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Why does Pakistan have the worst pace attack (apart from Bangladesh) in Tests?

OP looking silly here. To claim the likes of SL have a better pace attack is beyond a joke really.
 
babajee said:
He was clearly tired all day and not bowling at 100% intensity.
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Dude, its his first test and he is bowling in England, not hot UAE.So no excuses for fatigue.He just doesnt have it in him to sustain the intensity for longer periods.And such bowlers will never be successful in Tests.
 
Dingolfy said:
Dude, its his first test and he is bowling in England, not hot UAE.So no excuses for fatigue.He just doesnt have it in him to sustain the intensity for longer periods.And such bowlers will never be successful in Tests.
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He will get fitter and fitter.
 
Send1983 said:
Call him the best bowler from Asia after he finds out how to bowl on flat wickets and how to improve fitness.
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Flat wickets isn’t a problem at all. Fitness I guess does need work in test matches.
 
Rayyman said:
Thank God for the Pakistani bowlers to shut these Indians up
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What I find even more amusing is that this OP is so confident that his side will be in for a cakewalk with their 5 test series, in order to downplay Pakistan's achievements and boost their ego in the process.
 
Hope you lads can score these runs. Pk bowling is very promising. Young in terms of tests but very talented. Need 1 quick bowler for the set. 5 bowler strategy worked well.
 
The OP has been praised by a few in past for his “unbiased views” but in reality most of his posting here at PP has been unnecessary hyperboles backed by no thought.
 
BreadPakoda said:
The OP has been praised by a few in past for his “unbiased views” but in reality most of his posting here at PP has been unnecessary hyperboles backed by no thought.
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I was and I will try to give UNBIASED views, irrespective of what others say. I said this for your test attack, ESPECIALLY BASED ON SL and IRE series. I have no problem to be PROVED WRONG.

Atlast world needs quality teams. Especially quality seamers which world is missing.

And yeah, u can have ur opinions about me, but it doesn't make much difference to me, I reckon.
 
Send1983 said:
Lol at best bowling attack after getting team out once on helpful condition. They are not even in top 3 in my opinion.
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They got them out twice and finished the match within 4 days. Anything else do you want from the worst bowling attack?
 
BreadPakoda said:
The OP has been praised by a few in past for his “unbiased views” but in reality most of his posting here at PP has been unnecessary hyperboles backed by no thought.
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Exactly my thought .he is doing it purposefully without any logic
 
What kind of speeds are Hasan, Amir and Abbas clocking?

Didn’t get to catch the match and cricinfo is not showing speeds on deliveries(I am almost certain that it used to...?)
 
as-95 said:
What kind of speeds are Hasan, Amir and Abbas clocking?

Didn’t get to catch the match and cricinfo is not showing speeds on deliveries(I am almost certain that it used to...?)
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Abbas was 82-85 consistently..hassan was 85-88/89, Amir also 83-85/86.
 
And to think just a year ago our bowling line up had Sohail Khan who would huff and puff after three overs, Rahat Ali to guide the lesser beings, Wahab Riaz to spray it around, Imran Khan only selected because of his name. Amir was perhaps the only one holding the fort of the test bowling line up alongside Shah.


Now he has bowlers like Hasan and Abbas for company and you can see the improvement in Amir's and team's performance.
 
Syed1 said:
And to think just a year ago our bowling line up had Sohail Khan who would huff and puff after three overs, Rahat Ali to guide the lesser beings, Wahab Riaz to spray it around, Imran Khan only selected because of his name. Amir was perhaps the only one holding the fort of the test bowling line up alongside Shah.


