Why do PTI fans hate liberals?

[Terry Bollea]

I have only one question.

 

[Mian]

We don't hate genuine liberals we just don't like those fake desi liberals who switch sides whenever it suits them and in bughaz e army and bughaz e imran they will even side with the devil. Their hypocrisy is well documented.

 

[Terry Bollea]

We don't hate genuine liberals we just don't like those fake desi liberals who switch sides whenever it suits them and in bughaz e army and bughaz e imran they will even side with the devil. Their hypocrisy is well documented.

What are genuine liberals and what are fake desi liberals? All the people in SC are desi so the term fake desi liberals sounds ambigious

 

[Pakpak]

I have only one question.

I am a liberal and I say that openly, no PTI fan on PP has ever attacked me. They hate fraud liberals who are hypocrites, just like I do and of which there are plenty in Pakistan.

 

[Terry Bollea]

I am a liberal and I say that openly, no PTI fan on PP has ever attacked me. They hate fraud liberals who are hypocrites, just like I do and of which there are plenty in Pakistan.

Because you are a PTI fan it seems like and you fall into the category of those who believe that the West is conspiring against Pakistan to become a developed and prosperous country

 

[Mian]

What are genuine liberals and what are fake desi liberals? All the people in SC are desi so the term fake desi liberals sounds ambigious

[MENTION=21699]Pakpak[/MENTION] is also a liberal and being liberal doesn't mean being Anti Army or Anti PTI

 

[Terry Bollea]

[MENTION=21699]Pakpak[/MENTION] is also a liberal and being liberal doesn't mean being Anti Army or Anti PTI

Yeah because he's a PTI supporter. The only thing you need to become a genuine liberal is to be a PTI supporter otherwise you are fake desi liberal according to Junoonis. I see most of PTI supporters here live in the UK, Ask them if they will leave Britain to stay in a conservative Pakistan?

 

[Pakpak]

Because you are a PTI fan it seems like and you fall into the category of those who believe that the West is conspiring against Pakistan to become a developed and prosperous country

How do you know? Especially when I have said the exact opposite on PP for years

 

[Pakpak]

Yeah because he's a PTI supporter. The only thing you need to become a genuine liberal is to be a PTI supporter otherwise you are fake desi liberal according to Junoonis. I see most of PTI supporters here live in the UK, Ask them if they will leave Britain to stay in a conservative Pakistan?

Most PTI supporters here live in Pakistan.

I call anyone a fake liberal who supports Nawaz. Your junnoni comment gave it away, another Patwari on PP. Welcome. Maryam's media cell seems active again.

 

[Mian]

The biggest example of our fake liberals hypocrisy is they bashed Justice Shaukat of IHC for years because of his stance on khatam e nabuvat and soft corner for Mumtaz Qadri and also the way he heard bloggers case but now he is found to be involved in corrupt practices and his ref is sent to judicial council so he is using democracy card and criticizing Army for pressurizing judiciary to save his back and guess what all those liberals now joined his bandwagon in bughaz e army [MENTION=21699]Pakpak[/MENTION] this is why i hate them!

 

[TQ89]

Bhai, I am left leaning guy myself. Let me tell you that the liberals in pakistan are a disgrace to liberals everywhere & they deserve to be bashed for their double standards & hypocrisy.

When was the last time you saw any of pakistan's famous liberal (with exception of few) actually talking about the problems of common man & fighting for the poor? They only open their mouth when it suits their stupid agendas & that too pretty selectively as we have seen in last few years.

 

[Mian]

Yeah because he's a PTI supporter. The only thing you need to become a genuine liberal is to be a PTI supporter otherwise you are fake desi liberal according to Junoonis. I see most of PTI supporters here live in the UK, Ask them if they will leave Britain to stay in a conservative Pakistan?

Well i am in Pakistan and i work and live here. [MENTION=21699]Pakpak[/MENTION] if i am not wrong is also in Pakistan and many other PTI supporters on PP are also in Pakistan don't generalize to prove your point.

 

[Mian]

Bhai, I am left leaning guy myself. Let me tell you that the liberals in pakistan are a disgrace to liberals everywhere & they deserve to be bashed for their double standards & hypocrisy.

When was the last time you saw any of pakistan's famous liberal (with exception of few) actually talking about the problems of common man & fighting for the poor? They only open their mouth when it suits their stupid agendas & that too pretty selectively as we have seen in last few years.

This poster isn't a PTI supporter so stop bashing us even non PTI supporters know the hypocrisy of Pakistani liberals [MENTION=147338]Terry Bollea[/MENTION]

 

[Terry Bollea]

Bhai, I am left leaning guy myself. Let me tell you that the liberals in pakistan are a disgrace to liberals everywhere & they deserve to be bashed for their double standards & hypocrisy.

