Why did Rahul Dravid declare when Sachin Tendulkar was on 194 not out?

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Even though a lot of time has passed when this incident happened but till date inspite of thinking a lot behind the declaration am yet to find a real valid reason that can justify such a move when your player is just 6 runs away from a double ton .

The Indian score was 565/5 when Yuvraj came to bat with Sachin and from there both shared a 110 runs partnership of just 18.4 overs at Run Rate of 5.89 but as soon as Yuvraj got dismissed the innings was declared .

Sachin obviously isnt a kind of batsman who would take 100 balls to score 6 runs , even his knock of 194 was played at a strike rate of 56 so why was the need to declare so soon ?

Would India have lost the match if Sachin had taken 2-3 more overs to score those runs ? How can an additional delay of 2-3 overs result into a teams loss ?

What do PPers think about the decision and do they think it was the right thing to do ?

It cant b called as an act of Team comes first since otherwise every captain would start declaring when other batsmen are on 99 * or 199* to show how much he cares about the team inspite of an additional 2-3 overs play making no significant effect on the end result .


There was also a similar case when Imran declared Miandad on 280 . I mean was there any need to show such desperation ? How would Miandad making an additional 20 runs going to have a negative impact on the end result of the match ?

IMO both the decisions were wrong and had more to do with ego battles and rifts between the individuals . Atleast Miandad-Imran were known to have lot of differences in many matters regarding the team unlike Dravid-Sachin rift which never had any concrete evidence .
 
I dont know about tendu or Dravid but Imran khan was a man who wanted a win at any cost and hardly cared about individual milestones . On a few occasions Imran declared the innings when he himself was in the 90s , goes to show the greatness of the man .
 
Yes it was quite an ironic declaration from somone who bats at strike rate of 35 :))

Sehwag doing that is understandable but Dravid lol
 
It was a henious crime by Dravid, how dare he put the team ahead of India's Tendulkar obsession.

As a captain Dravid's responsibility is to sit in the pavilion along with the team and watch Tendulkar bat.
In fact he decided to tour Australia so that he can be part of the celebrations when Sachin scores his 100th 100.

Unfortunately none of the English, West Indian or Australian teams obliged with Sachin hitting the landmark. Again, how dare they?!! All their career's will be tarnished by the fact that Tendulkar wasnt allowed a century.

Eradicator, please start a thread as soon a Ponting retires as well, let the heading be:
Why did Ponting take Sachin's edge at the slip in Adelaide, when Sachin was on 25??!!

I mean Sachin obviously is not the type of batsman to prolong a creer for his records, is HE?!!

Now coming to the match played against Pakistan at Multan.

How the hell is Dravid supposed to be 100% sure as to how many overs his bowlers need to get a strong Pakistan batting line up out, Twice!! The line up included legends like Inzi, Yousuf etc..

In the first innings the top six batsmen made 311 runs and Pakistan spent nearly 9 hours at the crease.
Had Inzi bhai not been run out in the second innings and India get away with some dodgy lbw decisions that match would have been drawn!!

But then no one would blame India for wasting a session hoping that Tendulkar makes a double century!!
 
I personally thought it was a poor decision, it wasn't asking too much to allow Teenda to score 6 more runs, he was in top form that day and it was almost the end of the days play.

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I think Dravid was pissed with the fact that Tendulkar was taking forever to reach 200, I think there was some article as well, Dravid and Tendulkar sorted out the issue later though, whats important is they went onto win many more matches together for India.

Enough of this rift rubbish.
 
Both have scored double centuries since. Both have won matches for India since.

End thread.

Meanwhile, a certain Virender Sehwag cheekily adds: "I have scored even a triple century since!" :D
 
Almost at the end of the days play any captain would like to put opposition in for some overs. May be that's why RD did so. There can't be any other reason. It was first test so India were not really sure how much effort it'd take to get Pakistan out 2 times.
 
whatever maybe the reason he could have hinted sachin a batsmen of sachins caliber just needs one ball to hit a six and get his 200...poor stuff from dravid
 
Think it was a poor decision. Never seen a declaration where the batsman was in his 90s, 190s or 290s before or after that incident .

