Why are so many Muslims so judgemental?

[The_KING]

Seriously I'm sick of Muslims judging other Muslims or even non Muslims for that matter. I mean who gave you the right to decide what someone should wear or what they and shouldn't do? I have noticed that some Muslims love to impose their view of Islam on other Muslims. Just recently I was in the bus listening to music when some Muslim guy came and sat next to me. He asked me if I am a Muslim and I said yes and then he gave me a proper lecture on how music is haram in Islam. I mean who the hell are you and who gave you the right to tell me what I should and shouldn't do in my life. I told that guy to mind his business in a very stern manner. My sister who doesn't wear a hijab also get a lot of judgemental Muslims at her workplace or at uni telling her to wear one as she is committing a big sin by showing her hair. Seriously some Muslims should learn to mind their own business and not stick their noses in other people's matter. Of all the people that I've come across in my time at England, I have to admit that Muslims are the most judgemental of them. These people should understand that the matter is between the individual and Allah. You have no right especially as a stranger to tell someone how they should live their lives. Just mind your own business please.

Sorry for the rant but this is something that has always bothered me and I had to get it of my chest.

 

[PakLFC]

It's human nature to be judgemental not only from a religious perspective but other things as well. We judge each other on the basis of lifestyle, how we dress, job, financial status, house and so forth. Not every Muslim is judgemental of coreligionists when it comes to matters of faith. Those who are mean well in trying to save others from eternal punishment not realising that they are actually offending them. I am not keen on this "holier then thou" attitude. Thing is to most Muslim's today their faith plays more important a role in their lives then people who follow other religions. They are so certain that their understanding of Islam is the correct one that they feel the need to try to enlighten others with their so called wisdom! Unable to appreciate that throughout history there has always been many types of Muslim's like Sunni, Shia and Sufi etc they want to put everything in a box so to feel great about themselves. In reality, it's a form of insecurity not wisdom when they are more worried about they size of a beard or if pyjama's are above ankle length then they are about human rights issues and the terrible condition Muslim countries find themselves in. Self righteousness is how they deal with these practical problems!

 

[Belawal2014]

I'm pretty sure you've been quite judgmental on PP, alone. Maybe take your own advice?

 

[The_KING]

I'm pretty sure you've been quite judgmental on PP, alone. Maybe take your own advice?

Buddy this is an online forum where people give their opinions. I'm not judgemental in real life but on an online forum it's all about give your opinions.

 

[The_KING]

It's human nature to be judgemental not only from a religious perspective but other things as well. We judge each other on the basis of lifestyle, how we dress, job, financial status, house and so forth. Not every Muslim is judgemental of coreligionists when it comes to matters of faith. Those who are mean well in trying to save others from eternal punishment not realising that they are actually offending them. I am not keen on this "holier then thou" attitude. Thing is to most Muslim's today their faith plays more important a role in their lives then people who follow other religions. They are so certain that their understanding of Islam is the correct one that they feel the need to try to enlighten others with their so called wisdom! Unable to appreciate that throughout history there has always been many types of Muslim's like Sunni, Shia and Sufi etc they want to put everything in a box so to feel great about themselves. In reality, it's a form of insecurity not wisdom when they are more worried about they size of a beard or if pyjama's are above ankle length then they are about human rights issues and the terrible condition Muslim countries find themselves in. Self righteousness is how they deal with these practical problems!

Well said especially the bold bit.

 

[Rayyman]

Maybe YOU should mind your own business and not worry about why people are being judgemental. Think about it. This guy probably didn't know he was getting in your face. I'm pretty sure his intention was just to help you out. Look at it this way. Gotta give that positive attitude man. Peace!

 

[Belawal2014]

Buddy this is an online forum where people give their opinions. I'm not judgemental in real life but on an online forum it's all about give your opinions.

Buddy, you convey the opinions you have in real life over this forum. and to be honest, we're all judgmental.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Buddy, you convey the opinions you have in real life over this forum. and to be honest, we're all judgmental.

I think he has a fair point. Everyone is judgemental to some degree, it's very normal to judge what's right or wrong.

