Why is Asad Shafiq given the golden boy treatment in ODIs?

[AZ]

So it is OK for Misbah to keep playing Malik...... who had not scored single 50 in 33 matches since 2009.... just becuase he plays at #6................. but keep dropping Asad who had scored 50 ...and then drop, 50 ... and then drop... and a 50.. and then drop...just because Asad bats at #3-5??? What kind of argument is this? I am confused.

Let me post this AGAIN .... number of times Misbah DROPPED Asad 1 or 2 innings after Asad had scored a 50 (or a decent score.... just count NUMBER of TIME Misbah did that;





...and here is what our Kaptaan Misbah did to Malik...... 13 matches on the trot.... with only one drop vs Scotland ....which was termed as "rest", if I recall.



Great captaincy.... I would say!





Now you are sounding like BZ... that only top order batsmen require to score runs...... #6 batsman is exempt!


So you are saying that it was obvious for Misbah that Asad (while scoring 50s) ..... was painfully struggling vs fast bowlers...... and yet Malik who had not scored a single 50 in 33 ODI matches and an ave of 18.50, was totally at ease against all type of bowlers????




In place of Malik or Asad? I know, Malik bats at #6 (hence BZ's whines).... and Asad at #3, 4 and 5.

Malik this and Malik that...you are equally obsessed as BZ.

drop them BOTH, neither is good enough at this stage.

 

[zaid65]

Malik this and Malik that...you are equally obsessed as BZ.

drop them BOTH, neither is good enough at this stage.

As I made a thread that when you argue with Pakistani fans about certain player's failure, they will come up with another pathetic player's stats to justify the selection of less pathetic player.

Despite I have disagreement with W35 over certain issues, I found him quite knowledgeable poster but it is sad to see if this is the mentality and mindset of educated poster, why do you blame the average Pakistani fans and selectors?

This is why we are not able to form a good and balance team, as usual, we worship personalities not the players.

 

[Mamoon]

As I made a thread that when you argue with Pakistani fans about certain player's failure, they will come up with another pathetic player's stats to justify the selection of less pathetic player.

Despite I have disagreement with W35 over certain issues, I found him quite knowledgeable poster but it is sad to see if this is the mentality and mindset of educated poster, why do you blame the average Pakistani fans and selectors?

This is why we are not able to form a good and balance team, as usual, we worship personalities not the players.

You accuse the fans of over-hyping the players yet if I recall correctly, you said that Nasir Jamshed is the best batsman we have ever produced.

If that isn't super over-hyping, what is it?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

He looks more suited to test cricket to me. Solid player but doesn't rotate strike well enough for ODI's for me.

 

[W63L35]

Malik this and Malik that...you are equally obsessed as BZ.

drop them BOTH, neither is good enough at this stage.

I thought the point/discussion/debate was about Mibsah's pathetic captaincy in selecting the final playing XI. But that is Ok.. if you don't have a reply to Misbah's selection policies!

I have said many time..... MALIKS DOES NOT SELECT HIMSELF. I have no issue with Malik from selection stand point... it is the our captain with backbone made of jelly who can't take a stand against selectors ..........or is deeeeeeeply in love with Malik.

 

[AZ]

I thought the point/discussion/debate was about Mibsah's pathetic captaincy in selecting the final playing XI. But that is Ok.. if you don't have a reply to Misbah's selection policies!

I have said many time..... MALIKS DOES NOT SELECT HIMSELF. I have no issue with Malik from selection stand point... it is the our captain with backbone made of jelly who can't take a stand against selectors ..........or is deeeeeeeply in love with Malik.

no it is about Shafiq and his poor displays in ODIs...you are the one who diverted it into a Malik issue.

 

[zaid65]

You accuse the fans of over-hyping the players yet if I recall correctly, you said that Nasir Jamshed is the best batsman we have ever produced.

If that isn't super over-hyping, what is it?

Show me the statement where I said he is BEST PLAYER COUNTRY EVER PRODUCED.

 

[KB-24]

Never been convinced of his ability for ODIs, he has improved in test cricket however, despite backing from Misbah to bat in the middle order he hasn't delivered. Just don't think he's cut out for ODIs. Much rather have stroke players who can rotate strike and hit boundaries.

 

[Mamoon]

Show me the statement where I said he is BEST PLAYER COUNTRY EVER PRODUCED.

"I dont know how much cricket you have seen, but I can safely say that there might be handful posters on this forum who have seen more cricket than me.

On record, I have never hyped players, in fact if you have followed all my predictions, they came out true. I predicted Fawad Alam, Sami, Umar gul are useless, you can see the results, I have been on the case of Afridi for so long, time has proved I was right, Asad Shafiq is mediore, time will prove my prediction. I said Azhar Ali is good, you see the results.

There is no doubt Saeed and Younis are great batsman for Pakistan, but what I have seen in Jamshed, I have never seen in any Pakistani batsman throughout my life.

So far, he has played two formats and in both the formats, he is the best batsman of the team. Younis Khan despite being the top class batsman, not a one day or T20 material, he is one dimensional player, yes Anwar was great, but Jamshed has more talent, more compact, less flashy, better shot selection and more power in his strokes.

I have no doubt, he will be the best batsman Pakistan has ever produced.