Now he has bowlers like Hasan and Abbas for company and you can see the improvement in Amir's and team's performance.
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Also what impressed me most is the fact that Amir HAS the ability to absolutely crank it up when the bowl starts to reverse and bring in that middle overs Pakistan fast bowling magic. People on this forum harp about how we need Wahab since he's the 'enforcer'....Well what do you know? Amir was literally touching 90mph for an extended 6 over spell and absolutely made the English batsmen clueless with high quality reverse swing bowling!! That Braistow wicket was stuff Geeli Pappis are made off!! :ma

Top notch from the lad!!
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
Also what impressed me most is the fact that Amir HAS the ability to absolutely crank it up when the bowl starts to reverse and bring in that middle overs Pakistan fast bowling magic. People on this forum harp about how we need Wahab since he's the 'enforcer'....Well what do you know? Amir was literally touching 90mph for an extended 6 over spell and absolutely made the English batsmen clueless with high quality reverse swing bowling!! That Braistow wicket was stuff Geeli Pappis are made off!! :ma

Top notch from the lad!!
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It was trademark of pre ban Amir he could up and down his pace as per need had lost this since return this game was the first time he showed this skill was possibly doing it vs Ireland as well but we had no speed guns I believe inshallah a haul is around corner this is the best he has looked since return.
 
Xoib said:
Amir was comfortably quicker then Hassan in second innings was consistently bowling 87-89
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yeah youre probably right but overall on average hasan was slightly quicker but not by much,.,,Amir looked back to his best!!
 
Syed1 said:
And to think just a year ago our bowling line up had Sohail Khan who would huff and puff after three overs, Rahat Ali to guide the lesser beings, Wahab Riaz to spray it around, Imran Khan only selected because of his name. Amir was perhaps the only one holding the fort of the test bowling line up alongside Shah.


Now he has bowlers like Hasan and Abbas for company and you can see the improvement in Amir's and team's performance.
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we're looking devastating and love it when we come in and destroy these overhyped pretenders..All this talk of who is a shooperishtaar..boils my bloood..we're gonna make these so called shooperishtaars eat dirt!!
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
They got them out twice and finished the match within 4 days. Anything else do you want from the worst bowling attack?
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Did I say they are the worst bowling lineup? Why are you getting upset here?its my opinion that they are not one of top three. You are preaching everyone to respect your opinion, why don’t you follow your own advice?
 
The performance has been amazing, but we should not get too excited. Still need to be tested in other conditions

Faheem is also too bits and pieces for me. His bowling just doesn’t do anything for me and I reckon will be an issue on pitches where you need bounce or in the uae


I wish Amad Butt had developed more
 
Good attack but has a long way to go.

In AUS and UAE, Hassan and Amir can do because they touch around 90 MPH.

But Abbas will not pick up wickets for fun despite being economical as we saw in the SL series.

I would debut Shaheen against NZ and than take him to SA as a reserve for Amir.

This attack needs another 90 MPH Left-Armer, which we have in Shaheen and a 85-90 MPH 6’5 bowler who can hit the deck hard.
 
Kohli said:
There you go. As I said earlier, you can't say anything based on one Innings.

They are again struggling.
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And you are as usual no idea what you are saying but bumping when eng still have not completed first inning yet
 
Kohli said:
There you go. As I said earlier, you can't say anything based on one Innings.

They are again struggling.
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It is a flat wicket with hardly any movement. I’d love to see what India would do :))
 
Syed1 said:
And to think just a year ago our bowling line up had Sohail Khan who would huff and puff after three overs, Rahat Ali to guide the lesser beings, Wahab Riaz to spray it around, Imran Khan only selected because of his name. Amir was perhaps the only one holding the fort of the test bowling line up alongside Shah.


Now he has bowlers like Hasan and Abbas for company and you can see the improvement in Amir's and team's performance.
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However much Sohail huffed and puffed, he is also did what Rahat and Wahab could not, take multiple 5fers in England. A series deciding bowler in his last outing.
 
Kohli said:
I thought England bowled on the same wicket. Also, how much cloudy should it be?

If it becomes more cloudy, play will be called off.
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There was swing in the air.

Pakistan didn’t bat well either.
 
Send1983 said:
Lol at your excuse. When eng bowled ball moved miles but pitch is flat when pak bowlers bowl. :))
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Pakistan out bowled ENG at Lord's. No doubt about it.

But all were jumping around after 1st match, how Pak is a top bowling side. As I said earlier we can't come to a conclusion after one match, especially when they bowled so bad against SL and IRE.

