Why did Rahul Dravid declare when Sachin Tendulkar was on 194 not out?

@Velu : I will give you a example :S.African captain declared a inning when kallis was on 76 not out , and that too against Bangladesh , he didn't allowed situation to get out of hand by letting kallis score 94 and then declare .
Zim captain also declared when Andy flower was on 180 not out , and not on 194*
Dravid was himself responsible for letting situation go out of control, he should have declared when Sachin was on 170 or 180 ,either he should have waited for Sachin to make his 200, might have took 2 or 3 overs


lolwhat.. then sachinstas migth be blaming dravid for not allowing to score his 200 when he was in good nick :D
my assumption is that , insert pak team for 20 overs, but it was already getting out of hand and still waiting for his 200,
but when UV got out , he declared ..

check the chart posted by ahamedirshad :p

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C'mon Velu you're the man.. The whole Nation (Pakistan) is behind you :yk :))

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I think this thread will be merged with sachin bashing thread once N_H and WL becomes active here :D
 
Dravid has to take a decision on sachins strike rate as a captain and keeping team in perspective, not according to his own strike rate.
 
Yeah...Sachin missed his hundred in this match, probably against Sri Lanka.
Remember Karthick hitting a huge six in the final overs.
 
Let it go it happened a decade ago. I dont think both of them think about it that much. One of them has retired and the other one hopefully retires soon :)

Especially with Tendulkar having scored more double hundreds than Dravid now. At that time Dravid was leading and it was said that he didn't let Tendu do it because he wanted to hold on to that record. :p
 
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Especially with Tendulkar having scored more double hundreds than Dravid now. At that time Dravid was leading and it was said that he didn't let Tendu do it because he wanted to hold on to that record. :p


Sehwag baba says Hi to sachin :D
 
velu: Nobody would have blamed Dravid if he would have declared when Sachin was on 170 , Azhar once declared when Sachin was on 155 from somewhat 180 balls and blasted every Australian bowler , you are not even trying to go in the situation
 
Even i might have prayed to god to get Dravid out:facepalm:
Anywya he improved his game later and now his T20 SR is better than both Dada and Sachin. :D

Point here is Sachinstas are unnecessarily crying/blaming Dravid for declaring when he was at 194*.
I really dont think 200 is of any significant milestone unlike 100 ( and 300 is a different thing that few can only dream )

you must be kidding rite he hit three 6's and just after than one game if you think the SR will be maintained by dravid them am sorry to burst your bubble..

200 is one heck of a milestone am sorry velu that comment was a joke
 
velu: Nobody would have blamed Dravid if he would have declared when Sachin was on 170 , Azhar once declared when Sachin was on 155 from somewhat 180 balls and blasted every Australian bowler , you are not even trying to go in the situation

About to sleep :).
You can see the other side , everyone might want to give sachin a chance to get his 200 , but when UV got out they declared it so as to save some time ,
when a new batsmen comes in he may not giving strike to him immediately..

check the ball by ball commentary, sachin scored 26 runs in the last 12 overs..
also UV was hogging the strike ( though he was scoring at quick pace , so you cant blame him)..


http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/64081.html?innings=1;page=4;view=commentary
 
you must be kidding rite he hit three 6's and just after than one game if you think the SR will be maintained by dravid them am sorry to burst your bubble..

200 is one heck of a milestone am sorry velu that comment was a joke

no i am serious :D
check their stats first and then reply later :D

( i am referring to IPL , cos both played only 1 international T20 game each )

anyway all are off-topic , do you have any explanation for the run rate vs sachins sr chart ? :p
 
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Sachin did not utter a word or did not show any emotions when he missed the 100 over there..

I have a two points regarding this.
1) Its not a rocket science to guess sachin was :pissed:
2) Reaction from our very own pundits was more pathetic

am surprised where Ambi is hiding these days , Will catch you guys tomorrow :D
 
no i am serious :D
check their stats first and then reply later :D

( i am referring IPL , cos both played only a game each )

anyway all are off-topic , do you have any explanation for the run rate vs sachins sr chart ? :p

oh yes the team management must have asked him to be the anchor his innings and he must be batting to the plan and hence the SR is low..