Let me repeat on more time, I have seeing cricket longer than the majority of the people on this forum. To me, Jamshed is rare find of Pakistan cricket, he is more talented, more composed, better footwork and better batsman than Saeed Anwar.

If he would given consistent run, he could be the best opener we could ever have and in par with Inzi as batsman.

PS: I have made this statement before his yesterday's knock."




http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=162289

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=160233

Posts made in the threads above last September.

I know you didn't say he IS. You said he WILL and COULD be BUT

This over-hyping of Jamshed completely trumps the hype of all other cricketers by all other fans combined.

On basis of a few knocks, you have come to the conclusion that he will be better than Anwar and will be the best batsman we have ever produced if persisted with.

You are the type of person who has an extremely high opinion of yourself but in reality you aren't much different than others. Please look into the mirror before criticizing other "mediocre" posters for over-hyping mediocre players because you are worse than them.

I hope your outlandish prediction comes true; but this is hyping someone to the core and therefore, you are in no position to criticize a fellow poster for over-hyping players.

 

[W63L35]

no it is about Shafiq and his poor displays in ODIs...you are the one who diverted it into a Malik issue.

Here was the discussion:

How many matches he has played consecutively?

I think he has a technique and temparemennt. Pakistan just need to give him confidence and give him regular chances

to which my reply was......

Good point.... here is the list of ODIs since his debut.... "DNP" in the first column indicates that he was dropped for that match. Bold are "good" scores after which he was dropped;

Misbah KEPT playing Malik who had not scored a single 50 since 2009.... but kept dropping Asad 50s after 50s after 50s....

How can anybody feel secure about their place in the team.....in these circumstances?????

See... I was replying to ..... sehan's comment about giving Asad a decent run in the team ... then building his confidence. I just compared Misbah's double standard's - while keep selecting Malik and keep dropping Asad....

.. and for some odd reason, you started to feel sensitive to comments towards Misbah.


One more time.... Malik does not select himself.... it is pathetic selection committee who selects Malik int he squad...... and more that pathetic captain who keeps selecting Malik .... in the final playing XI.... even failure after failure!

 

[Cricket_MN]

Is this a Joke?

Asad Shafiq is probably the best batsman (technically) in the Pakistan team right now and we have thread questioning him why he is playing.

It is threads like these (including some of the post favoring it) why our cricket standards have gone down so much.

It is because of this mentality why we keep selecting very mediocre players like Shoaib Malik and Kamran Akmal.

There might be other batsmen at the domestic level who might have better batting technique, I don't know but when you compare Asad with any of the current Pakistani batsmen he is head and shoulder above them.

It would make sense to criticize his batting technique if we had the batting power house like India but the truth is that we don't. He is the best we have so far.

His only problem that I see is that he seems too nice of a guy. He doesn't need to have an attitude like Shehzad but in Pakistan team it wouldn't hurt to be just a little bit cocky

 

[zaid65]

"I dont know how much cricket you have seen, but I can safely say that there might be handful posters on this forum who have seen more cricket than me.

On record, I have never hyped players, in fact if you have followed all my predictions, they came out true. I predicted Fawad Alam, Sami, Umar gul are useless, you can see the results, I have been on the case of Afridi for so long, time has proved I was right, Asad Shafiq is mediore, time will prove my prediction. I said Azhar Ali is good, you see the results.

There is no doubt Saeed and Younis are great batsman for Pakistan, but what I have seen in Jamshed, I have never seen in any Pakistani batsman throughout my life.

So far, he has played two formats and in both the formats, he is the best batsman of the team. Younis Khan despite being the top class batsman, not a one day or T20 material, he is one dimensional player, yes Anwar was great, but Jamshed has more talent, more compact, less flashy, better shot selection and more power in his strokes.

I have no doubt, he will be the best batsman Pakistan has ever produced.



Let me repeat on more time, I have seeing cricket longer than the majority of the people on this forum. To me, Jamshed is rare find of Pakistan cricket, he is more talented, more composed, better footwork and better batsman than Saeed Anwar.

If he would given consistent run, he could be the best opener we could ever have and in par with Inzi as batsman.

PS: I have made this statement before his yesterday's knock."




http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=162289

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=160233

Posts made in the threads above last September.

I know you didn't say he IS. You said he WILL and COULD be BUT

This over-hyping of Jamshed completely trumps the hype of all other cricketers by all other fans combined.

On basis of a few knocks, you have come to the conclusion that he will be better than Anwar and will be the best batsman we have ever produced if persisted with.

You are the type of person who has an extremely high opinion of yourself but in reality you aren't much different than others. Please look into the mirror before criticizing other "mediocre" posters for over-hyping mediocre players because you are worse than them.

I hope your outlandish prediction comes true; but this is hyping someone to the core and therefore, you are in no position to criticize a fellow poster for over-hyping players.

It seems like you need to take some English comprehension classes.

According to your earlier post, I said, Nasir IS the best batsman country has ever produced. But the actual statement is, I predicted , Nasir WILL be the best batsman country ever produced.

If you are already Mamoon, don't try to make other people as Mamoon

 

[Mamoon]

It seems like you need to take some English comprehension classes.

According to your earlier post, I said, Nasir IS the best batsman country has ever produced. But the actual statement is, I predicted , Nasir WILL be the best batsman country ever produced.

If you are already Mamoon, don't try to make other people as Mamoon

Read the black bold part.

