Why is there a difference in perception between Pakistan & India in the world?

[AssassinatedDevil]

It should not be lost that it takes a native white british citizen to make a statement about britishness and it shows who is the real guardian of British values.

Same statement could've been made by a non-native British citizen and it would've been interesting nonetheless.

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[CricketCartoons]

Same statement could've been made by a non-native British citizen and it would've been interesting nonetheless.

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Actually only then it would be an interesting comment. Like african americans saying that the white americans are as much americans like anyone else. Or indian muslims saying that indian hindus are as much indian as anyone else.

Don't get me wrong..that would be a great day when it happens.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Why dont you show us some evidence to that effect where he was convicted for the Gujrat Incident that you are taking about ? Should be very easy.

Prediction for how you will respond since there is no court verdict to that effect: Conspiracy theories.

It gets even better - You cant even blame the BJP govt because they werent in power. Hint: Modi Paid off Manmohan Singh and Sonia Gandhi ?

Oh my. Who said Modi was convicted?

I said he was banned in the West because of Gujrat incident.

No surprise Indian court let him off, the people who sill hold him responsible in Gujrat, are just making stuff up of course, right? However the West knew better and banned him.

He was banned, no conspiracy, just a shock to you.

 

[R3verse Swing]

I never said Indian authorities were *NOT* After him. That is entirely your imagination. This is why it helps to read the posts and most importantly understand whats said in the context of the discussion. Start by reading the interpol link I posted. It clearly states in there that he is wanted by Indian Authorities. However it doesn't mean the Interpol will hand him over to India if they dont trust India to provide justice. If that was the case they wouldnt even issue a Red Notice to begin with. But all this requires understanding of how Iterpol Works and it is clear that you know absolutely nothing about it going by your posts. Hence its better you stay out of this as this is beyond your capabilities.




Iam neither your friend nor do I even know you in passing. Stay away from the churlish and peurile comments if you want this to continue.





See your own Posts above starting from Post #437 and 448 lol ... but Feel free to start your usual deadbeat round of victim mentality driven rants pretending that he never set foot in Pakistan.

Duh!

My own posts? I never once said he was in Pakistan. I merely asked if he was why don't interpol come in charging to arrest him, why don't India request his handover.

You made the claim DA is in Pakistan for 30 years, but clearly have no evidence.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Going by your hilarious High School logic (where everything is a conspiracy if you dont agree with the outcome but Everything is perfectly legal and divine if it suits your opinions ) then yes.

But if you want to go by real world standards then it becomes complicated for you. Because you firstly have to undo your logic that you learnt in Lahore.

So got any real proof that Modi was exonorated for money and that they werent interested in money ? If not then I can quite easily type the opposite of what you type. Your word against mine.

But in the real world - Modi's ban was reveresed unconditionally by the UK even before he became the PM after they realized the mistake. Too bad that it blows a big hole in your theory and upsets you. Deal with it.




Everything you say is irrelevnt. Why ? Because I said so. You think only you can come up with obtuse deadbeat arguments lol ?


The Brits ruled Pakistan too and fubared it even more ... perhaps they dont teach that in Lahore.





read the entire context ... cant be bothered to rehash and retype.




Upset ? lol you worry about the ENTIRE world looking at your country as the staunch supporter of Osama - the deadliest Islamic terrorist there ever was. Must be difficult to cope with that but hey you can always claim to be Indian you know to get rid of the awkward situation

You are rehashing your own argument above.

Give me something fresh to dissect.

The facts do not change. Modi was banned. No one claimed BJP was in power then, doesn't make a difference. Modi was banned and as PM, it does not just his past.

 

[CricketCartoons]

You are rehashing your own argument above.

Give me something fresh to dissect.

The facts do not change. Modi was banned. No one claimed BJP was in power then, doesn't make a difference. Modi was banned and as PM, it does not just his past.

What do you think was the reason UK banned him then welcomed him when he became the PM. Was it for the indian money? So UK moral's are up for sale.

 

[R3verse Swing]

What do you think was the reason UK banned him then welcomed him when he became the PM. Was it for the indian money? So UK moral's are up for sale.

That's precisely what I have been saying. Ban was lifted due to money. The sudden interest in India is because of money. The media setting a positive perception of India is because of money. Not because of Yoga.

