Why is there a difference in perception between Pakistan & India in the world?

[CricketCartoons]

Pay heed to the advice you gave to your brethern, do not waste your time.

Good night.

I only told him to stay out between you and me. I am on your side on preferred gender pronouns. If you notice, we agree on so many things. Yet somehow you have always been cold or condescending towards me and make baseless accusations which you cannot prove.

Just answer this before you go to sleep, when did i defend india? I will not sleep till I get your answer.

 

[KingKhanWC]

No, Pakistani posters always harp on how the Arab world is behind them or how its so unfair to the Pakistanis when the Arabs shower India with attention and not Pakistan.

I guess India aspires approval of the global dominant giant , while Pakistan aspires for approval of people who can't even make their own screwdrivers and rely on others to dig stuff up under their own soil to sell and religious tourism.

And that, in a nutshell, explains why India is looked upon far more favorably than Pakistan in the world.

You've only been on here a month so your perception of what Pakistani posters say isn't based on much.

As a Pakistani poster, the Arabs actually look up to the nation of Pakistan if not the people. They are desperate for Pakistan to back them up politically and in military terms.

Indians being a much larger nation still need the support of America against this smaller nation. IT's an old Indian mental state of subservience and weakness.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Indians being a much larger nation still need the support of America against this smaller nation. IT's an old Indian mental state of subservience and weakness.

You mean Indian Hindu right? Or all indians including sikhs and muslims.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Im not sure what there is to argue about .

To the common person in the UK when it comes to the PERCEPTION OF India, people think Poverty, Corruption, Curry's, Sexual Assaults against Women, Bollywood, Being ruled by Muslims and Brits and not my view but also bad hygiene.

Regarding Pakistan, it's Corruption, Terrorism inside the nation, Nuclear weapons, Army, K2, Food.

Neither country is seen in high regard but Indians on here seem to be deluded in thinking they are seen as some great nation when it's the opposite.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You mean Indian Hindu right? Or all indians including sikhs and muslims.

I would say it is more the Hindu right.

The common person who knows the basics of history, sees India as place which was easily conquered by outsiders. One fact they teach us at school regarding India is there was less than 50,00 British troops inside India and thats all what was needed to conquer a vast historic land. Now you can guess the conclusion in peoples minds with such facts thrown at them.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I read the list long before you. I'm just glad you followed my lead.

Only you think you lead.

 

[Traveller55]

You've only been on here a month so your perception of what Pakistani posters say isn't based on much.

As a Pakistani poster, the Arabs actually look up to the nation of Pakistan if not the people. They are desperate for Pakistan to back them up politically and in military terms.

Um...that's codswallop. Arabs don't look up to the Pakistanis. Most arabs see Pakistan as a poor, inferior muslim nation (because Arabs have a strong racist component to them as well) with a nuke and a big army.

Since they fund all the madrassahs through Arab banks and such, they see Pakistan as a subservient nation to them. Atleast, this is my experience with Arabs here.

Indians being a much larger nation still need the support of America against this smaller nation. IT's an old Indian mental state of subservience and weakness.

Er, India doesn't need US support against Pakistan. Infact, when India dismembered Pakistan and created my homeland, it went against US pressure to do so.

Neither did India need US backing to blow up Pakistani infiltrators in Kargil.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I would say it is more the Hindu right.

The common person who knows the basics of history, sees India as place which was easily conquered by outsiders. One fact they teach us at school regarding India is there was less than 50,00 British troops inside India and thats all what was needed to conquer a vast historic land. Now you can guess the conclusion in peoples minds with such facts thrown at them.

What happened to the muslims? Did they vanish during the British rule? What were the people of present day Pakistan doing?

 

[Traveller55]

Im not sure what there is to argue about .

To the common person in the UK when it comes to the PERCEPTION OF India, people think Poverty, Corruption, Curry's, Sexual Assaults against Women, Bollywood, Being ruled by Muslims and Brits and not my view but also bad hygiene.

Regarding Pakistan, it's Corruption, Terrorism inside the nation, Nuclear weapons, Army, K2, Food.

Neither country is seen in high regard but Indians on here seem to be deluded in thinking they are seen as some great nation when it's the opposite.

Not just Indians, also Bangladeshis as you can see.
And no, nobody thinks India is a great nation except a few Indians here. The entire objective of the topic is relative: India is seen BETTER THAN Pakistan. I hope you realize, two nations can be seen as crap, but one can still be seen as better than the other.

And its no secret that India is seen as better than Pakistan, largely due to stable democracy, responsible nuclear power, bigger soft-power and not a terrorism sponsoring state.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You've only been on here a month so your perception of what Pakistani posters say isn't based on much.

As a Pakistani poster, the Arabs actually look up to the nation of Pakistan if not the people. They are desperate for Pakistan to back them up politically and in military terms.

Indians being a much larger nation still need the support of America against this smaller nation. IT's an old Indian mental state of subservience and weakness.

Arabs look upto Pakistan??? Lol. You mean Pakistan does what its told by the Arabs, right?

 

[Traveller55]

I would say it is more the Hindu right.

The common person who knows the basics of history, sees India as place which was easily conquered by outsiders. One fact they teach us at school regarding India is there was less than 50,00 British troops inside India and thats all what was needed to conquer a vast historic land. Now you can guess the conclusion in peoples minds with such facts thrown at them.

This India includes your Pakistan FYI.
The 50,000 british troops were from Britain. East India Company hired & trained a lot of local troops, so the actual army size of the BEIC was far, far bigger.

Not a lot of people know this, but when Punjab was conquered by the British, the bulk forces were made up of Bengali, Garhwahl people & Biharis, which a minority component being the actual British troop.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Um...that's codswallop. Arabs don't look up to the Pakistanis. Most arabs see Pakistan as a poor, inferior muslim nation (because Arabs have a strong racist component to them as well) with a nuke and a big army.

Since they fund all the madrassahs through Arab banks and such, they see Pakistan as a subservient nation to them. Atleast, this is my experience with Arabs here.



Er, India doesn't need US support against Pakistan. Infact, when India dismembered Pakistan and created my homeland, it went against US pressure to do so.

Neither did India need US backing to blow up Pakistani infiltrators in Kargil.

We know you are ignorant of many things so im not surprised. Saudi wants Pakistani military to have it's back all the time and most recently in Yemen. Saudi also wanted a Pakistani general to head a team against terrorism. You dont see Pakistan asking for Saudi military help.

Pakistani Muslims made the British carve a whole land and create Pakistan, this was one of the biggest tearing up of an historical land in history. IT's a good thing the traitors got their own dense land, no real loss to Pakistan and eventually the Muslims of Bangladesh will also go against the Hindu extremists of India.