Yes I misquoted slightly, but still, isn't what you said ultra-hyping of a player?

How can you blame others for hyping up players when you have come the conclusion that if persisted with, Jamshed will be the best batsman we have ever produced?

based on what? a few innings?

 

[the Great Khan]

I agree with W6 and Mamoon, I dont understand why Asad isnt given a decent run. Give him a whole series or two and then see if he's upto it or not. Why give him a couple of matches then if he flunks in the second you drop him for the next five. Sorry but that just doesnt make sense. He has shown great technique in the hardest form of the game and needs just a bit of confidence from his captain , and I can see him thriving very quickly.

Lets just give him a consistent run and this includes azhar too.
Lets pick azhar,asad and akmal jnr, give them a good few matches and see what happens. What have we got to lose??

 

[Mamoon]

I agree with W6 and Mamoon, I dont understand why Asad isnt given a decent run. Give him a whole series or two and then see if he's upto it or not. Why give him a couple of matches then if he flunks in the second you drop him for the next five. Sorry but that just doesnt make sense. He has shown great technique in the hardest form of the game and needs just a bit of confidence from his captain , and I can see him thriving very quickly.

Lets just give him a consistent run and this includes azhar too.
Lets pick azhar,asad and akmal jnr, give them a good few matches and see what happens. What have we got to lose??

The experience of garbage like Younis and Malik

 

[zaid65]

Read the black bold part.

Yes I misquoted slightly, but still, isn't what you said ultra-hyping of a player?

How can you blame others for hyping up players when you have come the conclusion that if persisted with, Jamshed will be the best batsman we have ever produced?

based on what? a few innings?

You have serious problem not only with comprehension, but reading at the stats.

Mohammad Yousuf was averaging 40 around 40 one days. Inzi was averaging 37 around same one day game, Nasir Jamshed is averaging 40 with 3 centuries and 7 fifties, which is almost on par with the legends of Pakistan cricket.

My statement was based on those stats and my personal observation. I hate to say, but so far my predictions, if not 100% true but close to 90% accurate.

I would be happy to see Asad Shafiq prove me wrong, but I don't see any substance like Inzi, Yousuf or Miandad, but Nasir Jamshed is the one who could be our next legend.

 

[Billu_Barber]

Asad Shafiq plays just as many stupid shots in ODIs to get out as Umar Akmal. But for some strange reason we have a habit of classifying Asad's dismissals as "poor" shots whilst labeling Umar's as "brainfarts". Don't understand the double standards. Is it because Umar is related to Kamran is hated because of association?

 

[loifan]

Azad is more composed than Umar. Umar is flashy. but Azad would more often than not score consistently with his tecnic. People here always prefer Umar as he is more like Afridi kinda player. Most of the pakistanis are afridi fans. Hence they always prefer Umar over Azad.

For me Azad is a better player.

 

[Billu_Barber]

Azad is more composed than Umar. Umar is flashy. but Azad would more often than not score consistently with his tecnic. People here always prefer Umar as he is more like Afridi kinda player. Most of the pakistanis are afridi fans. Hence they always prefer Umar over Azad.

For me Azad is a better player.

He's more composed in Tests but not in ODIs. Go watch some videos of his dismissals in ODIs. Absolutely idiotic shots. Asad with his consistency averages 10 less than the inconsistent Umar.

 

[W63L35]

Nasir Jamshed is only ONE of the FOUR Pakistani batsmen who make this list.....
(1000 or more ODI runs, Ave > 35 and S/R > 80).....

Miandad, Inzi, MoYo, Aamir Sohail and a lot of other players don't make the list.

Only 37 ODI batsmen from ALL teams make the list.


From other countries, Lara, Dravid, Sanaga, Jayawardene, Kallis, Waugh brothers, Trott, Bell, Ganguly, Greme Smith, Bevan and many other big names don't make the list.



.

 

[PB]

Azad is more composed than Umar. Umar is flashy. but Azad would more often than not score consistently with his tecnic. People here always prefer Umar as he is more like Afridi kinda player. Most of the pakistanis are afridi fans. Hence they always prefer Umar over Azad.

For me Azad is a better player.

Whose this Azad.
Hows India's Chestwar Pajero doing?

 

[Eht]

Asad's batting average in the matches Pakistan have won = 26.29
Asad's batting average in the matches Pakistan have lost = 28.26

I wonder that from the above mentioned stats, I can conclude that the Asad have not yet made significant match winning contributions with the bat, and also he is not some one who can contribute with the ball or is extra ordinary in the field. These could be the reasons that he didn't get the consistent chances.

 

[Executioner]

to be fair, its a serious injustice to overlook shehzad time and again. Pakistan's team selection raises some huge question mark.

 

[KB-24]

Is this a Joke?

Asad Shafiq is probably the best batsman (technically) in the Pakistan team right now and we have thread questioning him why he is playing.

It is threads like these (including some of the post favoring it) why our cricket standards have gone down so much.

It is because of this mentality why we keep selecting very mediocre players like Shoaib Malik and Kamran Akmal.

There might be other batsmen at the domestic level who might have better batting technique, I don't know but when you compare Asad with any of the current Pakistani batsmen he is head and shoulder above them.

It would make sense to criticize his batting technique if we had the batting power house like India but the truth is that we don't. He is the best we have so far.