About IPL SR lets talk when dravid scores a 100 in IPL
 
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I have a two points regarding this.
1) Its not a rocket science to guess sachin was :pissed:
2) Reaction from our very own pundits was more pathetic

am surprised where Ambi is hiding these days , Will catch you guys tomorrow :D

Sachin was being sachin that is being cool and calm..pandits can react the way they want that's why they are being paid
 
oh yes the team management must have asked him to be the anchor his innings and he must be batting to the plan and hence the SR is low..

About IPL SR lets talk when dravid scores a 100 in IPL

And MI lost the game when sachin scored a 100, ( and interestingly he scored a single of the full toss to reach his 100 in the last ball ) :runaway:

Never thought u r a serious sachinsta , Kerala porotta :moyo
 
Sachin was being sachin that is being cool and calm..pandits can react the way they want that's why they are being paid

He didnt show his emotion , but we know what running in his mind. :D
Sachin was upset when he was stalled at 194* and he expressed bat this later ,
obviously sachin might have disappointed a lot..

Incase sachin retires with 99 centuries, i am sure Dinesh's innings will be remembered forever :runaway:
 
And MI lost the game when sachin scored a 100, ( and interestingly he scored a single of the full toss to reach his 100 in the last ball ) :runaway:

Never thought u r a serious sachinsta , Kerala porotta :moyo

And who beat MI my team KTK (R.I.P)

he thought the score was more than enough because ktk had lost both their matches and MI had put a gigantic score by then
 
He didnt show his emotion , but we know what running in his mind. :D
Sachin was upset when he was stalled at 194* and he expressed bat this later ,
obviously sachin might have disappointed a lot..

Incase sachin retires with 99 centuries, i am sure Dinesh's innings will be remembered forever :runaway:

oh velu then i can very well what was going through Dravids mind when he declared at 194:quote:

I would more or less remember when sachin was given wrongly out by the umpire when he was on 99 during the natwest series against england...but i am sure he will get his 100th 100 soon
 
About to sleep :).
You can see the other side , everyone might want to give sachin a chance to get his 200 , but when UV got out they declared it so as to save some time ,
when a new batsmen comes in he may not giving strike to him immediately..

check the ball by ball commentary, sachin scored 26 runs in the last 12 overs..
also UV was hogging the strike ( though he was scoring at quick pace , so you cant blame him)..


http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/64081.html?innings=1;page=4;view=commentary
India should have declared when scores were 609/4 in 151 overs,would have been a perfect score
 
Then why not declare when Tendulkar was on 160 ?

Ask yourself 34 more runs or 10 more overs to have a go at Pakistani batsmen ?

We can do this all day and night .

Because there's a difference between the two scenarios. When a team is asked to bat for a small time, they bat defensively for the close of play and hence appear nervous. Its the best time to attack the batsman.

I wish we just stick to the thread instead of debating who's better.
 
oh velu then i can very well what was going through Dravids mind when he declared at 194:quote:

I would more or less remember when sachin was given wrongly out by the umpire when he was on 99 during the natwest series against england...but i am sure he will get his 100th 100 soon

this is my first post in this thread,

Probably to make sachin :pissed:

Right or wrong, sachinstas will be crying as usual :D
I can understand if it is 94* or 294* , none bothers abt 200 in tests :facepalm:
 
India should have declared when scores were 609/4 in 151 overs,would have been a perfect score

Yeah i agree ... 600++ looks more than enough ..
Anyway aother reason might be we had little bit more overs bcoz of the awesomeness of sehwag and his scoring rate :D

Maybe sachinstas will think that they had shown a lollypop to sachin but didnt give it to him in the end :sachin
 
wont change anything.. but in perspective of a batsmen it would have been an achievement to score 200 away against your arch rivals...rahul robbed him off that

Yes that's a fair point. Then again its just for stats and both batsman are bigger than that. I'm just thinking out loud and trying to see any possible reasoning behind this. BTW can someone tell me if Sachin or Dravid commented on this issue?
 
