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Title describes itself..with a great history in world cricket and recent success in the champions trophy and t20 do pakistan fans take it too far and engage in self defeatist attitude..

When it comes to world cricket I’d rather be pakistan than england, West Indies , South Africa, New Zealand, sri lanka and Bangladesh when it comes to history and also comparative recent success (lanka, bdesh,sa)

I see most posters having a negative attitude and thought the World Cup was over after India and bashing the team so do the same fans deserve to cheer for the team IF we make the semis..isn’t sports about cheering for your team regardless of the results specifically when it comes to cheering for your nation..

Sure our cricket might be on the downward spiral but that reflects the state of the nation a lot of holes need to be fixed(health, education, economy etc) before sports
 
As a neutral fan, I personally think many Pakistani fans are too harsh. A bit of a lean patch and you are all over the player's throat.
 
Yup, I know because I was backing them after losing to India and even when I was telling everyone next day of our loss that we still have good chances to reach the semis because of the relatively easier fixtures, people were not believing me.
 
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Well it's hard to be positive about a team who has won 3 out of 16 ODIs . Even now after 2 wins people are going a little ott. Just concentrate on the next game . This format doesn't allow you to do banghra over 1 win. You move onto the next challenge.

It's unlikely we will get to the semis even now but at least there is a chance.
 
Title describes itself..with a great history in world cricket and recent success in the champions trophy and t20 do pakistan fans take it too far and engage in self defeatist attitude..

When it comes to world cricket I’d rather be pakistan than england, West Indies , South Africa, New Zealand, sri lanka and Bangladesh when it comes to history and also comparative recent success (lanka, bdesh,sa)

I see most posters having a negative attitude and thought the World Cup was over after India and bashing the team so do the same fans deserve to cheer for the team IF we make the semis..isn’t sports about cheering for your team regardless of the results specifically when it comes to cheering for your nation..

Sure our cricket might be on the downward spiral but that reflects the state of the nation a lot of holes need to be fixed(health, education, economy etc) before sports

Well said. I personally was disappointed after the Indian defeat but the amount of criticism and peronsal hate and abuse given was appalling and disgraceful. Even our so called legends in past never defeated India in world Cup. Reports of grouping in the team by media is absolutely nonsense. It is so disappointing to see all this but proud of Sarfraz and team of the way they have bounced back under immense pressure.

I backed Sarfraz and whole team and still do even if they don't make it somehow to Semis.
 
And I don't think fans who abused the team and players deserve to celebrate wins they should stay away as they don't support the team and country but just some players and have personal hate for some players.
I don't support some inclusions in the squad but I don't care who makes runs or get wickets but I just want our team to win.
 
Well said. I personally was disappointed after the Indian defeat but the amount of criticism and peronsal hate and abuse given was appalling and disgraceful. Even our so called legends in past never defeated India in world Cup. Reports of grouping in the team by media is absolutely nonsense. It is so disappointing to see all this but proud of Sarfraz and team of the way they have bounced back under immense pressure.

I backed Sarfraz and whole team and still do even if they don't make it somehow to Semis.

That’s the whole thing isn’t it our legends massively underperformed.. no achievements since 92 World Cup then boom number 1 test team In the world boom champions trophy winners boom number 1 t20 ranking ... asking us to be World Cup winners is like getting mad at man utd for not winning the champions trophy last year
 
There are two extremes. Personally as a fan they have to have the thorough knowledge of team's own weakness More than the opposition. Then fans will stop going over the top either way. As a fan if you know under what circumstances things can go wrong for your team, you will handle the failures better. Understand the limitations. Reactions will be measured not OTT.
 
because fans who have followed the team for ages, and those who may have known people who have been around professional cricket, realise how many games Pakistan has lost through a lack of professionalism, a lack of fitness, infighting, match fixing, nepotism, poor coaching, poor tactical awareness, lack of talent development, etc

basically mistakes that can be avoided with the right systems in place, but which perennially undermined to the extent that despite possessing the technical ability to win tournaments pakistan is objecteively one of the worst cricket teams in terms on w/l ratios and simply doesn't have the "metaskills" to compete in test matches consistently, esp since losing yk/misbah, two guys who did a lot to try to rid the team of some of these ills.

now i dont really care about odis outside of the world cup, champs trophy, etc, but you cannot hope to just turn it on when you need to at the sharp end of a tournament, its not the right approach to the game. if pakistan win this tournament that would be amazing, and great, but its not right that pak fans go into each game expecting to lose against anyone as much as they expect to win.