When was the last time you saw any of pakistan's famous liberal (with exception of few) actually talking about the problems of common man & fighting for the poor? They only open their mouth when it suits their stupid agendas & that too pretty selectively as we have seen in last few years.

Jibran Nasir is one of them.

 

[Mian]

Jibran Nasir is one of them.

Jibran Nasir, Hassan Nisar (although he never claim to be a liberal) these guys are genuine liberals who don't switch sides whenever it suits them.

 

[Bewal Express]

A genuine liberal cannot back NS or AZ and their families. If they do, they are fake!

 

[TQ89]

Jibran Nasir is one of them.

That is right & that is why i explicitly mentioned exception of few.

 

[Mian]

A genuine liberal cannot back NS or AZ and their families. If they do, they are fake!

Supporting NS and AZ and linking them to democracy while hating Army is the definition of liberalism for many in Pakistan

 

[enkidu_]

The same reason why Modi bhakts hate liberals/Khangress I guess.

 

[Waseem]

I have only one question.

Very good question! If you genuinely want to know, please read some of the posts on the following thread:

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?262131-Rent-a-Liberal-by-Rauf-Klasra

I can post links to various surveys including Dawn's recent survey in which it is absolutely crystal clear that PTI is supported by most educated people. More educated you are more likely you are to vote for PTI. Heavy majority of educated celebrities and moderates also vote for PTI. PMLN voters in comparison are lot more conservative and uneducated.
In fact i have come across lot of people who hate PTI because apparently it promotes "BE HAYAI" and if can use typicla word "Kanjar pan" (Naach gaanay waali party).

So why do they dislike liberals?? They only dislike selective group of liberals who are liberals/feminists/moderate/civilised when it suits them.

Please visit the thread above, so many examples how they they change their stances with time.

I have spent lot of time on social media, these people totally hated Nawaz Sharif for many years.

Same group of people supported Altaf Hussain as well because MQM was apparently a liberal party and spoke against establishment so all Altaf Hussain's crimes were ignored because of these reasons.

Now they all of them support Nawaz Sharif who had most glorious political career like completing Zia's mission, becoming Ameer ul Mmineen, anti Bhutto warrior, establishment's biggest pawn, most corrupt person along with Zardari etc

But according to them Imran Khan is worst thing that ever happened to Pakistan and our worst disaster as per them is if Imran Khan becomes PM and Nawaz Sharif is symbol of liberalism and democracy now

 

[Terry Bollea]

The same reason why Modi bhakts hate liberals/Khangress I guess.

So you are comparing a right wing nationalistic party to PTI? Thank god someone finally admitted that PTI is a backward right wing extremist party

 

[Terry Bollea]

Very good question! If you genuinely want to know, please read some of the posts on the following thread:

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?262131-Rent-a-Liberal-by-Rauf-Klasra

I can post links to various surveys including Dawn's recent survey in which it is absolutely crystal clear that PTI is supported by most educated people. More educated you are more likely you are to vote for PTI. Heavy majority of educated celebrities and moderates also vote for PTI. PMLN voters in comparison are lot more conservative and uneducated.
In fact i have come across lot of people who hate PTI because apparently it promotes "BE HAYAI" and if can use typicla word "Kanjar pan" (Naach gaanay waali party).

So why do they dislike liberals?? They only dislike selective group of liberals who are liberals/feminists/moderate/civilised when it suits them.

Please visit the thread above, so many examples how they they change their stances with time.

I have spent lot of time on social media, these people totally hated Nawaz Sharif for many years.

Same group of people supported Altaf Hussain as well because MQM was apparently a liberal party and spoke against establishment so all Altaf Hussain's crimes were ignored because of these reasons.

Now they all of them support Nawaz Sharif who had most glorious political career like completing Zia's mission, becoming Ameer ul Mmineen, anti Bhutto warrior, establishment's biggest pawn, most corrupt person along with Zardari etc

But according to them Imran Khan is worst thing that ever happened to Pakistan and our worst disaster as per them is if Imran Khan becomes PM and Nawaz Sharif is symbol of liberalism and democracy now

Even BB Shaheed admitted that NS had changed and he wasn't the same conservative and right winger which he was in initial part of his political career.

 

[Loralai]

I have met many PTI fans who have a reasonable and fair outlook on liberals and conservatives alike.

I think part of the issue is that many liberals supported PTI in 2013 (including me) and we have been badly disappointed at how the party has conducted itself in the last five years. It has lost a lot of support in liberal circles (which are getting bigger in Pakistan as people wake up to what is happening around them).

