Why are "some" Indians so obsessed with Pakistan?

[cricketjoshila]

You missed the point completely. Enemy off course yet your media still looks upon it as stolen/lost territory.

No one does. Many are happy that Pakistan is not a part of India.

 

[PakLFC]

No one does. Many are happy that Pakistan is not a part of India.

Off course they are. Similarly millions of "Akhand Bharat" type are not happpy at all. Got this map from an Indian website where they want to claim all the territory they consider as being lost

 

[saeedhk]

Just look at the comments under any article mentioning india in Pakistani news website or the number of indians who come to defend india on pakistani forumns. Pakistanis dont visit indian forumns or news websites. Yes people here watch movies and listen to indian songs but that is just for entertainment purpose. We dont pay your political opinions enough consideration to specifically sign up and engage in pointless debate.

Agreed.

 

[Kriketer]

Even in social media you see a lot more Indians bashing Pakistan at every random thread, news article and posts. They are fed garbage from their media and movies so it continuously runs in their mind.

Not saying Pakistanis on social media don't do it, but Indians just do it everywhere in loads and loads. Sad really what they have become. Though you do see some sane ones posting about peace and friendship once in a while, so we have to appreciate and promote them.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Considering the amount of abuse & hate in reply to tweets from Indian accounts on twitter it seems that Indian’s are more hurt by <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GeneralElection2018?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GeneralElection2018</a> than anyone at home.</p>— Iftikhar Firdous (@IftikharFirdous) <a href="https://twitter.com/IftikharFirdous/status/1022390518817415168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Bewal Express]

Its really sad and disturbing that the Ind media in particular has got its knickers in a real twist. In normal times i couldnt care less but at this juncture when tensions are high, these things matter.

 

[enkidu_]

Off course they are. Similarly millions of "Akhand Bharat" type are not happpy at all. Got this map from an Indian website where they want to claim all the territory they consider as being lost

Indeed, Akhand Bharat idea is very popular in the RSS, which is ideologically linked to the BJP, itself more ambiguous (Modi before used to talk of that, but then changed his tune, like "an Akhand Bharat would end up as an Islamic majority"). But analysts note that the RSS is getting stronger :

The Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) is a Hindu umbrella group which is the ideological inspiration for PM Modi's rightwing Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP). RSS, which presents itself as a cultural organization, advocates a Hindu nationalistic agenda under the banner of "Hindutva" or "Hinduness."

Founded in 1925, the RSS today boasts six million active members. Most of the BJP's leaders, including Modi, have a long history as members of the volunteer movement. The group threw its weight behind Modi ahead of his crushing 2014 election victory over Congress.

Over the past couple of years, the organization has become even more influential and managed to place its ardent followers in the highest ranks of government. RSS says it has recently seen a spike in its membership requests, indicating its growing popularity among sections of the Indian populace.

"The RSS has always had a long-term plan. Today, it's in a position to influence the highest decision-making in the country and has its people in key positions in both government and outside. They believe in this robust nationalism," Rahul Gupta, an academic, told DW.

"Over the past four months, more than 125,000 urban dwellers have become members of the organization and many of them joined online," added Gupta.
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https://www.dw.com/en/rss-indias-hindu-nationalists-spread-their-wings-far-and-wide/a-44588126

and that's how the Akhand Bharat idea is important for the RSS :

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Outside the RSS’s headquarters in Keshav Kunj in Jhandewalan, west Delhi, a book titled Pratyek Rashtrabhakta Ka Sapna: Akhand Bharat (Dream of every patriot: Akhand Bharat), written by one Dr Sadanand Damodar Sapre, is on sale. The book says: “We can put the map of Akhand Bharat in our home so that it is always before our eyes. If the map of Akhand Bharat is in our hearts, we will be offended every time we see the map of divided India on Doordarshan, newspapers and magazines, and remind us of the resolution of Akhand Bharat.”

Sapre writes of making the idea of Akhand Bharat “possible through our manliness (purusharth)”. “People who want Akhand Bharat must continue their efforts with indefatigable self-confidence. This is need of the hour,” says a line in the book .

RSS literature — books and songs — is replete with references to “Akhand Bharat”, and continues to be sold at book shops run by the organisation. The first edition of Sapre’s book was published in 1997. Its fourth edition was published in January 2015 by Archna Prakashan, Bhopal.
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https://blogs.timesofindia.indiatim...-like-minded-nations-is-a-more-feasible-goal/

 

[cricketjoshila]

Off course they are. Similarly millions of "Akhand Bharat" type are not happpy at all. Got this map from an Indian website where they want to claim all the territory they consider as being lost

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Some random website is representative of millions of Indians.lol.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Some random website is representative of millions of Indians.lol.

Akhand Bharat was a popular dream of the Hindutva right, only the realisation that it would in fact strengthen the Muslim mix killed that fantasy, I believe Vajpayee was the Indian leader who eventually realised it and distanced the BJP from that goal. Now many Hindus probably view partition of India a good thing, including you yourself.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Akhand Bharat was a popular dream of the Hindutva right, only the realisation that it would in fact strengthen the Muslim mix killed that fantasy, I believe Vajpayee was the Indian leader who eventually realised it and distanced the BJP from that goal. Now many Hindus probably view partition of India a good thing, including you yourself.

Can you tell me when did BJP talk about Akhand Bharat?

 

[TM Riddle]

Akhand Bharat was a popular dream of the Hindutva right, only the realisation that it would in fact strengthen the Muslim mix killed that fantasy, I believe Vajpayee was the Indian leader who eventually realised it and distanced the BJP from that goal. Now many Hindus probably view partition of India a good thing, including you yourself.

Akhand Bharat is a popular dream of as many Indians as there are Pakistanis who wish for Ghazwa-e-Hind.
But of course since that goes against your agenda you can discredit this post of mine.

 

[BlackShadow]

Off course they are. Similarly millions of "Akhand Bharat" type are not happpy at all. Got this map from an Indian website where they want to claim all the territory they consider as being lost

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Oh, you got it from some Indian website, sounds legit.

