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Why are men allowed four wives in Islam?

Shame, thread was hijacked by Islamophobes leading to a lot of mud slinging.

The debating should be done in a civilised manner but its nearly impossible when you have people entering just to throw insults and steer topic towards their own agenda.

It would be beneficial for everyone concerned that those entering just to cause trouble without adding anything to the debate should stay away and let others discuss in a fruitful manner.
 
Khan12 said:
Oh yes let's learn Islam from islamobhobes right. Next time learn education from an illetrate.
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Islamophobes are posting from Islamic websites. If you don’t agree, then disprove them with your posts instead of just name calling.
 
Lurker_Ind said:
Islamophobes are posting from Islamic websites. If you don’t agree, then disprove them with your posts instead of just name calling.
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There's loads of these types of websites as I'm sure there are for other religions. No one needs to go around disapproving anything.
 
Khan12 said:
Oh yes let's learn Islam from islamobhobes right. Next time learn education from an illetrate.
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If this is the outcome of Islamic teachings and its values, then I must say it's very disappointing.

It just points towards arguments made by the Muslims leaving Islam where they write about how the religion restricts your thought process and you become so intolerant, that personal attacks become common which is against what Islam teaches in the first place.
 
Lurker_Ind said:
Islamophobes are posting from Islamic websites. If you don’t agree, then disprove them with your posts instead of just name calling.
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Islamophobes are curating their material to present information in a deliberately negative manner which removes all context. It would be easy to fill PakPassion with horrific stories of rape and misogyny in India culled from Indian news sites, and link them to hindu scriptures. Do you think that would be instructive?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Islamophobes are curating their material to present information in a deliberately negative manner which removes all context. It would be easy to fill PakPassion with horrific stories of rape and misogyny in India culled from Indian news sites, and link them to hindu scriptures. Do you think that would be instructive?
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That would be instructive and will be a good discussion.
 
CricketCartoons said:
My fellow indians may not be able to digest it, but since when did truth become a hostage to how others would feel about it?
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But as on previous attempts, their refusal to engage will mean there is no good discussion as per your very reasonable wish.
 
The Verse was revealed as a result of many women becoming widows & orphans due to wars. Society of Arabia in those days were harsh to women & orphans who had no father or a husband. Thus Muslims were instructed to take care of the orphans after that and if they couldn't then they were allowed to marry up to four women to better take care of the orphans and widows. If there were fears that they couldn't maintain justice among four then they were instructed to marry only one.
 
ishtiaq_ctg said:
The Verse was revealed as a result of many women becoming widows & orphans due to wars. Society of Arabia in those days were harsh to women & orphans who had no father or a husband. Thus Muslims were instructed to take care of the orphans after that and if they couldn't then they were allowed to marry up to four women to better take care of the orphans and widows. If there were fears that they couldn't maintain justice among four then they were instructed to marry only one.
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So instead of teaching the society to treat widow and orphans better, the religion brought a whole another aspect of marrying four wives.... It's called manipulative exploitation based upon existing circumstances.
 
KingKhanWC said:
lol it doesnt mean you can rape them by force.

There are many other texts which show you must be gentle towards the wife.

Your understanding of Islam is childish and idiotic.
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Right, so tell me in which Islamic country is marital rape considered a crime
 
Madplayer said:
I'm not expert on laws of inheritence but I think you're a bit unfair here. As an accepted norm in Islamic societies, the woman is also a wife and has a share in her husband's wealth apart from the share of inheritence from her parents. It kind of evens out in the end. Yes you could argue that what if a woman doesn't marry? Then she obviously is in a disadvantageous position in terms of what she gets. However, an unmarried woman is not a norm in an Islamic society and laws are always bent towards the norm.
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A childless Muslim widow is entitled to one-fourth of the property of the deceased husband, after meeting his funeral and legal expenses and debts. However, a widow who has children or grandchildren is entitled to one-eighth of the deceased husband's property. If a Muslim man marries during an illness and subsequently dies of that medical condition without brief recovery or consummating the marriage, his widow has no right of inheritance.
 