140s , 240s declarations are fine but this was too close to call off. All captains that I have seen allow the batsmen to carry on .
 
Was a stupid decision.. Like Teendu needed only 6 runs.... A 200 would had been a marvelous mile stone.
 
whatever maybe the reason he could have hinted sachin a batsmen of sachins caliber just needs one ball to hit a six and get his 200...poor stuff from dravid

He is also the same batsmen who might take 5 overs to score those 6 runs :sachin
 
It was not a great decision by Dravid. If he had to declare he should have declared it 10-15 overs before, an extra 2-3 overs at that point wouldn't have made much difference, but at the same time Sachin was at fault too, he should have played faster. But in Sachin's defence the overall run rate of India was going quite good because of Yuvi.
 
Think it was a poor decision. Never seen a declaration where the batsman was in his 90s, 190s or 290s before or after that incident .

140s , 240s declarations are fine but this was too close to call off. All captains that I have seen allow the batsmen to carry on .

Was a stupid decision.. Like Teendu needed only 6 runs.... A 200 would had been a marvelous mile stone.

Err.. he didnt declare just like that :(
yuvraj singh got out and then dravid declared ( i think ganguly was smiling when dravid declared ) :D
 
Err.. he didnt declare just like that :(
yuvraj singh got out and then dravid declared ( i think ganguly was smiling when dravid declared ) :D

Yes Ganguly might have influenced it and then there was Guru Greg who doesn't like Indian culture :sohail
 
Yep, those days have definitely gone.

These days everyone is focussed on the 100th 100, where Tendulkar himself collects 20 odd runs every innings, gets out and walks back!!
 
Poor on Dravid for declaring when a teammate was 6 runs short of a double century.But then i don't know what the context of the game was. In the bigger scheme of things, Dravid has done good for India, so will let this slip by :)
 
Was a stupid decision. He could have declared when Tendulkar was on 180, but why let him get to 194 and then declare without his consent? :facepalm:

Anyway the timing of this thread is very poor, we should be appreciating Dravid right now as 99.9 5 of the times he's been spot on. Champion
 
It was a pathetic decision by Dravid. Sachin could have got double hundred next over itself.
 
Its wasnt dravid its dada who was a captain wen tend make 194 against pakistan in multan
 
I dont think that was Dravid's decision alone.Ganguly,Wright were there.so it wasnt jealousy.it was purely a miscalculation.we had a young attack n he obviously thought it would longer to get them out then it actually did
 
Should have allowed Sachin to make his 200 and then declared..........
 
That one decision actually stands out pretty nicely.
Just makes u think that Dravid was able to take a decision like that and not be unfazed by 194 scoreline.

No respect lost for Dravid if u ask me.
 
I dont think that was Dravid's decision alone.Ganguly,Wright were there.so it wasnt jealousy.it was purely a miscalculation.we had a young attack n he obviously thought it would longer to get them out then it actually did

Thinking is not needed here. Ganguly said a week later that it was a wrong call 'from Dravid' :facepalm:
 
That one decision actually stands out pretty nicely.
Just makes u think that Dravid was able to take a decision like that and not be unfazed by 194 scoreline.

No respect lost for Dravid if u ask me.

No greatness achieved in taking stupid decisions .
 
I dont think that was Dravid's decision alone.Ganguly,Wright were there.so it wasnt jealousy.it was purely a miscalculation.we had a young attack n he obviously thought it would longer to get them out then it actually did


Yes Great by not allowing Sachin to play an extra over they were able to save that extra over to have a go at Pakistani Batsmen , very sensible time and 6 balls saving decision .
 
