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I thought a shaheed is one who dies for his/her faith. BB was far from religious and did not die for her faith or country.
 
Ridiculous to call a women shaheed who died for her greed and lust for power and corrupt money. In Pakistan word Shaheed is a joke, most of the time. We have ZAB shaheed, and for some Zia-ul-Haq was a Shaeed. Most of the time , the term is used to gain some political advantage and nothing else.
 
The media plays a big part in the perception of political people in India and Pakistan. From what I know she was a dirty, rotten, corrupt human being. But her death made her a shaheed in the eyes of the media in Pakistan. I remember having a chat with a Pakistani online after her demise, and he was all about how toxic she was for Pakistan. It's much like how Indira Gandhi has been portrayed in India after she was assassinated, when she was actually a dirty, rotten, scroundel in real life.
 
I believe any Muslim that was killed is deemed a martyr, especially if they were on the way to do something noble. We have no way to judge what she was doing in the car, she could've been reciting a dua, praying or even mention God's name once and that's enough be a shaheed.
 
Hitman said:
The media plays a big part in the perception of political people in India and Pakistan. From what I know she was a dirty, rotten, corrupt human being. But her death made her a shaheed in the eyes of the media in Pakistan. I remember having a chat with a Pakistani online after her demise, and he was all about how toxic she was for Pakistan. It's much like how Indira Gandhi has been portrayed in India after she was assassinated, when she was actually a dirty, rotten, scroundel in real life.
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Very well put.
 
Interestingly BB's father Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was hanged by Zia ul Haq for murder and he is also sometimes called a shaheed.
This is demeaning and insulting the legacies of the 11 recipients of the Nishan-e-Haider who are the true shaheeds, people "showing feats of extraordinary courage in confronting the enemy. As a matter of practice and precedent, it has only been awarded where it has been established that the recipient acted despite high risks and was killed in the act."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nishan-e-Haider
 
Shah said:
Interestingly BB's father Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was hanged by Zia ul Haq for murder and he is also sometimes called a shaheed.
This is demeaning and insulting the legacies of the 11 recipients of the Nishan-e-Haider who are the true shaheeds, people "showing feats of extraordinary courage in confronting the enemy. As a matter of practice and precedent, it has only been awarded where it has been established that the recipient acted despite high risks and was killed in the act."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nishan-e-Haider
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Sometimes? There's literally a university named after him called SZABIST. PPP is very religious when it comes to the "shahadat" of the Bhutto clan members.
 
She was called a shaheed in order to appeal to the public of Pakistan. She was glamorous but she seemed out of touch with the common man in Pakistan and so never really connected at home to the same extent she did abroad.
 
She’s dead now. Even if she doesn’t serve to be called shaheed what’s such a big issue thag you can’t spare a dead woman
 
Shaddy86 said:
The issue of the misuse of a noble title.
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Well we have terrorists called that too. Didn’t hear a peep from you about that. Jamaat Islamic head l also called Osama bin laden that
 
What does Islam say about backbiting and spreading rumours? But it didn't stop some muslims from spreading rumours that "biwiyan qatl hoti hain Benazir ki tarah"
 
Being a martyr has a very broad definition in Islam, you could be a terrible person but if you died while volunteering helping the homeless or if you died on the way walking to the mosque to pray then you're considered a shaheed in Islam. Moreover, many rulings also state that if you were burnt to death such as in a plane crash or fire then you would also be considered a shaheed.
 
Shaheed means martyr. She was a shaheed for her country. She came back to contest elections, which she would have won, and she was assassinated.

She was the first Muslim women to be Prime Minister. She along with Fatima Jinnah, and Razia Sultana should be seen as role models for Pakistani women.
 
There were/are no shaheeds in Pakistani politics except maybe Liaqat Ali Khan. But that’s my opinion. The ultimate judge is the One upstairs for whom we claim these people died. He is the One to decide. Our labels are meaningless..
 
If any popular person gets assassinated, no matter how corrupt they are, they get the Shaheed tag forever.
 
Former prime minister and Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) chairperson Benazir Bhutto’s monument will be constructed at Liaquat Bagh before December this year.

