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How many Indians do you know who watch Pak news channels like OP who watches indian ? I honestly dont know a single person in India.
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Why are "some" Indians so obsessed with Pakistan?
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How many Indians do you know who watch Pak news channels like OP who watches indian ? I honestly dont know a single person in India.
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Exactly most of them are indifferent , wrong or right an average Indian knows very liitle about Pakistanis except for the same repeat stuff what our media feeds us . We honestly dont know anything new about Pakistan in last 20 years , except that their cricket team is weak too
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Do you think that trend might be reflected in Indians signing up to post negative views on Pakistani message boards as well any time soon?
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Once Pakistanis start posting negative stuff wherever appropriate you don’t have to worry about what Indians say.
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No idea what that means.
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I think what he means is that he is Indian, he is insecure and thus feels obligated to defend anything related to India and Indians. On the other hand, anyone who is not from India cannot put forward any comment that is derogatory to India.
OR (and this is most likely)
He hasn't got a clue what he's talking about.
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Just saying if Pakistanis themselves start identifying issues in Paksitan then you guys don’t feel that bad when some one else highlighted negative issues about your country.
Take the example of rape cases people are posting so much about Kashmir case but hardly any one comments about rape case in Karachi and a protester getting killed during protests.
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Pakistan has major issues. As a country, I like to think that the majority of people want change and that the next elections will bring about this change.
In fact there is not a single Pakistany I know that isn't aware of the problems the country faces.
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I don't see any problem with posting negative stories, it has been said many times that you can only improve a situation if you are willing to acknowledge it. If we are going to deal with these issues then it shouldn't matter whether it is a Pakistani or an Indian posting it. We are all here so unless we only want to discuss one country then every topic should be up for discussion in a respectful manner, or disrespectful if the mods are okay with it. I am okay either way.
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I am talking about discussions here.
If speaking from country point of view I hadrdly hear from anybody about Paksitan in my family/office or even public transportation,do not sure from where obsession came.
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Theoretically you are right,but these discussions we do in internet hardly going to make any difference.This is more like at any given time people share thier feelings about certain topics based on emotions rather than something they try to implement in real life.
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Likewise
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That is generally the nature of discussion boards. I don't think anyone with half a brain confuses them with real life.
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Exactly,that’s why no one needs to worry about obsession,it’s just nature of discussion boards.
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What makes you think anyone's worried about it?
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This thread.
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Can't comment since I do not agree with your premise that Indians sign up on Pakistani message boards to post negative news on Pakistan. PP is the only Pakistani message board I visit. I see substantially more negative stories on India being posted by Pak posters vs. other way round.
So there.
You do realize that Indians posting on PP are one-millionth of 1% of the population, and therefore not representative of Indians in any manner. The major newspapers are on the other hand representative.
I don't either.
Misspelled [MENTION=143738]CanadianG00se[/MENTION]'s name in an earlier post.
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Great post. This post does proves who is obssessed.
To add to your post, Ill also add Pakistani media coverage on Bollywood news exceed that off their own movie industry. Sometimes I wonder, do they even know Bollywood is Indian cinema and not Pakistani. Its similar to Canadian media obssession with Hollywood celebs.
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This isn't a chat app, if you want to make a point you'll need to provide a bit more substance to your argument.
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It's not my premise that Indians sign up to post negative news on Pakistan, I've already said there are many fine Indian contributors here.
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If that's what you believe, then the question you asked me makes no sense. But never mind. You were trolling as usual.
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Yes, I have already said in a recent thread that message boards don't reflect reality, but you can't ignore the hostility at a political level which filters down to many levels where films, music and sport are boycotted. That is bound to have an effect on posters here as well, even down to how they present stats or facts to present their own nation in a favourable light.