PTI has shown in the last five years it is not really offering anything different to PPP or PML N. They are the new blue eyed boys of the Establishment. The Establishment have used Nawaz and now they have got rid off him. They are now about to do the same with Imran. If PTI is as serious about corruption as they say they are, they need to call for accountability within the Establishment too.

They have not undertaken reforms of education sector in KP nor have they tackled issues of religious extremism (the biggest threat facing Pakistan). So its difficult to believe they will really be responsible for building a Naya Pakistan.

 

[Waseem]

So you are comparing a right wing nationalistic party to PTI? Thank god someone finally admitted that PTI is a backward right wing extremist party

This is most annoying trait of fake liberals, anyone who is not 100% liberal is considered "backward and right wing extremist". This is exactly what is wrong with mentality of extremists, they would use derogatory terms like kaafir, gustaakh, wajib ul qatal etc for anyone who does not think like them.

 

[Terry Bollea]

Surprisingly this is most annoying trait of fake liberals, anyone who is not 100% liberal is considered "backward and right wing extremist". This is exactly what is wrong with mentality of extremists, they would use derogatory terms like kaafir, gustaakh, wajib ul qatal etc for anyone who does not think like them.

Liberals dont kill people for their opinions

 

[yasir]

Pakistan society has gone more conservative over period of time, Imran Khan himself is an example of such shift.

Systematically left has been crushed in last 2/3 decades and that vacuum has been filled by religious right wing. Pakistan is far cry from country like US, where left and right are equally strong, that kind of elasticity and diversity helps building nation. Pak Army’s vision of one-dimensional ideology has limited Pakistan and we are one of the few countries who has gone down significantly in every meaningful human development and civic indicator in last 4 decades. In this world you have to work hard to go down like that.

It has lot to do with the culture and environment establishment has created. Many people are very happy that liberals are dead, but that’s huge loss to the country. Nobody has ever made progress without significant pockets of liberal culture.

 

[Waseem]

Liberals dont kill people for their opinions

When did i say they do?

I am talking about mentality here.

 

[enkidu_]

Liberals dont kill people for their opinions

Actually they do. Read Joseph Massad's "Islam in Liberalism", where he shows how liberalism was the ideological instrument justifying colonialism all over the world (he himself concentrated upon the Islamic world). Even nowadays the neo crusades of the West are justified by the major themes of liberalism ("democracy", "feminism", ... remember thee feminists who accepted the war in Afghanistan in the name of "liberating women", something one of the rare honest feminists, Christine Delphy, found so abhorrent that she penned dozens of articles on it).

 

[Mamoon]

It is one of the key characteristics of PTI supporters. Other traits include supporting the military, very hostile towards India, anti-Pashtun Tahafuz Movement, but confused because Imran initially supported it, Malala haters, the late Asma Jahangir haters, use the labels "RAW agent" etc. very loosely.

Best of all, most of them believe that Mohammad bin Qasim laid the foundations of Pakistan. Most hardcore PTI supporters display these traits.

 

[Mian]

It is one of the key characteristics of PTI supporters. Other traits include supporting the military, very hostile towards India, anti-Pashtun Tahafuz Movement, but confused because Imran initially supported it, Malala haters, the late Asma Jahangir haters, use the labels "RAW agent" etc. very loosely.

Best of all, most of them believe that Mohammad bin Qasim laid the foundations of Pakistan. Most hardcore PTI supporters display these traits.

Imran support PTM's genuine demands and talked about them on floor recently and even withdrawn PTI candidate in their favor.

 

[enkidu_]

It is one of the key characteristics of PTI supporters. Other traits include supporting the military, very hostile towards India, anti-Pashtun Tahafuz Movement, but confused because Imran initially supported it, Malala haters, the late Asma Jahangir haters, use the labels "RAW agent" etc. very loosely.

Best of all, most of them believe that Mohammad bin Qasim laid the foundations of Pakistan. Most hardcore PTI supporters display these traits.

Ironically that all applies to the PML-N as well, perhaps not Asma Jahangir, because since Nawaz Sharif's U-turn they were on good terms, but earlier on what she accused Imran Khan of, she accused Nawaz Sharif as well. I'll open a whole new thread for you.

 

[Mian]

Ironically that all applies to the PML-N as well, perhaps not Asma Jahangir, because since Nawaz Sharif's U-turn they were on good terms, but earlier on what she accused Imran Khan of, she accused Nawaz Sharif as well. I'll open a whole new thread for you.

Please do we are tired of same debate in every other thread.

 

[Mamoon]

Ironically that all applies to the PML-N as well, perhaps not Asma Jahangir, because since Nawaz Sharif's U-turn they were on good terms, but earlier on what she accused Imran Khan of, she accused Nawaz Sharif as well. I'll open a whole new thread for you.

Please do we are tired of same debate in every other thread.