Ms Bhutto was assassinated at Liaquat Bagh on December 27, 2007, in a gun and bomb attack when she was leaving after addressing a public meeting there.

In the last 15 years, PPP workers and leaders have been making announcements to construct the monument at the site.

Though the PPP is a collation partner in the province and at the Centre, the project is the brainchild of Commissioner Rawalpindi Division Noorul Amin Mengal and the Rawalpindi Municipal Corporation (RMC) will bear its cost to pay tributes to the services of the first prime minister of the Muslim world.

RMC to allocate funds for project in its budget, says commissioner

“We started the work to construct the monument of Shaheed Benazir Bhutto at Liaquat Bagh and in this regard have engaged four private consultants and National College of Arts (NCA) students to submit the design and plan after Eidul Azha,” said the commissioner while talking to Dawn.

The commissioner said the private firms engaged in building monuments in Lahore and other parts of the country will submit their proposals. He said that he had sought suggestions from NCA students.

“We would acquire land from the Water and Sanitation Agency (Wasa) and the Parks and Horticulture Authority (PHA) to construct the monument.” He said the basic structure would be constructed on Liaquat Road and a small structure would be built at Murree Road.

He said that the basic aim of the monument was to send a message to small provinces that we were united and accepted all national heroes and paid respect to them.

Talking about finances for the project, the commissioner, who is the administrator of Rawalpindi, said the RMC would bear the cost of the project. In this regard, RMC would allocate funds in its budget for the fiscal year 2022-23.

“It is our plan to complete the project before December 27 so that it would be inaugurated on the anniversary of Ms Bhutto. The project will have reflection of four provinces and Azad Jammu and Kashmir’s cultures as Benazir Bhutto was known as a symbol of unity of all units of the federation,” he said.

He said that the condition of Liaquat Bagh would also be improved in coming days and in this regard the Parks and Horticulture Authority had been asked to make the plan.

It may be mentioned that in the last tenure of PPP and PML-N, PPP leaders, including former prime minister Yousaf Raza Gilani, former Sindh chief minister Qaim Ali Shah, had announced that a library and a monument would be built at the site to pay tributes to Ms Bhutto.

Published in Dawn, July 3rd, 2022
 
To me a Shaheed is someone dies in the name of Allah and jurstice. She fought for a family business against another set of crooks just as crooked as her family. So simple answer is no.
 
No surprise that this thread is filled with overseas pakistanis question the title of my country's leaders.....

Her father died in the struggle for pakistan and she also died for pakistan. She came to the country knowing that she will be killed yet she took her chances for the country. Unlike overseas, sitting here and judging her.

If you guys want to go all analytic on shaheeds, than even army men of pakistan wont be considered as shaheeds. The taliban that died in war with pak army call them selves shaheed while pak army men who died also call them shaheed.

Rashid minhas is considered a shaheed while in bangladesh the other pilot is also considered a shaheed for them.

Maybe a better thread title could had been what warrants a shaheed instead of going after a specific person due to political reasons
 
Major said:
No surprise that this thread is filled with overseas pakistanis question the title of my country's leaders.....

Her father died in the struggle for pakistan and she also died for pakistan. She came to the country knowing that she will be killed yet she took her chances for the country. Unlike overseas, sitting here and judging her.

If you guys want to go all analytic on shaheeds, than even army men of pakistan wont be considered as shaheeds. The taliban that died in war with pak army call them selves shaheed while pak army men who died also call them shaheed.

Rashid minhas is considered a shaheed while in bangladesh the other pilot is also considered a shaheed for them.

Maybe a better thread title could had been what warrants a shaheed instead of going after a specific person due to political reasons
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She died for a family business. Her fathers killers are in business with them today. Save the fake rona dona for your fellow fascists.
 
Bewal Express said:
She died for a family business. Her fathers killers are in business with them today. Save the fake rona dona for your fellow fascists.
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She died for her country. Who unlike you came from exile but was killed.
 
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Major said:
She died for her country. Who unlike you came from exile but was killed.
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No she didn't. She died for her family business and the people that killed her and her father are your business partners. Stop this nonsense about giving religious labels to business people
 
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Major said:
She died for her country. Who unlike you came from exile but was killed.
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Stop baffling nonsense. She was killed by within of her own Party who are still ruling you and the rest of corrupt clan.
 