Pakistanis believe that partition hurt India like East Pakistan's independence hurt Pakistanis, but that's not true. It is this inherent insecurity in Pakistanis that makes you spend billions on weapons you clearly can't afford. Look at Bangladesh, as former India territory, how much do they feel threatened by the Akhand Bharat ideology? How many billions are they spending for their so called "kaumi salamati"? Pakistani army is doing it's best to portray a non-existent threat as reality, and sadly the gullible awaam has fallen for this.

 

[TM Riddle]

Oh, you got it from some Indian website, sounds legit.

Pakistanis believe that partition hurt India like East Pakistan's independence hurt Pakistanis, but that's not true. It is this inherent insecurity in Pakistanis that makes you spend billions on weapons you clearly can't afford. Look at Bangladesh, as former India territory, how much do they feel threatened by the Akhand Bharat ideology? How many billions are they spending for their so called "kaumi salamati"? Pakistani army is doing it's best to portray a non-existent threat as reality, and sadly the gullible awaam has fallen for this.

Incidentally the same image portrays Tibet and Nepal being part of India in the past.
Tells you everything you need to know about general IQ of these religious nutjobs.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

THE RSS’s VIEW

In response to Al Jazeera anchor Mehdi Hasan’s question regarding a map he had seen at an RSS office which showed Pakistan and Bangladesh as part of India, Madhav had said, “The RSS still believes that one day these parts, which have for historical reasons separated only 60 years ago, will again, through popular goodwill, come together and Akhand Bharat will be created.”

It’s a view the RSS, which was formed in 1925, started propagating in 1947, after Partition. At a press conference in Delhi on August 24, 1949, after the government lifted the ban on the RSS — imposed on it for its role in Gandhi’s assassination — M S Golwalkar, the organisation’s second sarsanghchalak, termed Pakistan an “uncertain state”. “As far as possible, we must continue our efforts to unite these two divided states…Nobody is happy with Partition,” he had said. He had repeated this view at another press conference held in Kolkata on September 7, 1949.

Bhartiya Jansangh (BJS), as the BJP was known earlier, passed a resolution at its meeting in Delhi on August 17, 1965, which stated, “India’s tradition and nationality has not been against any religion. Modern Islam should also not be an obstacle in the way of unity of Indian nation. Real obstacle is separatist politics. Muslims will integrate themselves with the national life and Akhand Bharat will be a reality, unifying India and Pakistan once we are able to remove this obstacle (separatist politics).”

BEYOND PAKISTAN: TIBET, LANKA & AFGHANISTAN

RSS’s idea of “Akhand Bharat” includes not only Pakistan and Bangladesh, but also Afghanistan, Myanmar, Sri Lanka and Tibet. It terms the combined region as a “Rashtra” based on “Hindu cultural” similarities.

Suruchi Prakashan, a publishing house run by the RSS, has brought out a map called ‘Punyabhoomi Bharat’ in which Afghanistan is called “Upganathan”, Kabul “Kubha Nagar”, Peshawar “Purushpur”, Multan “Moolsthan”, Tibet “Trivishtap,” Sri Lanka “Singhaldweep” and Myanmar “Brahmadesh”, among others.

MORE LITERATURE

Outside the RSS’s headquarters in Keshav Kunj in Jhandewalan, west Delhi, a book titled Pratyek Rashtrabhakta Ka Sapna: Akhand Bharat (Dream of every patriot: Akhand Bharat), written by one Dr Sadanand Damodar Sapre, is on sale. The book says: “We can put the map of Akhand Bharat in our home so that it is always before our eyes. If the map of Akhand Bharat is in our hearts, we will be offended every time we see the map of divided India on Doordarshan, newspapers and magazines, and remind us of the resolution of Akhand Bharat.”

Sapre writes of making the idea of Akhand Bharat “possible through our manliness (purusharth)”. “People who want Akhand Bharat must continue their efforts with indefatigable self-confidence. This is need of the hour,” says a line in the book .

RSS literature — books and songs — is replete with references to “Akhand Bharat”, and continues to be sold at book shops run by the organisation. The first edition of Sapre’s book was published in 1997. Its fourth edition was published in January 2015 by Archna Prakashan, Bhopal.

But all publications insist Akhand Bharat is a “cultural” entity, not a national or political one.

The late HV Sheshadri, who was sarkaryawah for many years, in his book, The Tragic Story of Partition (first edition in 1982, last in 2014), writes, “There is always the possibility that the divided halves will seize the first opportunity to nullify the unnatural division. Such a possibility need not to be ruled out in respect of Bharat, Pakistan and Bangladesh too.” He talks of the “ancient national roots” of Pakistan being “essentially Hindu” and raises a question, “Would it be a surprise if a state (Pakistan) based on such specious and artificial presumptions and devoid of any philosophical base would one day choose to enrich its life by returning to its ancient mother culture?”

Advocating the possibility of re-unification, he continues, “Gradually, the truth would one day dawn upon them (Pakistan and Bangladesh) that they have not, after all, benefited from Partition, and that their physical and mental happiness could result only from their union with Bharat and its cultural heritage.”

https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/rss-akhand-bharat/

A fairly comprehensive analysis of the idea of Akhand Bharat and it's promotion in Hindutva circles. It's published in an Indian newspaper.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

uruchi Prakashan, a publishing house run by the RSS, has brought out a map called ‘Punyabhoomi Bharat’ in which Afghanistan is called “Upganathan”, Kabul “Kubha Nagar”, Peshawar “Purushpur”, Multan “Moolsthan”, Tibet “Trivishtap,” Sri Lanka “Singhaldweep” and Myanmar “Brahmadesh”, among others. A caption, in Sanskrit, below the map reads, “All that’s south of the Himalayas and north of the Indian Ocean is Bharat”. There are several other RSS publications, including a book titled, Pratyek Rashtrabhakta Ka Sapna: Akhand Bharat (Dream of every patriot: Akhand Bharat), that champions the cause of Akhand Bharat.