this is my first post in this thread,

i dint get this

Right or wrong, sachinstas will be crying as usual :D
I can understand if it is 94* or 294* , none bothers abt 200 in tests :facepalm:

come on what you on about.... 200 is a huge milestone and it is an achievement that was snatched away from sachins grasp by Dravid:12:

PS; If sach was the skipper and Dravid was on 194 i am sure he would have give dravid the chance to reach there even if he is batting at snails pace
 
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But why are you guys so angry about it? The match was won and that's the main thing. 200 isn't that big a deal for top batsmen too, (except for Kallis until early last year?) Whats with Dravid cheated Sachin of a double century and all that talk? Separates fans from fanatics.

If i'm told Dravid would have one less double century, i wouldn't really raise a hue and cry about it.
 
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Because there's a difference between the two scenarios. When a team is asked to bat for a small time, they bat defensively for the close of play and hence appear nervous. Its the best time to attack the batsman.

I wish we just stick to the thread instead of debating who's better.

you are right about the defensive approach but then India could have easily afforded to bowl 1 less over. Having a go for 15 overs instead of 16 hardly makes any difference .

The decision was neither of any use or harm to the team but would have been good for Sachin .

Recall the 1st Test between India and England at Lords, England allowed Kp to get his double ton and instantly declared after that and English bowlers bowled 8 overs at India's batsmen before end of the 2nd days play .

This is what usually happens instead of a case where strauss declares When Kp at 196 just under the excuse to bowl 10 overs at English Batsmen instead of 8 .

And after the match is won some experts will follow to justisfy stupid decision by asking .

What was more important ? 4 runs by Kp or 1 extra over bowled to deny him his double ton ?
 
Yes that's a fair point. Then again its just for stats and both batsman are bigger than that. I'm just thinking out loud and trying to see any possible reasoning behind this. BTW can someone tell me if Sachin or Dravid commented on this issue?

Sachin did say he was disappointed with the declaration and ganguly too supported him
 
But why are you guys so angry about it? The match was won and that's the main thing. 200 isn't that big a deal for top batsmen too, (except for Kallis until early last year?) Whats with Dravid cheated Sachin of a double century and all that talk? Separates fans from fanatics.

If i'm told Dravid would have one less double century, i wouldn't really raise a hue and cry about it.

come on dude 200 is a big deal why else then would eng wait till KP got his 200 to declare against us at lords
 
Yeah i agree ... 600++ looks more than enough ..
Anyway aother reason might be we had little bit more overs bcoz of the awesomeness of sehwag and his scoring rate :D

Maybe sachinstas will think that they had shown a lollypop to sachin but didnt give it to him in the end :sachin

It was a wrong decision , actually I was reading a article in March 2004 about declaring the inning and at one instant i really laughed and started thinking how can a captain declare a inning like this and do this to any batsmen , he should be the most foolish one or situation should be really demanding , and one month later it happened exactly with SRT the batsmen and rahul , the captain.
 
you are right about the defensive approach but then India could have easily afforded to bowl 1 less over. Having a go for 15 overs instead of 16 hardly makes any difference .

The decision was neither of any use or harm to the team but would have been good for Sachin .

Recall the 1st Test between India and England at Lords, England allowed Kp to get his double ton and instantly declared after that and English bowlers bowled 8 overs at India's batsmen before end of the 2nd days play .

This is what usually happens instead of a case where strauss declares When Kp at 196 just under the excuse to bowl 10 overs at English Batsmen instead of 8 .

And after the match is won some experts will follow to justisfy stupid decision by asking .

What was more important ? 4 runs by Kp or 1 extra over bowled to deny him his double ton ?


In that case, Sachin should have been informed prior, to get to the landmark quickly. Well i come to know Sachin was disappointed with the declaration and it gives us an indication that he was not informed.

I'm stumped to know why The declaration happened then.I'm sure Dravid must have answered that.
 