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I think it is justified to call her Shaheed; she became victim of terrorist attack and her killers had murdered many innocent Pakistanis who we all call shaheed so same applies to Benazir Bhutto.
 
There are different types of shaheed in Islam.

“The one who drowns is a shaheed, the one who dies of a stomach disease is a shaheed, the one who is burnt to death is a shaheed, the one who dies of the plague is a shaheed, the woman who dies giving birth is a shaheed, and the one who is crushed by a collapsing building is a shaheed.”

"Whoever fights to protect his wealth and is killed, he is a martyr. Whoever fights to protect himself, he is a martyr. Whoever fights to protect his family is a martyr."

"Whoever is killed in the cause of Allah is a martyr; whoever dies in the cause of Allah is a martyr; whoever dies of a stomach disease is a martyr; and whoever dies of the plague is a martyr.”

These are in the hadiths.

So, not sure if Benazir Bhutto can be considered as a shaheed.
 
Waseem said:
I think it is justified to call her Shaheed; she became victim of terrorist attack and her killers had murdered many innocent Pakistanis who we all call shaheed so same applies to Benazir Bhutto.
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If AZ was to be blown up,would he also become a Shaheed?
If she was an ordinary citizen then yes, but she wanted power, and the reason was to make her family richer. The PPP have been in power in Sindh for decades and her family looted and destroyed every institution in Sindh. So for me, No
 
Bewal Express said:
To me a Shaheed is someone dies in the name of Allah and jurstice. She fought for a family business against another set of crooks just as crooked as her family. So simple answer is no.
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This. No amount of trolling by thief lovers will change this simple fact.
 
Browncaps said:
This. No amount of trolling by thief lovers will change this simple fact.
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These fascists have no answer, they are too scared to debate. [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] today all the mafia are in govt but BB fought for her mafia against the Sharif Mafia, they are all allies but the same allies today abused her for 2 decades. So tell me , what words can I use other than beghairati of Billo and daddy?
 
Those gangster Nooras ran over and a killed a 9 year old boy. They did not even have the decency to stop and later proclaimed the dead boy a shaheed. A shaheed for democracy.

If anyone has been a shaheed in the recent past in Pakistan, it is undoubtedly Aitzaz Hasan - who saved countless lives. A boy, about whom his father said "My son made his mother cry but saved hundreds of mothers from crying for their children."
 
BB was a curse like NS is on Pakistan. She and Nawaz turned their families into dynastic masters of Pakistan and started the tradition of fighting each other to see who steals and loots Pakistan more.

She is only shaheed in the eyes of jiyalas who are khandani supporters of PPP.
 
Benazir can never be a shaheed and neither can non Muslim's. Only those who die for Allah and Islam are shaheed that there is no doubt about. Our media uses this holy term for everyone not realizing it's meaning or deliberately ignoring it. Once more non Muslim's can never be shaheed's. It is an Islamic term used for a very special group of believers.
 
Stewie said:
BB was a curse like NS is on Pakistan. She and Nawaz turned their families into dynastic masters of Pakistan and started the tradition of fighting each other to see who steals and loots Pakistan more.

She is only shaheed in the eyes of jiyalas who are khandani supporters of PPP.
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Coming to think of it, both parties were left in dust by the gang of Army Generals when it comes to looting Pakistan.
IMF loan dollars come in, and a large chunk is taken by these generals in the name of army budget.

I wonder if our top army men could be qualified as Shaheeds regardless of how they die?
These traitors and haram khores turned out to be a bigger curse than Nooras n PPP.
Everything happened under their watch.
 
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Those gangster Nooras ran over and a killed a 9 year old boy. They did not even have the decency to stop and later proclaimed the dead boy a shaheed. A shaheed for democracy.