However, Pak have a better LOI attack. May be even a top 4 bowling attacks in LOIs.
 
This match is proving that in the previous game, Pakistan’s victory was due to england playing badly than pakistan being exceptional.
 
Kohli said:
Bro, please use some sense.

Obviously Pakistan will bowl England out. But what's the use if they allow them to score 300 - 350.

Even ZIM will bowl England out for 600.
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I have sense you just said eng won.t be get out so what does that mean?
 
saeed5646 said:
I have sense you just said eng won.t be get out so what does that mean?
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Could you please read the post again. Anyways I'll help you. This time in upper case and in marked in quotes. I said,

"HOW CAN ENGLAND COMPLETE THEIR FIRST INNINGS, WHEN PAKISTAN BOWLERS CAN'T TAKE WICKETS?"

A 3rd class student would know an innings in tests would complete only if Bowlers get wickets. Another way possible is for 10 run outs, which I don't think will happen even in LOIS.

If Pak bowlers get Eng all out after 300 to 350, again it will be of no use.
 
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Send1983 said:
Did you not see Indian bowling recently? they never let SA, better team and better batting lineup than England, score more than 300.
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But how did SA still manage to win that series
a)pitches were bowling friendly
B)indian test batting was below par
 
Kohli said:
Could you please read the post again. Anyways I'll help you. This time in upper case and in marked in quotes. I said,

"HOW CAN ENGLAND COMPLETE THEIR FIRST INNINGS, WHEN PAKISTAN BOWLERS CAN'T TAKE WICKETS?"

A 3rd class student would know an innings in tests would complete only if Bowlers get wickets. Another way possible is for 10 run outs, which I don't think will happen even in LOIS.

If Pak bowlers get Eng all out after 300 to 350, again it will be of no use.
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Please tell me also who will win the football worldcup this year? please !!as you are time teller who knows nothings before it happen
 
saeed5646 said:
Please tell me also who will win the football worldcup this year? please !!as you are time teller who knows nothings before it happen
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Sorry bro. You didn't answer my question.

Anyways I have already posted around 5 posts today, which is a lot to me, as I don't spend time on these forums.

I thought you to be a sensible poster, Alas!
 
Kohli said:
Sorry bro. You didn't answer my question.

Anyways I have already posted around 5 posts today, which is a lot to me, as I don't spend time on these forums.

I thought you to be a sensible poster, Alas!
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You assume things which cannot be correct all the time .pitch is not flat eng may be bowled out cheaply before 300 .the first inning of both team have not completed yet and you have bump this thread which is not right
 
saeed5646 said:
But how did SA still manage to win that series
a)pitches were bowling friendly
B)indian test batting was below par
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As you asked for the reason why we lost the series, these are the reasons.

Team selection was poor, lack of preparation and batsmen didn’t bat well in first 2 test matches. Bowling was top class through out even without proper preparation.

If you are saying this headingley pitch is not bowler friendly, then what your batsmen were doing scoring only 174, that too mostly scored by lower order and tail Enders on batsman friendly wicket?
 
SM1989 said:
This match is proving that in the previous game, Pakistan’s victory was due to england playing badly than pakistan being exceptional.
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Utter rubbish

Pakistan have been brilliant in all aspects in Lord's

Typical Pessimist Pakistan fan
 
Send1983 said:
As you asked for the reason why we lost the series, these are the reasons.

Team selection was poor, lack of preparation and batsmen didn’t bat well in first 2 test matches. Bowling was top class through out even without proper preparation.

If you are saying this headingley pitch is not bowler friendly, then what your batsmen were doing scoring only 174, that too mostly scored by lower order and tail Enders on batsman friendly wicket?
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So how did eng bowlers were unable to get out weak pak batting cheaply at lords ?when pak bowlers bowled them out cheaply.broad and anderson are very good in eng
 
saeed5646 said:
So how did eng bowlers were unable to get out weak pak batting cheaply at lords ?when pak bowlers bowled them out cheaply.broad and anderson are very good in eng
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Because two of their bowlers in their twilight of their career. Spinner played his first game. Other seamer was hit the deck bowler not suited for Lord’s.
 