Out of all the centuries, the double is the least important.

says a few fans who has not even played any level of professional cricket...if 200 was not as imp as you think sachin being the gentlemen he is would not have spoken publicly about it
 
says a few fans who has not even played any level of professional cricket...if 200 was not as imp as you think sachin being the gentlemen he is would not have spoken publicly about it

I think it wasnt so important that Sachin would have not agreed ,if it was going to have a negative impact on teams chances , he would have been happy if declaration came when he was 160-170. I Think he was disappointed due to shock that he wasnt made aware of the team plan , if he wasnt told about the exact time when declaration was being planned then how is he supposed to score at a brisk pace ?

You dont tell Sachin that Innings will be called off with 16 overs to spare , let him bat at his own desired pace and then without informing or giving any warning just declare the innings in desperation when the time is up - Wrong Decision .

After Yuvis dismissal Dravid could have send the new man with a message for Sachin that " Look Just 1 more over " ...but no1 bothered to do that .
seems like someone didnt want Sachin to know the team plan and play on his own .

More I think about it more I smell it as a deliberate move tbh .
 
I think it wasnt so important that Sachin would have not agreed ,if it was going to have a negative impact on teams chances , he would have been happy if declaration came when he was 160-170. I Think he was disappointed due to shock that he wasnt made aware of the team plan , if he wasnt told about the exact time when declaration was being planned then how is he supposed to score at a brisk pace ?

You dont tell Sachin that Innings will be called off with 16 overs to spare , let him bat at his own desired pace and then without informing or giving any warning just declare the innings in desperation when the time is up - Wrong Decision .

After Yuvis dismissal Dravid could have send the new man with a message for Sachin that " Look Just 1 more over " ...but no1 bothered to do that .
seems like someone didnt want Sachin to know the team plan and play on his own .

More I think about it more I smell it as a deliberate move tbh .

It is as clear as day Dravid was always jealous that he was not considered at par with tendu or even ganguly... when Tendu was the captain the whole team underperformed especially Dravid does anyone rem his stats when we toured Aus 99 under tendus captaincy... And suddenly under gangulys captaincy he flourished
 
I think it wasnt so important that Sachin would have not agreed ,if it was going to have a negative impact on teams chances , he would have been happy if declaration came when he was 160-170. I Think he was disappointed due to shock that he wasnt made aware of the team plan , if he wasnt told about the exact time when declaration was being planned then how is he supposed to score at a brisk pace ?

You dont tell Sachin that Innings will be called off with 16 overs to spare , let him bat at his own desired pace and then without informing or giving any warning just declare the innings in desperation when the time is up - Wrong Decision .

After Yuvis dismissal Dravid could have send the new man with a message for Sachin that " Look Just 1 more over " ...but no1 bothered to do that .
seems like someone didnt want Sachin to know the team plan and play on his own .

More I think about it more I smell it as a deliberate move tbh .

Was a matter of one ball :facepalm: Had the message been sent to Sachin about it, he would have obviously gone for it. Clear case of mismanagement, misunderstanding and carelessness from Rahul Dravid.

Why can't these people accept it and move on? :facepalm:
 
Was a matter of one ball :facepalm: Had the message been sent to Sachin about it, he would have obviously gone for it. Clear case of mismanagement, misunderstanding and carelessness from Rahul Dravid.

Why can't these people accept it and move on? :facepalm:

BTW, when Kumble got 100 at Oval, Dravid waited for Sresanth's 50. sree got out on 35 something and Eng batted for 7-8 overs.
 
In that case, Sachin should have been informed prior, to get to the landmark quickly. Well i come to know Sachin was disappointed with the declaration and it gives us an indication that he was not informed.

I'm stumped to know why The declaration happened then.I'm sure Dravid must have answered that.

SRT was NOT informed of the declaration, that was the first thing said in the press conference.
BTW, that would have been 200 in consecutive tests for SRT after Sydney 241. A rarity.
 
SRT was NOT informed of the declaration, that was the first thing said in the press conference.
BTW, that would have been 200 in consecutive tests for SRT after Sydney 241. A rarity.

But why mention it to the mdeia first up. SRT knew very well it will create a firestorm but did it anyway. WHy :sachin why?
 