If anyone has been a shaheed in the recent past in Pakistan, it is undoubtedly Aitzaz Hasan - who saved countless lives. A boy, about whom his father said "My son made his mother cry but saved hundreds of mothers from crying for their children."
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Remembering the brave young soul -

https://twitter.com/x/status/1665453961946464256
 
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16th death anniversary of Benazir Bhutto being observed today​


KARACHI (Dunya News) – The 16th death anniversary of former prime minister (PM) Benazir Bhutto is being observed with reverence all over the country today (Wednesday), Dunya News reported.

Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) has finalized arrangements for the main function in this regard at Garhi Khuda Bakhsh.

A big public meeting is scheduled to be held in Garhi Khuda Bakhsh for which a big stage has been prepared for top leadership of PPP while the venue has been decorated with party flags and posters of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto and Benazir Bhutto.

Chairman PPP Bilawal Bhutto Zardari, former President and co-chairman PPP Asif Ali Zardari, and other central leadership of PPP will address the public meeting.

Special security and traffic arrangement been made to organize the event. At least 8,000 police personnel, including women police, will be deployed to ensure the law and order on the occasion.

On the occasion, Bomb Disposal Squad, bomb detectors, scanning machines, jammers, watch towers, walk-through gates with police vehicles and mobile will be set up, to be monitored by the high officials of Sindh Police.

Darling of the crowd, Benazir Bhutto was born to a popular political family of Sindh on June 21, 1953 in Karachi’s Pinto Hospital. Benazir Bhutto was the daughter of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, who later founded PPP, and granddaughter of Sir Shahnawaz Bhutto. Her mother, Begum Nusrat Bhutto, was from Iranian-Kurdish descent and Benazir was the eldest among her four kids.

On December 27, 2007, Benazir went to Liaquat Bagh, Rawalpindi, to address a massive public meeting. Her face was glowing. She delivered a fiery speech. Just like her father used to do.

Returning, happy, from the venue, Benazir saw a group of supporters chanting slogans around her car. She stood up through the sun-roof of the car roof to waive her hand at the supporters. And just then, out of nowhere, a terrorist shot her in the head. An explosion was heard just then.

She was rushed to the hospital. And there, amid the sobbing and mourning supporters, Babar Awan informed the media that Benazir was dead.

Source: Dunya News
 
It is very likely that Pakistan would be a much better country now if she was not killed at that time.
 
Bewal Express said:
IK. After 18 months of torture and blackmail they haven't found a single thing. So desperate were your guys that have run some of the most stupid cases we have seen.
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Benazhir corruption can be single handedly blamed on her husband and his prior links with the and

Benazhir was a shaheed killed by tamil tigers/ttp because she didn't sit at home and chat to jihadists on Facebook all day
 
Most people who have an issue here with Benazir being called a Shaheed have no issues with IK calling Osama Bin Laden a Shaheed…

Let that sink in.
 
ghalib kichlu said:
Benazhir corruption can be single handedly blamed on her husband and his prior links with the and

Benazhir was a shaheed killed by tamil tigers/ttp because she didn't sit at home and chat to jihadists on Facebook all day
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No. Look up the Rockingham mansion and Condi Rice book, she was in on it
 
Because here in Pakistan "Shahadat" medals are very cheap to obtain, all you need is a slave mentality nation
 
She was not a corrupt women, yes her husband was and benefitted alot during her political career, but Benazir was a clean women and her corruption allegations were just allegations and never proven.

She was a shaheed. Simple as that.

In Pakistan, people think that fighting a war and than dieing is shaheed, a religious connotation has been attached to it. Shaheed is a martyr, and a martyr is someone who gets killed just for his beliefs.

Benazir was a martyr because she knew the risks of returning back to the country. She knew the risks of picking up a fight against the establishment. The millitary establishment did not want her back in the country, they were more than happy if she did her campaign from overseas.

When her march started, she was almost killed in Karachi. She knew the risks than and had the option to stop the rally in Karachi. But she did not. She had courage and for the betterment of the country she marched till Rawalpindi and risked her life for this country.

Posters here who love to drag Benazir's name here only and blame her for being corrupt should know that corruption is done by someone who is selfish. If Benazir was selfish, the first thing she would had done was seek revenge like Hasina Wajid did. But Benazir never stoop to such levels. She did not live or govern by selfish means.

She was a great women. Asma Jehangir and Benazir were the greatest women of Pakistan that did good for the country.