it is not the winning or the losing per se, it is the ostensibly ad hoc approach to what is pbly the countries most important cultural binder that infuriates the average fan, or this fan at least.
 
because fans who have followed the team for ages, and those who may have known people who have been around professional cricket, realise how many games Pakistan has lost through a lack of professionalism, a lack of fitness, infighting, match fixing, nepotism, poor coaching, poor tactical awareness, lack of talent development, etc

basically mistakes that can be avoided with the right systems in place, but which perennially undermined to the extent that despite possessing the technical ability to win tournaments pakistan is objecteively one of the worst cricket teams in terms on w/l ratios and simply doesn't have the "metaskills" to compete in test matches consistently, esp since losing yk/misbah, two guys who did a lot to try to rid the team of some of these ills.

now i dont really care about odis outside of the world cup, champs trophy, etc, but you cannot hope to just turn it on when you need to at the sharp end of a tournament, its not the right approach to the game. if pakistan win this tournament that would be amazing, and great, but its not right that pak fans go into each game expecting to lose against anyone as much as they expect to win.

it is not the winning or the losing per se, it is the ostensibly ad hoc approach to what is pbly the countries most important cultural binder that infuriates the average fan, or this fan at least.

well said.

also keep in mind, pakistan cricket is perhaps the ONLY world class brand we have. PSL is coming along also.

But it represents all of pakistan at the global level. when we see lack of professionalism, cheating, match fixing and nepotism, it irks us. atleast the ones that are not corrupt.
 
It's a subcontinent thing. Cricket is the only major sport these countries care about and people are way too emotional about it. Lankans are the only ones who take it a bit easy if their team loses.
 
I think our LOI team is very good and there's some promising players who can be put in after WC and I am not harsh at all on them.

However our test team still makes me super angry, especially Asad shafiq, but that's another discussion for another day.
 
Your team played like a minnow for two years straight, so the frustration is understandable.
 
This team should be thankful that it still has fans. PCB and its corrupt setup for 10+ years has completely destroyed the batting talent of Pakistan.

A country that has proud history of batsmen like Zaheer Abbas, Miandad and Saeed Anwar, the current generation has no batting hero due to Shoaib Malik and Hafeez like neanderthals.

Hafeez had an 18average as an opener rofl and Shoaib Malik was banned in 2012 for heavy disciplinary breach for conspiring aginst his own captain. We all remember how Shoaib Malik admitted in presentation of a local T20 tournament how he threw the match due to a particular team. Still these 2 are now seniors and still playing in the team matter of shame. How MAlik was brought back to remove Fawad Alam like selfless player also is worse example of corruption of this boar.

PCB needs to get its act together and promote and nurture good batting talent. If they keep thse senior leeches I don't think you would have many fans for Paksitan team and asa result sponsors as well. Still remember how PCB could'nt find one corporate in Pakistan to sponsor a tournament in early 2010 or 11.

Need to build a strong team keep Mickey Arthur and give him selection powers. Remove negative and biased forces like Inzamam and Haroon Rasheed from the setup. Just for their family and favorites these selectors became roadblock in allowing any batting talent to come into the team.
 
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Honestly to me - it’s not being over critical but the inconsistency really triggers me to hate the players and the entire circus. How can you explain Amir delivering a match winning spell in the CT final and then failing consistently for the next 2 years? On their day they can deliver exceptional performances but on most other days they can’t even half their previous best performances. The hit or miss aspect of our team is the reason why Pakistani fans lose their marbles. And this has been true for all different group of players playing since the early 2000s.
 
It's sad so many fans are pessimistic. Think it rubs off onto the team, they're so scared of letting people down, no wonder India vs Pakistan nearly always gets to them.

Perfect example is my Dad. If Pakistan is going at 6 an over at 200-1 he'll complain why aren't they going at 10 an over, Pakistan is going to lose they can collapse anytime. If the opposition is plodding at 3.5 an over, 5 wickets down, he'll be like wow the opposition is scoring runs so fast, the opposition will easily win. If Pakistan score 300 runs, he'll tell me not enough runs, Pakistan will lose. If the opposition score 200, he says the opposition have scored too much, Pakistan will lose. It's quite funny in a way, and think a lot of Pakistan fans are like this.

I think a lot of fans like criticising, blaming the team because it makes them feel better about themselves. I don't know whether it's a part of Pakistan culture in general or just cricket, but it's pretty bad. From personal experience I feel like many of my Pakistani relatives are quick to criticise/make me/others feel bad for little/no reason. It's a bad attitude and doesn't promote a healthy mind state.