Yes Great by not allowing Sachin to play an extra over they were able to save that extra over to have a go at Pakistani Batsmen , very sensible time and 6 balls saving decision .

like i mentioned earliers if only dravid had told sachin it would have just taken one ball to get his 200
 
yes he did it was all over the papers years back...and he also stated sachin should not have spoken publicly about it

so Ganguly criticised Dravid later but did not do anything wen decision was made.he was right there
 
so Ganguly criticised Dravid later but did not do anything wen decision was made.he was right there

He was not the captain for that specific test match so he must have not poked his nose because dravid did not consult him
 
He was not the captain for that specific test match so he must have not poked his nose because dravid did not consult him
yeah Dravid the stand-in captain didnt consult permanent captain while taking a decision such as that.captains even consult other senior players who r not captain before such decisions.but keep believing what u want to.
 
yeah Dravid the stand-in captain didnt consult permanent captain while taking a decision such as that.captains even consult other senior players who r not captain before such decisions.but keep believing what u want to.

lol believe what you want to...Dravid acted arrogantly and did not consult any senior member or pass out the message to sachin he acted on his own and cost tendu a 200 against pakistan at pakistan....as much as a class batsmen dravid was,, he was an opportunist
 
You can believe me because i am not thinking^ This happened for real. Ganguly was in India after the first test for personal reasons and there he clearly said Dravid made a wrong call. I saw the video footage.

link toh hoga hi phir?I cant find it.help'll be appreciated
 
Wo aapka kaam hai sir, i don't have to prove facts :)
 
it is and was a fact ganguly did tell publicly dravid made the wrong call..it is almost a decade now you can't expect someone to go digging for this just to prove it to you
 

from ur link
Let's forget about it (the declaration) and go ahead and win the series," Ganguly said.

"It's no point making it an issue. Whoever has made a mistake has made a mistake. It's for the team to accept it, it's for all of us to accept it... so let's not make it an issue," Ganguly told ESPN.

"It's a mistake made in the team. We are friends. As friends, we have made mistakes. As friends, we forgive each other, whoever made a mistake, without bothering to find out who made a mistake and finish this off as an issue.

"Whether it's Sachin, Rahul, myself or John or whoever has made a mistake let's forget about it and go ahead and win the series," Ganguly said.

Meanwhile Ganguly arrived in Kolkata for treatment of his lower back injury. "I am looking forward to return for the third Test match. I hope to be fit within the next few days and join the squad," he said.

where did he say 'Dravid' made a mistake?
 
Ab aagya yakeen? Indian aaj ek Indian ki baat nhi manta :facepalm:

Stop with this show-off non sense mere bhai, you guys are not British test lovers. You guys are Indians ffs
 
where did he say 'Dravid' made a mistake?

Sachinistas are insinuating, it's in their nature. They cannot provide any proof because there isn’t any, but they will provide you with many excuses.

I can't believe Sachinistas continue to hold a grudge against Dravid over this incident, it was only 6 runs.

:)
 
Cricinfo just took a dig at this, they have a quiz posted "Can you be like Rahul Dravid?" and the seventh question on the quiz is, " In a Test you're captaining, your star batsman is nearing his double-century but taking a while to get there. Will you declare?" LOL!
 
^ Made more foreign fans that day than Indian. Good for him, always been there to impress the white. :chappell
 
^ It was the 4th day and we were playing Australia. More importantly, Tendu was on 40 something :p
 
^And what is wrong with that match?

The bowlers failed to get 20 Zim wickets in as many as 280 overs :facepalm: Using this against SRT proves how delusional and fake some of the young Dravid fans are becoming.
 
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Both have scored double centuries since. Both have won matches for India since.

End thread.

Meanwhile, a certain Virender Sehwag cheekily adds: "I have scored even a triple century since!" :D


yes but sachin didnt get the double ton on that particular occasion.... considering he wanted that double badly (he hasent got to many doubles), dravid did the right thing to terminate the innings, as winning is more important than selfish personal landmarks.
 
Was a stupid decision. He could have declared when Tendulkar was on 180, but why let him get to 194 and then declare without his consent? :facepalm:

Anyway the timing of this thread is very poor, we should be appreciating Dravid right now as 99.9 5 of the times he's been spot on. Champion

this is exactly the reason why greg chappel is spont on about his thoughtful analysis of indian culture, mantality and cricket. the 3 issues inextricably linked.
 
this is exactly the reason why greg chappel is spont on about his thoughtful analysis of indian culture, mantality and cricket. the 3 issues inextricably linked.

Greg Chappell is a retard, Ganguly actually said it for real in media. That is the kind of respect he commands :facepalm: No wonder he is making these nonsense statements sitting drunk somewhere consumed in his bitterness.
 