You don't need to tell me UK morals are up for sale but don't think for a minute the West cares about India because India is special, no its all about money.

 

[CricketCartoons]

That's precisely what I have been saying. Ban was lifted due to money. The sudden interest in India is because of money. The media setting a positive perception of India is because of money. Not because of Yoga.

You don't need to tell me UK morals are up for sale but don't think for a minute the West cares about India because India is special, no its all about money.

Ok, so that is cleared that you also agree that UK's moral stand is up for sale and UK is promiscuous.

The begs the question, if the UK is so promiscuous morally why couldn't be the ban because of the then indian government in power, as modi was their political adversary? The ban could have been bought by indian govt.

 

[dhonixi]

So india has better perception due to money(economy) but this doesn't tell us that why pakistan has negative perception instead of being neutral perception. Some of the logics here by some esteemed posters..

 

[cricketjoshila]

Indians need to get rid of this subservient nature inside them . You are a huge county and don’t need the blessing of the Americans to make you feel important. No wonder the British easily took over India .

We know which countrys sovereignity is violated with impunity by US with regular drone strikes.Which country is subservient to Arabs and cant do a thing if Saudis object and are now literally on the leash of the chinese.

We are important and we know it. World leaders are lining up to visit India, wonder how many have visited Pakistan in last 5 years.

 

[cricketjoshila]

https://www.economist.com/news/asia...t-bangladeshs-gdp-person-now-higher-pakistans


Anyone having doubts on BDs per capita income being more than Pakistan.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Ok, so that is cleared that you also agree that UK's moral stand is up for sale and UK is promiscuous.

The begs the question, if the UK is so promiscuous morally why couldn't be the ban because of the then indian government in power, as modi was their political adversary? The ban could have been bought by indian govt.

Clear? It's been clear as daylight for pages!

It is simple. UK did not rate India. Not after rinsing the country dry. Why would UK still respect India after what the UK did?

A ban in India doesn't have the same legality in UK. It's widely known India's Supreme Court is a kangaroo court, and with the lack of corruption laws, UK had to draw the line. That is until the crash of 2008.

 

[R3verse Swing]

So india has better perception due to money(economy) but this doesn't tell us that why pakistan has negative perception instead of being neutral perception. Some of the logics here by some esteemed posters..

Pakistan has a negative perception to appease India. Simple logic.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Bloomberg, CIA Factbook, IMF all state Pakistan's GDP/capita is higher than Bangladesh. No random article can change thie official data. Better luck next year.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Clear? It's been clear as daylight for pages!

It is simple. UK did not rate India. Not after rinsing the country dry. Why would UK still respect India after what the UK did?

A ban in India doesn't have the same legality in UK. It's widely known India's Supreme Court is a kangaroo court, and with the lack of corruption laws, UK had to draw the line. That is until the crash of 2008.

I am also slow at picking things, so excuse the delay in coming to this conclusion.

That UK is morally promiscuous therefore beghairat. Even my equally loyal non native dual british citizen friend agrees.

Exactly, the indian supreme court is a kangaroo court, that is why it is baffling that it let modi go, when the power was with congress who never wanted modi to rise. Why do you think that happened, that the kangaroo court gave a verdict against those in power?

When you have agreed that UK is beghairat, it is hard to take their stand of banning modi seriously. That was also likely bought by the indian congress government.

 

[R3verse Swing]

India Ranks 62, Behind China And Pakistan, On Inclusive Development Index

https://www.bloombergquint.com/glob...a-and-pakistan-on-inclusive-development-index

The 2018 index, which measures the progress of 103 economies on three individual pillars -- growth and development; inclusion; and inter-generational equity -- has been divided into two parts. The first part covers 29 advanced economies and the second 74 emerging economies

So it begins. India falling behind China and Pakistan. CPEC hasn't even kicked in yet.

I predict a state visit for Pakistan's leader soon.

 

[CricketCartoons]

India Ranks 62, Behind China And Pakistan, On Inclusive Development Index

https://www.bloombergquint.com/glob...a-and-pakistan-on-inclusive-development-index



So it begins. India falling behind China and Pakistan. CPEC hasn't even kicked in yet.

I predict a state visit for Pakistan's leader soon.