Yes, I hope some PML-N supporter would explain what they think of Asma Jahangir now and what they thought of her before. I am not a PML-N supporter, so I cannot explain for them.

 

[Mian]

Yes, I hope some PML-N supporter would explain what they think of Asma Jahangir now and what they thought of her before. I am not a PML-N supporter, so I cannot explain for them.

Maryam is your new leader and she is PMLN so dont run away from debates

 

[Mamoon]

Maryam is your new leader and she is PMLN so dont run away from debates

I am not answerable for what Nawaz Sharif and PML-N did in the past. However, I foresee a bright future for Maryam and I think PML-N will make a strong comeback when it becomes PML-M under the tutelage of Maryam, who is the strongest leader out of anyone in the Sharif family.

 

[shah_1]

Pakistanis in general are not exactly anti establishment.


It's best to be tolerant and not abuse or hate them.

 

[Mian]

I am not answerable for what Nawaz Sharif and PML-N did in the past. However, I foresee a bright future for Maryam and I think PML-N will make a strong comeback when it becomes PML-M under the tutelage of Maryam, who is the strongest leader out of anyone in the Sharif family.

For that she will have to build a new PMLN or M because i am already seeing Hamza being the leader of PMLN Central Punjab and right now PMLN is actually limited to central Punjab. Hamza mostly remains behind the scene but he is the best mind in Sharif family when it comes to constituency politics and negotiating with electables (he did that in 2013 too).

 

[Mamoon]

For that she will have to build a new PMLN or M because i am already seeing Hamza being the leader of PMLN Central Punjab and right now PMLN is actually limited to central Punjab. Hamza mostly remains behind the scene but he is the best mind in Sharif family when it comes to constituency politics and negotiating with electables (he did that in 2013 too).

Maryam will gain a lot of support in the future because of the time that she spent in jail. A lot of people will support her on the angle that she returned to Pakistan as a sacrifice for her people. She has given her political career a massive boost.

 

[Mian]

Maryam will gain a lot of support in the future because of the time that she spent in jail. A lot of people will support her on the angle that she returned to Pakistan as a sacrifice for her people. She has given her political career a massive boost.

Let's see how it turns out for her in long term because nothing is guaranteed in our politics.

 

[Mamoon]

Let's see how it turns out for her in long term because nothing is guaranteed in our politics.

Her return to Pakistan and spending time in jail with be the centre theme of her campaigns in the future. This is where Hamza will lose out in comparison.

 

[Terry Bollea]

I speak for PML N supporters and most of us are way more liberal than PTI fans. We don't hate India, nor do we hate Malala. We don't call anyone RAW agent randomly who don't support us

 

[Abdullah719]

I speak for PML N supporters and most of us are way more liberal than PTI fans. We don't hate India, nor do we hate Malala. We don't call anyone RAW agent randomly who don't support us

'But we do support chors to be our leaders'

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Their loss.

 

[enkidu_]

I speak for PML N supporters and most of us are way more liberal than PTI fans. We don't hate India, nor do we hate Malala. We don't call anyone RAW agent randomly who don't support us

Is that supposed to be a positive

 

[Mian]

I speak for PML N supporters and most of us are way more liberal than PTI fans. We don't hate India, nor do we hate Malala. We don't call anyone RAW agent randomly who don't support us

....and that help you guys to look innocent while looting the country?

 

[Terry Bollea]

Is that supposed to be a positive

Yeah it should be a positive. Hatred has never done anything good in the world

 

[Mamoon]

Yeah it should be a positive. Hatred has never done anything good in the world

Anti-India sentiment is the key to popularity in Pakistan. The establishment has spent a lot resources in the last 71 years to make India an enemy of Pakistan in the minds of our general populace, and they have been very successful in doing so.

 

[Mamoon]

'But we do support chors to be our leaders'

Yes, Pervez Khattak with his 20 crore chai bill is a saint.

 

[enkidu_]

Yeah it should be a positive. Hatred has never done anything good in the world

Anti-India sentiment is the key to popularity in Pakistan. The establishment has spent a lot resources in the last 71 years to make India an enemy of Pakistan in the minds of our general populace, and they have been very successful in doing so.

Hindu India is the exact opposite of the Islamic system Pakistan has chosen from its inception, and even more so with the rising Hindu nationalism.

By the way it's false to say that "anti-India sentiment is the key to popularity in Pakistan", sadly, the proof being Nawaz Sharif (friend of Modi/Jindal).

 

[Couch Cricketer]

Anti-India sentiment is the key to popularity in Pakistan. The establishment has spent a lot resources in the last 71 years to make India an enemy of Pakistan in the minds of our general populace, and they have been very successful in doing so.