Itachi said:
So instead of teaching the society to treat widow and orphans better, the religion brought a whole another aspect of marrying four wives.... It's called manipulative exploitation based upon existing circumstances.
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You are discussing a different era. You have to remember that if we go back in time, then hindu women were expected to climb into their husband's funeral pyre, and this was happening in the not too distant past in India.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
You are discussing a different era. You have to remember that if we go back in time, then hindu women were expected to climb into their husband's funeral pyre, and this was happening in the not too distant past in India.
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How two wrongs make it correct? That was wrong. This was wrong.
 
Why are men allowed four wives? It is what it is. It is the ruling.

No man is forced to have four wives. But, if he wants to, he can go for it.
 
sweep_shot said:
Why are men allowed four wives? It is what it is. It is the ruling.

No man is forced to have four wives. But, if he wants to, he can go for it.
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In my view, the sort of equality in treatment that men with more than one wife are suppose to practice between his spouses is not attainable by any of us. The Rasool PBUH was the only one who could do that and we know his status well.

Whilst 4 wives are allowed but no one can meet the requirements that were set out by the our piyaray Nabi PBUH
 
uberkoen said:
A childless Muslim widow is entitled to one-fourth of the property of the deceased husband, after meeting his funeral and legal expenses and debts. However, a widow who has children or grandchildren is entitled to one-eighth of the deceased husband's property. If a Muslim man marries during an illness and subsequently dies of that medical condition without brief recovery or consummating the marriage, his widow has no right of inheritance.
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To begin with, these are exceptional cases and not what you usually encounter but i understand the concern. What do these women get from their own parent's side? Have you looked into that? Add that with what they get from their husband's side.

I'll look into the last case which you mentioned. It looks interesting.
 
Itachi said:
So instead of teaching the society to treat widow and orphans better, the religion brought a whole another aspect of marrying four wives.... It's called manipulative exploitation based upon existing circumstances.
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Youre not even trying to think here :))

Yes they should have brought civil servants to manage the hand outs of food, monetary support and shelter to widows and their kids in 7th century Arabia

And how could society take care of widow there is no way in hell everyday people will buy food for 3-4 widows and their kids and also provide monetary support

And this is the time when state barely collected taxes and it was only to fight wars smh that I have to explain these basic stuff to you...
 
Madplayer said:
To begin with, these are exceptional cases and not what you usually encounter but i understand the concern. What do these women get from their own parent's side? Have you looked into that? Add that with what they get from their husband's side.

I'll look into the last case which you mentioned. It looks interesting.
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The inheritance of a son is supposed to be double that of the daughter.

I’m on the phone but can look into it in more detail later with references if you need but in all scenarios the woman gets much less than the man
 
Bigboii said:
Youre not even trying to think here :))

Yes they should have brought civil servants to manage the hand outs of food, monetary support and shelter to widows and their kids in 7th century Arabia

And how could society take care of widow there is no way in hell everyday people will buy food for 3-4 widows and their kids and also provide monetary support

And this is the time when state barely collected taxes and it was only to fight wars smh that I have to explain these basic stuff to you...
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Carrying on in a place like Sudan where rapes are common and many men are dead with no state support for women to survive with their children

How can women survive? Someone explain
 
uberkoen said:
Right, so tell me in which Islamic country is marital rape considered a crime
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Islamic theogly is not the same as what some Muslim nations have as laws. You do know many are secular nations. Even a child knows you dont hurt women in any way if you follow Islamic principles.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Islamic theogly is not the same as what some Muslim nations have as laws. You do know many are secular nations. Even a child knows you dont hurt women in any way if you follow Islamic principles.
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I love answers like this. Islam isn’t what the majority of Muslims make it out to be and what majority of Muslims countries propose it to be.

No majority sect is right about Islam. No country has it right. No Mullah has it right

If everyone has it wrong what makes you so sure you have it right?
 
uberkoen said:
I love answers like this. Islam isn’t what the majority of Muslims make it out to be and what majority of Muslims countries propose it to be.

No majority sect is right about Islam. No country has it right. No Mullah has it right

If everyone has it wrong what makes you so sure you have it right?
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Please understand a simple difference between theology and human beings, both are not the same.

I advise you to learn the basics before you start to debate.
 
Despite this allowance, it must be stated that polygyny marriages are very rare. This also includes countries in which the practice is permitted.

It can be seen that that polygyny marriages were not unusual back in the time of the Prophet PBUH so when you think about it, it does make sense even if at first it comes as bit of a shock.
 
