as stats say it even after winning so many in last 15-20 years against Pakistan, India is still behind in overall wins so that's how bad you were historically thrashing wise. Stop weeping over it as India certainly aren't favorite to win either against Pakistan or to win the Cup, as I said in the first Asia game against Pakistan those stumps cleaning and dug out walk of Indian top order was well visible.

They both equally got a chance so don't sweat over it too much, if a game before were to be a repeat with your batsmen falling down like a club team then your emotions ll get the better of you, so relax and wait till the game actually happens. And yes a choker tag is just a reminder to stay humble and how your team overall performs in major tournaments

 

[Mamoon]

King Kohli to own Pakistan for the billionth time?

Has any other player played so many match-winnings innings against one team? I can’t think of anyone off the top of my head, especially when you consider that all of these innings came in tournaments not bilaterals.

 

[Mamoon]

What does past 10 years stats have anything to do with upcoming games? I mean india was absolutely thrashed in the two games in that period as well against Pakistan, one of them a major final thrashing India finally started winning for a change in 2000s or else it was always a one sided affair as stats say it even after winning so many in last 15-20 years against Pakistan, India is still behind in overall wins so that's how bad you were historically thrashing wise. Stop weeping over it as India certainly aren't favorite to win either against Pakistan or to win the Cup, as I said in the first Asia game against Pakistan those stumps cleaning and dug out walk of Indian top order was well visible.

They both equally got a chance so don't sweat over it too much, if a game before were to be a repeat with your batsmen falling down like a club team then your emotions ll get the better of you, so relax and wait till the game actually happens. And yes a choker tag is just a reminder to stay humble and how your team overall performs in major tournaments

This is what delusion looks like.

India are 80-20 favorites for this match. Pre Asia Cup, it would have been 60-40 but Pakistan will carry the bruises of the record breaking humiliation into the World Cup.

There is simply not enough time in-between for Pakistan to mentally recover. India to continue its 100% record in ODI World Cups head to head while Pakistan will try to find comfort in a 6 year old CT final and the historic head to head record that has no relevance anymore.

 

[RainStopsPlay]

King Kohli to own Pakistan for the billionth time?

Oh, it's truly a sight to behold, the way Virat Kohli single-handedly terrorizes Pakistan. I mean, who needs to worry about an entire team when you have Kohli in the lineup, right? It's almost laughable how Pakistan meticulously plan their strategies, their bowlers toil endlessly in the nets, and their management pours over endless stats, all for one man - Kohli.

You'd think that with all their preparation, they'd stand a chance, but alas, Kohli has them wrapped around his little finger. It's as if he has some sort of mystical power over them. Even the great Sachin Tendulkar didn't quite have the same impact on Pakistan in his heyday. Kohli has taken it to a whole new level.

And when Kohli starts scoring runs, well, that's when the fun truly begins. The poor Pakistani fielders must feel like they're in a comedy show. They drop catches that a five-year-old could catch with their eyes closed, and their misfields are a spectacle in themselves. As for their existential crises, well, who wouldn't question the meaning of life when Kohli is busy making mincemeat out of their bowlers?

But let's not forget the pièce de résistance - once Kohli reaches that magic 50-run mark, it's like a doomsday scenario for Pakistan. They know he's in his element, and they might as well start writing their wills because their bowlers are about to be devoured alive. It's almost like Kohli has a psychological hold over them, reducing them to mere mortals in front of his cricketing prowess.

Yes, indeed, Pakistan turns into a bunch of quivering, scared kittens when Kohli is at the crease. It's almost too easy for him, isn't it? One can only imagine the nightmares they must have about facing Kohli in their sleep. But hey, who can blame them? After all, when Kohli bats, it's not just cricket; it's a masterclass and Pakistan is the unwilling audience.