The issue is someone riding along on a bus minding their own business, harming nobody , breaking no laws shouldn't have to listen to a stranger telling him what's he's doing is wrong.

Judge but mind your business. On a forum people make a decision to read.

I think there is nothing wrong with preaching at all but let people come to you, get a stand and not approach people who don't want to be bothered.

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

Seriously I'm sick of Muslims judging other Muslims or even non Muslims for that matter. I mean who gave you the right to decide what someone should wear or what they and shouldn't do? I have noticed that some Muslims love to impose their view of Islam on other Muslims. Just recently I was in the bus listening to music when some Muslim guy came and sat next to me. He asked me if I am a Muslim and I said yes and then he gave me a proper lecture on how music is haram in Islam. I mean who the hell are you and who gave you the right to tell me what I should and shouldn't do in my life. I told that guy to mind his business in a very stern manner. My sister who doesn't wear a hijab also get a lot of judgemental Muslims at her workplace or at uni telling her to wear one as she is committing a big sin by showing her hair. Seriously some Muslims should learn to mind their own business and not stick their noses in other people's matter. Of all the people that I've come across in my time at England, I have to admit that Muslims are the most judgemental of them. These people should understand that the matter is between the individual and Allah. You have no right especially as a stranger to tell someone how they should live their lives. Just mind your own business please.

Sorry for the rant but this is something that has always bothered me and I had to get it of my chest.

Instead of ranting over here you should've told that guy to back off and mind his own damn business.

 

[Saeed]

Lol simply change the seat if you're so disturbed by their lectures. I am sure they will get the meaning. I doubt he was forcing you to listen to him.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Lol simply change the seat if you're so disturbed by their lectures. I am sure they will get the meaning. I doubt he was forcing you to listen to him.

Some buses esp in London don't have any free seats available.

 

[Metron]

Well said especially the bold bit.

Religion provides people with an air of moral superiority. To the followers they must distribute their moral compass around with authority and without question (You cannot question in religion). In many religions including Islam, religion is not a personal but a wholly social and political construct. So nutters from all religions tend to preach their own concocted and outdated morality to others.

As for most other posters. They would be cringing in the same manner as you are but it would hurt their identity to admit that you are right. If a Non-Muslim asked a hijab wearing woman to remove it, that would be Islamophobia, isn't it?

 

[kingusama92]

It's a human quality more than a "Muslim" one.

 

[Metron]

It's a human quality more than a "Muslim" one.

Not human but religious trait. (Not confined to one religion)

 

[HussainRx8]

I used to think it is a desire that most religious people shared. But then I met New Atheists.

 

[Metron]

I used to think it is a desire that most religious people shared. But then I met New Atheists.

How did Atheists jump into the discussion?
Ever heard of an atheist(except Soviet Union and China) tearing down temples/churches or mosques because they didn't conform to their thinking?

 

[HussainRx8]

How did Atheists jump into the discussion?
Ever heard of an atheist(except Soviet Union and China) tearing down temples/churches or mosques because they didn't conform to their thinking?

Do you understand what being judgemental means?

As far as I understand, we're discussing who is more judgemental, not who is more predisposed to violence. Learn to dileneate the two.

 

[kingusama92]

Not human but religious trait. (Not confined to one religion)

Atheists are just as judgemental.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Being judgemental indeed is a human trait, but we can also not deny that things like religion does take it to an extreme level. The extent of constant pestering gets unbelievable.

 

[czar]

Atheists are biggest thekedaars of Society today, always trying to bring the disillusioned followers on their enlightened path.

 

[Metron]

Atheists are biggest thekedaars of Society today, always trying to bring the disillusioned followers on their enlightened path.

Is there an atheist temple or church spreading the gospel of non-belief?
How many countries provide tax benefits to atheists to spread and propagate their ideology?
Did some atheist come knocking at your door asking for donations for an atheist festival?
Did some atheist question your eating habit as sinful?


Religion is shoved down a person's throat as soon as he is conceived. All the rituals regarding birth, naming, getting circumcised, baptized, reading of religious texts. A person is simply brainwashed into thinking that religion is true, even before a child has the concept of reasoning. It gets ingrained for life despite life giving endless proofs of how illogical religion is.