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At tea , Teendababa 165* , UV 11* -> 30 overs remaining .:)
UV got out and Dravid declared , and Pakistan played out 16 overs. :|

If Dravid allowed Teenda to score his 200 , we might have wasted 2 overs for the new batsmen to come in ,
and we never know how many overs or balls Teenda might take :pissed: ( IIRC he took 19 or balls to move from 99 to 100 against kenya in a WC ODI )

Another 6 runs from sachin might not have made any difference to our total , but in additional 4 or 5 overs we might have got couple of wickets.
I ask sachinstas to stop complaining and concentrate on your work which might help our economy :sachin
 
Because winning the match counts, individual scores do not. Why is this even a thread? The captain takes the decision he thinks will best win the match, end of story.

He wanted an hour or so at Pakistan before the close of play. The pitch was easy, to win might take many overs. Simple decision.
 
Are you telling that giving Tendulkar an extra over to bat would have resulted in a Draw here and Dravid was able to convert a Draw into a win by just saving 6 balls?

:facepalm:
If i argue in the same way as yours , sachins 6 more runs are absolutely useless for the team.

Dravid declared only after UV got out , if we had waited for Teenababa to score his 200 , we might have waited atleast 3 overs.
Check the 2nd day scorecard , Pakistan faced only 16 overs. Idea was to let pak to face few overs in the end.

PS:-
We should learn to play for the win irrespective of individual records , IMO if sachin was at 329* like Clarke , in case Dhoni declared our media and sachinstas will be crying that he might have missed a 401. :)) :))
Scoring 200 doesnt count as two centuries and its not a very significant milestone . :sachin
 
The declaration had already been postponed for too long and the Indian dressing room was getting impatient because they wanted Pakistan to bat in the evening session.Yuvrajs dismissal made things worse and they just couldnt afford to wait any longer for just for tendulkar.
Correct call from Dravid.
I remember watching that innings and Sachin was very slow in that post tea session.
 
I never knew why Dravid declared with 6 runs left for SRT's 200, those additional 6 runs wouldnt have cost India the match either way. But boi oh Boi did Dravid get a beating from just about everyone from fans (excluding unselfish Pakistanis ofcourse :25:), reporters etc lol...
 
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Hindsight is always 20-20. If Pakistan would have put up a better fight the same media would be accusing him of postponing the declaration.

Can't win every time.
 
Hindsight is always 20-20. If Pakistan would have put up a better fight the same media would be accusing him of postponing the declaration.

Can't win every time.

India batted 162 overs. Thats about the number of overs any team would bat to put up a good score in the 1st innings . Never seen a team declaring before 5 sessions during the 1st innings, have you ?
 
India batted 162 overs. Thats about the number of overs any team would bat to put up a good score in the 1st innings . Never seen a team declaring before 5 sessions during the 1st innings, have you ?

on the contrary, the score was 565/5.

i've seen teams declare for less.
 
:facepalm:
If i argue in the same way as yours , sachins 6 more runs are absolutely useless for the team.

Dravid declared only after UV got out , if we had waited for Teenababa to score his 200 , we might have waited atleast 3 overs.
Check the 2nd day scorecard , Pakistan faced only 16 overs. Idea was to let pak to face few overs in the end.

PS:-
We should learn to play for the win irrespective of individual records , IMO if sachin was at 329* like Clarke , in case Dhoni declared our media and sachinstas will be crying that he might have missed a 401. :)) :))
Scoring 200 doesnt count as two centuries and its not a very significant milestone . :sachin


Well said.

We should look at it like 6 extra runs to the total or 2 good overs at the opponent before close of play?

Its a tough call and i'm guessing Rahul might have thought of it the above way.
 
A batsmen of tendus caliber would have only needed 3-4 balls to get that 6 runs..rahul should have told tendu about it
 
Lets say Sachin had score those six runs, how does that change anything now?
 
Lets say Sachin had score those six runs, how does that change anything now?

wont change anything.. but in perspective of a batsmen it would have been an achievement to score 200 away against your arch rivals...rahul robbed him off that
 
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