From the same article above titled "RSS and the idea of Akhand Bharat"

 

[BlackShadow]

Incidentally the same image portrays Tibet and Nepal being part of India in the past.
Tells you everything you need to know about general IQ of these religious nutjobs.

You will find these nutjobs everywhere, and this isn't just exclusive to religious people. In Pakistan, the Gazw-e-Hind brigade still dreams of occupying the entire South Asia, while our Chinese friends have half of South/SE Asia marked as their "ancient territory" that rightfully belongs to them.

 

[TM Riddle]

You will find these nutjobs everywhere, and this isn't just exclusive to religious people. In Pakistan, the Gazw-e-Hind brigade still dreams of occupying the entire South Asia, while our Chinese friends have half of South/SE Asia marked as their "ancient territory" that rightfully belongs to them.

True that. These fanatics exist in every society and so long as their destructive aspirations do not toe the line with the secular order of society , it's best to ignore them.
But of course you can always use them as an example to score points over web.

 

[enkidu_]

You will find these nutjobs everywhere, and this isn't just exclusive to religious people. In Pakistan, the Gazw-e-Hind brigade still dreams of occupying the entire South Asia, while our Chinese friends have half of South/SE Asia marked as their "ancient territory" that rightfully belongs to them.

Who talks of Ghazwa e Hind among the major political parties in Pak (PTI/PML-N/PPP, in that order), or their apolitical ideological supporters ? Even within the restraint circles of Islamist parties, which never had much electoral successes, the most prominent one - Jamaat e Islami - never mentions it. Only major Islamist leader I can think of is Hafiz Saeed, who fielded some 300 candidates (incl. his son), not getting a single seat on the national/provincial level in the latest elections.

On the other hand, the RSS has more than 6 millions members - to give you an idea, votes-wise they'd be Pakistan's 3rd party in the 2013 general elections -, not counting the informal adherents/supporters who are always more numerous, and Akhand Bharat is omnipresent in their rhetoric.

Add to that the congenital ideological relationship it entertains with the ruling party, the BJP, which itself was vocal about Akhand Bharat years ago.

Which "half of South/SE Asia" are the nutjobs in China claiming ?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

The obsession of Indians is very obvious and it's expected. Pakistan is a neighbouring country and an enemy state. What I find laughable is how Indians pretend no such obsession exists. It does and it's obvious guys.

 

[BlackShadow]

Who talks of Ghazwa e Hind among the major political parties in Pak (PTI/PML-N/PPP, in that order), or their apolitical ideological supporters ? Even within the restraint circles of Islamist parties, which never had much electoral successes, the most prominent one - Jamaat e Islami - never mentions it. Only major Islamist leader I can think of is Hafiz Saeed, who fielded some 300 candidates (incl. his son), not getting a single seat on the national/provincial level in the latest elections.

On the other hand, the RSS has more than 6 millions members - to give you an idea, votes-wise they'd be Pakistan's 3rd party in the 2013 general elections -, not counting the informal adherents/supporters who are always more numerous, and Akhand Bharat is omnipresent in their rhetoric.

Add to that the congenital ideological relationship it entertains with the ruling party, the BJP, which itself was vocal about Akhand Bharat years ago.

Which "half of South/SE Asia" are the nutjobs in China claiming ?

Many of my friends are current RSS members, so all of them dream of Akhand Bharat too? You are clueless about how RSS works or what it is like being an RSS member. A hindu equivalent of you would probably label Madarsas as a training ground for ISIS recruits, and that will be outrageous!

The people you talk of are the kinds even I haven't come across, and that's coming from someone with a strong RSS affiliation. Other Indian posters here will likely tell you the same. But no, you pretend to know everything just because Google helps you find articles to reinforce your already bigoted opinion.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Who talks of Ghazwa e Hind among the major political parties in Pak (PTI/PML-N/PPP, in that order), or their apolitical ideological supporters ? Even within the restraint circles of Islamist parties, which never had much electoral successes, the most prominent one - Jamaat e Islami - never mentions it. Only major Islamist leader I can think of is Hafiz Saeed, who fielded some 300 candidates (incl. his son), not getting a single seat on the national/provincial level in the latest elections.

On the other hand, the RSS has more than 6 millions members - to give you an idea, votes-wise they'd be Pakistan's 3rd party in the 2013 general elections -, not counting the informal adherents/supporters who are always more numerous, and Akhand Bharat is omnipresent in their rhetoric.

Add to that the congenital ideological relationship it entertains with the ruling party, the BJP, which itself was vocal about Akhand Bharat years ago.

Which "half of South/SE Asia" are the nutjobs in China claiming ?

I think that's the key difference. In Pakistan religious nut jobs are able to muster up some street power. In India they have been able to translate that power into political representation. Which is fine they can elect who they want but please guys step off the moral high ground.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

True that. These fanatics exist in every society and so long as their destructive aspirations do not toe the line with the secular order of society , it's best to ignore them.
But of course you can always use them as an example to score points over web.

Not just the web TM, your media is talking about Taliban Khan on tv, maybe you should try preaching that message to them.

 

[enkidu_]

Many of my friends are current RSS members, so all of them dream of Akhand Bharat too? You are clueless about how RSS works or what it is like being an RSS member. A hindu equivalent of you would probably label Madarsas as a training ground for ISIS recruits, and that will be outrageous!

The people you talk of are the kinds even I haven't come across, and that's coming from someone with a strong RSS affiliation. Other Indian posters here will likely tell you the same. But no, you pretend to know everything just because Google helps you find articles to reinforce your already bigoted opinion.

Your "friends" aren't representative of the RSS leadership/ideology AFAIK ? This guy was in the news recently for the lynching comments, but perhaps your "friends" have more significance than him ?