Its no surprises that PTI fans used to insult Asma Jehangir and some even today insult Benazir. But than again, PTI's leader is someone that considers Osama bin Laden a Shaheed so go figure.
 
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hassan918 said:
It is very likely that Pakistan would be a much better country now if she was not killed at that time.
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PTI being high on army influence never understood the concept that by giving too much power to the khakis, one day they could end up putting them out to dry. PTI was soo confident that they thought they would win another term through another army rigging and life would be good.

PTI further messed up by making enemies with the politicians in the parliament and sleeping with the generals. Thing is, when the generals decided to force PTI to do the fouji dance, PTI had no one from the parliament to help them because they had created huge differences with other parties. One of the reasons why Asad Qaiser had to cave in as speaker during the VONC was because he was reminded that when push will come to shove, it will be the parlimantarians that will be saving him as his own party wont be able to do nothing with the army going against them, and that is what exactly happened with Asad Qaiser.

PTI insulted Asma Jehangir, they celebrated her death, and they even insult Benazir to this day. But had these both women been alive, they would had been the ones stand up for PTI if they were being treated wrongly by the establishment.

PTI cant understand this. And trust me, if another general offers PTI a rigged win, they would again take up that offer and make enemies with parliamentarians.

Nawaz learned his lesson, these guys never will.
 
Major said:
She was not a corrupt women, yes her husband was and benefitted alot during her political career, but Benazir was a clean women and her corruption allegations were just allegations and never proven.

She was a shaheed. Simple as that.

In Pakistan, people think that fighting a war and than dieing is shaheed, a religious connotation has been attached to it. Shaheed is a martyr, and a martyr is someone who gets killed just for his beliefs.

Benazir was a martyr because she knew the risks of returning back to the country. She knew the risks of picking up a fight against the establishment. The millitary establishment did not want her back in the country, they were more than happy if she did her campaign from overseas.

When her march started, she was almost killed in Karachi. She knew the risks than and had the option to stop the rally in Karachi. But she did not. She had courage and for the betterment of the country she marched till Rawalpindi and risked her life for this country.

Posters here who love to drag Benazir's name here only and blame her for being corrupt should know that corruption is done by someone who is selfish. If Benazir was selfish, the first thing she would had done was seek revenge like Hasina Wajid did. But Benazir never stoop to such levels. She did not live or govern by selfish means.

She was a great women. Asma Jehangir and Benazir were the greatest women of Pakistan that did good for the country.

Its no surprises that PTI fans used to insult Asma Jehangir and some even today insult Benazir. But than again, PTI's leader is someone that considers Osama bin Laden a Shaheed so go figure.
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She denied she owned Rockingham Palace. Why was that? Why was she hiding its ownership and where did the money come from? IK has been held for 5 months and investigations started straight after he left office and they haven't found any evidence where he was corrupt. Nothing was or is hidden. Why is IK so honest compared to the BB and her even more husband.
 
Bilawal getting a few holidays and the promise of PMship hasn't worked out well for him. AZ told us that he is too thick to run a party but was OK to run our Foreign policy🤣🤣🤣
Major said:
PTI being high on army influence never understood the concept that by giving too much power to the khakis, one day they could end up putting them out to dry. PTI was soo confident that they thought they would win another term through another army rigging and life would be good.

PTI further messed up by making enemies with the politicians in the parliament and sleeping with the generals. Thing is, when the generals decided to force PTI to do the fouji dance, PTI had no one from the parliament to help them because they had created huge differences with other parties. One of the reasons why Asad Qaiser had to cave in as speaker during the VONC was because he was reminded that when push will come to shove, it will be the parlimantarians that will be saving him as his own party wont be able to do nothing with the army going against them, and that is what exactly happened with Asad Qaiser.

PTI insulted Asma Jehangir, they celebrated her death, and they even insult Benazir to this day. But had these both women been alive, they would had been the ones stand up for PTI if they were being treated wrongly by the establishment.

PTI cant understand this. And trust me, if another general offers PTI a rigged win, they would again take up that offer and make enemies with parliamentarians.