His only problem that I see is that he seems too nice of a guy. He doesn't need to have an attitude like Shehzad but in Pakistan team it wouldn't hurt to be just a little bit cocky

Yes the best that we have who averages 29 after close to 40 ODIs.
Highly overrated for the ODI team. Far better batsmen going around.

 

[loifan]

He's more composed in Tests but not in ODIs. Go watch some videos of his dismissals in ODIs. Absolutely idiotic shots. Asad with his consistency averages 10 less than the inconsistent Umar.

why talk about averages? I dont understand.. He has not even played 50 matches yet. No point in talking about average unless you have played good enough matches.

Umar has played over 50 matches. I am not saying him being dropped over Malik or Amin is right or not. but they have given good enough number of chances to him. He was overall not consistent. He started both Test and ODI career with centuries but since then it has been down hill for him.

As far as my comment about Asad beign composed. Yes I watched both ODI and test innings of his to come up with that conclusion. if someone could play a composed innings in Test, should be able to do the same in ODI as well, especailly for a team like Pakistan which mainly needs stability in the top. 250 is a winning total more often than not for them. Its not a bad option to have him as one of the top six.

 

[Bullet Drive]

Its true and he is mediocre. Haris Sohail deserves a chance over him.

Cannot believe we have A.Shafiq over U.Akmal.

Its all down to Misbah.

 

[Cricket_MN]

Yes the best that we have who averages 29 after close to 40 ODIs.
Highly overrated for the ODI team. Far better batsmen going around.

Lets give him consistent run like we have given to useless players like Shoaib Malik, Kamran Akmal and then come and talk.

Right now the poor guy is being used as a Qurbani ka bakra, keep getting dropped whenever the team performs badly.

 

[Mamoon]

The title of this thread is so misleading and ironic.

Misbah gives him absolutely no margin of error. One low score after a 50 and he's dropped for 3 games.

 

[Mamoon]

You have serious problem not only with comprehension, but reading at the stats.

Mohammad Yousuf was averaging 40 around 40 one days. Inzi was averaging 37 around same one day game, Nasir Jamshed is averaging 40 with 3 centuries and 7 fifties, which is almost on par with the legends of Pakistan cricket.

My statement was based on those stats and my personal observation. I hate to say, but so far my predictions, if not 100% true but close to 90% accurate.

I would be happy to see Asad Shafiq prove me wrong, but I don't see any substance like Inzi, Yousuf or Miandad, but Nasir Jamshed is the one who could be our next legend.

Okay so so far he is matching them and that is conclusive enough for you to make outlandish statements that he's well on his way to becoming a legend and our best batsman ever?

Isn't that over hyping? How can you blame others for doing what you do yourself so extravagantly?

 

[Bullet Drive]

Have seen Shafiq 'brainfart' so many times but no-one remembers it because his last name isn't Akmal. It seems only Umar's poor shots get remembered.

 

[zaid65]

Okay so so far he is matching them and that is conclusive enough for you to make outlandish statements that he's well on his way to becoming a legend and our best batsman ever?

Isn't that over hyping? How can you blame others for doing what you do yourself so extravagantly?

If the player already matching or in some cases better stats that the legends, how come is considered hyping the player?

I proved you wrong in all instances ( poor comprehension, making false allegations with my statement, with stats), what else do you want, isn't that enough for you to believe that Nasir has everything what a legend player should have?

Above all, he was our 2nd best batsman in the tough English conditions in the CT, do you need more proof? In the meantime, your favorite Asad Shafiq has nothing to prove except your lame and empty statements that he is good player. You are proving to be next BZ on this forum, trying to hype a player who has done just mediocre in 41 matches.

 

[LooneyReturns]

Hasn't been given the Golden Treatment.

Gets Dropped after failing in 1 ODI Match.

Just like he was dropped in South Africa and in the recent Champions Trophy.

This

 

[PB]

If the player already matching or in some cases better stats that the legends, how come is considered hyping the player?

I proved you wrong in all instances ( poor comprehension, making false allegations with my statement, with stats), what else do you want, isn't that enough for you to believe that Nasir has everything what a legend player should have?

Above all, he was our 2nd best batsman in the tough English conditions in the CT, do you need more proof? In the meantime, your favorite Asad Shafiq has nothing to prove except your lame and empty statements that he is good player. You are proving to be next BZ on this forum, trying to hype a player who has done just mediocre in 41 matches.

But but but, He needs to play at number 3 where he will average 100.

 

[zaid65]

But but but, He needs to play at number 3 where he will average 100.

Oh yes, my bad, I totally ignored this important technical point

 

[zaid65]

Asad Shafiq : 41 matches 0 century average 29 strike rate 70

Nasir Jamshed: 31 matches 3 centuries average 40 strike rate 80

Legend

 

[Bullet Drive]

Asad Shafiq : 41 matches 0 century average 29 strike rate 70

Nasir Jamshed: 31 matches 3 centuries average 40 strike rate 80

Legend

Remember to add in that Shafiq's best performances in ODI cricket have come against the mighty Zimbabwe & Ireland.

80 odd against Ireland
78* vs Zimbabwe.

Compare that to Jamshed who has three tons vs India
97 vs Australia

 

[zaid65]

Remember to add in that Shafiq's best performances in ODI cricket have come against the mighty Zimbabwe & Ireland.