This is standard from mainstream Indian media,they normally have neutral/Positive Pakistan news unless there is some aggression from Pakistani side.TOI is so typical as they have Bikini news going viral as news
TOI is now part tabloid and part respectable newspapers. Bikinis sell, negative news about Pakistan does not. So TOI gives to the readers what they want, which unfortunately is also trashy like articles on bikinis.
As my survey (post #62) shows, front pages of Indian newspapers barely mention Pakistan and if they do it is not negative. Pakistani newspaper front pages on the other hand have considerable coverage of India, with many articles telling Indians what is wrong with their country:
"The Modi regime’s intolerance of political opposition and its cavalier attitude is killing Indian democracy" x 2 Neg (Dawn)
"What India owes to Nehru" Neg (Dawn)
"Leading Indian activist says BJP ideology believes in raping Muslim women" Neg (TheNews)
"Hindu right wing and Jawaharlal Nehru" x 2 Neg (DT)
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See post #62. The evidence doesn't support your claim.
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I haven't looked at your survey of newspapers, since as you've picked the subject matter it will probably have been done selectively to confirm your own bias. But ignoring that, you would expect the smaller nation to be more obsessed with the larger one anyway as that would feel more under threat given the hostile relationship between the two countries, one which is obviously governed by the larger country seeing as they will have more clout due to the difference in power and influence. India itself should barely concern itself with Pakistan.
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Well played.
First you say you didn't read the post. Then you say it's biased anyway (without even reading it). Then you justify the findings using some random small country / big country nonsense!
Classic trolling!
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Just look at the comments under any article mentioning india in Pakistani news website or the number of indians who come to defend india on pakistani forumns. Pakistanis dont visit indian forumns or news websites. Yes people here watch movies and listen to indian songs but that is just for entertainment purpose. We dont pay your political opinions enough consideration to specifically sign up and engage in pointless debate.
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I would say that picking the top 4 newspapers from both countries is a rather objective choice rather than biased towards a certain result.
I am in Indian and I don't visit Indian forums either. I came to PP for its cricket forum and stayed to talk about other things also.
If you look at my survey of the major newspapers, the front pages of the major Pakistani English papers have a lot of articles discussing what is wrong with India, while there are no such articles in Indian papers discussing Pakistan.
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Depends on your criteria for picking the front page news, as you know statistics depend a lot on sample size, your criteria for picking the dates of those front pages and so on. That you even went to such trouble to search out front pages to support your argument sort of proves the point about Indians obsessing over Pakistan.
I didn't "search out front pages". If you are going to discuss if a "country is obsessing over another country" the obvious place to look would be national newspapers. And front pages are where papers put what they consider to be the most important news.
Sample sizes of 250 and 150 are not small. Normal distribution approximation starts at a sample size of 30.
It is not a bad thing if neighbors are interested in what is happening in the other country. Only criticism and not seeing anything good however is not a productive attitude. Also the OP however used the word "obsessed" which has a lot of negative connotations.
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I see you ignored the date aspect of your search sample, which of course would affect the results drastically.
It's not as if I have been sitting around, checking the websites, to find the "best time" to do my survey.
If you look at the time stamps, you will see that I posted the survey at 12:40 PM, April 23rd 2018. Starting with PAKLFC at 10:27, there were 10 posts in this thread in an 2 hour 13 minutes span before my post. I came across this thread because it was active and towards the top of the list. I did my survey when I read this thread the first time.
If you think the particular time I did the survey is not representative, then you can do a larger survey to validate or invalidate the results.
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This is anything but conclusive. Statistically, the only way this comparison would make sense is if you control for every other variable (same amount of reporters, reporting from the same places, revenue of the news company, journalism and editorial policy, etc.).
Have they stopped teaching basic statistics in Indian grade schools?
What? Is this how you think hypotheses are formed and research in social sciences is done? You do not need the "same amount of reporters" for the hypothesis that "country A is more obsessed with country B". If country A is indeed more obsessed with country B then A will have more reporters reporting on B. What does "revenue of the news company" have to do with percentage of news articles about which country is more "obsessed"? You certainly should not control for "journalism and editorial policy" as they are part of the hypothesis that one is more "obsessed" with the other.