Kroll said:
Despite this allowance, it must be stated that polygyny marriages are very rare. This also includes countries in which the practice is permitted.

It can be seen that that polygyny marriages were not unusual back in the time of the Prophet PBUH so when you think about it, it does make sense even if at first it comes as bit of a shock.
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Only people who are really into it are strict wahabbis other people not so much

IMO 99% cant handle more than relationships (both from a religious and secular POV)
 
uberkoen said:
The inheritance of a son is supposed to be double that of the daughter.

I’m on the phone but can look into it in more detail later with references if you need but in all scenarios the woman gets much less than the man
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You are making it out to be very simple which it is not. The law of inheritence is based on a methadology and is the domain of experts who deal with the science of Al Fara'id and understand its basis, its subdivisions, its special cases, the rules of Awl and usbah, the laws of Usool of the Fara'id, Hajb wa Hirman etc.

For instance, there are only 4 cases where a male inherits two times the share of a female, there are many cases where a female inherits a share equal to that of a male, there are more than 10 cases where a woman inherits more than that of a male and there are cases where a woman inherits a share but the man inherits NOTHING (example a deceased woman's son's daughter gets 1/6th while her son's son is treated as a residuary and gets nothing)

In cases where the man gets more than the woman, the primary reason is that in an Islamic society, the man is considered as the one who has to bear the expenses of the family. Which means that if he gets double than that of a woman, he has a legal obligation to spend the amount on his family which includes any dependent women. Whereas even if the woman gets less than the man, she has no obligation to spend even a penny out of her share on anyone but herself. There are cases where the a deceased person's daughter gets a bigger share than that of the deceased person's father.

The laws of inheritence in Islam work within a context and a particular system of life where the man has to do the spending. You can reject the system altogether. That's your choice but within the system, the laws work just fine.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Islamophobes are curating their material to present information in a deliberately negative manner which removes all context. It would be easy to fill PakPassion with horrific stories of rape and misogyny in India culled from Indian news sites, and link them to hindu scriptures. Do you think that would be instructive?
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Deliberately presenting in negative way? The tafsir that was posted clearly says that women are your field and you can plow her at will. There is a Hadith that says that any woman that rejects her husband from having sex will be cursed by angels all night.
There is also a Hadith that says that majority of hell dwellers are women as they are deficient in their religion(due to menstrual cycles) and they are ungrateful to their husbands. There are hadiths that day that women are deficient in their brains.

All of the above hadiths I mentioned are authentic. There is no deliberate twisting of anything. The writings are plain and simple to understand. What you read is what they say.
 
Lurker_Ind said:
Deliberately presenting in negative way? The tafsir that was posted clearly says that women are your field and you can plow her at will. There is a Hadith that says that any woman that rejects her husband from having sex will be cursed by angels all night.
There is also a Hadith that says that majority of hell dwellers are women as they are deficient in their religion(due to menstrual cycles) and they are ungrateful to their husbands. There are hadiths that day that women are deficient in their brains.

All of the above hadiths I mentioned are authentic. There is no deliberate twisting of anything. The writings are plain and simple to understand. What you read is what they say.
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That is also correct
 
Lurker_Ind said:
Deliberately presenting in negative way? The tafsir that was posted clearly says that women are your field and you can plow her at will. There is a Hadith that says that any woman that rejects her husband from having sex will be cursed by angels all night.
There is also a Hadith that says that majority of hell dwellers are women as they are deficient in their religion(due to menstrual cycles) and they are ungrateful to their husbands. There are hadiths that day that women are deficient in their brains.

All of the above hadiths I mentioned are authentic. There is no deliberate twisting of anything. The writings are plain and simple to understand. What you read is what they say.
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You do know there are stories about the fairy god mother and the bogey man?
 
Lurker_Ind said:
Deliberately presenting in negative way? The tafsir that was posted clearly says that women are your field and you can plow her at will. There is a Hadith that says that any woman that rejects her husband from having sex will be cursed by angels all night.
There is also a Hadith that says that majority of hell dwellers are women as they are deficient in their religion(due to menstrual cycles) and they are ungrateful to their husbands. There are hadiths that day that women are deficient in their brains.