80 odd against Ireland
78* vs Zimbabwe.

Compare that to Jamshed who has three tons vs India
97 vs Australia

Thanks for putting some more interesting stats on Shafiq's fans face

 

[Usman]

It's all well and good saying Shafiq should be dropped, but who should replace him? The reality is that unlike for example English selectors who find talent all the time (granted it's at least 50-70% foreign), Iqbal Qasim has not selected a single cricketer who we do not already know about and the reality is, the ones we know about are not the solution, or at least not the complete solution.

Harris Sohail has never scored a domestic century in limited overs cricket. As fantastic as his FC record may be, I would want to select someone in odis who regularly hits tons in domestic cricket. Aod Harris Sohail in his wildest dreams fulfill the role of an AB Devillers or Hashim Amla? Unlikely.

Fawad Alam is very good, but in an age where sometimes you need to strike at more than 75, is he capable of hitting those boundaries? No is the answer.

Umer Akmal has his own flaws but given the lack of options, his name on the team sheet as a batsman should be second only to Misbah.

If only we had competent sectors, we wouldn't be in this mess.

 

[zaid65]

It's all well and good saying Shafiq should be dropped, but who should replace him? The reality is that unlike for example English selectors who find talent all the time (granted it's at least 50-70% foreign), Iqbal Qasim has not selected a single cricketer who we do not already know about and the reality is, the ones we know about are not the solution, or at least not the complete solution.

Harris Sohail has never scored a domestic century in limited overs cricket. As fantastic as his FC record may be, I would want to select someone in odis who regularly hits tons in domestic cricket. Aod Harris Sohail in his wildest dreams fulfill the role of an AB Devillers or Hashim Amla? Unlikely.

Fawad Alam is very good, but in an age where sometimes you need to strike at more than 75, is he capable of hitting those boundaries? No is the answer.

Umer Akmal has his own flaws but given the lack of options, his name on the team sheet as a batsman should be second only to Misbah.

If only we had competent sectors, we wouldn't be in this mess.

For the same explanation, we have tolerated Shoiab Malik, Imran Farhat, Kamran Akmal and Afridi that long, welcome to the club of another medicore player .

 

[HaMmy FinE LeG StriKeR]

In the land of the blind men the one-eyed man is king.

In the land of batting pygmies a 4ft tall midget A Sad excuseforaplayer Shafiq who averages 28 is a 'giant'

dude is there any thing personal with you with shafiq

we should write maturely othr wise what sort of impression you are making about your own self among so many intelligent people here?

 

[HaMmy FinE LeG StriKeR]

Asad Shafiq : 41 matches 0 century average 29 strike rate 70

Nasir Jamshed: 31 matches 3 centuries average 40 strike rate 80

Legend

what a classic innings jamshed played in champions trophy, i wonder why even our batting collapsed?

by the way how many centuries musbah has scored till now?

 

[Usman]

For the same explanation, we have tolerated Shoiab Malik, Imran Farhat, Kamran Akmal and Afridi that long, welcome to the club of another medicore player .

Well the solution is to replace mediocre players with non mediocre ones. So give guys like Shoaib Maqsood and Khurram Manzoor a chance - reward consistency in domestic cricket. Give Mohammed Rizwan a chance. Find genuine finishers - note a finisher doesn't necessarily have great looking stats because they are in for a short while and slogging - so selectors have to do what over the years has appeared to them to be the most difficult job - watch domestic cricket!

There's no point selecting players for limited overs cricket just because they have an excellent FC record and therefore must be a good batsmen. You need horses for courses so pick players who have natural ability to hit boundaries (something e.g. Fawad can't do and Asad generally struggles with).

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

People here who say that shafiq doesn't brain fart haven't been watching the Shafiq I have. He does it as much as umar akmal

 

[zaid65]

Well the solution is to replace mediocre players with non mediocre ones. So give guys like Shoaib Maqsood and Khurram Manzoor a chance - reward consistency in domestic cricket. Give Mohammed Rizwan a chance. Find genuine finishers - note a finisher doesn't necessarily have great looking stats because they are in for a short while and slogging - so selectors have to do what over the years has appeared to them to be the most difficult job - watch domestic cricket!

There's no point selecting players for limited overs cricket just because they have an excellent FC record and therefore must be a good batsmen. You need horses for courses so pick players who have natural ability to hit boundaries (something e.g. Fawad can't do and Asad generally struggles with).

That's exactly is my point.

I dont mind trying the new players but the deserving one. Playing tried and tested failures, instead of taking forward, taking us backward.

 

[Madplayer]

Harris Sohail has never scored a domestic century in limited overs cricket. As fantastic as his FC record may be, I would want to select someone in odis who regularly hits tons in domestic cricket. Aod Harris Sohail in his wildest dreams fulfill the role of an AB Devillers or Hashim Amla? Unlikely.

Haris averages 40.5 in List A at a strike rate of 89. That average doesnt suggest how good he is because he has just played 20 List A games and he has raised his game in last few matches. Initially he was just trying to find his feet. U would find that he averages close to 80 in last 5 games. He doesnt have a century but has a 99. Not to mention he averages 73 in t20s.

Can he match AB or Amla? Only time will tell.

 

[PB]

Take the List A averages with a grain of salt, even Hasan Raza averaged 50 in it a while back, he did so pathetic that it dropped to 39.