I am willing to bet the grade of my first semester grad stats course that the hypothesis as I formulated it passes muster.
If you have a sensible point make it, these throwaway insults won't impress anyone with an iota of intelligence.
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No thanks I've got better things to do than produce worthless surveys just to prove a point.
LoL ... so in other words you don't want to get into the facts but still want to proclaim that you are right and [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] is wrong... whatta truly original and ingenious way to debate, your way or the highway ehh ?
So you have time to post, but don't have time to research whatever claims you make in your posts.
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LoL ... so in other words you don't want to get into the facts but still want to proclaim that you are right and [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] is wrong... whatta truly original and ingenious way to debate, your way or the highway ehh ?
Not at all, my point was that a survey with a selective sample size produced with a partisan slant is next to useless. If I produced my own survey with a larger sample size it would be biased as well, only difference being I wouldn't lie about it.
When exactly did I lie? I have given the details of the process I followed in doing the survey, and why I chose the particular time that I did.
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How do we know you are NOT lying without seeing your survey?
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About being biased? Because I already told you I would be biased, others might lie about it and pretend their work presented is free from bias, that is up to them.
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You are saying you have bias < > Otehrs also have bias or they are lying.
As per the data size every surveys takes limited sample only no one can cover everything.India have too many local media based on language I have hardly seen any article on Paksitan in our local media.
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But you would say that. If in fact you had said, "Captain you are right, that is a very good point you have raised there" you would have proved me wrong and shown there is no bias in your claim.
This is essentially the same thing what I said .... how do you know you are right about your claim that [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] is lying without providing facts and your own analysis to go with it ?
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How would me producing my own carefully selected sample prove anything? It would be a counter argument at best between two biased parties.
The point is to first actually prove that Napa's sampling is faulty and biased. Since you are so convinced that it is biased it should be very easy to prove that.
In other words I can pretty much dismiss most of your views that you have expressed on this forum against India/ Indians using your own "logic" .
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You do that anyway with or without my logic. Thus proving my logic.
Indeed, in you delusional world your claim "I have never seen anyone going as crazy" about ONE incident has more value than a survey.
I have given the reason for selection of the time (it was when I replied to the thread and not chosen to produce a particular result). Instead of going on about 'time bias', why don't you do your own survey over a longer period of time if you don't find my survey convincing.
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They are obsessed. Do a simple Google search Pakistan and click news. Majority of the articles will be from biased Indians who's entire job is to create paranoia and spread hate. NOW that is obsession.
1. Your suggested methodology is flawed because of the large size of the Indian media. You may get many articles on Pakistan in the Indian media, but it may be a small number in terms of percentage.
2. Even your flawed methodology doesn't support your argument. I followed your methodology and the results for the first screen are (for my US location):
UK 3 (Independent, Reuters, Financial Times)
US 1 (Washington Post)
Pakistan 1 (Geo News)
India 1 (Economic Times) "India grants land ownership rights to refugees who fled Pakistan 70 years ago". Even this is not an article to "create paranoia and spread hate".
Middle East 1 (Aljazeera)
So instead of "Majority of the articles" we have only 1/7 being an article from a Indian source and 0 designed to "create paranoia and spread hate".
Your hypothesis is a complete bust!
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Shahid Afridi posted a tweet about India and that tweet had the Indian media ranting for days. Even A-list celebrities made comments either via Twitter or interviews.
On the other hand Gambhir just gave an anti-Pakistan interview, said all Pakistanis should be banned but yet no one in Pakistan has reacted(expect few posters on this forum). No Pakistani celebrity is tweeting about nor have I seen any media channel discussing GG's comment. Even if a news channel covers it, it probably won't get coverage anywhere to what Afridi got in India.