That has been the case for india as well. They used each other to unite the federation India was successful at it we were not. The major difference indian politicians used Pakistan as the bogey man where as for us it was the military which became powerful.

 

[Terry Bollea]

Hindu India is the exact opposite of the Islamic system Pakistan has chosen from its inception, and even more so with the rising Hindu nationalism.

By the way it's false to say that "anti-India sentiment is the key to popularity in Pakistan", sadly, the proof being Nawaz Sharif (friend of Modi/Jindal).

Indians have way more liberals than Pakistan have and all of them are safe there. Amir Khan and Hirani made PK which mocked hindu nationalists openly and now imagine if Pakistan can make a movie which mocks mullahs?

 

[IMMY69]

Indians have way more liberals than Pakistan have and all of them are safe there. Amir Khan and Hirani made PK which mocked hindu nationalists openly and now imagine if Pakistan can make a movie which mocks mullahs?

While that all may be true can you explain why Indian’s have such low self esteem?

 

[Sirris]

I speak for PML N supporters and most of us are way more liberal than PTI fans. We don't hate India, nor do we hate Malala. We don't call anyone RAW agent randomly who don't support us

I can already tell you are not a typical PMLN supporter and are an anomaly.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Indians have way more liberals than Pakistan have and all of them are safe there. Amir Khan and Hirani made PK which mocked hindu nationalists openly and now imagine if Pakistan can make a movie which mocks mullahs?

Maybe you have not seen Shoaib Mansoor's Khuda ke liye. Mullah culture and extremism was bashed in the movie.

 

[enkidu_]

Indians have way more liberals than Pakistan have and all of them are safe there. Amir Khan and Hirani made PK which mocked hindu nationalists openly and now imagine if Pakistan can make a movie which mocks mullahs?

They have more liberals because they have +1 billion extra-population. They also have more Hindu fanatics and cow rescuers. You'll not find a Pak equivalent to the role Yogi Adityanath has in Indian politics, and the "Sangh Parivar", a Hindu nationalist umbrella of different groups (incl. the BJP and RSS) has a membership of nearly the total pop. of Pakistan (and we talk of actual members, not the informal adherents, who are always more numerous). If you fancy the idea of being hacked to death because you eat a beef burger it's up to you.

 

[Terry Bollea]

They have more liberals because they have +1 billion extra-population. They also have more Hindu fanatics and cow rescuers. You'll not find a Pak equivalent to the role Yogi Adityanath has in Indian politics, and the "Sangh Parivar", a Hindu nationalist umbrella of different groups (incl. the BJP and RSS) has a membership of nearly the total pop. of Pakistan (and we talk of actual members, not the informal adherents, who are always more numerous). If you fancy the idea of being hacked to death because you eat a beef burger it's up to you.

Khadim Hussain Rizvi is nothing less than him. He spreads hatred against certain sects and wants to nuke random European countries and he still got huge following

 

[Abdullah719]

Yes, Pervez Khattak with his 20 crore chai bill is a saint.

Still waiting on the CMH Pindi pics

 

[enkidu_]

Khadim Hussain Rizvi is nothing less than him. He spreads hatred against certain sects and wants to nuke random European countries and he still got huge following

We will see how Khadim Hussain Rizvi/TLP end up after the elections to have a better picture, and if his future support base will be comparable to that of Yogi Adityanath, who is the chief minister of the largest of the Indian states, Uttar Pradesh, who's pop is nearly the same as Pak (200 millions).

 

[Terry Bollea]

We will see how Khadim Hussain Rizvi/TLP end up after the elections to have a better picture, and if his future support base will be comparable to that of Yogi Adityanath, who is the chief minister of the largest of the Indian states, Uttar Pradesh, who's pop is nearly the same as Pak (200 millions).

They were successful in paralysing the whole country for two days so they are not as small as you think they are. They are a lot of Indians who are inclined towards Pakistan and hate extremists like Yogi but how many people in Pakistan who are inclined towards India are liked by the general populace?

 

[Mian]

They were successful in paralysing the whole country for two days so they are not as small as you think they are. They are a lot of Indians who are inclined towards Pakistan and hate extremists like Yogi but how many people in Pakistan who are inclined towards India are liked by the general populace?

general populace? You claimed PMLN supporters don't hate India so well FYI for last 5 years it was PMLN govt and they ruled 3 times on Pak and 5 times on Punjab. An they had majority right or was it all rigged?

 

[enkidu_]

They were successful in paralysing the whole country for two days so they are not as small as you think they are. They are a lot of Indians who are inclined towards Pakistan and hate extremists like Yogi but how many people in Pakistan who are inclined towards India are liked by the general populace?

You don't need millions of peoples to paralyze a country, but thousands suffice if you know how to leverage that manpower.