In Kargil Indians got as much as they gave. They should be ashamed a smaller nation and a smaller army takes it to them every time until this very day. If Pakistan was being fired at by say Bangladesh in the same way, Pak would obliterate the minnow nation.

Indians need the US to label person A as a terrorist and even with US support instead of carrying out strikes after the Mumbai attacks(which they promised to do so) they threw in dossiers and nothing has happened since then.

 

[Traveller55]

What happened to the muslims? Did they vanish during the British rule? What were the people of present day Pakistan doing?

Pakistan was getting conquered by sepoys from Mumbai, Tamil Nadu, Bengal,Garhwahl & Biharis, along with British troops.

Sindh and Punjab were one of the easier British conquests in the subcontinent, with the harder ones coming in the south (Karnataka, Maharashtra, Madhya Pradesh) and in the far west ( Durand line region).

 

[KingKhanWC]

This India includes your Pakistan FYI.
The 50,000 british troops were from Britain. East India Company hired & trained a lot of local troops, so the actual army size of the BEIC was far, far bigger.

Not a lot of people know this, but when Punjab was conquered by the British, the bulk forces were made up of Bengali, Garhwahl people & Biharis, which a minority component being the actual British troop.

Proves the subservient nation of this land which made it through the veins of all people in the area. Since Pakistan's creation the people of this land dont have the same mentality. While taking money of America, they are also helping the resistance of Afghanistan to take out their troops.

Bengalis are even worse, they need India to make themselves feel remotely relevant lol.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Arabs look upto Pakistan??? Lol. You mean Pakistan does what its told by the Arabs, right?

Yes that's why we refused to help them in the war against Yemen. Indian Hindu's need Arabs more ,begging to build temples in a Muslim nation.

 

[cricketjoshila]

We know you are ignorant of many things so im not surprised. Saudi wants Pakistani military to have it's back all the time and most recently in Yemen. Saudi also wanted a Pakistani general to head a team against terrorism. You dont see Pakistan asking for Saudi military help.

Pakistani Muslims made the British carve a whole land and create Pakistan, this was one of the biggest tearing up of an historical land in history. IT's a good thing the traitors got their own dense land, no real loss to Pakistan and eventually the Muslims of Bangladesh will also go against the Hindu extremists of India.

In Kargil Indians got as much as they gave. They should be ashamed a smaller nation and a smaller army takes it to them every time until this very day. If Pakistan was being fired at by say Bangladesh in the same way, Pak would obliterate the minnow nation.

Indians need the US to label person A as a terrorist and even with US support instead of carrying out strikes after the Mumbai attacks(which they promised to do so) they threw in dossiers and nothing has happened since then.

The then PM of Pakistan gave away tge pathetic situation pak army was facing in 1999. They were staring at obliteration and came away defeated.

Saudis order and Pakistani authorities obey thats your situation.

Let Bangladeshis decide what they will do, they surely dont find much common ground with Pakistanis.

Why did the Pak Army refuse to reveal its casualty figures even to the senate?

 

[Traveller55]

We know you are ignorant of many things so im not surprised. Saudi wants Pakistani military to have it's back all the time and most recently in Yemen. Saudi also wanted a Pakistani general to head a team against terrorism. You dont see Pakistan asking for Saudi military help.

In the world where military & money rules, when a nation pressures another nation to send military help, it means the former nation is owning the latter one by money or alliance.
Since there is no former Saudi-Pakistani alliance, Saudis were calling in their chamchaas by waving some $$ around.

Pakistani Muslims made the British carve a whole land and create Pakistan, this was one of the biggest tearing up of an historical land in history.

Sure. The British didn't care at that point, because Gandhi made sure they had to go in the first place.

IT's a good thing the traitors got their own dense land, no real loss to Pakistan and eventually the Muslims of Bangladesh will also go against the Hindu extremists of India.

Err, you know very little of Bangladesh. The traitors were your military, who unfairly oppressed your awam for personal enrichment and power. Not the people who fought back and made their own homeland for the zulm suffered under the Paksitani military.

In Kargil Indians got as much as they gave. They should be ashamed a smaller nation and a smaller army takes it to them every time until this very day. If Pakistan was being fired at by say Bangladesh in the same way, Pak would obliterate the minnow nation.

Um, they should be ashamed that they beat down tens of thousands of professional Pakistani soldiers, entrenched in higher ground ??? India showed great surgical precision and responsible display of power in Kargil.
Could've easily escalated it to a nuclear war (India had just cause- being attacked), could've blown up Karachi like in 71. But chose to restrict it to Kashmir and acted responsibly.

This was the turning point in western perception of India and Pakistan : India, the more powerful but responsible military power, Pakistan, the inferior but more trigger-happy and aggressive power. With both of them being nuclear power, Pakistan lost a lot of face that day.

Indians need the US to label person A as a terrorist and even with US support instead of carrying out strikes after the Mumbai attacks(which they promised to do so) they threw in dossiers and nothing has happened since then.

Yes. Its called acting like a responsible power. Following the rule of law. Something Pakistan is pretty terrible at.

India doesn't have much left to prove on the battleground with Pakistan: India has resoundingly defeated Pakistan twice ( 65 and 71) and even in 1947, stalemated Pakistan by making Pakistan fail in its aggressive war objectives, despite joining the war much later than Pakistani attack on Kashmir.

Even in Kargil, India gave a clinical display on how to deal with an irresponsible, aggressive nuclear power that is invading their land.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Proves the subservient nation of this land which made it through the veins of all people in the area. Since Pakistan's creation the people of this land dont have the same mentality. While taking money of America, they are also helping the resistance of Afghanistan to take out their troops.

Bengalis are even worse, they need India to make themselves feel remotely relevant lol.

Here we go. The taliban supporter is out.

America drones Pakistani territory. Thsts how subservient you are.

 

[Traveller55]

Yes that's why we refused to help them in the war against Yemen. Indian Hindu's need Arabs more ,begging to build temples in a Muslim nation.

Must burn you a bit that hindu temples are spreading to the heartland of Islam. Arabs care more for Indians because there are way more Indians involved in keeping the arab oil industry alive and ticking, than Pakistanis.

The Gulf arabs like the west for protection, India for tech help, Pakistan-Bangladesh-Sudan-Phillipines for cheap labor and domestic help. Of the non-western crowd, India as a result has the greatest clout.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes that's why we refused to help them in the war against Yemen. Indian Hindu's need Arabs more ,begging to build temples in a Muslim nation.

Pakistan runs to Saudis for their permission on everything.