The thread is about outside perception, which metric do you think is the best measure for that?

 

[R3verse Swing]

I am also slow at picking things, so excuse the delay in coming to this conclusion.

That UK is morally promiscuous therefore beghairat. Even my equally loyal non native dual british citizen friend agrees.

Exactly, the indian supreme court is a kangaroo court, that is why it is baffling that it let modi go, when the power was with congress who never wanted modi to rise. Why do you think that happened, that the kangaroo court gave a verdict against those in power?

When you have agreed that UK is beghairat, it is hard to take their stand of banning modi seriously. That was also likely bought by the indian congress government.

Oh yes UK is beghairat, you won't hear any argument from me. If it's hard to take their stance of Modi seriously you can imagine how serious they are with their stance on India as a whole.

China is no different. 20 years ago China was public enemy #1. Communist this communist that, but do to China's economy all changed. State visits, trade deals, and diplomatic ties increased. So you see, India isn't special, what is special to the UK, is money. That's it.

 

[R3verse Swing]

The thread is about outside perception, which metric do you think is the best measure for that?

I'm surprised you did not make the same comment when false data on Bangladesh's GDP was refuted. But since the data you comment puts India behind Pakistan you feel you need to question it's relevance.

Well the relevance is that perception of a successful Pakistan is once again suppressed by the media. However economists are proving a clear perception of Pakistan, from the outside by highlighting the economic facts.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Oh yes UK is beghairat, you won't hear any argument from me. If it's hard to take their stance of Modi seriously you can imagine how serious they are with their stance on India as a whole.

China is no different. 20 years ago China was public enemy #1. Communist this communist that, but do to China's economy all changed. State visits, trade deals, and diplomatic ties increased. So you see, India isn't special, what is special to the UK, is money. That's it.

Glad that we are on the same page here.

1. UK govt is beghairat.
2. Its stand should not be taken seriously.

Now, the debate remains: how to measure outside perception.

 

[CricketCartoons]

I'm surprised you did not make the same comment when false data on Bangladesh's GDP was refuted. But since the data you comment puts India behind Pakistan you feel you need to question it's relevance.

Well the relevance is that perception of a successful Pakistan is once again suppressed by the media. However economists are proving a clear perception of Pakistan, from the outside by highlighting the economic facts.

Bangladesh is not what this thread is about, so i don't need to comment on that.

Tell me what do you think is the best measure of outside perception of a country?

 

[R3verse Swing]

Bangladesh is not what this thread is about, so i don't need to comment on that.

Tell me what do you think is the best measure of outside perception of a country?

Indian destitute poverty was also highlighted in this thread and India is part of thread. So at least play the game fairly.

The best measure of perception from the outside? Perception is reality as the saying goes. The truth is a good measure to begin with, but we know how the media can bend and sensationalise the truth.

 

[Indiafan]

Duh!

My own posts? I never once said he was in Pakistan. I merely asked if he was why don't interpol come in charging to arrest him, why don't India request his handover.

You made the claim DA is in Pakistan for 30 years, but clearly have no evidence.

interpol doesn't work like that. You have been reading too many spy novels. And india has requested multiple times

 

[R3verse Swing]

interpol doesn't work like that. You have been reading too many spy novels. And india has requested multiple times

I know how interpol works. *coming in charging* is a figure of speech.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Indian destitute poverty was also highlighted in this thread and India is part of thread. So at least play the game fairly.

The best measure of perception from the outside? Perception is reality as the saying goes. The truth is a good measure to begin with, but we know how the media can bend and sensationalise the truth.

Are you seriously complaining why I didnt react to every post? Do you ask the same to everyone on why they are silent on some posts and vocal on others? Very poor attempt at deflecting the discussion when I want to bring it on track.

truth, which truth? That is very vague. I wanted a metric, just like GDP is a good metric to measure economies, what would be the best metric to measure perception of countries? Then we can take this thread to its natural conclusion.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Are you seriously complaining why I didnt react to every post? Do you ask the same to everyone on why they are silent on some posts and vocal on others? Very poor attempt at deflecting the discussion when I want to bring it on track.

truth, which truth? That is very vague. I wanted a metric, just like GDP is a good metric to measure economies, what would be the best metric to measure perception of countries? Then we can take this thread to its natural conclusion.