Send1983 said:
Because two of their bowlers in their twilight of their career. Spinner played his first game. Other seamer was hit the deck bowler not suited for Lord’s.
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You have no idea what are you talking broad is bowling quicker than he was in 2015/16 with extra zip and anderson is also still very good with the ball
 
saeed5646 said:
You have no idea what are you talking broad is bowling quicker than he was in 2015/16 with extra zip and anderson is also still very good with the ball
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Hope you know what you are talking. These two together have taken 900 wickets. Now you are telling me Broad is getting better.:))
 
It is not it is up there with the best.

Everybody muddies the waters with our batting. I f our batters were upto the mark and doing their job the bowlers wouldn't get highlighted as much.

The bowlers are having to win games when batters aren't pulling their weight
 
Send1983 said:
Hope you know what you are talking. These two together have taken 900 wickets. Now you are telling me Broad is getting better.:))
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Ok let me rephrase for you what naseer hussain said"broad is getting better with the age "
 
Its their batting which let them down.The bowlers cant bowl out other team every team for less than 200.
 
Kohli said:
I thought England bowled on the same wicket. Also, how much cloudy should it be?

If it becomes more cloudy, play will be called off.
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Headingley swing does't depend on cloud, it can often swing more in the sunshine if the atmosphere is conducive. After rain it doesn't always swing because of the wet ball, I think Sarfraz got the call wrong on the first morning, but that's how it works sometimes, not easy to predict the weather in England.
 
After lord's test match some posters started chest thumping by saying that pak is the best test bowling lineup in the world....LOL.
Yes they are not as bad as the OP says but they are nowhere near SA,AUS.
IND TOUR OF ENG WILL DECIDE WHICH TEAM HAS A BETTER test bowling attack.
 
The worrying thing for Pakistan should be the lack of pace of their bowlers in Tests.None of them could even hit 145 kph this time and no more excuses of hot UAE.You need to find better fast bowlers who have the stamina and pace to bowl in Tests.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
After lord's test match some posters started chest thumping by saying that pak is the best test bowling lineup in the world....LOL.
Yes they are not as bad as the OP says but they are nowhere near SA,AUS.
IND TOUR OF ENG WILL DECIDE WHICH TEAM HAS A BETTER test bowling attack.
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No. The two teams playing against each will determine that.
 
Dingolfy said:
The worrying thing for Pakistan should be the lack of pace of their bowlers in Tests.None of them could even hit 145 kph this time and no more excuses of hot UAE.You need to find better fast bowlers who have the stamina and pace to bowl in Tests.
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Please, not wahab again. We would have lost 2-0
 
Pete Rose said:
Dismissing a team of 360 odd is respectable. Batting was the issue
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Look at how they bowled and dismissed yours.Should have restricted them under 250.
And i am not only talking about this series but for your future.
 
Dingolfy said:
Look at how they bowled and dismissed yours.Should have restricted them under 250.
And i am not only talking about this series but for your future.
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same could be said in reverse fr England in first test are Anderson and Broad ordinary?
 
The cumulative Tests played by the fast bowlers amount to 19 for this bowling attack. It was 14 in the last Test. Go figure.

The quality of discussion on this forum is plummeting at a faster than the Pakistan cricket team.
 
Overall bowling attack certainly is poor and has been for quite some time . Guys with pace have limited skill, the ones with skill are short or trundlers and then there's Imran with no pace, height ,skill or accuracy but gets selected by Misbah regardless
 
very young attack. naseem has potential.
shaheen is very talented. future looks bright.

it's a learning curve.

musa is trash though.
abbas is just lol worthy
 
Pretty sure now that Bangladesh and Sri Lanka have better test bowling line up than Pakistan. Now just waiting for time even Afghanistan will surpass pakistani bowlers with misbah and waqar at helm.
 
I think Pakistan has some good potential fast bowlers in Hasnain, Rauf and Naseem, but for some reason they are picking short unremarkable bowlers like Musa who are never going to amount to anything.

Quite possible that those guys would concede just as many runs, but at least they would produce the odd wicket taking delivery.
 
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