All of the above hadiths I mentioned are authentic. There is no deliberate twisting of anything. The writings are plain and simple to understand. What you read is what they say.
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My knowledge of hadiths isn't as extensive as many lurking Indians, I will admit, but even from those you have posted it is clear that everything is lost in translation and prejudicial predisposition. Just look at your first example how you have changed cultivating fields to giving them a good plowing. It is really pointless to debate with those who curate their information in such a manner.
 
Lurker_Ind said:
Deliberately presenting in negative way? The tafsir that was posted clearly says that women are your field and you can plow her at will. There is a Hadith that says that any woman that rejects her husband from having sex will be cursed by angels all night.
There is also a Hadith that says that majority of hell dwellers are women as they are deficient in their religion(due to menstrual cycles) and they are ungrateful to their husbands. There are hadiths that day that women are deficient in their brains.

All of the above hadiths I mentioned are authentic. There is no deliberate twisting of anything. The writings are plain and simple to understand. What you read is what they say.
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There's also a hadith that says don't have sex with your wife without foreplay so she becomes comfortable before sex

I don't think people are interested in making women comfortable if they're raping someone...
 
Lurker_Ind said:
Deliberately presenting in negative way? The tafsir that was posted clearly says that women are your field and you can plow her at will. There is a Hadith that says that any woman that rejects her husband from having sex will be cursed by angels all night.
There is also a Hadith that says that majority of hell dwellers are women as they are deficient in their religion(due to menstrual cycles) and they are ungrateful to their husbands. There are hadiths that day that women are deficient in their brains.

All of the above hadiths I mentioned are authentic. There is no deliberate twisting of anything. The writings are plain and simple to understand. What you read is what they say.
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Strange you havne't come across hundreds of hadiths and many verses in the Quran which give women rights over men and which inform men how to treat women with care?

Are there none?
 
Lurker_Ind said:
All of the above hadiths I mentioned are authentic. There is no deliberate twisting of anything. The writings are plain and simple to understand. What you read is what they say.
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My dear ‘true don,’ you already have your preconceived notions and you’re viewing everything through those lens. That’s all that there is to it, really.
 
sweep_shot said:
Why are men allowed four wives? It is what it is. It is the ruling.

No man is forced to have four wives. But, if he wants to, he can go for it.
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100% if it says it goes I have no interest in trying to find logic behind it or try to change/ bend the rules
If I believe there is God than I am acknowledging his greatness than there is no reason to find logic in what he says

like I said in my previous post

Bigboii said:
My philosophy is constitution and Quran are the most perfect documents to have ever existed and they transcend times and just like justices interoperate constitution its the job of Muftis to interoperate Quran and you can have different views on what it means but the fundamental rules are there for a reason and how I dare I question the fundamentals of these documents if it says it goes I don't give it a second thought on why its there ( sure interpretation can be something that you can question but not question the law never!)

Cause once you start going that route you can destroy the religion cause its not something that you can pick, choose or add if you start doing that this Beautiful building will collapse

I have a strict rule for myself to never question Quran since its far beyond my understanding as a person only think that can be questioned is the interpretation

(of course as a Muslim I hold Quran in a way higher regard than constitution because its the word of Allah)
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Whilst it is permissible technically, treating four wives equally is impossible. There is no way you can spend equal time with them, show the same love towards them, or spend the same money on each wife. The Quran makes it clear that you should only consider having more than one wife if you can treat them equally. Hence, I think having more than one wife is unjust since there is no way to treat them equally.
 
The Viper said:
Whilst it is permissible technically, treating four wives equally is impossible. There is no way you can spend equal time with them, show the same love towards them, or spend the same money on each wife. The Quran makes it clear that you should only consider having more than one wife if you can treat them equally. Hence, I think having more than one wife is unjust since there is no way to treat them equally.
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Maybe Quran should have not commented on having 4 wives to begin with. Having said that. Hardly anybody has more than 1 wife in the muslim world. Not an issue in practical life.
 