I was just pointing out your selective defence. You questioning the relevance of economic data in this thread. When India is ahead you are silent, when Pakistan is ahead, you comment.

Back to your point on truth. There is no one metric. Though let's start with social metrics. Poverty, crime, and education. Numbers which shed light on the reality of the state in Pakistan/india.

 

[Snak3eye5]

That's precisely what I have been saying. Ban was lifted due to money. The sudden interest in India is because of money. The media setting a positive perception of India is because of money. Not because of Yoga.

You don't need to tell me UK morals are up for sale but don't think for a minute the West cares about India because India is special, no its all about money.

Ok this arguement makes no sense.So the west/ Uk cares about money from India so that it lifted the ban on Modi presumably only because he became pm ? What are you smoking ? Do you not see how silly this sounds or just arguing for sake of it.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Ok this arguement makes no sense.So the west/ Uk cares about money from India so that it lifted the ban on Modi presumably only because he became pm ? What are you smoking ? Do you not see how silly this sounds or just arguing for sake of it.

Which part of West only cares about money and not India did you not understand? What part of perception of India in the West is bolstered by the media because of greed, did you not understand?

In other words India is not special by any stretch of the imagination, as Indians would like to believe. Ergo the perception of Pakistan vs India is all down to greed of western governments. Get it?

 

[CricketCartoons]

I was just pointing out your selective defence. You questioning the relevance of economic data in this thread. When India is ahead you are silent, when Pakistan is ahead, you comment.

Back to your point on truth. There is no one metric. Though let's start with social metrics. Poverty, crime, and education. Numbers which shed light on the reality of the state in Pakistan/india.

Grow up, will you. I mean you are already grown up, so act your age. and don't be so insecure.

I asked which metric do you think best measures perception, didn't question the relevance of anything. It is your own insecurity that you feel challenged when a simple question is put forward and you think you will lose online reputation if your point is proven wrong.

I haven't even defended india yet, in fact would be going out of character if i start defending it. So far I have defended single citizenship as superior to dual citizenship, if you think that is defence of india, can't help it.

I mean, even you don't defend UK and have agreed UK is beghairat.

So after expressing your insecurity now you list that social metrics would be a good start. Fair enough, you could have answered that earlier without getting paranoid.

Looks like you agree that India has a better perception, but you think that it is nor fair and is influenced by beghairat western media when it reality there is not much separating india and pakistan. If you do, we are on the same page.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Grow up, will you. I mean you are already grown up, so act your age. and don't be so insecure.

I asked which metric do you think best measures perception, didn't question the relevance of anything. It is your own insecurity that you feel challenged when a simple question is put forward and you think you will lose online reputation if your point is proven wrong.

I haven't even defended india yet, in fact would be going out of character if i start defending it. So far I have defended single citizenship as superior to dual citizenship, if you think that is defence of india, can't help it.

I mean, even you don't defend UK and have agreed UK is beghairat.

So after expressing your insecurity now you list that social metrics would be a good start. Fair enough, you could have answered that earlier without getting paranoid.

Looks like you agree that India has a better perception, but you think that it is nor fair and is influenced by beghairat western media when it reality there is not much separating india and pakistan. If you do, we are on the same page.

Grow up?

I see you are not inclined to discuss metric such as poverty, crime, and education. I can understand why because reality is much different to perception, and there's no amount of reverse psychology that can change this. You can claim insecurity, but clearly that's on your side. What are you afraid of?

I won't defend the UK government. Why should I when time and time again I have explained the UK government is a hypocrite.

I don't agree with anything you claim I do.

You mentioned GDP as a metric because India has a large GDP, but come back with the nonsense above when other metrics are mentioned which put India at the bottom of the pile. Selective metric much?

Incidentally GDP is not an accurate metric, if it were then African nations are the fastest growing economies in the world.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Grow up?

I see you are not inclined to discuss metric such as poverty, crime, and education. I can understand why because reality is much different to perception, and there's no amount of reverse psychology that can change this. You can claim insecurity, but clearly that's on your side. What are you afraid of?

I won't defend the UK government. Why should I when time and time again I have explained the UK government is a hypocrite.

I don't agree with anything you claim I do.

You mentioned GDP as a metric because India has a large GDP, but come back with the nonsense above when other metrics are mentioned which put India at the bottom of the pile. Selective metric much?