Senior RSS functionary Indresh Kumar has appealed to the youth in the country to take a vow to unite parts of India separated from it and make the dream of 'Akhand Bharat' a reality.
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Going back into history, Kumar said, 'Mahabharat' war was fought 5,154 years ago. After the war, Yudhishtir became the emperor of this great nation, which was spread from "last corner of Indian Ocean to Himalayas".This meant, Iraq, Iran, Nepal, Afghanistan, Brahmadesh (Myanmar), Sri Lanka, Bhutan and Indonesia, among others, were once parts of Bharat. This great country faced constant attacks from Huns, Kushans, Mughals and British, he said.

"Though the boundaries of Bharat have shrunk over the centuries, the country is still maintaining its own identity and cultural values," he stated. Kumar said the country got independence not because of 'Quit India' or 'non co-operation' movements of Mahatma Gandhi, but because of armed force, Azad Hind Sena, formed by Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose. It was because of the revolution led by Bose that British had no alternative but to leave the country, the RSS veteran said.

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/repor...youth-to-make-akhand-bharat-a-reality-2245368

Also, are your "friends" more influential when it comes to assess the Party's ideology than Mohan Bhagwat, you know, the very chief of RSS ?

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[TM Riddle]

Not just the web TM, your media is talking about Taliban Khan on tv, maybe you should try preaching that message to them.

I have always maintained that Indian media is one of the worst comprising of talentless hacks having vested interests and no ethical standards whatsoever.

 

[TM Riddle]

I think that's the key difference. In Pakistan religious nut jobs are able to muster up some street power. In India they have been able to translate that power into political representation. Which is fine they can elect who they want but please guys step off the moral high ground.

DV don't you think it might be because of Pakistan being >95% Muslim country that the religious parties have nothing different (along the lines of Hindu nationalism in India's case) to offer to the awam?

 

[BlackShadow]

Your "friends" aren't representative of the RSS leadership/ideology AFAIK ? This guy was in the news recently for the lynching comments, but perhaps your "friends" have more significance than him ?



http://www.dnaindia.com/india/repor...youth-to-make-akhand-bharat-a-reality-2245368

Also, are your "friends" more influential when it comes to assess the Party's ideology than Mohan Bhagwat, you know, the very chief of RSS ?

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You are very selective about the content you provide. Several RSS leaders have also mentioned that "Akhand Bharat" is an idea of brotherhood between South Asian countries with shared culture and heritage. You would never share articles like this -

Sangh insiders say it is in consonance with the concept mooted in 1964.
Talks between India and Pakistan have always been a tricky issue, and lately, the Narendra Modi government was faced with the cancellation of talks between the National Security Advisers of the two nations.

So, on the last day of the Samanvay Baithak (coordination meeting) between the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh and the Bharatiya Janata Party, when Dattatreya Hosabale, joint general secretary of the Sangh, gave political cover for the government to pursue dialogue with Pakistan, it came as a surprise. Many believed the Sangh’s idea of “Akhand Bharat”, or unified India, which included parts of the subcontinent sundered from it, would not favour support for talks with Pakistan.

RSS insiders, however, say the stand is in consonance with the concept of “Akhand Bharat” declared on April 12, 1964, by the former Jan Sangh president Deendayal Upadhyaya and the socialist leader Ram Manohar Lohia.

“India is part of SAARC and has family-like cultural relations with neighbouring countries, be it Nepal, Sri Lanka, Pakistan or Bangladesh. It was one body which was divided to form Pakistan and Bangladesh. It is natural that people living there are part of the same family,” Mr. Hosabale had said.

When reminded that there had been a spike in infiltration and cross-border firing between India and at least one of the “brother” countries, he replied, “Sometimes relations [go bad], like it happens between brothers and so we also discussed how we can improve our relations with those who are historically and geographically attached to us.” Mahesh Sharma, who heads the Deendayal Shodh Sansthan (Deendayal Research Centre) and is considered an expert on the Jan Sangh leader, says the RSS’s stance is “hardly new”.

“In a statement co-signed by Deendayal Upadhyaya and Ram Manohar Lohia in 1962, the conception of ‘Akhand Bharat’ is very clear. Both said that the division between India and Pakistan was historically proven as based on artificial grounds, and the governments of the two countries always indulged in tooti baatcheet [piecemeal dialogue] and toota vichar [piecemeal thinking],” he said.

Instead, he says, the Sangh Parivar has always said that a comprehensive framework should be established for talks.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...s-cover-for-talks-with-pak/article7620022.ece

If anything, the idea of Akhand Bharat is what South Asia needs. A bunch of idiots misinterpreting it doesn't really mean a lot. As I research this more, I can see several RSS leaders clarifying it multiple times, but this isn't something you were looking for, so this isn't something you care to share.

 

[enkidu_]

You are very selective about the content you provide. Several RSS leaders have also mentioned that "Akhand Bharat" is an idea of brotherhood between South Asian countries with shared culture and heritage. You would never share articles like this -

If anything, the idea of Akhand Bharat is what South Asia needs. A bunch of idiots misinterpreting it doesn't really mean a lot. As I research this more, I can see several RSS leaders clarifying it multiple times, but this isn't something you were looking for, so this isn't something you care to share.

So Mohan Bhagwat is an idiot ? He literally says in the first part of the itw that Pakistan is a "temporary phenomenon". When they talk of cosmetic economic or cultural regional integration, or even a sort of cute confederation, it's to have a federation named Akhand Bharat ("united India") in the future, without the nation-States of Pakistan/Bangladesh/etc no RSS leader thinks of Akhand Bharat as some sort of EU which would "preserve" an Islamic republic like Pak.

 

[Greenstorm]

Many of my friends are current RSS members, so all of them dream of Akhand Bharat too? You are clueless about how RSS works or what it is like being an RSS member. A hindu equivalent of you would probably label Madarsas as a training ground for ISIS recruits, and that will be outrageous!

The people you talk of are the kinds even I haven't come across, and that's coming from someone with a strong RSS affiliation. Other Indian posters here will likely tell you the same. But no, you pretend to know everything just because Google helps you find articles to reinforce your already bigoted opinion.