From when did you start speaking for Arabs? We are building temples in arab lands becsuse we can. There is nothing you can do to stop it. You csn burn and whine and cry thoughm

 

[KingKhanWC]

The then PM of Pakistan gave away tge pathetic situation pak army was facing in 1999. They were staring at obliteration and came away defeated.

Saudis order and Pakistani authorities obey thats your situation.

Let Bangladeshis decide what they will do, they surely dont find much common ground with Pakistanis.

Why did the Pak Army refuse to reveal its casualty figures even to the senate?

The defeat was on India, a much bigger power who couldn't take any significant land. Imagine if Pakistan was the size of India and India was the size of Pakistan, you'd be crying on your knees . Have some shame.

Saudi's can't order Pakistan to do anything. Pakistan is their first preffered armed forces when it comes to defending the holy sites.

Nobody cares about Bangladesh, they are irrelevant.

 

[Traveller55]

Proves the subservient nation of this land which made it through the veins of all people in the area. Since Pakistan's creation the people of this land dont have the same mentality. While taking money of America, they are also helping the resistance of Afghanistan to take out their troops.

Bengalis are even worse, they need India to make themselves feel remotely relevant lol.

We are already on our way to overtaking your economy in the next 3-4 years.
You' be surprised how many Bengalis laugh at the Pakistanis for foolishly getting owned on the battlefield and still pretending to be some sort of 'warrior culture'. True warrior cultures like the Bushido culture of Japan never boasted about being warriors after getting thrashed. They fell on their swords and committed suicide.

Yes, we are well aware that your society is run by crooked military people who start trouble in the neighborhood. Part of the reason we broke away (you stated trouble with us) and are so glad to have India as buffer between us and you.

Don't worry about Bengal. We've been the richest province of India since the Mughal days,richer than Punjab+Sindh, till a mixture of Pakistani exploitation and Indian weirdo-Communists wrecked Bengal. But we are back on track again and going to be more relevant than Punjab & Sindh put together in the near future - as was the case historically.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Here we go. The taliban supporter is out.

America drones Pakistani territory. Thsts how subservient you are.

I support the Afghan people in their right to defend their land against invaders. You as a Indian have a mentality of letting invaders come in and take over, just like your ansectors. Afghans have more self respect.

Drones are allowed in, even the Americans themselves have stated this on many occasions and you being their lackey should accept their word all the time not when it suits you.

 

[Traveller55]

The defeat was on India, a much bigger power who couldn't take any significant land. Imagine if Pakistan was the size of India and India was the size of Pakistan, you'd be crying on your knees . Have some shame.

Saudi's can't order Pakistan to do anything. Pakistan is their first preffered armed forces when it comes to defending the holy sites.

Nobody cares about Bangladesh, they are irrelevant.

India hasn't been defeated by Pakistan a single time. Pakistan has been defeated by India 4 times.

You may want to educate yourself- victory/defeat are determined by achieving/failing at the primary objectives of war. India succeeded in all but 1 objective of all the wars they've had with Pakistan : total control of Kashmir.
Pakistan on the other hand, has failed at every single objective, every single time it has fought with India.

So not sure what you are on about.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Must burn you a bit that hindu temples are spreading to the heartland of Islam. Arabs care more for Indians because there are way more Indians involved in keeping the arab oil industry alive and ticking, than Pakistanis.

The Gulf arabs like the west for protection, India for tech help, Pakistan-Bangladesh-Sudan-Phillipines for cheap labor and domestic help. Of the non-western crowd, India as a result has the greatest clout.

They are not spreading anywhere, there are a few in UAE but when you see them in Saudi then claim they are spreading lol. Not that I have an issue with temples or other religous sites but i was making a point of Modi begging to have a temple built in Abu Dhabi.

Americans will not be allowed to protect the holy sites, this is idiotic and embarrassing for me to debate with such arguments.

 

[Traveller55]

I support the Afghan people in their right to defend their land against invaders. You as a Indian have a mentality of letting invaders come in and take over, just like your ansectors. Afghans have more self respect.

Says the Punjabi...a land that hasn't been ruled by its own people from the times of Alexander to the time of the Sikh empires. Ironic.

Yes, Afghans do have more self-respect than us or you. Which is why they resisted their homeland's invasion while your and my people gave up.

Drones are allowed in, even the Americans themselves have stated this on many occasions and you being their lackey should accept their word all the time not when it suits you.

Only Pakistan 'allows' America or any other nation to bomb its own land. Its called the 'Mai baap has ordered me' scenario.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The defeat was on India, a much bigger power who couldn't take any significant land. Imagine if Pakistan was the size of India and India was the size of Pakistan, you'd be crying on your knees . Have some shame.

Saudi's can't order Pakistan to do anything. Pakistan is their first preffered armed forces when it comes to defending the holy sites.

Nobody cares about Bangladesh, they are irrelevant.

Pakistan started a war it then ran away. Pak PM ran to US to save face. Such was the condition of the chief of pak army, that he had to orchestrate a coup to stay in power. And india came away defeated.

Saudis can do anything they in respect to pakistan.

BD are better than pakistan in gdp growth, per capita income, being able to hold cricket matches.

In what terms Pakistan is better?

 

[KingKhanWC]

India hasn't been defeated by Pakistan a single time. Pakistan has been defeated by India 4 times.

You may want to educate yourself- victory/defeat are determined by achieving/failing at the primary objectives of war. India succeeded in all but 1 objective of all the wars they've had with Pakistan : total control of Kashmir.
Pakistan on the other hand, has failed at every single objective, every single time it has fought with India.

So not sure what you are on about.

What has Bangladesh done? lol Is your nation some pathetic you need to uphold someones elses? lol

Pakistan still has all its' territory and as a much smaller nation India to this day is scared of it and has not bottle to carry out it's threats. The war is on-going , India has won nothing.

 

[Traveller55]

They are not spreading anywhere, there are a few in UAE but when you see them in Saudi then claim they are spreading lol. Not that I have an issue with temples or other religous sites but i was making a point of Modi begging to have a temple built in Abu Dhabi.

They are spreading. 30 years ago there was only a hindu temple in Muscat. Now they are there in UAE, Oman and Bahrain.
That's called spreading to me.

Americans will not be allowed to protect the holy sites, this is idiotic and embarrassing for me to debate with such arguments.

Americans will tell Saudis what to do, when to do, as they have done in the past. The holy sites exist, unmolested, because America chooses so. We all know that a lot of extremist muslims like OBL had a problem with American military dominance in the heart of Islam.

 

[Traveller55]

What has Bangladesh done? lol Is your nation some pathetic you need to uphold someones elses? lol

We've focused on recovering from being taken advantage of by the Pakistanis, to a point where we've caught up to Pakistan and by all projections are set to leave Pakistan in our dust in the next couple of years.