Incidentally GDP is not an accurate metric, if it were then African nations are the fastest growing economies in the world.

Your paranoia in full exhibition again?

Of course I want to discuss the metrics that is why I asked which metric do you think is best to measure perception. But your insecurity causes you to see things. Seriously act you age. You will be touching 50 soon.

Afraid of what? That India will be proved to be a third world country? and that will cause me to feel humiliated? You are only projecting your own fears and insecurity on me.

I didn't even suggest GDP, i merely said that is an example of a metric. because you gave vague answer of truth when I wanted you to suggest a metric. so i had to remind you what exactly a metric is. Sorry that I couldnt give you the metric of your own choice, as I don't know how deep your paranoia is that you get threatened by a mere question.

Let us get back to the topic on hand. Do you agree that India has a better perception and you think that it is because of western media and beghairat nations like the UK. Do you also think there is not much separating india and pakistan, and both are third world hell holes. ( I am asking, feel free to correct me with what you actually think).

 

[R3verse Swing]

Your paranoia in full exhibition again?

Of course I want to discuss the metrics that is why I asked which metric do you think is best to measure perception. But your insecurity causes you to see things. Seriously act you age. You will be touching 50 soon.

Afraid of what? That India will be proved to be a third world country? and that will cause me to feel humiliated? You are only projecting your own fears and insecurity on me.

I didn't even suggest GDP, i merely said that is an example of a metric. because you gave vague answer of truth when I wanted you to suggest a metric. so i had to remind you what exactly a metric is. Sorry that I couldnt give you the metric of your own choice, as I don't know how deep your paranoia is that you get threatened by a mere question.

Let us get back to the topic on hand. Do you agree that India has a better perception and you think that it is because of western media and beghairat nations like the UK. Do you also think there is not much separating india and pakistan, and both are third world hell holes. ( I am asking, feel free to correct me with what you actually think).

You didn’t suggest GDP, but provided it as an example of a metric? Wow. If that's not a suggestion then what is it?

The title of the thread is “WHY is there a difference in perception between Pakistani & Indians in the world” – I have explained why, greed. Which part are you not understanding? The title is not “Which perception is better?”

You have come in on the back end of a conversation topic and feel I agree with you not realising you are agreeing with me with respect to UK government’s hypocrisy. You should have read the thread in full before getting all excited.

You still do not understand how money changes the rules. You fail to understand how the media in the West favours India because of money, not because of Indian culture or Indian people as Indians would like to believe. You are still asking me what my POV is on perception of India vs Pakistan despite me explaining it numerous times! What do you want, proof?

You epitomise everything about the reality of India. Superiority and Numbers. That’s all that matters to you, which is why you boast when Indian numbers are ahead of Pakistan, but whimper when Pakistan is ahead on numbers..

You are afraid to discuss the metrics, even though you asked for them! This is the only way your knee jerk response can be explained. The metrics which shatter the false perception of India. You know it, I know it. But no, you want to stick with GDP, because deep down you feel GDP is the only metric which upholds a falsehood. Well you are in a way correct, because greed is the reason behind India’s perception in the world today, and if the world was aware of the reality in India, then the perception would change.

Save this *back to topic* malarkey. You wanted to get back on topic by discussing metrics to which I obliged, then you imploded. So when you are brave enough to discuss metrics, beginning with poverty, crime, and education, and GDP, we will have a discussion. Until then, laters!

Best!

 

[CricketCartoons]

You didn’t suggest GDP, but provided it as an example of a metric? Wow. If that's not a suggestion then what is it?

The title of the thread is “WHY is there a difference in perception between Pakistani & Indians in the world” – I have explained why, greed. Which part are you not understanding? The title is not “Which perception is better?”

You have come in on the back end of a conversation topic and feel I agree with you not realising you are agreeing with me with respect to UK government’s hypocrisy. You should have read the thread in full before getting all excited.

You still do not understand how money changes the rules. You fail to understand how the media in the West favours India because of money, not because of Indian culture or Indian people as Indians would like to believe. You are still asking me what my POV is on perception of India vs Pakistan despite me explaining it numerous times! What do you want, proof?