 

[ahmed778]

There are such Double Standards by the Pakistani posters here.

When we talk about say a youngster like Shehzad, no stats are brought up and everyone here on PP is calling for his inclusion in the team.

When we talk about say a youngster like Shafiq who has bad stats, but his stats are still better then Shehzad, only stats are brought up.


The truth is that the general Pakistani fan judges a player on his ability to hit "BIG SIXES" temperament and skill is something that most of us do not consider.

We will bash the one we don' like, we will praise the one we like, we will bash the one who is the competition for the one we like.

We are indeed the reason why hacks like Afridi and Nazir have made it into the Pakistan team so many times.

And Pakistan is the only country where a player is judged on his ability to hit the ball long and hard, thus it is not surprising that people rate Afridi better than Misbah.

It is a grim reality, we do not like players who like to take singles and build an innings we like sloggers that start slogging from ball one.

Because in the end the only reason that we Pakistanis watch cricket is too see our Fast Bowlers bowl fast, and our Batsmen hit Sixes.

No wonder Pakistan cricket is being destroyed, if people do not get over their obsession of their favorite players our cricket will never progress.

 

[JibranAnsari]

^ the sad and grim reality is that we have no balanced player in the side , asad shafiq (though I like him) is not an all format cricketer by any means. He takes singles , yes but there are too many dots really to make his singles count. Singles are good when you can frequently take them. But Asad Shafiq deserves his place in the ODI side only because of the sheer lack of batting talent in pakistan. I am sure he would not make in any other top ODI team.

 

[King Amla 311*]

^ the sad and grim reality is that we have no balanced player in the side , asad shafiq (though I like him) is not an all format cricketer by any means. He takes singles , yes but there are too many dots really to make his singles count. Singles are good when you can frequently take them. But Asad Shafiq deserves his place in the ODI side only because of the sheer lack of batting talent in pakistan. I am sure he would not make in any other top ODI team.

Wrong....Most teams would utilise him and Umar Akmal properly
I was having a discussion with my friends before the pak vs saf series earlier in the year and we said younis and asad will be the main 2 threats in the Tests and we were right! We thought he'd play all 5 of the odi's later but got dropped after 1

i reckon thats not good by the management of pakistan dropping players after 1 bad performance and recalling them after a while i mean it puts their confidence on a low

 

[JibranAnsari]

Wrong....Most teams would utilise him and Umar Akmal properly
I was having a discussion with my friends before the pak vs saf series earlier in the year and we said younis and asad will be the main 2 threats in the Tests and we were right! We thought he'd play all 5 of the odi's later but got dropped after 1

i reckon thats not good by the management of pakistan dropping players after 1 bad performance and recalling them after a while i mean it puts their confidence on a low

Most top teams have better ODI batmen than ours , From our side Misbah is probably the only one who can make in top teams.

India NO
AUS NO
SAF NO
ENG NO
SL NO
WI MAY BE
NZ MAY BE

Asad Shafiq is a limited player against pace when it comes to scoring , though he can defend all day long. But I am hoping that he will improve as he gets some confidence going.

 

[shah_1]

How many more chances for Asad Shafiq to prove his credentials in ODI?

We always say youngster should be given a fair chance before being a critic of his performances. But this guy has played 41 ODIs , which for me is called proper chance but still his record fail to live up to his hype.



How many more chances for him? or do other youngsters deserve a chance ahead of him.

 

[TheMaster]

Re: How many more chances for Asad Shafiq to prove his credentials in ODI?

Rubbish odi player, can't take singles to save his life. Shouldn't be in odi plans this misbah 2.0

 

[GreenKnightRises]

There is no hype for him.. but he somehow gets chances after chances... and hasn't proved anything till now.. .. .He is still weak against short pitched balls..40 games is more than enough to prove one's capability... He needs to step aside from ODI's for time being and give chances to deserving youngsters like Chota Akmal, Amin, Harris Sohail, Maqsood etc...

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

If he doesn't get a 50 this series than that's it for him. He is fortunate that he is a misbah boy and an afridi (karachi) boy at the same time so he will always get support.

I say any new player should get 10 games.

People who say 30 odd games in a row are mad. That's almost 2 years worth of games. 10 should be the max.

 

[akamaka]

^the above. 10 games in a row are more than enough to prove you have the skills. Shafiq has played against every team in every competition / meaningless ODI series yet only has a couple of 50s with a highest against ireland. To go along with that his SR is too low.

 

[Kianig89]

I believe we should still give him some time...........

 

[W63L35]

We always say youngster should be given a fair chance before being a critic of his performances. But this guy has played 41 ODIs , which for me is called proper chance but still his record fail to live up to his hype.

How many more chances for him? or do other youngsters deserve a chance ahead of him.

...and he was also properly dropped each time he got those proper chances....and properly scoring those 50s over 50s!!! Correct?

Those 50s must have been very improper! What do you say ...shah jee?