 

[Devadwal]

No one is favourite in mega event

 

[Mesozoic]

What does past 10 years stats have anything to do with upcoming games? I mean india was absolutely thrashed in the two games in that period as well against Pakistan, one of them a major final thrashing India finally started winning for a change in 2000s or else it was always a one sided affair as stats say it even after winning so many in last 15-20 years against Pakistan, India is still behind in overall wins so that's how bad you were historically thrashing wise. Stop weeping over it as India certainly aren't favorite to win either against Pakistan or to win the Cup, as I said in the first Asia game against Pakistan those stumps cleaning and dug out walk of Indian top order was well visible.

They both equally got a chance so don't sweat over it too much, if a game before were to be a repeat with your batsmen falling down like a club team then your emotions ll get the better of you, so relax and wait till the game actually happens. And yes a choker tag is just a reminder to stay humble and how your team overall performs in major tournaments

Lmao what on earth are you on about?


I brought up the 10 years stats because you pointed out that India's 'choking under pressure' will have some sort of effect on their game against Pakistan in the world cup. And that so called choking started after 2013. Which was....yes you guessed it right (or not) 10 years ago. And even with that so choking under pressure factor, India has smashed Pakistan 6 out of the 8 times in ICC events.

And lol at beating your chest over picking 4 wickets for 66 in a washed out game which we most probably would have won after ending up with 266. Looks like the 228 run mauling disturbed you a bit. Go take a breather ...

 

[Mesozoic]

This is what delusion looks like.

India are 80-20 favorites for this match. Pre Asia Cup, it would have been 60-40 but Pakistan will carry the bruises of the record breaking humiliation into the World Cup.

There is simply not enough time in-between for Pakistan to mentally recover. India to continue its 100% record in ODI World Cups head to head while Pakistan will try to find comfort in a 6 year old CT final and the historic head to head record that has no relevance anymore.

Looks like it's the case even for the fans...not just the players..


Some of the cope i have seen after that 2-day humiliation is just at an another level. "We had to travel" , "we forgot how to play cricket on reserve day", "outfield was bad" (even though India was the fielding side) , "Jay Shah did kaala jaadu"....

 

[mikeypbadana86]

Kohli still holds the key to Indias chances. If Pak bats first and puts 290+ i give 60:40 chance to them. If india bats first or even chasing 280, its 60:40 India.Pak's batting with babar,inftikar,imama,shaud shafeek is not relying on one batter.

 

[Kriketer]

This is what delusion looks like.

India are 80-20 favorites for this match. Pre Asia Cup, it would have been 60-40 but Pakistan will carry the bruises of the record breaking humiliation into the World Cup.

There is simply not enough time in-between for Pakistan to mentally recover. India to continue its 100% record in ODI World Cups head to head while Pakistan will try to find comfort in a 6 year old CT final and the historic head to head record that has no relevance anymore.

Not sure what that 100% record mean when India rarely lifts the cup. It's just another team in the world cup and yes ofcourse overall stats do matter as that tells you the story who smoked whom each time they played against one another. O you are from the crowd that believes overall stats mean nothing and it's about only world cup...one can only face-palm at such comical take because deep down we know those stats hurt your types.

Just a game before Pakistan had India railing early and all the mighty you sing daily songs about were back in the hut so there's no reason why Pakistan can't repeat the same. One recent bad Pakistan game and your likes have gone merry over it. Don't forget your beloved team lost to Bangladesh in Asia cup and lost a series against WI, quite humiliating... ya give us the excuse of C team, different format etc. Point is they can be beaten. Only advantage India has is it's in India so 51%-49% is how fairly one can put it in India's favor since its at their home. If Pak bats first then Pak win chances will be higher. You went missing after 152/0 drubbing and you had similar take before the game, you were made to eat your words so relax and don't get too carried away in your delusions

 

[Kriketer]

Lmao what on earth are you on about?


I brought up the 10 years stats because you pointed out that India's 'choking under pressure' will have some sort of effect on their game against Pakistan in the world cup. And that so called choking started after 2013. Which was....yes you guessed it right (or not) 10 years ago. And even with that so choking under pressure factor, India has smashed Pakistan 6 out of the 8 times in ICC events.