Many Indian posters here are doing the same.

 

[the Great Khan]

Well lets do a test. In all of the speeches by Imran khan or showbaaz, or bilawal can the Indian posters on here post videos or transcripts where these leaders have used india as a tool to gain votes? then lets compare that to the pevious Indian elections or even a recent election say the UP one?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Don't know about others, but the people I know including me don't even think of Pakistan unless there is some cricket match. I only come to PP to read the cricket related news and am often busy in the cricket section.

 

[BlackShadow]

So Mohan Bhagwat is an idiot ? He literally says in the first part of the itw that Pakistan is a "temporary phenomenon". When they talk of cosmetic economic or cultural regional integration, or even a sort of cute confederation, it's to have a federation named Akhand Bharat ("united India") in the future, without the nation-States of Pakistan/Bangladesh/etc no RSS leader thinks of Akhand Bharat as some sort of EU which would "preserve" an Islamic republic like Pak.

Akhand Bharat as an idea promotes dialogue and cooperation, a greater people to people contact. It refuses to recognize artificial boundaries as a dividing force, and I have heard exact words from the likes of Captain Rishwat and you too when it comes to claiming Punjabi Khatris or Bollywood Khans/Kapoors.

Even the RSS members like Mohan Bhagwat who dream of an eventual unification dream of it not by force, but by Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis choosing to do so. Yes we can call it wet dream and mock these people as much as we want, but to paint them as right wing extremists waiting to wage a war against Pakistan or Bangladesh is ridiculous.

 

[Greenstorm]

Akhand Bharat as an idea promotes dialogue and cooperation, a greater people to people contact. It refuses to recognize artificial boundaries as a dividing force, and I have heard exact words from the likes of Captain Rishwat and you too when it comes to claiming Punjabi Khatris or Bollywood Khans/Kapoors.

Even the RSS members like Mohan Bhagwat who dream of an eventual unification dream of it not by force, but by Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis choosing to do so. Yes we can call it wet dream and mock these people as much as we want, but to paint them as right wing extremists waiting to wage a war against Pakistan or Bangladesh is ridiculous.

Didn't Mohan Bhagwat, in that clip, claimed that he can achieve this dream in 10 years if they get strong enough support ?

 

[enkidu_]

Akhand Bharat as an idea promotes dialogue and cooperation, a greater people to people contact. It refuses to recognize artificial boundaries as a dividing force, and I have heard exact words from the likes of Captain Rishwat and you too when it comes to claiming Punjabi Khatris or Bollywood Khans/Kapoors.

Even the RSS members like Mohan Bhagwat who dream of an eventual unification dream of it not by force, but by Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis choosing to do so. Yes we can call it wet dream and mock these people as much as we want, but to paint them as right wing extremists waiting to wage a war against Pakistan or Bangladesh is ridiculous.

Talking of Bollywood or byriani doesn't mean that you consider the borders "artificial" and refute the Two Nation Theory (TNT).

Anyway I hope you're right for the sake of the region, that the Akhand Bharat is what you portray and RSS/BJP/others aim for peaceful cultural/commercial collaboration within the current State-nations configuration in the region.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Talking of Bollywood or byriani doesn't mean that you consider the borders "artificial" and refute the Two Nation Theory (TNT).

Anyway I hope you're right for the sake of the region, that the Akhand Bharat is what you portray and RSS/BJP/others aim for peaceful cultural/commercial collaboration within the current State-nations configuration in the region.

Don't know why people want to remain exclusive and create borders. When I see a Pakistani or Indian or Bangladeshi, they look the same to me. We are essentially the same people, both inside and outside.

 

[BlackShadow]

Didn't Mohan Bhagwat, in that clip, claimed that he can achieve this dream in 10 years if they get strong enough support ?

Just before that he mentions that governments won't do it, society will. RSS has pushed Indian govt for dialogue with Pakistan in the past as you can read in the article I shared. Principally, RSS always been very consistent with their calls for a greater cultural and social exchange because they hope to bring Pakistanis and Bangladeshis back to their roots.

 

[TM Riddle]

Don't know why people want to remain exclusive and create borders. When I see a Pakistani or Indian or Bangladeshi, they look the same to me. We are essentially the same people, both inside and outside.

) That won't go so well with a certain someone .

 

[Greenstorm]

Don't know why people want to remain exclusive and create borders. When I see a Pakistani or Indian or Bangladeshi, they look the same to me. We are essentially the same people, both inside and outside.

 

[Messi]

Off course they are. Similarly millions of "Akhand Bharat" type are not happpy at all. Got this map from an Indian website where they want to claim all the territory they consider as being lost

LOL the irony in your search habits is rich in thread regarding why Indians are so obsessed with Pakistanis.

Look if i wanted too I could google any sort of mullah that wants a world caliphate. India right now is going through a major transition where positive steps are being made and rapid development is taking place. Im sure Pakistan is viewed some what as a nuisance of an enemy due to their history of terrorism around the world, but as for "obsessed" I dont see it.

Others that visit Indian websites though...

 

[Darkrai]

Because Pakistan rocks.

 

[PakLFC]

LOL the irony in your search habits is rich in thread regarding why Indians are so obsessed with Pakistanis.

Look if i wanted too I could google any sort of mullah that wants a world caliphate. India right now is going through a major transition where positive steps are being made and rapid development is taking place. Im sure Pakistan is viewed some what as a nuisance of an enemy due to their history of terrorism around the world, but as for "obsessed" I dont see it.

Others that visit Indian websites though...

The mullah's who want a caliphate will include many Indian's as well! What has your so called transition that I don't give a damn about got to do with Akhand Bharat syndrome? The purpose of showing you the map is that many Hindu's do believe in it. We also look upon you as terrorists and so do American's like Chuck Hagal who have exposed Indian terrorism in Baluchistan and FATA. I am afraid seeing your cheap shows since IK won the election it is obvious that India is terrified of ISI and the military being behind Imran Khan being our next PM. You have admitted that Nawaz Sharif was your agent in Pak which is why you have been crying ever since he was imprisoned.