Nawaz learned his lesson, these guys never will.
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Well technically to be a 'shaheed' your past deeds don't come into it. So there is no point judging her status on the basis of alleged corruption.

There is a seperate and valid debate regarding what constitutes a martyr and if Benazif fulfils that criteria.

My personal opinion is no but its subjective as her supporters will say otherwise.

Allah will be the judge and we will leave it in his court.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Well technically to be a 'shaheed' your past deeds don't come into it. So there is no point judging her status on the basis of alleged corruption.

There is a seperate and valid debate regarding what constitutes a martyr and if Benazif fulfils that criteria.

My personal opinion is no but its subjective as her supporters will say otherwise.

Allah will be the judge and we will leave it in his court.
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Bro a person has died and any such discussion or debate is irrelevant.

A better topic of discussion could be what is a shaheed and what is not. Atleast such a topic wont have some other manifest behind it.
 
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Bewal Express said:
She denied she owned Rockingham Palace. Why was that? Why was she hiding its ownership and where did the money come from? IK has been held for 5 months and investigations started straight after he left office and they haven't found any evidence where he was corrupt. Nothing was or is hidden. Why is IK so honest compared to the BB and her even more husband.
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Let's just have good discussion

we all know you are big fan of Imran Khan
 
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Major said:
Bro a person has died and any such discussion or debate is irrelevant.

Its just that opponents take such opportunities to insult the dead by making such threads and while they try to show that they are having a serious discussion but behind it they are just doing their mud slinging or trying to attack the political opponent throw such ways.

A better topic of discussion could be what is a shaheed and what is not. Atleast such a topic wont have some other manifest behind it.
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I agree with you, but not 100%. In an ideal world, what you are saying is correct. However, the PPP has politicised her "shahadat". When you bring this type of thing into the political domain to try and capitalise and gain votes, opponents will want to discuss and dissect it.
 
Questions about assassination still unanswered, say Abbasis

Dr Safdar Abbasi, general secretary of Grand Democratic Alliance, and his spouse Ms Naheed Khan, former political secretary to Benazir Bhutto, have said that a host of questions about the PPP chairperson’s assassination remain unanswered and uninvestigated to this day.

Once the most popular political party of the country, Pakistan Peoples Party had now shrunk to only a few districts of Sindh and the party was fast losing its popularity by each passing day, said Dr Abbasi.

The couple was talking to reporters outside Bhuttos’ mausoleum in Garhi Khuda Bakhsh Bhutto village after laying wreaths on the graves of their leaders and offering dua on Thursday.

Dr Abbasi said that it was sad even after passage of 17 years they had no knowledge about the real killers of Benazir Bhutto, whose assassination had created a political vacuum in the country. At present, there was no leader in the country to give it a new direction, he said.

“We left it to the United Nation’s report on Benazir’s murder, which unveiled many things and was later converted into a fact-finding commission,” he said.

He accused PPP of showing slackness in investigation of the murder case and said Yousuf Raza Gilani took oath as prime minister on March 25, 2008, and later Asif Ali Zardari became president but they did nothing during the five-year rule. In all, PPP had ruled Sindh for 17 years but the party was still undecided about the Benazir Bhutto murder case, he said.

He said that even the letter she (Benazir Bhutto) had written to Gen Musharraf was yet to be probed. “In fact, we are still standing where we were. We must know what were the reasons behind her writing the letter,” he said.

Dr Abbasi, who remained political secretary to Benazir Bhutto, said that people would definitely ask PPP leadership about the reasons. PPP was once a big political party but it had now shrunk to only a few districts of Sindh and it was fast losing its popularity, he said.

Ms Khan, who also remained political secretary to Benazir Bhutto, said that her leader returned to Pakistan with firm resolve to serve people and it was she who fearlessly unfurled Pakistani flag over Swat when terrorists ruled the roost in the valley. People always looked at her as their last ray of hope, she said.

Benazir looked different and greatly matured on her return, she said, adding that Benazir Bhutto’s assassination was a black stain on history as a host of questions still remained unanswered and uninvestigated about it. However, history would not make any compromises and would certainly unmask faces of her real killers, she said.

DAWN NEWS
 
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