Indians "who are inclined towards Pakistan" are limited to few Bollywood's Punjabi artists hit by nostalgia because their roots are in Western Punjab.

No one in Pak should/would support a pro India stance or individual. If Nooras were aware of how much Sharif was an Indian asset, his support base would erode even more so than since his anti-establishment/Army U-turn.

 

[Terry Bollea]

You don't need millions of peoples to paralyze a country, but thousands suffice if you know how to leverage that manpower.

Indians "who are inclined towards Pakistan" are limited to few Bollywood's Punjabi artists hit by nostalgia because their roots are in Western Punjab.

No one in Pak should/would support a pro India stance or individual. If Nooras were aware of how much Sharif was an Indian asset, his support base would erode even more so than since his anti-establishment/Army U-turn.

Salman, SRK, Amir, John Abraham etc none of them are related to present day Pakistani Punjab and yet they are inclined and peaceful towards Pakistan unlike jokers you have in Pakistan like Hamza Abbasi, Fahad Mustafa or Shaan etc

 

[Terry Bollea]

general populace? You claimed PMLN supporters don't hate India so well FYI for last 5 years it was PMLN govt and they ruled 3 times on Pak and 5 times on Punjab. An they had majority right or was it all rigged?

PMLN supporters must be 30% of all Pakistan and other 70% includes jaahil molvis, Pushtoons, PTI supporters etc

 

[Mian]

PMLN supporters must be 30% of all Pakistan and other 70% includes jaahil molvis, Pushtoons, PTI supporters etc

wow i was well aware of racism in PMLN but you just made it even more clear here.

 

[Terry Bollea]

wow i was well aware of racism in PMLN but you just made it even more clear here.

How is that racist? I didn't call them jahil but they are not many Pushtoon PML N supporters and nor do they care much/like India

 

[enkidu_]

Salman, SRK, Amir, John Abraham etc none of them are related to present day Pakistani Punjab and yet they are inclined and peaceful towards Pakistan unlike jokers you have in Pakistan like Hamza Abbasi, Fahad Mustafa or Shaan etc

Salman = Pathan
SRK = Pathan
Aamir = Syed/Arab
John Abraham = Parsi

^they're all ethnoreligious minorities. Can you find me a Hindu from Maharashtra or Uttar Pradesh or dozen of Hindu majority states outside historical Punjab who's "pro Pakistan" ?

But tbh we don't need any "pro Pak" Indian either. Actually I'd be glad if 101% of Indians turn rabid anti Pak and show their true nature.

 

[Terry Bollea]

Salman = Pathan
SRK = Pathan
Aamir = Syed/Arab
John Abraham = Parsi

^they're all ethnoreligious minorities. Can you find me a Hindu from Maharashtra or Uttar Pradesh or dozen of Hindu majority states outside historical Punjab who's "pro Pakistan" ?

But tbh we don't need any "pro Pak" Indian either. Actually I'd be glad if 101% of Indians turn rabid anti Pak and show their true nature.

Almost all of Indian celebs are really friendly towards Pakistani and Pakistani artists thats why they still allow them to sing/act in the movies despite the pseudo ban on the Pakistani artists

 

[Mian]

How is that racist? I didn't call them jahil but they are not many Pushtoon PML N supporters and nor do they care much/like India

FYI PMLN ruled over KP twice and Mehtab Abbasi and Pir Sabir Shah were their CMs. As i mentioned earlier PMLN supporters are really bad at research and come up with these arguments without knowing the history looking like fools in the end.

 

[enkidu_]

Almost all of Indian celebs are really friendly towards Pakistani and Pakistani artists thats why they still allow them to sing/act in the movies despite the pseudo ban on the Pakistani artists

They do it for their own benefits. Atif Aslam/Rahat Fateh Ali Khan are appreciated in the whole of South Asia. Their songs are hits, and many movies become even more bankable thanks to them. Personally I'm for Bollywood banning every single artist from Pak (how many ? 2-3 ?) and to cut off the few last ties in all fields.

And anyway, as you know, Bollywood is monopolized by Khan's and Punjabi-Khatris (the ones most nostalgic, for their roots in West Punjab), with few Sindhis and Parsis here and there. It's not representative of all Indians, very far from it.

 

[Terry Bollea]

They do it for their own benefits. Atif Aslam/Rahat Fateh Ali Khan are appreciated in the whole of South Asia. Their songs are hits, and many movies become even more bankable thanks to them. Personally I'm for Bollywood banning every single artist from Pak (how many ? 2-3 ?) and to cut off the few last ties in all fields.

And anyway, as you know, Bollywood is monopolized by Khan's and Punjabi-Khatris (the ones most nostalgic, for their roots in West Punjab), with few Sindhis and Parsis here and there. It's not representative of all Indians, very far from it.