 

[Messi]

The mullah's who want a caliphate will include many Indian's as well! What has your so called transition that I don't give a damn about got to do with Akhand Bharat syndrome? The purpose of showing you the map is that many Hindu's do believe in it. We also look upon you as terrorists and so do American's like Chuck Hagal who have exposed Indian terrorism in Baluchistan and FATA. I am afraid seeing your cheap shows since IK won the election it is obvious that India is terrified of ISI and the military being behind Imran Khan being our next PM. You have admitted that Nawaz Sharif was your agent in Pak which is why you have been crying ever since he was imprisoned.

Youre being silly and i can envision you foaming at the mouth. So because you angrily google "AKHAND BHARAT AKHAND BHARAT!!!!" in your spare time, apparently obsessed with Indians it means "many Hindus do believe in it"?

LOL I suggest you read a book on basic statistics and probabilities, Black Swan would be a good primer IMO. There are close to 1.5 billion Indians plus millions and millions more of Indian origin like myself born and raised outside of India. Just because you googled and found something does not mean its indicative of "many"

I have admitted Nawaz Sharif was my agent in Pak. Uh huh....LOL oh wait I'm afraid seeing IK won. I'm starting to see how Indians are obsessed with Pak more and more by the day.

I genuinely came to the forum today to read some posts on Imran Khan, having met him on a few occasions. I can see hes got his work cut out for him if some of the posters here are the so called educated class.

 

[PakLFC]

Youre being silly and i can envision you foaming at the mouth. So because you angrily google "AKHAND BHARAT AKHAND BHARAT!!!!" in your spare time, apparently obsessed with Indians it means "many Hindus do believe in it"?

LOL I suggest you read a book on basic statistics and probabilities, Black Swan would be a good primer IMO. There are close to 1.5 billion Indians plus millions and millions more of Indian origin like myself born and raised outside of India. Just because you googled and found something does not mean its indicative of "many"

I have admitted Nawaz Sharif was my agent in Pak. Uh huh....LOL oh wait I'm afraid seeing IK won. I'm starting to see how Indians are obsessed with Pak more and more by the day.

I genuinely came to the forum today to read some posts on Imran Khan, having met him on a few occasions. I can see hes got his work cut out for him if some of the posters here are the so called educated class.

You envision wrongly as always, you don't want your nonsensical views to be challenged. Yes many Hindu's do believe in this absurd dream no matter how much you deny it to save face.

So what if you are born outside India, big deal!! The population of India even without you is well above 1 billion from which millions would want an "Akhand Bharat". It is simple common sense of which you seem to have none.

You have no choice other then to admit NS being your puppet when it is on video. Had it not been you would have denied it. Damn right you are obsessed with Pak, ISI and our military coz you were hoping for some other Indian stooge to replace him in Islamabad which did not happen. Ever since IK won India has been doing countless programmes bashing him for yesterdays speech accusing him of encouraging terrorism when he said no such thing then you say we are not "obsessed with Pakistan". Problem with Indian people is they can't handle a Pak patriot who calls it like it is. You came on this forum by your own free will and are not doing anyone any favours. I am not here to please or agree with you.

 

[TheLastGreatMan]

You envision wrongly as always, you don't want your nonsensical views to be challenged. Yes many Hindu's do believe in this absurd dream no matter how much you deny it to save face.

So what if you are born outside India, big deal!! The population of India even without you is well above 1 billion from which millions would want an "Akhand Bharat". It is simple common sense of which you seem to have none.

You have no choice other then to admit NS being your puppet when it is on video. Had it not been you would have denied it. Damn right you are obsessed with Pak, ISI and our military coz you were hoping for some other Indian stooge to replace him in Islamabad which did not happen. Ever since IK won India has been doing countless programmes bashing him for yesterdays speech accusing him of encouraging terrorism when he said no such thing then you say we are not "obsessed with Pakistan". Problem with Indian people is they can't handle a Pak patriot who calls it like it is. You came on this forum by your own free will and are not doing anyone any favours. I am not here to please or agree with you.

Coverage to Pakistan is election is far less than US election in Indian media.Already this news is out of main pages.

 

[PakLFC]

Coverage to Pakistan is election is far less than US election in Indian media.Already this news is out of main pages.

American elections is the biggest news not only in India but everywhere. One would expect Pak elections to no longer be major news in India a few days after they are over. India was not even mentioned by any Pak candidate during the run up to the elections as a means to win. Now in 2019 run up to the Indian elections Pakistan as always will be the main subject of discussion amongst Congress and BJP.

 

[coy0607]

I was quiet surprised to see just how big the Pakistani elections were in the Indian news cycle

Even speaking with a few Indian friends, they seem to know a lot more about Pakistani politics than any Pakistani (that I know) does about Indian politics

I even tuned in to Indian news channels briefly myself to see the converge, it was overwhelming. Talk shows after talk shows dissecting the elections...

Even look at how many times Pakistani political figures (Imran, Mussaraf,, Sharif fam, Reham...) are interviewed by Indian news channels.
I don't know if I have every seen an Indian politician being invited to interview on a Pakistani channel

 

[Pakistanian]

I was quiet surprised to see just how big the Pakistani elections were in the Indian news cycle

Even speaking with a few Indian friends, they seem to know a lot more about Pakistani politics than any Pakistani (that I know) does about Indian politics

I even tuned in to Indian news channels briefly myself to see the converge, it was overwhelming. Talk shows after talk shows dissecting the elections...

Even look at how many times Pakistani political figures (Imran, Mussaraf,, Sharif fam, Reham...) are interviewed by Indian news channels.
I don't know if I have every seen an Indian politician being invited to interview on a Pakistani channel

Lol true. I can't name any Indian politician other than Modi. Pakistan gets a lot more coverage in India.

 

[Syed1]

My Indian friends kept texting me about the election results and how many seats PTI had managed at that point and who had won and who was about to win etc. It seems they were following the elections more than me.