The Viper said:
Whilst it is permissible technically, treating four wives equally is impossible. There is no way you can spend equal time with them, show the same love towards them, or spend the same money on each wife. The Quran makes it clear that you should only consider having more than one wife if you can treat them equally. Hence, I think having more than one wife is unjust since there is no way to treat them equally.
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I disagree. Treating four wives equally is totally possible if you treat them equally badly, or if you have enough capacity to treat them equally well.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I disagree. Treating four wives equally is totally possible if you treat them equally badly, or if you have enough capacity to treat them equally well.
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:)) It would be far easier to treat them equally badly and much less work than trying to treat them nice equally.
 
Abdullah719 said:
My dear ‘true don,’ you already have your preconceived notions and you’re viewing everything through those lens. That’s all that there is to it, really.
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I am not a don. I have no preconceived notions. I read it for what it says including the tafsir you posted. If you want to do mental gymnastics in trying to give it a different meaning, by all means you can do it.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Please understand a simple difference between theology and human beings, both are not the same.

I advise you to learn the basics before you start to debate.
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What's the point of a religion if none of its followers are following it properly? This is a widespread excuse used by people like you and that is all this is: an excuse.

You're saying majority of the Muslims don't have the religion right and apparently only a handful of internet users like you have it right.

Isn't Ijma a huge concept of Sharia law? Isn't there Ijma on most laws that you keep saying 'are not correct and a misunderstanding'.
 
The Viper said:
Whilst it is permissible technically, treating four wives equally is impossible. There is no way you can spend equal time with them, show the same love towards them, or spend the same money on each wife. The Quran makes it clear that you should only consider having more than one wife if you can treat them equally. Hence, I think having more than one wife is unjust since there is no way to treat them equally.
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So, if it is not possible. Why allow it? If it's impossible why was polygamy so wide spread at the time of the Prophet? Surel the Prophet would have stopped the practice and told the people that it isn't possible for you guys to treat all the women equally.

Let's not forget everyone was allowed to have 4 wives except Hazrat Ali because the Prophet did not want his daughter to go to a house where she had to share the love of her husband.
 
uberkoen said:
So, if it is not possible. Why allow it? If it's impossible why was polygamy so wide spread at the time of the Prophet? Surel the Prophet would have stopped the practice and told the people that it isn't possible for you guys to treat all the women equally.

Let's not forget everyone was allowed to have 4 wives except Hazrat Ali because the Prophet did not want his daughter to go to a house where she had to share the love of her husband.
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Lots of men died because of wars during the time period we are operating in...
 
Bigboii said:
Lots of men died because of wars during the time period we are operating in...
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So, when men die in wars then the ones left over are capable of treating 4 wives equally but if there are no wars the men are not capable of treating them equaly?
 
Saj said:
ok forget the financial implications or the logistics of it, this thread is about why are Muslim men allowed to 4 wives - can someone explain why ?
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The answer is simple. Islam asks the faithful to accept inequality in this world, and the dispossessed are supposed to be rewarded in the next world for their acceptance. This makes Islam very popular with elites.

The greatest thing most men with power desire is more women.
 
Third_Umpire said:
Because like most ancient religions, it is deeply rooted in misogyny.
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The normal sex ratio of men to women 107 to 100. So if you have polygamy where 25 men marry 100 women, the remaining 82 men are left without wives. The women on the other hand all have husbands, and the husbands are the men with power in the society.

Is that misogyny or misandry?
 
uberkoen said:
So, if it is not possible. Why allow it? If it's impossible why was polygamy so wide spread at the time of the Prophet? Surel the Prophet would have stopped the practice and told the people that it isn't possible for you guys to treat all the women equally.
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It wasn't made unlawful. I am sure you can understand the difference between not making something unlawful and making something an obligation. It's an option and a ruler has been given a right to suspend it if he deems fit and hence it has been suspended in many muslim countries. I am sure you have no problem with men dating multiple women at one time but it seems like the problem arises only when those women are married and given legal rights.

Let's not forget everyone was allowed to have 4 wives except Hazrat Ali because the Prophet did not want his daughter to go to a house where she had to share the love of her husband.
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You just answered all your questions yourself. A woman's family can put a clause in the marriage contract that the man cannot marry another woman. Muslims believe that whatever the Prophet (Pbuh) did was an example of what could be done. And this was one such case.
 
Napa said:
The normal sex ratio of men to women 107 to 100. So if you have polygamy where 25 men marry 100 women, the remaining 82 men are left without wives. The women on the other hand all have husbands, and the husbands are the men with power in the society.