And lol at beating your chest over picking 4 wickets for 66 in a washed out game which we most probably would have won after ending up with 266. Looks like the 228 run mauling disturbed you a bit. Go take a breather ...

Don't sweat over it. You just couldn't handle the terms "India could get thrashed" which is well a possibility based on earlier assements where Pakistan was written off and then only to come out winning big. There is always that overall head to head stats to keep your types grounded as well. Now tell us how those historical stats mean nothing but historical WC stats of India against Pakistan mean everything

For your nerves I ll make it more appropriate I guess that India can be beaten instead of get thrashed, so you can catch a breather. It should be a good game, even if Pakistan loses their main focus should be on lifting the world cup. India is just another team in the tournament

 

[Mesozoic]

Don't sweat over it. You just couldn't handle the terms "India could get thrashed" which is well a possibility based on earlier assements where Pakistan was written off and then only to come out winning big. There is always that overall head to head stats to keep your types grounded as well. Now tell us how those historical stats mean nothing but historical WC stats of India against Pakistan mean everything

For your nerves I ll make it more appropriate I guess that India can be beaten instead of get thrashed, so you can catch a breather. It should be a good game, even if Pakistan loses their main focus should be on lifting the world cup. India is just another team in the tournament

Only thing I couldn't handle is my laughter thanks to your desperate mental gymnastics on this thread so far. Hilarious how you went from "Pakistan will thrash India because they thrashed you in 1 out of the last 7 games while getting pasted in the rest" to "It'll be 51-49 for India and it'll be a good game and Pakistan may lose focus".

Love how you say "India is just another team" when clearly you still seem rattled by that 228 run humiliation seeing you bring up that useless head to head record and all.....as I said take a breather and come back again...

 

[Hitman]

For those chest thumping about Pakistan superior head to head record against India in ODI's, it'll remain in Pakistan's favour for another 10-15 years even if India wins every time both the teams meet. You want to celebrate that irrespective of how your team does in those years?

 

[Rajdeep]

Past records in India vs Pak matches has no relevance. It is about that particular day the team that handles the pressure well will win. India will obviously be under more pressure considering it will be played at home, infront of biggest stadium in the world with 130k thousand fans in attendance. It doesn't matter how many games you played or years of experience you have, in that situation you will feel pressure. And nerves can makes you do strange things. What if I fail, what if I get out...that feeling will always be there in the stomach.

Pakistan on the other hand will approach this game as nothing to lose. They would knw most people in stadium will expect them to lose and do poorly. So they can play much more freely

 

[Nikhil_cric]

The pressure is all on India, England, Australia and RSA. These are clearly the 4 best sides going in. It will be disgraceful if one of them fails to qualify for semis and allows one of NZ/PAK to qualify ahead of them. Even bigger embarrassment if they then lose to PAK in the semis.

At this point, PAK winning the 2023 World Cup would be more surprising and a bigger upset than SL winning the Cup in 1996. PAK should play aggressively and fearlessly. They have nothing to lose in the cup.

 

[Mamoon]

Not sure what that 100% record mean when India rarely lifts the cup. It's just another team in the world cup and yes ofcourse overall stats do matter as that tells you the story who smoked whom each time they played against one another. O you are from the crowd that believes overall stats mean nothing and it's about only world cup...one can only face-palm at such comical take because deep down we know those stats hurt your types.

Just a game before Pakistan had India railing early and all the mighty you sing daily songs about were back in the hut so there's no reason why Pakistan can't repeat the same. One recent bad Pakistan game and your likes have gone merry over it. Don't forget your beloved team lost to Bangladesh in Asia cup and lost a series against WI, quite humiliating... ya give us the excuse of C team, different format etc. Point is they can be beaten. Only advantage India has is it's in India so 51%-49% is how fairly one can put it in India's favor since its at their home. If Pak bats first then Pak win chances will be higher. You went missing after 152/0 drubbing and you had similar take before the game, you were made to eat your words so relax and don't get too carried away in your delusions

51-49 hahahahahahahahahahaha.