But why mention it to the mdeia first up. SRT knew very well it will create a firestorm but did it anyway. WHy :sachin why?

agreed it should have been sorted out inside the dressing room...do you remember the circumstances tendu spoke about it?? i guess he was replying to a question asked by one of the journalists, correct??
 
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agreed it should have been sorted out in dressing room...do you remember the circumstances tendu spoke about it?? i guess he was replying to a question asked by one of the journalists, correct??

No idea. If so, Dravid would have deadbatted it back to the journo. I guess Sachin went for the upper cut and got caught. LOL
 
Even though a lot of time has passed when this incident happened but till date inspite of thinking a lot behind the declaration am yet to find a real valid reason that can justify such a move when your player is just 6 runs away from a double ton .

The Indian score was 565/5 when Yuvraj came to bat with Sachin and from there both shared a 110 runs partnership of just 18.4 overs at Run Rate of 5.89 but as soon as Yuvraj got dismissed the innings was declared .

Sachin obviously isnt a kind of batsman who would take 100 balls to score 6 runs , even his knock of 194 was played at a strike rate of 56 so why was the need to declare so soon ?

Would India have lost the match if Sachin had taken 2-3 more overs to score those runs ? How can an additional delay of 2-3 overs result into a teams loss ?

What do PPers think about the decision and do they think it was the right thing to do ?

It cant b called as an act of Team comes first since otherwise every captain would start declaring when other batsmen are on 99 * or 199* to show how much he cares about the team inspite of an additional 2-3 overs play making no significant effect on the end result .


There was also a similar case when Imran declared Miandad on 280 . I mean was there any need to show such desperation ? How would Miandad making an additional 20 runs going to have a negative impact on the end result of the match ?

IMO both the decisions were wrong and had more to do with ego battles and rifts between the individuals . Atleast Miandad-Imran were known to have lot of differences in many matters regarding the team unlike Dravid-Sachin rift which never had any concrete evidence .



Why did Clarke declare when he was on 329* against India at the SCG? Because it was time for lunch.
 
Why did Clarke declare when he was on 329* against India at the SCG? Because it was time for lunch.

when Clarke declared Hussey was at 150*.
Why didnt clarke declare a few overs earlier ? Wasnt he waiting for Hussey to reach 150 and then declare ?

Or is it a coincidence that When Clarke thought that its the right time to declare , hussey was at sharp 150 ?
 
Why did Clarke declare when he was on 329* against India at the SCG? Because it was time for lunch.

NOPE!!!!

coz he's didn't wanna do past Don's 334 and Inzi's 329...

and also coz he had to declare to give his team enough time to bowl the FTBs out
 
Spent two hours in this thread bcoz of you..
Anyway its afternoon here :D
Did you sleep yesterday ?? :13:



porotta is different than paratha :inzi
its south indian dish similar to paratha

not much sleep for my side too...heck i liked the debate we had yday it was all in good spirits...sachin or dravid we are proud to have witnessed possibly two of the best batsmen to have played the game..

Proud to be an Indian cricket fan
 
when Clarke declared Hussey was at 150*.
Why didnt clarke declare a few overs earlier ? Wasnt he waiting for Hussey to reach 150 and then declare ?

Or is it a coincidence that When Clarke thought that its the right time to declare , hussey was at sharp 150 ?

Just so happened that Hussey got his 150 before lunch. If he hadn't then it would probably have been bad luck for Hussey.
 
bump..

Tendu in death overs till he got his 100 (mind you they were only 2 down)