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  26   5 run out   2 L 6th ODI      v NZ  in NZ  2010/11 at Auckland [3097]
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  46   3 caught    2 W World Cup 40 v Aus in SL  2010/11 at Colombo (RPS) (d/n) [3139]
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  30   3 bowled    2 L World Cup SF v Ind in Ind 2010/11 at Mohali (d/n) [3147]
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  23   3 run out   2 W 2nd ODI      v WI  in WI  2011    at Gros Islet [3153]
   0   3 caught    2 W 3rd ODI      v WI  in WI  2011    at Bridgetown [3154]
  [B][COLOR="blue"]71   3 caught    1 L 4th ODI      v WI  in WI  2011    at Bridgetown [3155][/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR="blue"] DNP  [/COLOR][/B]             - L 5th ODI      v WI  in WI  2011    at Providence [3156]
   4   3 caught wk 2 W 1st ODI      v Ire in Ire 2011    at Belfast [3157]
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  [B][COLOR="blue"]51   3 stumped   1 W 3rd ODI      v Zim in Zim 2011    at Harare [3194][/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR="blue"] DNP [/COLOR][/B]              - W 1st ODI      v SL  in UAE 2011/12 at Dubai (DSC) [3212]
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  26   2 lbw       2 W 5th ODI      v SL  in UAE 2011/12 at Abu Dhabi (d/n) [3216]
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   7   2 bowled    1 W 3rd ODI      v BD  in BD  2011/12 at Chittagong (d/n) [3222]
  20   3 lbw       2 W Only ODI     v     in UAE 2011/12 at Sharjah (d/n) [3236]
   0   3 lbw       2 L 1st ODI      v Eng in UAE 2011/12 at Abu Dhabi (d/n) [3238]
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  18   4 run out   1 L 3rd ODI      v Eng in UAE 2011/12 at Dubai (DSC) (d/n) [3243]
[B][COLOR="blue"]  65   3 bowled    1 L 4th ODI      v Eng in UAE 2011/12 at Dubai (DSC) (d/n) [3247][/COLOR][/B]
   4   5 caught    1 W Asia Cup   1 v BD  in BD  2011/12 at Dhaka (d/n) [3258]
[B][COLOR="blue"] DNP [/COLOR][/B]              - W Asia Cup   3 v SL  in BD  2011/12 at Dhaka [3260]
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   5*  3 not out   1 N 3rd ODI      v SL  in SL  2012    at Colombo (RPS) (d/n) [3274]
  25   3 lbw       2 L 4th ODI      v SL  in SL  2012    at Colombo (RPS) (d/n) [3275]
  38   4 run out   1 L 5th ODI      v SL  in SL  2012    at Colombo (RPS) (d/n) [3277]
[B][COLOR="blue"]  56   4 bowled    1 L 1st ODI      v Aus in UAE 2012    at Sharjah (d/n) [3299][/COLOR][/B]
   9   4 bowled    2 W 2nd ODI      v Aus in UAE 2012    at Abu Dhabi (d/n) [3301]
  27   4 caught    1 L 3rd ODI      v Aus in UAE 2012    at Sharjah (d/n) [3303]
[B][COLOR="blue"] DNP [/COLOR][/B]              - W 1st ODI      v Ind in Ind 2012/13 at Chennai [3314]
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   9   4 bowled    1 W 1st ODI      v Sco in Sco 2013    at Edinburgh [3356]
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   4   4 caught    2 W 2nd ODI      v Ire in Ire 2013    at Dublin [3358]
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[B][COLOR="blue"] DNP[/COLOR][/B]               - L ICC CT     5 v SA  in Eng 2013    at Birmingham [3367]
  41   4 caught wk 1 L ICC CT    10 v Ind in Eng 2013    at Birmingham [3372]

 

[sam_ahm]

well we can agree that he was probably wrongly dropped on one or two occasions but I'm sure that was also for Younus Khan and Azhar Ali, anyways not hi fault.

largely the above stats just show that he has far too many failures to go with one or two good innings here and there and those too have been mostly against some of the lesser effective teams. Not a very good ODI player in my view, but still a better option than YK, Farhat or Afridi.

Also stats alone don't matter, there may have been a few innings where he scored well but has done it at an awfully slow rate, looking at Asad, let us say for example you're looking at chasing 300 or scoring a 6 RPO, he is just not the guy to do it, never looks like doing it. never comes across as a good ODI player, however, I would say a good test player, he and Azhar Ali will carry Pakistan test team to much success.

 

[Excellence]

May be full WI series.

 

[Justcrazy]

To be honest ideally he should not be in shorter formats.

Pakistan need to give more dynamic batters chance in middle order.

 

[W63L35]

well we can agree that he was probably wrongly dropped on one or two occasions but I'm sure that was also for Younus Khan and Azhar Ali, anyways not hi fault.
.

I highlighted .... six occasions above.


...and yes, I agree he has been awafully slow.... but so is EVERYBODY in our team.... plus.... when you know, you will be dropped after 1-2 failures.... you tend to bat with more caution ... and tend to get slow because you want to stay at the wicket and score runs.... which he did.

 

[ahmed778]

Give him the entire WI tour.
If he does not average above 40 with a decent S/R then drop him.

 

[lestaboy]

He should never play odi .. should comcentrate on test which suits his game he and azhar ali dosen't seems to have release shot both same type of player either hit boundry or block . as they say cant take single to save there lives

 

[razabbas]

He is only a test player

 

[Mamoon]

How many more chances for Asad Shafiq to prove his credentials in ODI?

Give 10 matches at number 3. If he doesn't sustain or better his average of around 40 at that number, drop him.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Give 10 matches at number 3. If he doesn't sustain or better his average of around 40 at that number, drop him.