I will bump this thread and this post when Pakistan inevitably lose again. Keep dreaming till then.

 

[Kriketer]

51-49 hahahahahahahahahahaha.

I will bump this thread and this post when Pakistan inevitably lose again. Keep dreaming till then.

Sure you can, I will be here regardless of result. You tend to go missing from threads which come back biting you be it cricket or politics so we sure know how you will react, you are quite well known for that quality here.

Only point is don't completely write off Pakistan the way you and few others are beating their chest based on one recent game. Other padosi posts are more reasonable and realistic with the assessment other than Musioz guy who couldn't handle the term 'thrashing'. Pakistan been playing good limited over cricket other than odd games, have been # 1 team per ranking and before you bring up few minnows series, Pakistan did beat Australia last year in ODI series and this being in similar flat tracks of India, Pakistan is easily among top 3 to even make the final.

 

[Rana]

Not sure what that 100% record mean when India rarely lifts the cup. It's just another team in the world cup and yes ofcourse overall stats do matter as that tells you the story who smoked whom each time they played against one another. O you are from the crowd that believes overall stats mean nothing and it's about only world cup...one can only face-palm at such comical take because deep down we know those stats hurt your types.

Just a game before Pakistan had India railing early and all the mighty you sing daily songs about were back in the hut so there's no reason why Pakistan can't repeat the same. One recent bad Pakistan game and your likes have gone merry over it. Don't forget your beloved team lost to Bangladesh in Asia cup and lost a series against WI, quite humiliating... ya give us the excuse of C team, different format etc. Point is they can be beaten. Only advantage India has is it's in India so 51%-49% is how fairly one can put it in India's favor since its at their home. If Pak bats first then Pak win chances will be higher. You went missing after 152/0 drubbing and you had similar take before the game, you were made to eat your words so relax and don't get too carried away in your delusions

Omg how does Pakistan have a 49% chance to win in India against India?

None of these players have ever stepped foot in India to play cricket!

 

[Kriketer]

Omg how does Pakistan have a 49% chance to win in India against India?

None of these players have ever stepped foot in India to play cricket!

Do Indians grounds have less gravity or extreme temperatures? Is it on a different planet? I fail to see the connection. And we are not talking about South African or Australian pitches, it's subcontinent so similar conditions. Ahmadabad is a highway so our players will be fine.

I have never been a typical doom and gloom fan of subcontinent. Had India lost to Pakistan and lost Asia cup, their fans would have been exactly reacting like ours, regardless of India being a solid contender within India to win it.

 

[MenInG]

Kamran Akmal on his YT channel as per HT

“Mohammed Shami is on the bench, he doesn't play in this XI. That shows you it's a complete bowling unit. Virat Kohli, Rohit Sharma are in form, Shubman Gill scored a century recently, so it looks a solid batting unit. I'll just say that for the match we have on October 14, Pakistan team need to plan really well to put them under pressure,”

“If they play with the same mentality as the Asia Cup, and the way we played for the past three years, they're going to get thrashed badly. They need to prepare really well.”

 

[mikeypbadana86]

The pressure is all on India, England, Australia and RSA. These are clearly the 4 best sides going in. It will be disgraceful if one of them fails to qualify for semis and allows one of NZ/PAK to qualify ahead of them. Even bigger embarrassment if they then lose to PAK in the semis.

At this point, PAK winning the 2023 World Cup would be more surprising and a bigger upset than SL winning the Cup in 1996. PAK should play aggressively and fearlessly. They have nothing to lose in the cup.

Playing with deadrubber/nothing to loose is next to impossible since PAK considers itself as one of the title contetnders. SL/BAN sure can play with "nothing to loose approach"