Pakistan still has all its' territory and as a much smaller nation India to this day is scared of it and has not bottle to carry out it's threats. The war is on-going , India has won nothing.

Pakistan lost 30% of its territory since foundation, thanks to India. So its not the Indians that are scared of Pakistan, but the other way round. Which is why Pakistan makes more noise (its scared) and India just ignores it usually, as a responsible power does.


The war may be ongoing in your mind, but Pakistani troops are not mobilized for battle at the moment, neither are Indian and there is no official declaration either. So no declared or undeclared war at the moment.

There is no on-going war. There were 3 declared wars and 1 undeclared one. India won all of them, that's pretty inescapable.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I support the Afghan people in their right to defend their land against invaders. You as a Indian have a mentality of letting invaders come in and take over, just like your ansectors. Afghans have more self respect.

Drones are allowed in, even the Americans themselves have stated this on many occasions and you being their lackey should accept their word all the time not when it suits you.

Your own army says that drones are not allowed. Still US drones continue their attacks.

My ancestors were conquered a lot later than yours. Who gave up everything. I till this day follow the culture and religion my ancestors follwed for 3000 years, what about you?

Is supporting Taliban allowed in UK?

 

[Tusker]

Oh my. Who said Modi was convicted?

I said he was banned in the West because of Gujrat incident.

No surprise Indian court let him off, the people who sill hold him responsible in Gujrat, are just making stuff up of course, right? However the West knew better and banned him.

He was banned, no conspiracy, just a shock to you.

Got Evidence for that to suggest Modi was involved which the West used to base their decision on? I guess not. If not this would be the ideal time to quietly walk away from the thread.

And let me guess the same Western Countries did not know better and let go of a man who supposedly had committed grave human rights violations ? Right ?

And I suppose you are not going to Ever answer how the Nation of Pakistan getting repeatedly humiliated and its sovereignty violated by America is the same as Modi's situation. Embarrased much ? And then you have the cheek to claim that there is no difference in perceptions of India and Pakistan ...

 

[Tusker]

Your own army says that drones are not allowed. Still US drones continue their attacks.

My ancestors were conquered a lot later than yours. Who gave up everything. I till this day follow the culture and religion my ancestors follwed for 3000 years, what about you?

Is supporting Taliban allowed in UK?

Thats a brilliant response. Exactly put him in his place.

 

[giri26]

All for one final time, please stick to the topic and only discuss the OP.

 

[James]

Yes, it counts for me as it is a sincere opinion, and coming from the right demography. But is it a verdict? NO. He is a minority. He didn't vote for Brexit. He has read the Qura'an. His represents the minority among the native Brits.

Correction: I voted for Brexit.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Correction: I voted for Brexit.

You have earned my respect. Please don't lose it in future.

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

Im not sure what there is to argue about .

To the common person in the UK when it comes to the PERCEPTION OF India, people think Poverty, Corruption, Curry's, Sexual Assaults against Women, Bollywood, Being ruled by Muslims and Brits and not my view but also bad hygiene.

Regarding Pakistan, it's Corruption, Terrorism inside the nation, Nuclear weapons, Army, K2, Food.

Neither country is seen in high regard but Indians on here seem to be deluded in thinking they are seen as some great nation when it's the opposite.

Most sensible post in this thread.

 

[TM Riddle]

For the love of God will anyone elaborate a bit more on this ruled by Muslims thing? I kept hearing the claim and yet nobody cares to explain. [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] Bhai since you seem to be a bit of an expert on everything here , would you like to enlighten us ignorants on this subject a bit?
Thank you.

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

Most people in this thread are missing an important point. In western societies, the common white man walking down on the street would not be able to come at a definitive conclusion as to whether a brown man walking down the road is Pakistani, Bangladeshi or Indian. The citizens of these countries look so similar that we should pray that the perception of ALL these countries is good across the world, and not just our own country. If this was reality then alot of pre-held notions and biases about the common brown man would go away!

 

[CricketCartoons]

Most people in this thread are missing an important point. In western societies, the common white man walking down on the street would not be able to come at a definitive conclusion as to whether a brown man walking down the road is Pakistani, Bangladeshi or Indian. The citizens of these countries look so similar that we should pray that the perception of ALL these countries is good across the world, and not just our own country. If this was reality then alot of pre-held notions and biases about the common brown man would go away!

The average white westerner may not be able to identify who is a pakistani and who is an indian, but if you tell him with certainty that this is an indian and that is a pakistani, he will prefer the indian. because the indian will take your calls, file your taxes, teach your kids maths and spelling and press your clothes. But the pakistani? initially he will guard you and make biryani and kebab, but later he will marry your wife, and throw you out of your house.

 

[Slog]

Must burn you a bit that hindu temples are spreading to the heartland of Islam. Arabs care more for Indians because there are way more Indians involved in keeping the arab oil industry alive and ticking, than Pakistanis.

The Gulf arabs like the west for protection, India for tech help, Pakistan-Bangladesh-Sudan-Phillipines for cheap labor and domestic help. Of the non-western crowd, India as a result has the greatest clout.

Well its not much when Islamic empires have ruled India for centuries....

And lol at Gulf not looking at India for labor and domestic help

 

[Slog]

For the love of God will anyone elaborate a bit more on this ruled by Muslims thing? I kept hearing the claim and yet nobody cares to explain. [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] Bhai since you seem to be a bit of an expert on everything here , would you like to enlighten us ignorants on this subject a bit?
Thank you.

havent read his post but multitudes of Islamic empires have ruled Indian regions for centuries at different points. Heck they were conquering each other IN India

 

[TM Riddle]

havent read his post but multitudes of Islamic empires have ruled Indian regions for centuries at different points. Heck they were conquering each other IN India

Yes the region term is more appropriate. That was my whole point as well. Most of the times they were concentrated around doab and Punjab Sindh.

 

[Slog]

Yes the region term is more appropriate. That was my whole point as well. Most of the times they were concentrated around doab and Punjab Sindh.

bengal and central india too

i was surprised that even south had several islamic empires

 

[TM Riddle]

bengal and central india too

i was surprised that even south had several islamic empires

At different times though.
Hindu kingdoms also existed parallel to them and there were always battles for supremacy among those two.
The only time Muslims managed to conquer the entire Indian subcontinent was in the times of Mughals which lasted for a mere 150 years.

 

[Pakpak]

Which part of West only cares about money and not India did you not understand? What part of perception of India in the West is bolstered by the media because of greed, did you not understand?

In other words India is not special by any stretch of the imagination, as Indians would like to believe. Ergo the perception of Pakistan vs India is all down to greed of western governments. Get it?