Best thing to do is play relaxed, strive for consistent improvement, don't take losses to much to heart, just try to improve from them. Improvements in fitness and fielding would definitely improve mentality/attitude too.
 
Title describes itself..with a great history in world cricket and recent success in the champions trophy and t20 do pakistan fans take it too far and engage in self defeatist attitude..

When it comes to world cricket I’d rather be pakistan than england, West Indies , South Africa, New Zealand, sri lanka and Bangladesh when it comes to history and also comparative recent success (lanka, bdesh,sa)

I see most posters having a negative attitude and thought the World Cup was over after India and bashing the team so do the same fans deserve to cheer for the team IF we make the semis..isn’t sports about cheering for your team regardless of the results specifically when it comes to cheering for your nation..

Sure our cricket might be on the downward spiral but that reflects the state of the nation a lot of holes need to be fixed(health, education, economy etc) before sports

Mark my words, when on the day of the World Cup 2019 final, Sarfraz lifts the cup aloft all shall be forgotten. Thirty years from now, this very team shall be nostalgically worshipped by Pakistan fans on this very forum, just as IK and his team is lovingly remembered by wistful Pakistani fans.

The same Sarfraz and the same Shoaib Malik shall be revered. Mark my words. This is Pakistans world cup. I had written at the very outset that one of two team shall win this cup - ENG or PAK. Pakistan it is!

Thank me later. I don't care what the probabilities say. Pakistan has it in the bag.

And then these these same harsh Pakistan fans will stampede the airport to welcome their stars back home.
 
Because of brainless display. For example: I predicted a ball before Imam’s stumping against Afghanistan that he will get out. Mainly because he had played 5 dot balls in that over. He had that look on his face that he was under severe pressure and he is about to quit. We play a lot of stupid cricket and choke in crunch moments. Lack of basic cricketing sense you can say.

And on the other hand, Babar’s inning vs NZ was the best I have ever seen from a Pak bat. The lad didn’t quit and battled all the way. That inning was a rare, very rare to come from a Pakistani batsman.
 
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Coz we don't attend to our problems. The batting collapse is all to predicable as always, the fielding is as abysmal and many players seem totally unfit. No one ever attends to our core problems hence every year we are falling even more behind the top sides. We seemed totally unprepared versus the West Indies in the first match a team every other top side has just swept aside. They deserve sheer criticism for this.
 
Because of brainless display. For example: I predicted a ball before Imam’s stumping against Afghanistan that he will get out. Mainly because he had played 5 dot balls in that over. He had that look on his face that he was under severe pressure and he is about to quit. We play a lot of stupid cricket and choke in crunch moments. Lack of basic cricketing sense you can say.

And on the other hand, Babar’s inning vs NZ was the best I have ever seen from a Pak bat. The lad didn’t quit and battled all the way. That inning was a rare, very rare to come from a Pakistani batsman.

This thought process is mother of all batting problems. Why you think that being tied down and not rotating strike is stupid, rather not incapability. Babar’s batting was brilliant because of the balance between defense, rotation & boundary. THAT combination not because of his intelligence only, rather his batting skills.

I have seen almost every PAK poster thinks not rotating (or not taking singles) is lack of intent or intelligence or willingness which is the biggest mistake. Taking singles need all round batting skills, placements, soft touches and proper manoeuvring ability to place in gaps. In ODI games there are 4/5 “holes” in inner circle & 5/4 “plugs” to stop singles - on top of that bowlers bowl on negative length, line and Captain will place 9 fielders according to batsman.

Most PAK batsmen are limited with their shot making range, can easily be blocked from rotating strike because of lack of options (to manoeuvre the ball in gaps), poor on back foot hence can easily be kept in check with short of length staff, very little off side game ...... all these results into a suffocating situation and outcome is a desperate release shot - something Imam tried.

Babar is the most complete batsman by some margin & Haris is also good - these two can rotate strike once in a good partnership; Sarfraz is not technically sound but quite intelligent & busy - when in good touch can manoeuvre spinners well. In form Umar was easily better than Babar (but didn’t have the focus to make it a big innings), because along with rotating ability he could blast as well.

Rest are too limited or hack - needs to play low percentage shots to keep scoring. This is the main reason you’ll see Fakhar, Imam or Asif often struggles to maintain SR after some times in middle when it should be opposite - a set batsman should be more comfortable & fluent in middle .... result too many 30s & 40s. When he was in form (& young), MoHa could also rotate and he had God gifted timing, but pea size heart, so he choked almost always and now he is 5 years obsolete- only a board like PCB can carry such zombies expecting that some day he’ll score a big one ... that too batting first.