You epitomise everything about the reality of India. Superiority and Numbers. That’s all that matters to you, which is why you boast when Indian numbers are ahead of Pakistan, but whimper when Pakistan is ahead on numbers..

You are afraid to discuss the metrics, even though you asked for them! This is the only way your knee jerk response can be explained. The metrics which shatter the false perception of India. You know it, I know it. But no, you want to stick with GDP, because deep down you feel GDP is the only metric which upholds a falsehood. Well you are in a way correct, because greed is the reason behind India’s perception in the world today, and if the world was aware of the reality in India, then the perception would change.

Save this *back to topic* malarkey. You wanted to get back on topic by discussing metrics to which I obliged, then you imploded. So when you are brave enough to discuss metrics, beginning with poverty, crime, and education, and GDP, we will have a discussion. Until then, laters!

Best!

LOL. You are funny. To go on a rant because you got threatened by a mere question. See, I can talk to you in your language, but that will be my defeat.

What is the reason that you think everyone is out there to humiliate you? Your passive aggression betrays your self doubts. I would engage in likewise banter if I was sure you were putting up an act, but it seems that it is not an act, I don't want to make fun of your insecurities and want to be as polite as possible, so that you get warm and cosy and don't feel under attack.

Ok, so you agree with that India has a better perception and it is due to western greed. As india either offers something to the west which pakistan doesn't, or india is ready to be exploited by the west and pakistan is hard to be. What do you think it is, the huge indian market?

 

[R3verse Swing]

Ok, so you agree with that India has a better perception and it is due to western greed india either offers something to the west which pakistan doesn't, or india is ready to be exploited by the west and pakistan is hard to be. What do you think it is, the huge indian market?

Is this guy for real? He says greed, then asks what is it that India offers that Pakistan doesn’t?

Forget talking in my language, which is English in this thread, he doesn’t even realise he is answering his own questions!

 

[CricketCartoons]

Is this guy for real? He says greed, then asks what is it that India offers that Pakistan doesn’t?

Forget talking in my language, which is English in this thread, he doesn’t even realise he is answering his own questions!

Relax. I am not out to get you. I am not leading you into a trap.

I asked to confirm what you mean. Because you get so worked up and threatened by my questions, I am trying to be as soft as possible.

Ok, so it is confirmed, you think it is just the size of the indian economy which has caused the better perception of india among the western nations who are driven by greed.

 

[R3verse Swing]

You are setting your own traps, and trapping yourself.

You are trying to be as soft as possible? No need to try, 3 metrics and the insecurity seeped right through.

I shudder to think how you post when feeling hard.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Ok, so it is confirmed, you think it is just the size of the indian economy which has caused the better perception of india among the western nations who are driven by greed.

And he's still singing this hymn. I wonder if he read my fist 2 posts in this thread instead of making a fool out of himself by repeating what I had said early on.

Back end of a conversation specialist.

 

[CricketCartoons]

You are setting your own traps, and trapping yourself.

You are trying to be as soft as possible? No need to try, 3 metrics and the insecurity seeped right through.

I shudder to think how you post when feeling hard.

My liar dost. the moment I asked you for a metric, your insecurity came to the fore and you assumed I was questioning the relevance of data. The reason I asked for a metric was so that we could discuss them, but instead I had to spend time reassuring you that I come in good faith and there is no need to fear me.

Before we discuss the metrics of your choice, what is your stand on them? 1. That Pakistan has better social indicators than India? or 2. Pakistan is not a third world hell hole unlike India.

This will make clear what kind of debate we want to have.

 

[CricketCartoons]

And he's still singing this hymn. I wonder if he read my fist 2 posts in this thread instead of making a fool out of himself by repeating what I had said early on.

Back end of a conversation specialist.

If I repeat something you said, it makes me a fool? Why is that.

 

[R3verse Swing]

My liar dost. the moment I asked you for a metric, your insecurity came to the fore and you assumed I was questioning the relevance of data. The reason I asked for a metric was so that we could discuss them, but instead I had to spend time reassuring you that I come in good faith and there is no need to fear me.

Before we discuss the metrics of your choice, what is your stand on them? 1. That Pakistan has better social indicators than India? or 2. Pakistan is not a third world hell hole unlike India.

This will make clear what kind of debate we want to have.