I didn't agree with you in the religion thread but the level of schooling you've single handedly handed to the Indians in this thread has been pretty amazing to see

 

[jusarrived]

Indian companies? You mean like Western companies that have outsourced to india? I hear Reliance Communication is almost bankrupt, or is teetering bankruptcy. What up? Lack of foreign investment?

How may redundancies in the telecom sector in India please?

Again showing you have no clue .
IT outsourcing is just a small part of Indian industry , even that is dominated by Indian companies like TCS , Infy , HCL , Cognizant and Wipro .

Reliance communications ? should have researched a little better , Rcom was always non existent in Telecom sector , even if it goes bankrupt its due to competition from other Indian companies , dont understand the relevance to the topic. Anyway you seem to have confused it with Reliance industries (Jio ) ? which btw is 50 billion dollar comp
There a 4 big players in the Indian market , Airtel is the leader followed by RJio ( in less than 12 mons of launch ) and Vodafone and then by BSNL . The western company vodafone makes up barely 20% of the marketshare . infact Airtel is a leader not just in India , but a dozen or more African countries and big player both in Srilanka and Bangladesh . Overall its the third biggest mobile operator in the world .

Which other sector do you want talk about ? Banking , Petrochem , Pharma , Auto ?


Then the actual FDIs and its significance to Indian economy . The FDI inflows to india has been in the range of 30-40 billion $ which is less than even countries like Singapore , negligible compared to China , UK and US . Even that figure , most of the inflow comes from Singapore/Mauritius and strangely these tow countries receive most of Indian investments . Basically its just indian money which is re-routed through these countries to benefit from Tax exemptions .

So how are "western companies" exploiting us exactly ?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Again showing you have no clue .
IT outsourcing is just a small part of Indian industry , even that is dominated by Indian companies like TCS , Infy , HCL , Cognizant and Wipro .

Reliance communications ? should have researched a little better , Rcom was always non existent in Telecom sector , even if it goes bankrupt its due to competition from other Indian companies , dont understand the relevance to the topic. Anyway you seem to have confused it with Reliance industries (Jio ) ? which btw is 50 billion dollar comp
There a 4 big players in the Indian market , Airtel is the leader followed by RJio ( in less than 12 mons of launch ) and Vodafone and then by BSNL . The western company vodafone makes up barely 20% of the marketshare . infact Airtel is a leader not just in India , but a dozen or more African countries and big player both in Srilanka and Bangladesh . Overall its the third biggest mobile operator in the world .

Which other sector do you want talk about ? Banking , Petrochem , Pharma , Auto ?


Then the actual FDIs and its significance to Indian economy . The FDI inflows to india has been in the range of 30-40 billion $ which is less than even countries like Singapore , negligible compared to China , UK and US . Even that figure , most of the inflow comes from Singapore/Mauritius and strangely these tow countries receive most of Indian investments . Basically its just indian money which is re-routed through these countries to benefit from Tax exemptions .

So how are "western companies" exploiting us exactly ?

I do not know how Pakistanis talk about Indian industry. I wonder how many Pakistani companies have billion dollar market cap.

Even in UK Tatas are one of the largest employers, wonder how many are employed by Pakistani companies.

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

The average white westerner may not be able to identify who is a pakistani and who is an indian, but if you tell him with certainty that this is an indian and that is a pakistani, he will prefer the indian. because the indian will take your calls, file your taxes, teach your kids maths and spelling and press your clothes. But the pakistani? initially he will guard you and make biryani and kebab, but later he will marry your wife, and throw you out of your house.

You give Pakistani men too much credit. Most of us aren't that skilled in the kitchen nor are we expert womanisers.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Im not sure what there is to argue about .

To the common person in the UK when it comes to the PERCEPTION OF India, people think Poverty, Corruption, Curry's, Sexual Assaults against Women, Bollywood, Being ruled by Muslims and Brits and not my view but also bad hygiene.

Regarding Pakistan, it's Corruption, Terrorism inside the nation, Nuclear weapons, Army, K2, Food.

Neither country is seen in high regard but Indians on here seem to be deluded in thinking they are seen as some great nation when it's the opposite.

This is a very hard hitting post, and there is a good reason it has been carefully avoided by the Shining India brigade. The truth can be hurtful, and I would request you to take a lighter hand bro, the Indians are our guests, and sometimes a white lie is better than a painful word of truth.

 

[TM Riddle]

This is a very hard hitting post, and there is a good reason it has been carefully avoided by the Shining India brigade. The truth can be hurtful, and I would request you to take a lighter hand bro, the Indians are our guests, and sometimes a white lie is better than a painful word of truth.

We just don't like to wash our dirty linen in the public is all.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

We just don't like to wash our dirty linen in the public is all.

What difference does it make, dirty linen still smells just as bad if you hide it out of sight.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Feels like the PP batch of 2011 again.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

One thing which annoys me: it's always left to us British Pakistanis to fight the corner, home based Pakistanis either are either too clever or too dumb to get involved. This messes with my attempts to pass myself off as a British native which is even more annoying.

 

[TM Riddle]

What difference does it make, dirty linen still smells just as bad if you hide it out of sight.

With the permanent curry smell emanating from our bodies , I think we have got that part covered.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Again showing you have no clue .
IT outsourcing is just a small part of Indian industry , even that is dominated by Indian companies like TCS , Infy , HCL , Cognizant and Wipro .

Reliance communications ? should have researched a little better , Rcom was always non existent in Telecom sector , even if it goes bankrupt its due to competition from other Indian companies , dont understand the relevance to the topic. Anyway you seem to have confused it with Reliance industries (Jio ) ? which btw is 50 billion dollar comp
There a 4 big players in the Indian market , Airtel is the leader followed by RJio ( in less than 12 mons of launch ) and Vodafone and then by BSNL . The western company vodafone makes up barely 20% of the marketshare . infact Airtel is a leader not just in India , but a dozen or more African countries and big player both in Srilanka and Bangladesh . Overall its the third biggest mobile operator in the world .

Which other sector do you want talk about ? Banking , Petrochem , Pharma , Auto ?


Then the actual FDIs and its significance to Indian economy . The FDI inflows to india has been in the range of 30-40 billion $ which is less than even countries like Singapore , negligible compared to China , UK and US . Even that figure , most of the inflow comes from Singapore/Mauritius and strangely these tow countries receive most of Indian investments . Basically its just indian money which is re-routed through these countries to benefit from Tax exemptions .

So how are "western companies" exploiting us exactly ?

Deary deary me.

You have effectively proven what I have been saying.