Many South Indian actors like Kamal Hassan and Rajnikanth are kind towards Pakistan too but none of them are called traitor by the general population unlike in Pakistan where any celeb who even goes to work in Bollywood becomes a traitor.

 

[Mian]

They do it for their own benefits. Atif Aslam/Rahat Fateh Ali Khan are appreciated in the whole of South Asia. Their songs are hits, and many movies become even more bankable thanks to them. Personally I'm for Bollywood banning every single artist from Pak (how many ? 2-3 ?) and to cut off the few last ties in all fields.

And anyway, as you know, Bollywood is monopolized by Khan's and Punjabi-Khatris (the ones most nostalgic, for their roots in West Punjab), with few Sindhis and Parsis here and there. It's not representative of all Indians, very far from it.

I wonder why no mention of Abhjeet Singh, Aasha Bhosle, Aadesh, Nana Patekar, Paresh Rawal, Anupam Kher, Sunny Deoal etc so far? All of their dislike for Pakistan and Pakistani artists is well documented

 

[Terry Bollea]

I wonder why no mention of Abhjeet Singh, Aasha Bhosle, Aadesh, Nana Patekar, Paresh Rawal, Anupam Kher, Sunny Deoal etc so far? All of their dislike for Pakistan and Pakistani artists is well documented

Abhijeet is a tool and now his career is finished too which is an indicator that he’s not well liked by Indians and I really don’t know from where you heard that Sunny Deol is anti Pakistan. Please post a link. I don’t think Anupam is anti Pakistan either because he worked in a Hollywood movie which was about Pakistani family

 

[Mian]

Abhijeet is a tool and now his career is finished too which is an indicator that he’s not well liked by Indians and I really don’t know from where you heard that Sunny Deol is anti Pakistan. Please post a link. I don’t think Anupam is anti Pakistan either because he worked in a Hollywood movie which was about Pakistani family

Watch this show of Arnab to get the idea of patriotic Anupam Kher standing with his brave Army bashing Pakistan on surgical attack issue. Just because he worked in a movie as Pakistani doesn't make him pro Pakistani

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[El Generico]

I speak for PML N supporters and most of us are way more liberal than PTI fans. We don't hate India, nor do we hate Malala. We don't call anyone RAW agent randomly who don't support us

I am glad to aee a PML-N supporter on this forum. I always had a question that I wanted to ask. How do you guys morally justify supporting a leader who can't even account for all the assets that he has?

Also do you actually think that the Sharif family isn't corrupt or do you think corruption isn't that big of a deal and support them anyways?

 

[El Generico]

Abhijeet is a tool and now his career is finished too which is an indicator that he’s not well liked by Indians and I really don’t know from where you heard that Sunny Deol is anti Pakistan. Please post a link. I don’t think Anupam is anti Pakistan either because he worked in a Hollywood movie which was about Pakistani family

What about Ajay Devgan , isn't he a huge auperstar in India?

https://indianexpress.com/article/e...ani-actors-farah-says-indians-better-3073105/

 

[Rinnegan Sasuke]

I'm a liberal, in fact I asked a couple of posters about their stance on liberals because I felt that many people voting for PTI who are liberals might feel alienated, suffice to say I was content with the answer given.

My reason for voting for PTI is simply because I feel that after 30 years of musical chairs being played by the sharifs and zardaris of this country, it's time for a new face. If they win, and i'm not satisfied with their work, they lose my vote for the next election.

Are there things I wish PTI would tackle more aggressively? Absolutely! Religious fanaticism and mullah culture are things that keep me up at night and I'm no fan of the army and wish to see them under the same blanket of accountability. And I hope these things get addressed.

 

[Varun]

Is that supposed to be a positive

Duh? I suppose you want to be a constant war-mongerer on the other hand?

 

[Vegitto1]

I have only one question.

A Fake Desi-Liberal is:

1. Who is happy to accept PMLN and PPP, despite the fact that they only come to power by either cutting a deal with the establishment or with their help, however as soon as they even suspect a hint of cooperation between the Establishment and PTI they start crying about "Deep-State".

2. Who is happy to vote for PPP and PMLN when they take all the defectors from Musharraf's era and PML-Q, however the moment these defectors change their allegiances to PTI, they label them as "Lota" "feudals" "status-quo".

3. Who will cry about the time it takes for our courts to give decisions - 6 to 7 years - however the moment our courts decide to act as they should and punish our politicians for their crimes, they complain "why did the courts act so quickly - persecution! Persecution by the deep state."