The hypocrisy of religions is calling,"all humans as equal, but then adding that believers are more equal than non-believers."

 

[kingusama92]

Is there an atheist temple or church spreading the gospel of non-belief?
How many countries provide tax benefits to atheists to spread and propagate their ideology?
Did some atheist come knocking at your door asking for donations for an atheist festival?
Did some atheist question your eating habit as sinful?


Religion is shoved down a person's throat as soon as he is conceived. All the rituals regarding birth, naming, getting circumcised, baptized, reading of religious texts. A person is simply brainwashed into thinking that religion is true, even before a child has the concept of reasoning. It gets ingrained for life despite life giving endless proofs of how illogical religion is.

The hypocrisy of religions is calling,"all humans as equal, but then adding that believers are more equal than non-believers."

Here is an example from this week.

The American Atheists Legal Center (AALC) has demanded that city officials in Oil City remove a bench in a Veterans of Foreign Wars (VFW) memorial in Justus Park, simply because it contains a William Penn quotation which has the word “God” in it. Liberty Counsel has offered pro bono defense to Oil City mayor, William Moon, to keep the Tyrants Bench in place with the William Penn paraphrase remaining.

Atheists are just as judgemental. It's a human quality. The moment you judge others for believing a God, this becomes true.

Now, if you wish to say Athiests aren't violent and don't act upon their judgements, I'll give you that. However, OP wasn't attacked either so that was never the point of this thread.

 

[Zohaib Shah]

This is all human nature. Islam doesn't say to be judgemental. It is the people themselves.

 

[Robert]

When the way you perceive God is as a stern judgemental patriarch, well.......

 

[Metron]

Here is an example from this week.



Atheists are just as judgemental. It's a human quality. The moment you judge others for believing a God, this becomes true.

Now, if you wish to say Athiests aren't violent and don't act upon their judgements, I'll give you that. However, OP wasn't attacked either so that was never the point of this thread.

Did they tear it down? I believe they approached the law.
Doesn't come close to actual burning of churches/mosques and temples by the people of God!

 

[Metron]

When the way you perceive God is as a stern judgemental patriarch, well.......

This is something of a unique feature of the Abrahmic religions, considering the original texts.

 

[Robert]

This is something of a unique feature of the Abrahmic religions, considering the original texts.

Aye, I've met many judgemental Christians, even though their book tells them to forgive and not judge.

 

[kingusama92]

Did they tear it down? I believe they approached the law.
Doesn't come close to actual burning of churches/mosques and temples by the people of God!

You've failed to read my post. Please read the last paragraph.

Being judgemental doesn't mean you have to become violent. You are mixing these two ideas.

 

[JaDed]

Everyone who has been taught or has a belief that "his/her" way is the best usually ends up judging others irrespective or religion although tbf it annoys me a lot but having dealt with "new age" atheist find them annoying as well so hard to label.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Buddy, you convey the opinions you have in real life over this forum. and to be honest, we're all judgmental.

I think that's pretty obvious reading through the replies on this thread. I've never had some stranger come up to me and ask me personal questions on a bus, at least not in this country. It happened once in Pakistan, but that bloke turned out to be a great guy and helped me find my way around a strange town as it happens.

Maybe some easterners need to be more like the British and mind their own business here. Look at the floor or pretend to read the newspaper.

 

[troodon]

We are brought up in a certain way right from the day we are born. We see our parents/relatives/siblings /neighbors dressing in a certain way. We think that this is the best way to live life.

After seeing life from a certain angle for about 18 years, the same people when they step outside of their village/town/city and move to a new place, everything might look obscene to them.
To the people in the new place, this guy might look like an ultra conservative village idiot. They judge each other quite nicely.

 

[The_KING]

Buddy, you convey the opinions you have in real life over this forum. and to be honest, we're all judgmental.