39.2 Shakib Al Hasan to Tendulkar, no run, 86.6 kph, shuffles and clips it to the on side
39.3 Shakib Al Hasan to Tendulkar, 1 wide, 80.3 kph, drifts down the leg side and he nearly gets a tickle
39.3 Shakib Al Hasan to Tendulkar, 1 run, 84.8 kph, floated down the leg side and he tucks it to the on side, 95 now
40.1 Abdur Razzak to Tendulkar, 1 run, 90.1 kph, flater delivery on the pads and he clips him wide of square leg
40.3 Abdur Razzak to Tendulkar, 1 run, 92.0 kph, gets forward and pushes it late to mid-on, 97 now
40.5 Abdur Razzak to Tendulkar, no run, 81.7 kph, he risks staying back at the crease and clips it, very close to the pads
40.6 Abdur Razzak to Tendulkar, 1 run, 82.6 kph, more flight this time and he goes to 98 with a gentle clip to the leg side, he retains the strike too
41.1 Shakib Al Hasan to Tendulkar, no run, 81.4 kph, tossed up on middle and off and pushed down to mid-off
41.2 Shakib Al Hasan to Tendulkar, no run, 82.9 kph, uses his feet and he can only drive back to the bowler
41.3 Shakib Al Hasan to Tendulkar, no run, 82.2 kph, shuffles and tries to steal a single to the on side, Rahim rushes and stops it
41.4 Shakib Al Hasan to Tendulkar, 1 run, 83.5 kph, goes to 99 with a gentle push to long-off, just one run away
42.5 Abdur Razzak to Tendulkar, no run, 88.6 kph, and nope! Will have to wait, clipped straight to midwicket
42.6 Abdur Razzak to Tendulkar, no run, 88.2 kph, he can only softly punch it to short extra cover, mid-off had gone back, the wait continues...
43.4 Shakib Al Hasan to Tendulkar, 1 run, 84.2 kph, and he's finally done it! Clips it down to square leg and jogs the single, very subdued celebration, he must be mightily relieved but he's not showing it, removes his helmet, the Bangladesh fie;lder congratulate him, 100 international centuries - we may never see it emulated, well done Sachin! Take a bow

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Former India all-rounder Yuvraj Singh has opened up on the infamous Indian declaration during the 2004 Test against Pakistan in Multan, saying that Sachin Tendulkar should have been given the opportunity to complete his double century. The Test match, where Virender Sehwag scored his epic Test triple century and scored 309, saw India declare their first innings on 675/5 with Tendulkar stranded on 194. The decision, taken by stand-in captain Rahul Dravid, was much talked about, with Tendulkar himself later explaining that he was disappointed with the call. Yuvraj, who was the last man out revealed the message that had been conveyed to him and Tendulkar.

"We got a message in between that we had to play fast, and we were going to declare. He could have got those six runs in another over and we bowled 8-10 overs after that. I do not think another two overs would have made a difference to the Test match," Yuvraj recalls in an exclusive interaction on Home of Heroes, Sports18's newest offering.

At the launch on Tendulkar’s autobiography ‘Playing It My Way’ in 2015, Sachin, Dravid and Sourav Ganguly had a good laugh about the entire episode, as he opened up on what transpired between him and his captain after the declaration.

"Rahul finally came to me and said he had heard that I was upset and wanted to have a chat… I was indeed upset. I asked him what the thinking was behind the declaration at that time… I was batting for the team as well. Yes, I had scored 194, but the 194 was meant to help the team and it was my individual contribution to the team’s cause. So to say that the decision was taken in the best interest of the team, wasn’t correct," Tendulkar had said.

"If I had got one rupee for every time I was asked a question about Multan, I would have been a multi-millionaire," said Dravid. When you have played together for 16 years, you will have agreements and disagreements."

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...gh-on-multan-declaration-101651822776248.html
 
Bad decision and surely should haunt Dravid. 200 runs against the arch rival is definitely a record to cherish which I think he would have definitely accepted had he been on 196. Poor decision.
 
Tendi’s own fault playing for his 200. Dravid gave him enough time but selfish Sachin was playing for himself.

It was a great show of strength by Dravid and utter humiliation for the little one.
 
This declaration is one of the reasons why Dravid is one of my all-time favorite cricketers.

Unlike Tendulkar he wasn't a selfish player who played for his average. And no matter how much Tendulkar fans defend him, there countless times when Tendulkar played selfish knocks that didn't help India win the match.

Dravid was completely right in declaring because as captain he had probably thought about a specific number of overs that he wanted to bowl at Pakistan before the end of the day. Therefore, he was putting the interests of the team above the personal milestone of one player. And he was completely right in doing so.
 
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The interests of the team should and do come first, with individuals coming in at a firm second.

A very good decision from Dravid.
 
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