4. Who have no problem in accept Bilawal Bhutto as a PPP heir and Maryam Nawaz as PMLN heir, yet ridicule when Imran Khan tries to carry out Inter-party elections and fails (his intention to bring democracy within the party is ridiculed)

5. Who call Jahangir Tareen and Aleem Khan "Imran Khan's ATM" but turn a blind eye to Malik Riaz's financing of PPP and Mian Mansha's financing of PMLN.

6. Who think that a party, which received the the second highest number of votes in 2013 elections, giving a dharna demanding an investigation into election rigging is doing it on Establishment's orders but it is absolutely fine for a large crowd to go the Lahore Airport to receive a convicted criminal.

7. Who watched and supported Atizaz Ahsan and Chaudhary Nisar call each other corrupt and chor in Parliament during the 2014 Dharna, yet they said we will co-exist for the sake of "democracy" - but criticise Imran Khan for fighting to eliminate these people from our Parliament.

8. Who think that its perfectly acceptable for Shahbaz Sharif to get on stage and say that "he will tear open Zardari's stomach and bring back Pakistan's looted wealth and that he would drag him on the streets of Pakistan" and don't even bat an eye-lid when Shahbaz Sharif goes back on this after winning the elections. YET every time Imran gives a speech he is criticised for using "Na-zeba Ilfaz" and when he changes his view on a certain policy or matter it is termed as "U-Turn".

This list could go on and on, but the above should give you an idea of what a fake desi liberal is. Happy hunting.

 

[Mian]

A Fake Desi-Liberal is:

1. Who is happy to accept PMLN and PPP, despite the fact that they only come to power by either cutting a deal with the establishment or with their help, however as soon as they even suspect a hint of cooperation between the Establishment and PTI they start crying about "Deep-State".

2. Who is happy to vote for PPP and PMLN when they take all the defectors from Musharraf's era and PML-Q, however the moment these defectors change their allegiances to PTI, they label them as "Lota" "feudals" "status-quo".

3. Who will cry about the time it takes for our courts to give decisions - 6 to 7 years - however the moment our courts decide to act as they should and punish our politicians for their crimes, they complain "why did the courts act so quickly - persecution! Persecution by the deep state."

4. Who have no problem in accept Bilawal Bhutto as a PPP heir and Maryam Nawaz as PMLN heir, yet ridicule when Imran Khan tries to carry out Inter-party elections and fails (his intention to bring democracy within the party is ridiculed)

5. Who call Jahangir Tareen and Aleem Khan "Imran Khan's ATM" but turn a blind eye to Malik Riaz's financing of PPP and Mian Mansha's financing of PMLN.

6. Who think that a party, which received the the second highest number of votes in 2013 elections, giving a dharna demanding an investigation into election rigging is doing it on Establishment's orders but it is absolutely fine for a large crowd to go the Lahore Airport to receive a convicted criminal.

7. Who watched and supported Atizaz Ahsan and Chaudhary Nisar call each other corrupt and chor in Parliament during the 2014 Dharna, yet they said we will co-exist for the sake of "democracy" - but criticise Imran Khan for fighting to eliminate these people from our Parliament.

8. Who think that its perfectly acceptable for Shahbaz Sharif to get on stage and say that "he will tear open Zardari's stomach and bring back Pakistan's looted wealth and that he would drag him on the streets of Pakistan" and don't even bat an eye-lid when Shahbaz Sharif goes back on this after winning the elections. YET every time Imran gives a speech he is criticised for using "Na-zeba Ilfaz" and when he changes his view on a certain policy or matter it is termed as "U-Turn".

This list could go on and on, but the above should give you an idea of what a fake desi liberal is. Happy hunting.

What a reply! brilliant post

 

[Extra_Cover]

It is one of the key characteristics of PTI supporters. Other traits include supporting the military, very hostile towards India, anti-Pashtun Tahafuz Movement, but confused because Imran initially supported it, Malala haters, the late Asma Jahangir haters, use the labels "RAW agent" etc. very loosely.

Best of all, most of them believe that Mohammad bin Qasim laid the foundations of Pakistan. Most hardcore PTI supporters display these traits.

I'm a PTI supporter and I support Pakistan military. I'm not hostile against India, not against PTM, endorse Malala as much as I can (true people's champ), not a hater of Asma Jahangir (she had difference of opinion of late and I did not agree with her late statements but I acknowledge she was a champion especially for women in law) and I have never used the word RAW agent.

Now, I support Imran because he has the traits of a leader (someone you acknowledge is better than yourself). Shahbaz, Nawaz, Zardari, etc don't quite fit the definition of the leader simply because they have never earned anything in life. Nawaz got power due to Zia while Zardari got power due to BB. On the other hand Imran has achieved it all by himself alone. There was no one standing with him 22 years back and the entire country is standing with him today. This is the definition of a leader, this is what defines Imran.