We are all judgemental yes but at the same time I won't go up to some stranger and comment on their attire or their habit of listening to music. Sure if I'm asked my opinion, then yes I would give one on the respective matter but I wouldn't bother some stranger on the bus who is minding his own business and start shoving my views down his throat. For example, I'm not really a fan of burka but I won't go up to a woman wearing one to tell her to stop wearing it. I mind my own business and I expect others to do the same

 

[Justcrazy]

Seriously I'm sick of Muslims judging other Muslims or even non Muslims for that matter. I mean who gave you the right to decide what someone should wear or what they and shouldn't do? I have noticed that some Muslims love to impose their view of Islam on other Muslims. Just recently I was in the bus listening to music when some Muslim guy came and sat next to me. He asked me if I am a Muslim and I said yes and then he gave me a proper lecture on how music is haram in Islam. I mean who the hell are you and who gave you the right to tell me what I should and shouldn't do in my life. I told that guy to mind his business in a very stern manner. My sister who doesn't wear a hijab also get a lot of judgemental Muslims at her workplace or at uni telling her to wear one as she is committing a big sin by showing her hair. Seriously some Muslims should learn to mind their own business and not stick their noses in other people's matter. Of all the people that I've come across in my time at England, I have to admit that Muslims are the most judgemental of them. These people should understand that the matter is between the individual and Allah. You have no right especially as a stranger to tell someone how they should live their lives. Just mind your own business please.

Sorry for the rant but this is something that has always bothered me and I had to get it of my chest.

Look people will come and say , you cannot help it. They are trying to encourage you to good deeds.

They are not judgmental because those things are tenets of Islam.

If you do not like that , you can ignore them. But you see this is from Allah swt also sometimes. On the day of judgement you cannot say you did not know .


Those people who come and tell you should not do that persistently , if once they have conveyed , that is enough, after that leave that person alone.

 

[The_KING]

Look people will come and say , you cannot help it. They are trying to encourage you to good deeds.

They are not judgmental because those things are tenets of Islam.

If you do not like that , you can ignore them. But you see this is from Allah swt also sometimes. On the day of judgement you cannot say you did not know .


Those people who come and tell you should not do that persistently , if once they have conveyed , that is enough, after that leave that person alone.

But did I ask them for their opinion? In England, people here normally mind their own business. I didn't ask them to convey a message to me. And personally I don't believe that music is haram so someone telling me otherwise won't mean a thing to me.

 

[troodon]

But did I ask them for their opinion? In England, people here normally mind their own business. I didn't ask them to convey a message to me. And personally I don't believe that music is haram so someone telling me otherwise won't mean a thing to me.

Is listening to Music against Islam? Like the Western Music and Bollywood Music?

If so, what do the pious people do for recreation?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

We are all judgemental yes but at the same time I won't go up to some stranger and comment on their attire or their habit of listening to music. Sure if I'm asked my opinion, then yes I would give one on the respective matter but I wouldn't bother some stranger on the bus who is minding his own business and start shoving my views down his throat. For example, I'm not really a fan of burka but I won't go up to a woman wearing one to tell her to stop wearing it. I mind my own business and I expect others to do the same

I sympathise, I don't like people shoving their views down my throat either. How did you respond?

 

[The_KING]

Is listening to Music against Islam? Like the Western Music and Bollywood Music?

If so, what do the pious people do for recreation?

In my opinion it isn't. But some Muslims do believe that it's haram.

 

[The_KING]

I sympathise, I don't like people shoving their views down my throat either. How did you respond?

I just told him to please mind his own business in a very stern manner.

 

[Saeed]

I just told him to please mind his own business in a very stern manner.

Mashallah but looks like you still haven't gotten over it even after responding to this person in a very stern manner. This much anger is not right for such small things. That person was right to lecture you because a Muslim shouldn't act with anger.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I just told him to please mind his own business in a very stern manner.

I do this every day with nuisance phone calls (from India usually) but I don't use a stern manner, just a polite thank you, not interested, goodbye works better for me.

 

[Thivagar]

Here is an example from this week.



Atheists are just as judgemental. It's a human quality. The moment you judge others for believing a God, this becomes true.

Now, if you wish to say Athiests aren't violent and don't act upon their judgements, I'll give you that. However, OP wasn't attacked either so that was never the point of this thread.

Vast majority of the youths now a days are atheists but they still worship "their god" and religion because it is part of their identity and they respect that. Religious people hate atheists while vast majority of the atheists don't hate religious people.