FDI – Foreign Direct Investment is THE major monetary source for economic development in India, so the West is pumping money into India, PURLEY based on market size, which is 1.3 Billion People! This is a huge market cap, even if every Indian spent $10, just in one sector, you are talking TRILLIONs. This goes back to what I have been saying, the West is only investing in India due to market size, NOT due to the quality of love of India as Indians would like to think. There is no pat on the back, there is no approval from the West, it’s just about the Benjamins! Which part are you not understanding?

To pour money into India via FDI, it’s either via the Reserve Bank of India, or more commonly, GOI approval. THIS is where the West grease the GOI, by bolstering the perception of India in western media so GOI approvals can be passed. If the West kept India where it should be by revealing the reality of India, the West will lose out on the chance to invest in India at the behest of GOI rejection. IN return, Western companies allow Indian companies like Tata to invest in the West. Which part do you not understand?

It’s classic capitalism, you scratch my back I scratch yours. Remove FDI, and India does not have a leg to stand on. India exports bits and pieces, but the primary export is CHEAP LABOUR. Take away FDI, and India is back to the early 90s (about the time when FDI was introduced by Manmohan Singh), when Indian exports were a joke, because let’s face it, no individual in their right mind would by 3rd rate pharmaceuticals, chemicals, or textiles from India, or Cars, or Computers manufactured in India. Which part do you not understand?

As for Market Cap, get a grip. Population determines market cap. Pakistan has about 14% population that of India, and where you compare the GDP between the 2 countries, Pakistan is also around 14% that of the Indian GDP. Penny dropped yet? Indian isn’t special. It’s all down to the size of the population. Which part do you not understand?

So this all goes back to what I have been saying, no one in the West cares about India, only care about money, thus the perception of India in the Western media is all about patting India on the back and flattering Indians with false praise because the West is tapping into 1.3 Billion for the sake of money. Exploitation. Which part do you not understand?

As for RCOM, RCOM was a big player before his brother offered FREE 4G Sims via Jio. RCOM is proof what happens in the absence of FDI. The real reason why RCOM is in the dumps is because RCOM was unable to make payments on its bonds and the banks went in. His brother’s move only compounded the misery. If that was not enough RCOM’s reputation around the world in the guise of Flag, is a joke. No one wants to deal with companies in India! The quality is poor, and professionalism is non-existent, the only benefit is cheap labour – this was the relevance. Even Vodafone plans to merge with Idea to pare debt.

As for the companies in India, they are laying off engineers in the masses. 150000 of them!

https://telecom.economictimes.india...may-soon-lose-jobs-in-telecom-sector/60960591

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ut-jobs-in-2017/aircel/slideshow/57575334.cms

https://www.thequint.com/news/india/reliance-communications-rcom-forced-resignation-of-workers

So, in essence, Indians may believe they are special because the West praise India and bolster their significance, but it's all a front, because if tomorrow Pakistan had a population of 2 Billion, then India would be left for dust.

Best!

 

[Traveller55]

Deary deary me.

You have effectively proven what I have been saying.

FDI – Foreign Direct Investment is THE major monetary source for economic development in India, so the West is pumping money into India, PURLEY based on market size, which is 1.3 Billion People! This is a huge market cap, even if every Indian spent $10, just in one sector, you are talking TRILLIONs. This goes back to what I have been saying, the West is only investing in India due to market size, NOT due to the quality of love of India as Indians would like to think. There is no pat on the back, there is no approval from the West, it’s just about the Benjamins! Which part are you not understanding?

Evidence please for the bolded part. So far, all you do is pass off your ignorant opinions as facts with zero evidence.

It’s classic capitalism, you scratch my back I scratch yours. Remove FDI, and India does not have a leg to stand on.

Evidence please.

India exports bits and pieces, but the primary export is CHEAP LABOUR. Take away FDI, and India is back to the early 90s (about the time when FDI was introduced by Manmohan Singh), when Indian exports were a joke, because let’s face it, no individual in their right mind would by 3rd rate pharmaceuticals, chemicals, or textiles from India, or Cars, or Computers manufactured in India. Which part do you not understand?

Erm, even as a kid, i know in east Pakistan we were still buying Indian pharma. And Indian pharma is the biggest exporter of pharma to Africa.
Does Pakistan even have its own pharma ??

As for Market Cap, get a grip. Population determines market cap. Pakistan has about 14% population that of India, and where you compare the GDP between the 2 countries, Pakistan is also around 14% that of the Indian GDP. Penny dropped yet? Indian isn’t special. It’s all down to the size of the population. Which part do you not understand?

The average Indian nominal(real) per capita income is $ 1989
The average Pakistani nominal(real) per capita income is $1629.

Meaning the average Indian is 22% richer than the average Pakistani.

Seems like the wealth gap between India and Pakistan is not just because of India's size, but because Indian economy is fundamentally better than Pakistan's.

 

[KingKhanWC]

My ancestors were conquered a lot later than yours. Who gave up everything. I till this day follow the culture and religion my ancestors follwed for 3000 years, what about you?

lol. On the contrary I'm so happy I am the religion I am.

This is an interesting subject so I will start a thread.
Thats a brilliant response. Exactly put him in his place.

 

[KingKhanWC]

This is a very hard hitting post, and there is a good reason it has been carefully avoided by the Shining India brigade. The truth can be hurtful, and I would request you to take a lighter hand bro, the Indians are our guests, and sometimes a white lie is better than a painful word of truth.

Ok fine, India is a great as Southall. They cant complain now.

 

[jusarrived]

Deary deary me.

You have effectively proven what I have been saying.

FDI – Foreign Direct Investment is THE major monetary source for economic development in India, so the West is pumping money into India, PURLEY based on market size, which is 1.3 Billion People! This is a huge market cap, even if every Indian spent $10, just in one sector, you are talking TRILLIONs. This goes back to what I have been saying, the West is only investing in India due to market size, NOT due to the quality of love of India as Indians would like to think. There is no pat on the back, there is no approval from the West, it’s just about the Benjamins! Which part are you not understanding?

To pour money into India via FDI, it’s either via the Reserve Bank of India, or more commonly, GOI approval. THIS is where the West grease the GOI, by bolstering the perception of India in western media so GOI approvals can be passed. If the West kept India where it should be by revealing the reality of India, the West will lose out on the chance to invest in India at the behest of GOI rejection. IN return, Western companies allow Indian companies like Tata to invest in the West. Which part do you not understand?

It’s classic capitalism, you scratch my back I scratch yours. Remove FDI, and India does not have a leg to stand on. India exports bits and pieces, but the primary export is CHEAP LABOUR. Take away FDI, and India is back to the early 90s (about the time when FDI was introduced by Manmohan Singh), when Indian exports were a joke, because let’s face it, no individual in their right mind would by 3rd rate pharmaceuticals, chemicals, or textiles from India, or Cars, or Computers manufactured in India. Which part do you not understand?