Save it. You had your chance. I am not here to provide closure for my insecure and superior 'bhai'.

You keep coming back for more. You don't read my posts, you don't realise your points have been answered by me in clear and concise posts. You don't even realise you end up agreeing with me!

Basically you are just looking for a pat on your back, and an approval. Why doesn't this surprise me.

 

[R3verse Swing]

If I repeat something you said, it makes me a fool? Why is that.

Because what you repeat you agree with.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Save it. You had your chance. I am not here to provide closure for my insecure and superior 'bhai'.

You keep coming back for more. You don't read my posts, you don't realise your points have been answered by me in clear and concise posts. You don't even realise you end up agreeing with me!

Basically you are just looking for a pat on your back, and an approval. Why doesn't this surprise me.

I do realize that we end up agreeing, and that pleases me.

Like we agreed that UK is beghairat.

Having same opinion as yours is not a matter of shame. But it is difficult to get your opinion in clear consice terms as your posts are littered with noise and the signal to noise ratio is very low.

So why are you running away when I am ready to discuss the metrics ( of your choice). What are you afraid of? I am not like your typical indian posters out to humiliate you.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Because what you repeat you agree with.

Agreeing with you makes me a fool? Then that would make two of us.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Agreeing with you makes me a fool? Then that would make two of us.

No. Agreeing with me, then asking me why you agree me, makes you a fool. I thought this was pretty obvious.

As for running away. On the contrary. It was you who ran away when metric were pointed out at YOUR request, now you coming running back.

This ain't no filmy scene set in the wilderness. You had you chance for a debate on the metrics, then went on a rant cos your pride was and insecurity exposed.

So feel free to run around. You are free!

 

[CricketCartoons]

No. Agreeing with me, then asking me why you agree me, makes you a fool. I thought this was pretty obvious.

As for running away. On the contrary. It was you who ran away, now coming running back.

This ain't no filmy scene set in the wilderness. You had you chance for a debate on the metrics, then went on a rant cos your pride was and insecurity exposed.

So feel free to run around. You are free!

When did I run away? You could have always tagged me and I would have responded.

Your reluctance, nay, refusal in engaging in a debate, when I have given you the advantage of discussing the metrics of your choice, shows that you are afraid. I wonder why, when I have been all friendly and have given you the respect you deserve as an elder.

Agreeing with me, then asking me why you agree me..

PS: please frame this sentence better, it makes no sense.

 

[R3verse Swing]

When did I run away? You could have always tagged me and I would have responded.

Your reluctance, nay, refusal in engaging in a debate, when I have given you the advantage of discussing the metrics of your choice, shows that you are afraid. I wonder why, when I have been all friendly and have given you the respect you deserve as an elder.


PS: please frame this sentence better, it makes no sense.

My superior bhai

It is my mistake, I made a judgement error. I thought I’d give you the benefit of the doubt, despite your previous performance.

You requested metrics, you got them, then crumbled like a cookie (see what I did here?) and went off on a rant about insecurity and god knows what sits in the back of your mind. Then you come back pleading for a debate again. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

You end up agreeing with me (eventually), then question why you agree with me. I cannot answer this, only you can.

So, I pat you on your back, I approve of your superiority, I anoint you with praise - you are the best! Bale bale!

Have a good day.

 

[CricketCartoons]

My superior bhai

It is my mistake, I made a judgement error. I thought I’d give you the benefit of the doubt, despite your previous performance.

You requested metrics, you got them, then crumbled like a cookie (see what I did here?) and went off on a rant about insecurity and god knows what sits in the back of your mind. Then you come back pleading for a debate again. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

You end up agreeing with me (eventually), then question why you agree with me. I cannot answer this, only you can.

So, I pat you on your back, I approve of your superiority, I anoint you with praise - you are the best! Bale bale!

Have a good day.

I told you the reason why it takes me long to understand you. The low signal to noise ratio in your posts, and my own slowness. To be fair, I was confused as I thought you were defending UK earlier. Later when I realized that you and I hold the same opinion that UK is beghairat and should not be taken seriously was when I started liking you.
SO bear with me. You spend so many hours with other posters, who don't even give you respect, so why not give me more of your time?

Let us discuss the metrics of your choice. Please please. * looks at you with kitten eyes *

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It should not be lost that it takes a native white british citizen to make a statement about britishness and it shows who is the real guardian of British values.

