Why is it easier to get along well with liberal Indians rather than right wingers?

[The Bald Eagle]

So Hindus are going around setting Hindutva zones are they?

What do you think? Go ahead and answer

 

[rpant_gabba]

It has a price tag and advanced technology. That’s not condemnation.

no clue what you are trying to convey.

 

[Red-Indian]

My friend nobody settles for the second best, when they have a footprint to be the best. You could disagree, but Islam is more tolerant and moderate when it comes to dealing with minority and realizing the principle of co-existence. I hope we are not derailing this thread because that topic itself warrants a debate

If you believe that this is a thread derailing, I'll stop but I do find your argument strange.

You agree that secular, liberal democracies are better places to live in than every Islamic State in the world today (according to Wikipedia there are 50+ of them...so a wide choice) but still don't want Pakistan to be a secular, liberal democracy today in the hope that in some mythical day in the future, it'll become the Ideal Islamic State?

I'll never understand that thinking just as I can never really understand religious people so I'll leave it at that. It's not like Pakistan has any chance of becoming either of these even in the medium term so it's a purely theoretical discussion.

 

[Stewie]

This thread is effectively derailed.
The conversation is going in 4/5 pointless directions

 

[DeadlyVenom]

This thread is effectively derailed.
The conversation is going in 4/5 pointless directions

The Indian right wingers derailed it.

It's one of the reasons they are difficult to get on with.

 

[Stewie]

The Indian right wingers derailed it.

It's one of the reasons they are difficult to get on with.

haha, by doing so they are actually proving the point of the thread, arent they? thats hilarious.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

The pseudo liberal got but hurt....

no clue what you are trying to convey.

 

[sithb]

Screw religion , be human.

Is that enough ?

 

[Stewie]

Screw religion , be human.

Is that enough ?

thats overkill and extremism as well, isnt it?

I think the biggest challenge is striking the middle ground. It does not matter what wing you identify as, top, right, bottom, left, etc as long as you dont try to screw stuff for others. Keep your religion and your pro LGBTQ++++ sentiment and the likes to yourself. Live and let live.

 

[sithb]

thats overkill and extremism as well, isnt it

When is "being human" being overkill ?

 

[Stewie]

When is "being human" being overkill ?

"screw religion" is.

you can believe it, sure you can screw your religion and be human. but telling others to do it is extremism. let them be and practice their faith.

 

[sithb]

You get the point.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

So Hindus are going around setting Hindutva zones are they?

Jews imposing Torah on everyone?

Where has that happened?

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

The state is like a machine. It is supposed to exist for all citizens, not just citizens who follow a specific religion or are part of a specific ethnic group. Therefore the state should always be secular in nature. Once a state becomes religious in nature it almost always leads to majoritarianism and the demonization of minorities.

 

[JaDed]

If you believe that this is a thread derailing, I'll stop but I do find your argument strange.

You agree that secular, liberal democracies are better places to live in than every Islamic State in the world today (according to Wikipedia there are 50+ of them...so a wide choice) but still don't want Pakistan to be a secular, liberal democracy today in the hope that in some mythical day in the future, it'll become the Ideal Islamic State?

I'll never understand that thinking just as I can never really understand religious people so I'll leave it at that. It's not like Pakistan has any chance of becoming either of these even in the medium term so it's a purely theoretical discussion.

Because that invalidates a lot of article of Pakistani Constitution..

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

You don't get put in jail for having an opinion. The US is the greatest country in the world as far as free speech is concerned.

Government will always subtly influence private entities, you can't stop that. Some like Trump are just more overt about it.

That may have been true in the past but that is fast changing. Everyone has seen how the Trump administration has dealt with pro-Palestinian protestors on college campuses. College professors have been fired, students with visas have been deported, while others have been blackballed from future job offers. In the past year, the US has dealt with anti-Israel rhetoric with an iron fist.

These days if you apply for a visa to the US in Pakistan (may be true for other Muslim countries too) you have to share links of your social media profiles with the US Embassy which are vetted for anti-Israeli content/posts. On top of that, the recent killing of Charlie Kirk also attracted the ire of the right and the Trump administration, mainly the way in which some people were happy about it, In Texas for instance, two students were expelled for mocking his death.

On top of all this you have the modern-day Gestapo aka ICE, which is frequently trampling civil liberties and basic freedoms of people who aren't white.

 

[JaDed]

The state is like a machine. It is supposed to exist for all citizens, not just citizens who follow a specific religion or are part of a specific ethnic group. Therefore the state should always be secular in nature. Once a state becomes religious in nature it almost always leads to majoritarianism and the demonization of minorities.

That’s an ideal way and always will be.