As for Market Cap, get a grip. Population determines market cap. Pakistan has about 14% population that of India, and where you compare the GDP between the 2 countries, Pakistan is also around 14% that of the Indian GDP. Penny dropped yet? Indian isn’t special. It’s all down to the size of the population. Which part do you not understand?

So this all goes back to what I have been saying, no one in the West cares about India, only care about money, thus the perception of India in the Western media is all about patting India on the back and flattering Indians with false praise because the West is tapping into 1.3 Billion for the sake of money. Exploitation. Which part do you not understand?

As for RCOM, RCOM was a big player before his brother offered FREE 4G Sims via Jio. RCOM is proof what happens in the absence of FDI. The real reason why RCOM is in the dumps is because RCOM was unable to make payments on its bonds and the banks went in. His brother’s move only compounded the misery. If that was not enough RCOM’s reputation around the world in the guise of Flag, is a joke. No one wants to deal with companies in India! The quality is poor, and professionalism is non-existent, the only benefit is cheap labour – this was the relevance. Even Vodafone plans to merge with Idea to pare debt.

As for the companies in India, they are laying off engineers in the masses. 150000 of them!

https://telecom.economictimes.india...may-soon-lose-jobs-in-telecom-sector/60960591

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ut-jobs-in-2017/aircel/slideshow/57575334.cms

https://www.thequint.com/news/india/reliance-communications-rcom-forced-resignation-of-workers

So, in essence, Indians may believe they are special because the West praise India and bolster their significance, but it's all a front, because if tomorrow Pakistan had a population of 2 Billion, then India would be left for dust.

Best!

Did you even read what I posted ? Read the below extract again . To sum it up , India gets very negligible FDI and even in that most of it is domestic funds which gets re routed through tax heavens like Singapore/Mauritius . How and who are these western companies ripping us off ?

Then the actual FDIs and its significance to Indian economy . The FDI inflows to india has been in the range of 30-40 billion $ which is less than even countries like Singapore , negligible compared to China , UK and US . Even that figure , most of the inflow comes from Singapore/Mauritius and strangely these tow countries receive most of Indian investments . Basically its just indian money which is re-routed through these countries to benefit from Tax exemptions .


Again on Rcom , dont get your obsession with this company . I know why Rcom got into trouble , its a liitle more than free sims offered by Jio lol . There are so many companies which go bankrupt and many more will go in future not just in India . Do you want me to list companies much bigger than Rcom going bust from US ? Does that say anything about US economy per your expert analysis ? Still dont get the relevance . I would probably understand if an Indian company goes bust and its replaced by an MNC , when the leaders are still Indian what exactly is your logic ?

Clearly you seem to be spouting what ever comes up in your google search and pasting it here with no sense atall .



The west has been letting companies like Tata buy the likes of Tetley , Jaguar , Landrover and corus so that Indian Gov allows the likes of IBM , Accenture come and Invest in India . So companies in UK are getting bought over so that American companies can make money in India . on the other hand , no one wants to work with Indian companies ..only bought by them . Been watching too many lollywood movies ?

I dint want to bring in Pak here , I quoted you only cos of some senseless claims you made about the Indian economy ..but no sir , population does not translate into Mcap/Sales . India has 50-60 companies with more than 10B Mcap , so Pak should have 10-15 by that logic ?

 

[jusarrived]

I do not know how Pakistanis talk about Indian industry. I wonder how many Pakistani companies have billion dollar market cap.

Even in UK Tatas are one of the largest employers, wonder how many are employed by Pakistani companies.

Looks like he picked that up from your post lol . He has no clue about what hes posting , for his own good hope hes not a economics student .

 

[R3verse Swing]

The argument that an Indian earns more whether it be via wages or comparing GDP per capita is not only an insult to intelligence but an endorsement to Indian mentality.

More money is not proportionate to value. Nominal vs. Value are two different things.

For example, the cost of Petrol per litre in India costs MORE than the cost of petrol in Pakistan / litre.

Based on 2018 prices ad FC rate as of 12th Feb 2018 (YESTERDAY!)


Petrol in USD

Pakistan, a litre of petrol costs $0.76 CENTS

India, a litre of petrol costs $1.19 DOLLARS

56% more expensive in India!


Petrol in INR

Pakistan, a litre of petrol costs INR 49.04

India, a litre of petrol costs INR 76.26


Petrol in PKR

Pakistan, a litre of petrol costs PKR 84.51

India, a litre of petrol costs PKR 131.41

Read it and weep : http://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gasoline_prices/

This simple example demonstrates that while Indians may earn more in nominal, Pakistani have more value in their earnings because they need less to get more done, whereas Indians need more to get less done.

This is just Petrol mind you.

So run along with the Indians earn more argument cos they need almost twice the money just to get their Hero Honda’s on the road.

 

[KingKhanWC]

India should be the last country to talk of economics when you have one if not the largest population in the world stuck in poverty.

NOBODY thinks of wealth when they think of India. lol

 

[R3verse Swing]

Did you even read what I posted ? Read the below extract again . To sum it up , India gets very negligible FDI and even in that most of it is domestic funds which gets re routed through tax heavens like Singapore/Mauritius . How and who are these western companies ripping us off ?

Then the actual FDIs and its significance to Indian economy . The FDI inflows to india has been in the range of 30-40 billion $ which is less than even countries like Singapore , negligible compared to China , UK and US . Even that figure , most of the inflow comes from Singapore/Mauritius and strangely these tow countries receive most of Indian investments . Basically its just indian money which is re-routed through these countries to benefit from Tax exemptions .


Again on Rcom , dont get your obsession with this company . I know why Rcom got into trouble , its a liitle more than free sims offered by Jio lol . There are so many companies which go bankrupt and many more will go in future not just in India . Do you want me to list companies much bigger than Rcom going bust from US ? Does that say anything about US economy per your expert analysis ? Still dont get the relevance . I would probably understand if an Indian company goes bust and its replaced by an MNC , when the leaders are still Indian what exactly is your logic ?

Clearly you seem to be spouting what ever comes up in your google search and pasting it here with no sense atall .



The west has been letting companies like Tata buy the likes of Tetley , Jaguar , Landrover and corus so that Indian Gov allows the likes of IBM , Accenture come and Invest in India . So companies in UK are getting bought over so that American companies can make money in India . on the other hand , no one wants to work with Indian companies ..only bought by them . Been watching too many lollywood movies ?