I agree with this but ill add a strike rate of 75 minimum. Under the new rules anything less is poor

 

[the_google]

I can't believe he has played 40 ODI's considering he is always in and out of the team. If he still gets selected then give him the whole of the WI tour and bat him wherever HE wants to bat. If he fails, then get rid.

 

[alberto]

He is too limited in his stroke play to do any damage in ODI'S

 

[PB]

Even in his 41 innings he never looked that good or solid.
He doesn't attack, he's a 70-75 strike rate player who only averages 29.

I'd rather have Azhar Ali who'd average much more.

But I hope he gets chances in all 5 games at number 3 to prove himself.

 

[srh]

Asad Shafiq's ODI career is too scattered to analyze it properly.

* In the team for 10 games.
* Out of team for 1 game.
* In the team for 1 game.
* Out of team for 4 games.
* In the team for 1 game.
* Out of team for 4 games.
* In the team for 2 games.
* Out of team for 1 game.
* In the team for 5 games.
* Out of team for 1 game.
* In the team for 1 game.
* Out of team for 3 games.
* In the team for 1 game.
* Out of team for 4 games.
* In the team for 1 game.
* Out of team for 2 games.
* In the team for 3 games.
* Out of team for 1 game.
* In the team for 3 games.
* Out of team for 5 games.
* In the team for 6 games.
* Out of team for 3 games.
* In the team for 1 game.
* Out of team for 4 games.
* In the team for 4 games.
* Out of team for 1 game.
* In the team for 1 game.

This is not how Pakistan should play a youngster. Asad played 10 innings continuously at the start of his ODI career; at that time Pakistan should have decided if Asad was good enough for ODIs; if he was then play him continuously to allow him to cement his position; if he was not then drop him and select another youngster. Instead Pakistan made a habit of selecting and dropping him whenever they want. This approach is wrong.

 

[Bullet Drive]

Afridi is the best man to manage youngsters.

 

[srh]

Afridi is the best man to manage youngsters.

Don't forget YK. In his captaincy youngsters usually play their natural game and flourish.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Asad Shafiq's ODI career is too scattered to analyze it properly.

* In the team for 10 games.
* Out of team for 1 game.
* In the team for 1 game.
* Out of team for 4 games.
* In the team for 1 game.
* Out of team for 4 games.
* In the team for 2 games.
* Out of team for 1 game.
* In the team for 5 games.
* Out of team for 1 game.
* In the team for 1 game.
* Out of team for 3 games.
* In the team for 1 game.
* Out of team for 4 games.
* In the team for 1 game.
* Out of team for 2 games.
* In the team for 3 games.
* Out of team for 1 game.
* In the team for 3 games.
* Out of team for 5 games.
* In the team for 6 games.
* Out of team for 3 games.
* In the team for 1 game.
* Out of team for 4 games.
* In the team for 4 games.
* Out of team for 1 game.
* In the team for 1 game.

This is not how Pakistan should play a youngster. Asad played 10 innings continuously at the start of his ODI career; at that time Pakistan should have decided if Asad was good enough for ODIs; if he was then play him continuously to allow him to cement his position; if he was not then drop him and select another youngster. Instead Pakistan made a habit of selecting and dropping him whenever they want. This approach is wrong.

Merry go round.

 

[AZ]

assuming SRH's info is correct - which I am sure it must be - Shafiq has had a run of:

10 games
5 games
3 games
3 games
6 games
4 games

is that really not substantial enough to be considered consistent chances?

 

[ads101]

He's been given enough chances.

You can see his no. of strokes in LOI are limited, he lacks shots especially big ones to the boundary. He struggles to rotate strike and pick up the singles. And hence he struggles to score at a quick pace. 29 after 40 games, SR 70 is poor.

He needs to go back to domestic and apply himself and improve himself as a limited overs player. In tests, he's great. In fact arguably he should be only focusing on tests now anyway.

No point of having a slow player if he's not even going to get big scores consistently. Azhar and Fawad have shown they can do better than him.

 

[PB]

assuming SRH's info is correct - which I am sure it must be - Shafiq has had a run of:

10 games
5 games
3 games
3 games
6 games
4 games

is that really not substantial enough to be considered consistent chances?

He's been given enough chances.

You can see his no. of strokes in LOI are limited, he lacks shots especially big ones to the boundary. He struggles to rotate strike and pick up the singles. And hence he struggles to score at a quick pace. 29 after 40 games, SR 70 is poor.

He needs to go back to domestic and apply himself and improve himself as a limited overs player. In tests, he's great. In fact arguably he should be only focusing on tests now anyway.

No point of having a slow player if he's not even going to get big scores consistently. Azhar and Fawad have shown they can do better than him.

But but, He's been dropped so many times, he needs another 40 games to prove his worth

 

[alberto]

Azhar Ali is our equivalent of Trott in ODI'S!

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Azhar Ali is our equivalent of Trott in ODI'S!

trott has a strike rate of 76 . Azhar ali has one 10 lower

 

[ahmed778]

Azhar Ali is our equivalent of Trott in ODI'S!

Yes a very good player, too bad he can not find a place in the side.

 

[alberto]

Azhar Ali can play the anchor role perfectly as he has Test pedigree and will negotiate the swinging ball!