Is that misogyny or misandry?
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Misogeny. The rest is the side effects of it.
 
Madplayer said:
It wasn't made unlawful. I am sure you can understand the difference between not making something unlawful and making something an obligation. It's an option and a ruler has been given a right to suspend it if he deems fit and hence it has been suspended in many muslim countries. I am sure you have no problem with men dating multiple women at one time but it seems like the problem arises only when those women are married and given legal rights.



You just answered all your questions yourself. A woman's family can put a clause in the marriage contract that the man cannot marry another woman. Muslims believe that whatever the Prophet (Pbuh) did was an example of what could be done. And this was one such case.
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You're wrong on both cases. No such clause can be put in as this is against the rules of Islam. Also, no Muslim country has suspended polygamy.

I have no problems with anything. We just need to accept the fact that in Islam, men can marry 4 women without making any excuses because those excuses are not valid. Once this fact is accepted can we move on to a discussion of equal rights.

I might not have any issues with men dating several women but similarly, I wouldn't have any issues if it was the other way around either because if I did I'd be a hypocrite.
 
uberkoen said:
You're wrong on both cases. No such clause can be put in as this is against the rules of Islam. Also, no Muslim country has suspended polygamy.

I have no problems with anything. We just need to accept the fact that in Islam, men can marry 4 women without making any excuses because those excuses are not valid. Once this fact is accepted can we move on to a discussion of equal rights.

I might not have any issues with men dating several women but similarly, I wouldn't have any issues if it was the other way around either because if I did I'd be a hypocrite.
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Good points raised
 
uberkoen said:
So, if it is not possible. Why allow it? If it's impossible why was polygamy so wide spread at the time of the Prophet? Surel the Prophet would have stopped the practice and told the people that it isn't possible for you guys to treat all the women equally.

Let's not forget everyone was allowed to have 4 wives except Hazrat Ali because the Prophet did not want his daughter to go to a house where she had to share the love of her husband.
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I believe Ali also has multiple wives
 
uberkoen said:
What's the point of a religion if none of its followers are following it properly? This is a widespread excuse used by people like you and that is all this is: an excuse.
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You could ask that question about any religion. What is the point of religion in Britain? What is the point of religion in India? What is the point of religion in USA?

Why don't you give us an example of a successful society or nation where religion has been abandoned and replaced with atheism?
 
uberkoen said:
You're wrong on both cases. No such clause can be put in as this is against the rules of Islam.
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No I'm not wrong in both cases. There is difference of opinion among jurists whether such a clause of prohibition can be put in the contract or not. Some allow it and some dont allow it. However, a woman can indeed put a clause which allows her to divorce the man if he marries another woman.

Also, no Muslim country has suspended polygamy.
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You are right. I confused it with some other ruling. Apologies.

I have no problems with anything. We just need to accept the fact that in Islam, men can marry 4 women without making any excuses because those excuses are not valid. Once this fact is accepted can we move on to a discussion of equal rights.

I might not have any issues with men dating several women but similarly, I wouldn't have any issues if it was the other way around either because if I did I'd be a hypocrite.
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You are calling reasons as excuses. Not sure how that works. And, So basically what you are saying is that it would be fine if women were also allowed to have multiple husbands like in polyandrous groups. That is the crux of what you are saying. That has its problems and there is a reason why it has not been a norm around the globe except in isolated pockets. Refer to the other thread of polyamory to get more answers. Anyway, this is a classic case of ignoring everything else that Islamic system of living encapsulates and looking at one particular isolated ruling, not in context of an Islamic society but in context of a foreign set up.
 
Madplayer said:
No I'm not wrong in both cases. There is difference of opinion among jurists whether such a clause of prohibition can be put in the contract or not. Some allow it and some dont allow it. However, a woman can indeed put a clause which allows her to divorce the man if he marries another woman.
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I'm going to have to ask for your sources on the legality of the prohibition clause implemented in an Islamic marriage contract.