I dint want to bring in Pak here , I quoted you only cos of some senseless claims you made about the Indian economy ..but no sir , population does not translate into Mcap/Sales . India has 50-60 companies with more than 10B Mcap , so Pak should have 10-15 by that logic ?

Like I said, you are simply endorsing what I have been saying. The Indian companies that buy western companies do so because it's the favour in return for Western companies investing in India via FDI. Read my post above slowly.

You can quote all the FDI figures in the world, doesn't change the fact that without FDI, India's economy would still be in the dark ages, selling goods among themselves and 3rd rate pharmaceuticals to Bangladesh. We know this because you only have to look at the state of the Indian before FDI.

So again, the West is patting the backs of Indians, bolstering the Indian perception of India, in return, the West take a slice of the action by exploiting Indians - Rinse and Repeat.

 

[Traveller55]

The argument that an Indian earns more whether it be via wages or comparing GDP per capita is not only an insult to intelligence but an endorsement to Indian mentality.

More money is not proportionate to value. Nominal vs. Value are two different things.

For example, the cost of Petrol per litre in India costs MORE than the cost of petrol in Pakistan / litre.

Based on 2018 prices ad FC rate as of 12th Feb 2018 (YESTERDAY!)


Petrol in USD

Pakistan, a litre of petrol costs $0.76 CENTS

India, a litre of petrol costs $1.19 DOLLARS

56% more expensive in India!


Petrol in INR

Pakistan, a litre of petrol costs INR 49.04

India, a litre of petrol costs INR 76.26


Petrol in PKR

Pakistan, a litre of petrol costs PKR 84.51

India, a litre of petrol costs PKR 131.41

Read it and weep : http://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gasoline_prices/

This simple example demonstrates that while Indians may earn more in nominal, Pakistani have more value in their earnings because they need less to get more done, whereas Indians need more to get less done.

This is just Petrol mind you.

So run along with the Indians earn more argument cos they need almost twice the money just to get their Hero Honda’s on the road.

Hello, Pakistan provides far more subsidies to Petrol than India does, because Indians are richer and require less subsidies.

Petrol costs the same everywehre in the world practically. The pump difference in price is due to subsidies and government tax,thats it.

Even the claim that Pakistanis have more $$ in value is false :

india's PPP (value of money) is $ 7749.
Pakistan's PPP (value of money) is $ 5374.

Ie, Indians are, for value of money, 44% richer than Pakistanis are.

 

[R3verse Swing]

India should be the last country to talk of economics when you have one if not the largest population in the world stuck in poverty.

NOBODY thinks of wealth when they think of India. lol

Exactly. Abject/destitute poverty in India is masked by the riches of the few.

If India was the greatest country, provided opportunity, has the best, fastest, stable economy, then Indians would not be desperate to leave India. Bachare lose their Indian citizenship in the process.

In before anyone says it, Pakistan doesn't claim to the best/fastest economy in the world.

 

[cricketjoshila]

lol. On the contrary I'm so happy I am the religion I am.

This is an interesting subject so I will start a thread.
Thats a brilliant response. Exactly put him in his place.

I am talking about what happened centuries ago.Which part of the subcontinent got conquered first ones where my ancestors lived or where yours lived?

Your ancestors lost their land before mine. Lost their religion and culture.

Tells me who were subservient.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I am talking about what happened centuries ago. Why did your ancestors convert? Which part of the subcontinent got conquered first ones were my ancestors lived or where yours lived?

Your ancestors lost their land before mine. Lost their religion and culture.

Tells me who were subservient.

ITs a great thing for me. You seem to think I would be upset by this, on the contrary I am happy i was born into a Muslim family. Millions converted by choice, no subservient minds there.

Anyway I have started a thread about this interesting subject. You can post showing how your ancestors were great heros who sent the Muslims packing, only problem is they didn't.

 

[JaDed]

India should be the last country to talk of economics when you have one if not the largest population in the world stuck in poverty.

NOBODY thinks of wealth when they think of India. lol

Why does it matter what anyone thinks,what's the point you are trying to.make?

 

[R3verse Swing]

Why does it matter what anyone thinks,what's the point you are trying to.make?

Is this a joke? What do you mean by why does it matter what anyone thinks? This thread is about *perception*!

 

[JaDed]

Is this a joke? What do you mean by why does it matter what anyone thinks? This thread is about *perception*!

And it was opened by a Pakistani ,unable to understand why perception of West matters To Desis, I'm assuming you are not from SC and that's why the obsession.

 

[R3verse Swing]

And it was opened by a Pakistani ,unable to understand why perception of West matters To Desis, I'm assuming you are not from SC and that's why the obsession.

Perception of West, yet you assume I am not from the SC? If I am not from the SC, then I must be from the West.

Why do people like you love to undermine yourself?

Just wondering.

 

[JaDed]

Perception of West, yet you assume I am not from the SC? If I am not from the SC, then I must be from the West.

Why do people like you love to undermine yourself?

Just wondering.

Perception of West? Why does it matter? As a Desi in can only talk about my perception of West and not what west thinks of India,which I don't care about anyway.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Perception of West? Why does it matter? As a Desi in can only talk about my perception of West and not what west thinks of India,which I don't care about anyway.

Then why are you posting in this thread? This thread is about the perception of Pakistan and India, from outside of Pakistan/India.

It pays to read.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Is this a joke? What do you mean by why does it matter what anyone thinks? This thread is about *perception*!

The joke is that you accuse me of defending india and throw all kinds of ridicule at me, and then not respond.

It is very rude not to respond to someone.

 

[R3verse Swing]

The joke is that you accuse me of defending india and throw all kinds of ridicule at me, and then not respond.

It is very rude not to respond to someone.

Says the guy who didn't answer my question. India or Bangladesh?

Seriously, is there a full moon out today or something?

 

[JaDed]

Then why are you posting in this thread? This thread is about the perception of Pakistan and India, from outside of Pakistan/India.

It pays to read.

Because I want to know why does it matter to posters about perception of West? This is the right thread to ask that , similar to how before starting any project one asks whether it's needed.
Now answer the question as I answered yours.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Says the guy who didn't answer my question. India or Bangladesh?

Seriously, is there a full moon out today or something?

No, it is waning crescent tonight. But how is that relevant to what I asked, my bully??

 

[R3verse Swing]

Because I want to know why does it matter to posters about perception of West? This is the right thread to ask that , similar to how before starting any project one asks whether it's needed.

Now answer the question as I answered yours.

This thread is not about the perception of the West, but the perception of Pakistan/India from outside of Pakistan/India, ala the West.

You are on a wind up.

 

[R3verse Swing]

No, it is waning crescent tonight. But how is that relevant to what I asked, my bully??

Waning crescent in India or Bangladesh?