Rather than being too harsh, I find most PAK fans extreme in both ends - reason being unrealistic expectations or lack of understanding the game. This is a damn average PAK side which has punched well above weight to be in the tournament till 9th game, which I think is per for them - those who had higher expectations often too critical (out of frustration), other group thinks too high about the “natural talent” of the team (players), hence it often ends in too much false bravado - but once you set yourself too high in that effort, there is one way of fall back ..... keep building on the “talent” stand.

But, there are definitely few posters here who has a very good idea of where PCT & PAK cricket stands - they are quite realistic ....... my efforts has been to increase the size of this middle group.
 
This thought process is mother of all batting problems. Why you think that being tied down and not rotating strike is stupid, rather not incapability. Babar’s batting was brilliant because of the balance between defense, rotation & boundary. THAT combination not because of his intelligence only, rather his batting skills.

I have seen almost every PAK poster thinks not rotating (or not taking singles) is lack of intent or intelligence or willingness which is the biggest mistake. Taking singles need all round batting skills, placements, soft touches and proper manoeuvring ability to place in gaps. In ODI games there are 4/5 “holes” in inner circle & 5/4 “plugs” to stop singles - on top of that bowlers bowl on negative length, line and Captain will place 9 fielders according to batsman.

Most PAK batsmen are limited with their shot making range, can easily be blocked from rotating strike because of lack of options (to manoeuvre the ball in gaps), poor on back foot hence can easily be kept in check with short of length staff, very little off side game ...... all these results into a suffocating situation and outcome is a desperate release shot - something Imam tried.

Babar is the most complete batsman by some margin & Haris is also good - these two can rotate strike once in a good partnership; Sarfraz is not technically sound but quite intelligent & busy - when in good touch can manoeuvre spinners well. In form Umar was easily better than Babar (but didn’t have the focus to make it a big innings), because along with rotating ability he could blast as well.

Rest are too limited or hack - needs to play low percentage shots to keep scoring. This is the main reason you’ll see Fakhar, Imam or Asif often struggles to maintain SR after some times in middle when it should be opposite - a set batsman should be more comfortable & fluent in middle .... result too many 30s & 40s. When he was in form (& young), MoHa could also rotate and he had God gifted timing, but pea size heart, so he choked almost always and now he is 5 years obsolete- only a board like PCB can carry such zombies expecting that some day he’ll score a big one ... that too batting first.

Rather than being too harsh, I find most PAK fans extreme in both ends - reason being unrealistic expectations or lack of understanding the game. This is a damn average PAK side which has punched well above weight to be in the tournament till 9th game, which I think is per for them - those who had higher expectations often too critical (out of frustration), other group thinks too high about the “natural talent” of the team (players), hence it often ends in too much false bravado - but once you set yourself too high in that effort, there is one way of fall back ..... keep building on the “talent” stand.

But, there are definitely few posters here who has a very good idea of where PCT & PAK cricket stands - they are quite realistic ....... my efforts has been to increase the size of this middle group.
Everyone here knows about the problems plaguing Pakistan cricket right now, and it remains to be seen what the current PCB regime will do to find solutions to these issues. They have started their tenure with a drastic change, that has changed the status quo and challenged the mundane nature of our domestic cricket since the 1970s. Let's hope this extends to a close introspection into the quality of pitches, facilities and balls used aswell.

However, a Pakistan team that was written off completely has done well under tremendous pressure to still be in contention for a semi-final spot. Granted it's because the host nation slipped up, but they are still hanging on going into the last week of the tournament proper. I can bring up posts before the WC started, and I'll put some 'esteemed' posters to shame right here and now. However I will save that burn for the off-chance that Pakistan makes it into the semi-finals.

This is Bangladesh's best team, with the most experience out of all Asian teams and one which has four players with the experience of FOUR World Cups. Yet they are more or less on the same front as Pakistan, and only mathematically in a better position since pretty much no one in the cricketing world gives them a chance against India.

South Africa, coming into this tournament as the third-ranked team, and West Indies, everyone's dark horse semi-finalist, have fallen off a cliff, while this 'mediocre' and 'pathetic' team with no watchable players has brought this World Cup alive along with Sri Lanka.
 
This board is TOO harsh, but the general harshness is easy to explain.

The team obviously has and has had the ability to beat anyone in the world. This is god-given. Despite having that blessing, we screw up all the controllable things - fielding, management, fitness, attitude.

That's why we get so mad. These things should be achievable through hard work and clarity of thought. That said, we love it when the "professional" things come together.
 
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