Madplayer said:
You are calling reasons as excuses. Not sure how that works. And, So basically what you are saying is that it would be fine if women were also allowed to have multiple husbands like in polyandrous groups. That is the crux of what you are saying. That has its problems and there is a reason why it has not been a norm around the globe except in isolated pockets. Refer to the other thread of polyamory to get more answers. Anyway, this is a classic case of ignoring everything else that Islamic system of living encapsulates and looking at one particular isolated ruling, not in context of an Islamic society but in context of a foreign set up.
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Where around the globe do you see polygamy as the norm? Other than some Arabic countries (i.e isolated pockets). Polygamy isn't normally practiced anywhere else. Can we infer from this that because we don't see it as a norm around the globe there are problems with this concept?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
You could ask that question about any religion. What is the point of religion in Britain? What is the point of religion in India? What is the point of religion in USA?

Why don't you give us an example of a successful society or nation where religion has been abandoned and replaced with atheism?
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That's an easy one. Netherlands. Almost 68% of Dutch people identify as nonreligious. 51% identify as 'convinced atheists'.

Other countries where majority of the people identify as nonreligious include Australia, Belgium, Germany and many more. Have a look at the list yourself
 
Itachi said:
Misogeny. The rest is the side effects of it.
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The point is that polygamy condemns 77% to a life of monogamy, one without a family and children. That is not a "side effect", that is the real damage

On the other hand 100% of women have husbands and families. I would say that the state for the average man is much worse than the average woman.
 
Napa said:
The point is that polygamy condemns 77% to a life of monogamy, one without a family and children. That is not a "side effect", that is the real damage

On the other hand 100% of women have husbands and families. I would say that the state for the average man is much worse than the average woman.
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These women didn't have a choice in most occasions.

You can make a cage out of diamond. It'll still be a cage.
 
1400 years and the Muslim world still struggles to grasp the concept of consent, in almost every sense of the word.
 
Itachi said:
These women didn't have a choice in most occasions.

You can make a cage out of diamond. It'll still be a cage.
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You think men who don't get to have a wife and family because the rich and powerful men have taken 4 wives have a choice?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Have any of those countries officially disavowed Christianity in favour of atheism?
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The religion of real Western Europeans (including Brits) in the 21st Century is atheism.
 
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Gujranwala woman sets ex-husband's house on fire after he remarries

A woman set her ex-husband's house on fire upon his remarriage, three years after their divorce, in Punjab's Gujranwala, police told Geo News on Sunday night

According to the police, the ex-husband's brother sustained burn injuries while his belongings and the newly-wed couple's room also caught fire.

The man, Adnan, had divorced his wife, Saleha, three years ago due to quarrels, said the police.

He remarried on Saturday night while his valima ceremony was on Sunday — the night the incident took place. The ex-wife set the house ablaze when the man was at his wedding ceremony.

The law enforcers also said that the woman set fire to her ex-husband's house along with her sister and brother-in-law. They had entered inside the home through the roof. The incident took place in Model Town area's Mohalla Islamabad.

Adnan and Saleha got married 10 years ago and they lived in a house adjacent to the man's parents. When the couple got divorced, Adnan moved back to his parent's house.

The police said the investigation of the incident was underway.

www.geo.tv

Gujranwala woman sets ex-husband's house on fire after he remarries

Husband Adnan divorced his wife three years ago. Incident took place on the day of Adnan's valima. Ex-wife took sister, brother-in-law's help to set fire. GUJRANWALA: A woman set her ex-husband's house on fire upon his...
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Saj said:
ok forget the financial implications or the logistics of it, this thread is about why are Muslim men allowed to 4 wives - can someone explain why ?
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I have no problem with 4 wives. If people are doing it with their consent it’s ok.
 
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Better to have 4 wives than having 1 wife and multiple mistresses. Don't you think?
 
Islam limited number of wives to four , before that there were no restrictions. I do not know what people are crying for.
 
Justcrazy said:
Islam limited number of wives to four , before that there were no restrictions. I do not know what people are crying for.
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And now its limited to 1 in most countries..which should be the norm if the logic is before Islam there were more than 4
 
sweep_shot said:
Better to have 4 wives than having 1 wife and multiple mistresses. Don't you think?
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LOL, you would justify anything and everything in the name of Islam. You were once justifying how it's okay for women to be lashed publicly than them having to spend years in jail.
 
JaDed said:
And now its limited to 1 in most countries..which should be the norm if the logic is before Islam there were more than 4
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Brother , the thread specifically mentions Islam , which is a religion , so we are talking about that not countries.
 
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