Frankly speaking I found that very annoying

 

[TheLastGreatMan]

I was quiet surprised to see just how big the Pakistani elections were in the Indian news cycle

Even speaking with a few Indian friends, they seem to know a lot more about Pakistani politics than any Pakistani (that I know) does about Indian politics

I even tuned in to Indian news channels briefly myself to see the converge, it was overwhelming. Talk shows after talk shows dissecting the elections...

Even look at how many times Pakistani political figures (Imran, Mussaraf,, Sharif fam, Reham...) are interviewed by Indian news channels.
I don't know if I have every seen an Indian politician being invited to interview on a Pakistani channel

Actually Pakistani election got way less coverage than US/UK election.

 

[CricketCartoons]

I was quiet surprised to see just how big the Pakistani elections were in the Indian news cycle

Even speaking with a few Indian friends, they seem to know a lot more about Pakistani politics than any Pakistani (that I know) does about Indian politics

I even tuned in to Indian news channels briefly myself to see the converge, it was overwhelming. Talk shows after talk shows dissecting the elections...

Even look at how many times Pakistani political figures (Imran, Mussaraf,, Sharif fam, Reham...) are interviewed by Indian news channels.
I don't know if I have every seen an Indian politician being invited to interview on a Pakistani channel

We Indians are big fans of democracy and like to be aware of the world. Nothing to do with Pakistan. We were excited to see Pakistanis participating in the festival of Democracy. That is all.

I was so excited that I wanted to vote for PTI, but satisfied myself by voting for PTI in the online poll created in Time Pass that day.

 

[WebGuru]

Not sure about Indians but Modi is really obsessed it looks like his election campaign is built around this anti Pakistan narrative.

 

[troodon]

Not sure about Indians but Modi is really obsessed it looks like his election campaign is built around this anti Pakistan narrative.

Anti-Pak rhetoric means Votes during elections. Nobody talks about real issues as they can expose the poor job by the Government.

Pulwama attack has riled up the emotions of the people and Modi and his Party are trying to get the maximum mileage out of it. Watch BJP forget about Pulwama after elections.

 

[WebGuru]

Anti-Pak rhetoric means Votes during elections. Nobody talks about real issues as they can expose the poor job by the Government.

Pulwama attack has riled up the emotions of the people and Modi and his Party are trying to get the maximum mileage out of it. Watch BJP forget about Pulwama after elections.

It's sad and funny at the same time that a ruling party is going into elections but isn't talking about what they did in last 4 years instead they are more busy talking about non-issues.

 

[emranabbas]

India's definitely obsessed with Pakistan.

 

[MenInG]

The discussion is about Indians and not this forum - keep comments about this forum of this thread.

 

[Muddaser]

I have yet to come across a youtube video or even a tweet related to Pakistan where an Indian hasnt commented.

Mostly negative comments.

The election campaign going on
tells you how obsessed Indians are with Pakistan.

 

[Bigbb]

It's actually a two way traffic. Both the nations are obsessed with each other for no reason. You can see Pak media highlighting indian election campaign and statements by Modi. And vice versa in 2018 when Pak elections took place.

The media and the political leaders on both sides are feeding off from the mutual hate between the two nations.

 

[Abdullah719]

It's actually a two way traffic. Both the nations are obsessed with each other for no reason. You can see Pak media highlighting indian election campaign and statements by Modi. And vice versa in 2018 when Pak elections took place.

The media and the political leaders on both sides are feeding off from the mutual hate between the two nations.

Pakistani media occasionally highlights gaffes and ridiculous statements from the Indian campaign. But in terms of Pakistani politics, India is not really a major topic during the elections. However, it looks like Pakistan is brought up a lot in the Indian election, specially in the aftermath of Pulwama.

 

[faraz39]

It's actually a two way traffic. Both the nations are obsessed with each other for no reason. You can see Pak media highlighting indian election campaign and statements by Modi. And vice versa in 2018 when Pak elections took place.

The media and the political leaders on both sides are feeding off from the mutual hate between the two nations.

Indian obsession is greater. Just compare the comments section for news stories on Pakistan and India on third part sites.

 

[WebGuru]

I thought only Modi is obsessed but this Amit Shah is on same level!

 

[Mian]

Pakistani youtube videos and news sites are under indian comments attack after trump imran meeting )

 

[PakFan764]

Pakistani youtube videos and news sites are under indian comments attack after trump imran meeting )

They're just so sad.
Talking about Pakistan 24/7 is all they do and keep on posting the same meme again and again.
A bunch of saddos.

 

[Abdullah719]

https://www.republicworld.com/world...-in-pakistan-wonders-if-hes-won-the-world-cup

) ) )

 

[AdamM97]

https://www.republicworld.com/world...-in-pakistan-wonders-if-hes-won-the-world-cup

) ) )

Some people are so petty and are always looking for reasons to show someone in a bad light. Wouldn’t be surprised if someone started blaming Imran Khan for breathing.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">India has produced Missiles with names like Prithvi, Akash, Agni, Trishul and Brahmos which invoke ‘Samyam, Santulan and Sanhar if needed’. Whereas our neighbour names her Missiles after invaders like Babur, Ghori and Ghazanavi which indicates her intention.</p>— Rajnath Singh (@rajnathsingh) <a href="https://twitter.com/rajnathsingh/status/1157646066994466816?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 3, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[WebGuru]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">India has produced Missiles with names like Prithvi, Akash, Agni, Trishul and Brahmos which invoke ‘Samyam, Santulan and Sanhar if needed’. Whereas our neighbour names her Missiles after invaders like Babur, Ghori and Ghazanavi which indicates her intention.</p>— Rajnath Singh (@rajnathsingh) <a href="https://twitter.com/rajnathsingh/status/1157646066994466816?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 3, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Someone should tell him we also got Shaheen, Khalid, Buraq and other military toys with cool names...