So admit or not, it seems pretty obvious which side is more obessed.
On the other hand Gambhir just gave an anti-Pakistan interview, said all Pakistanis should be banned but yet no one in Pakistan has reacted(expect few posters on this forum). No Pakistani celebrity is tweeting about nor have I seen any media channel discussing GG's comment. Even if a news channel covers it, it probably won't get coverage anywhere to what Afridi got in India.
So admit or not, it seems pretty obvious which side is more obessed.
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Afridi is asking for split of India while Gambhir is asking to stay neutral,not sure how these are equal.
Gambhir once liked a tweet implying all Muslims are violent and barbaric but yet no one in Pakistan cared( The tweet should still be in his liked tweets, although you may have to scroll down a lot as it was years ago).
The fact is Pakistani media and general public don't care about GG while Afridi is a huge star even in India, So again it's clear who is more obsessed,
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Random retweets doesn’t matter but here Gambhir didn’t made any comment against sovereignty of Pakistan while Afridi did.
Its your own assumption that I will just blindly dismiss your counter posts without rhime or reason. If you dont trust others to engage with you in a meaningful fact based discussion why even bother with such threads then ?
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Just tuned into Aaj Tak which is a mainstream India channel and they are doing a full out seat by seat coverage of Pakistan's election.Kind of shocked,is it normal for Pakistani elections to get this much coverage in India?
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My question is, why are you tuning into an Indian channel?
I dont think I even get any Indian channels lol
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Their coverage is no differnet to how Geo/Ary are covering the elections. If one didnt know better, they would think Aaj Tak was a Pakistani channel.
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I get a few Indian news channels with my cable service so tuned into see if they cared about the election. Didnt expect to see full blown coverage.
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Not really sure why you think so. First of all, unless someone lived considerable amount of time in both India and Pak, you can't really make claims like this. Moreover, Social media isn't the true reflection of ground reality. I am from South India and in South, each state has it's own regional channels and news papers and they rarely cover anything Pak related. Trust me, 90% of the time they cover stuff about local celebs, local politics and national politics. I rarely ever had a discussion with friends or relatives about Pakistan ( except during Ind-Pak cricket matches ofcourse). Majority of people have enough problems of their own to deal with to even worry or obsess about Pak or US or any other country for that matter.
It is a bit too much, but there was similar coverage on some channels for the US election.
Indians are obsessed with news, whether it's Pakistan or USA. Love debates, and news. It' a good thing, as they are well-informed and the most global citizens out there.
However, on a daily level, between individuals, it's Pakistan obsessed with Indians, like even here, we see so many posts and comparison around India . It's surreal...
However, on a daily level, between individuals, it's Pakistan obsessed with Indians, like even here, we see so many posts and comparison around India . It's surreal...
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Indian media is one of the worse i have saw they are obessed with pakistan election so much that is mind boggling
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Bollywood and media, the 2 biggest culprits. Itna nafrat achha nahin health ke liye.
Indian people by and large have still not fully accepted 1947. When debating Pak their news anchors give the impression that they are still talking about their home. It is a disease in the minds that refuses to accept reality. I am not saying all their people are like that but the Indian media certainly is.
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Rubbish. The Indian media considers Pakistan an enemy territory and in no way gives the impression that India has anything to do with it.
You missed the point completely. Enemy off course yet your media still looks upon it as stolen/lost territory.
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No, it doesn't. As an Indian, I'd know better on the topic.
No you don't! Indian news channels like any other are available online for everyone to watch.
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It is right that we don't get to watch Pakistani channels here in our Set Top Boxes/Dish TV/Tata Sky etc. But on youtube I have seen tons of indians commenting on Pakistani debates, news shows, songs, prank videos. Same with Pakistani people commenting on indian news/songs on youtube.
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Start using Youtube and observe how many indians actually do watch Pakistani news shows etc and comment there. People from both countries are obsessed with each other.
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