 

[Icon]

Saw Shahrukh Khan's new Netflix show's trailer today and guess what it is about... Pakistan.

https://mobile.twitter.com/iamsrk/status/1164481705509396480

Sacred Games was somewhat about Pakistan too and now this.Indians obsession with us is just unreal. The reason they keep on making this stuff is coz they know it will sell.

 

[AdamM97]

Saw Shahrukh Khan's new Netflix show's trailer today and guess what it is about... Pakistan.

https://mobile.twitter.com/iamsrk/status/1164481705509396480

Sacred Games was somewhat about Pakistan too and now this.Indians obsession with us is just unreal. The reason they keep on making this stuff is coz they know it will sell.

Well... at least they acknowledged that Baluchistan is a part of Pakistan.

 

[Icon]

Well... at least they acknowledged that Baluchistan is a part of Pakistan.

I'll give em that

 

[maqbool]

Saw Shahrukh Khan's new Netflix show's trailer today and guess what it is about... Pakistan.

https://mobile.twitter.com/iamsrk/status/1164481705509396480

Sacred Games was somewhat about Pakistan too and now this.Indians obsession with us is just unreal. The reason they keep on making this stuff is coz they know it will sell.

Pakistan is the number 1 selling point in India. Even the current government returned to power using Pakistan.

Suddenly in recent times you see a lot of movies and television series with Pakistan based themes.

Why dont they make such movies against China? Its simple. They are bullies and love hitting on us as our country is weaker. Will they dare do the same against China? Can they ban Chinese goods in their country?

These guys are just cowherds and full of talk. They sent their planes over here like they were playing kabbaddi, Even in that they lost and we captured their plane...lol, then they create a false narrative that they shot down our plane.

 

[daytrader]

Years of anti Pakistan propoganda has had an effect on the general Indian. Obsession with Pakistan has become a part of their identity now, its the hate that keeps them together.

 

[Bilal_103]

Iam tired of Indians obsessing over Pakistan. Its getting very annoying. I was watching a tourism video about Pakistan and in the comments you have Indians bragging about how big the indian economy is. It seems everytime there is anything about Pakistan some Indian keyboard warrior comes out and brags about India...I dont care about your damn economy.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Iam tired of Indians obsessing over Pakistan. Its getting very annoying. I was watching a tourism video about Pakistan and in the comments you have Indians bragging about how big the indian economy is. It seems everytime there is anything about Pakistan some Indian keyboard warrior comes out and brags about India...I dont give a **** about your damn economy.

The irony is that their economy is going down the drain itself

 

[IAJ]

This is actually a bigger problem for the indian muslims. Just to be accepted by the hindus they have to openly speak against Pakistan, otherwise they will be told to move to Pak. Tough days ahead for Bollywood muslims.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This is actually a bigger problem for the indian muslims. Just to be accepted by the hindus they have to openly speak against Pakistan, otherwise they will be told to move to Pak. Tough days ahead for Bollywood muslims.

And who told you this?

May be the people who rejected Pakistan in 1947, still dont appreciate it?

May be they dont like the country that has waged war againist India?

May be they dont like the country which has sponsored terror attacks in India?

May be they dont like to be dragged in by the Pakistanis and want to be left alone?

Who made Pakistan the spokesperson of Indian muslims?

 

[IAJ]

And who told you this?

May be the people who rejected Pakistan in 1947, still dont appreciate it?

May be they dont like the country that has waged war againist India?

May be they dont like the country which has sponsored terror attacks in India?

May be they dont like to be dragged in by the Pakistanis and want to be left alone?

Who made Pakistan the spokesperson of Indian muslims?

Lol, whole post full of questions only.

This is an open forum, so I can type what ever I want. The truth is out there for everyone to see. Whole of Kashmir is locked down, muslims are being attacked by hindu extremists, people are being forced to convert to hinduism, every muslim who raise these issues are called pro-pakistani. Don’t need to go any further away than your darling Arnab to know this. All is well in secular shining India lol.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lol, whole post full of questions only.

This is an open forum, so I can type what ever I want. The truth is out there for everyone to see. Whole of Kashmir is locked down, muslims are being attacked by hindu extremists, people are being forced to convert to hinduism, every muslim who raise these issues are called pro-pakistani. Don’t need to go any further away than your darling Arnab to know this. All is well in secular shining India lol.

Hindus are attacked by muslims too. Just because it isnt posted on PP, doesnot mean it doesnot happen. Hindu Muslim clashes happen all the time.


Muslims are being forced to convert? Where? This is like that love jihad idiocy some RW hindus started.lol.

A post full of questions, because pakistanis have the habit of assuming that any muslim who speaks againist pakistan is doing it againist his will. Get out of this.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Our Indian media is more worried about Pakistani Janta... Yesterday <a href="https://twitter.com/ZeeNews?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ZeeNews</a> was busy covering Tomato, Milk and Petrol prices in Naya Pakistan. <br>When did they last debated on Onion/Petrol prices in India? &#55358;&#56631;* <a href="https://t.co/YbDWZIDbg0">pic.twitter.com/YbDWZIDbg0</a></p>— Mohammed Zubair (@zoo_bear) <a href="https://twitter.com/zoo_bear/status/1194516538381848577?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 13, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[PakLFC]

Now they will be crying even more after Maulana quit the dharna. Just some days back he was all excited thinking a civil war was about to occur in Pak

 

[imrankhannsu]

Not to offend our Indian friends IMO I think the media and the politicians thrive on anti Pakistani propoganda sentiment.

On top of that I think religon plays a role towards those sentiments as well as one of the things Indian Hindus dont like the fact majority Pakistanis eat meat too. Also when two countries have wars with each other then this causes more negative sentiments.

 

[Captain caveman]

Indians are obssessed with pakistan, because they see us as a threat and fear us.
India can bully bangladesh, sri lanka; nepal etc but they will get a slap in the face if they try to bully pakistan.
Also, we are a majority muslim country And india being majority hindu country, is afraid that we will break up their country by supporting the muslims
In india.