No, I made similar points several times but you refused to accept it and declared you would only accept the verdict of a native white Brit as opposed to a non-native one. Obviously for you and your sort the white skin carries some extra gravitas. Ironic that an Indian term the 'British Raj' would turn out to be a pale skin.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Glad that we are on the same page here.

1. UK govt is beghairat.
2. Its stand should not be taken seriously.

Now, the debate remains: how to measure outside perception.

Easy. Don't put too much store by it, unless you live your whole life on being vindicated by outsiders.

 

[CricketCartoons]

No, I made similar points several times but you refused to accept it and declared you would only accept the verdict of a native white Brit as opposed to a non-native one. Obviously for you and your sort the white skin carries some extra gravitas. Ironic that an Indian term the 'British Raj' would turn out to be a pale skin.

Sorry if I dont take you seriously, because your reputation as a master troll precedes you. At least James is sincere in his opinions, even if his ilk are a minority in UK.

 

[CricketCartoons]

No, I made similar points several times but you refused to accept it and declared you would only accept the verdict of a native white Brit as opposed to a non-native one. Obviously for you and your sort the white skin carries some extra gravitas. Ironic that an Indian term the 'British Raj' would turn out to be a pale skin.

And you are lying. I never said I will accept the verdict of a native white Brit. Quote me if you can ( you can't).

I only said I will count the opinion of a native white Brit. I won't count opinions of trolls or people who are from ethnic minorities if they make a statement about what the majority native white brits think.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Wow.

So the opinion of the West only counts if the person is a native white Brit, but we should count the opinion of India from a Bangladeshi.

Another self induced trap.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Wow.

So the opinion of the West only counts if the person is a native white Brit, but we should count the opinion of India from a Bangladeshi.

Another self induced trap.

Please quote me so that I don't miss your post directed at me.

I never asked you to count my opinion. Least bothered.

And the opinion of the native white Brit counts, not because of them being white, but them being the majority. When a ethnic minority makes an opinion ( unless backed by facts ) about what the majority white think, at best it represents the view of the ethnicity he comes from ( and means nothing if he is a troll ).

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

And you are lying. I never said I will accept the verdict of a native white Brit. Quote me if you can ( you can't).

I only said I will count the opinion of a native white Brit. I won't count opinions of trolls or people who are from ethnic minorities if they make a statement about what the majority native white brits think.

Well, now you've got the opinion of the native white Brit, and it pretty much confirms what I was saying all along, so hope that 'counts' for you. You and I both know that some people can only understand their own language, so those who think they are being trolled probably are probably wearing spectacles with that bias. Personally I consider my work to be an opportunity for self reflection.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Well, now you've got the opinion of the native white Brit, and it pretty much confirms what I was saying all along, so hope that 'counts' for you. You and I both know that some people can only understand their own language, so those who think they are being trolled probably are probably wearing spectacles with that bias. Personally I consider my work to be an opportunity for self reflection.

Yes, it counts for me as it is a sincere opinion, and coming from the right demography. But is it a verdict? NO. He is a minority. He didn't vote for Brexit. He has read the Qura'an. His represents the minority among the native Brits.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Sorry if I dont take you seriously, because your reputation as a master troll precedes you. At least James is sincere in his opinions, even if his ilk are a minority in UK.

Consider it like this. If someone knocks on your door and says

"good morning, you look great, what a wonderful home you have and my what beautiful children in that photo!"

Then you will probably say

" Why thank you! You are looking well yourself, how is the family, please come in and let us have some tea and refreshments!"

But if they knock on your door and say

"Hello, my word, I didn't realise you lived in such a cheap neighbourhood, your wife should join weightwatchers by the way....and what's that awful smell?"

Then you might greet them with less warmth and enthusiasm I would guess.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Back on topic....why is it that India is perceived as much better by the outside world than Pakistan. What a wonderful debate so far with so many contributions from friends and well wishers from around the globe giving their unbiased opinion. Let the debate continue!

 

[KingKhanWC]

We know which countrys sovereignity is violated with impunity by US with regular drone strikes.Which country is subservient to Arabs and cant do a thing if Saudis object and are now literally on the leash of the chinese.

We are important and we know it. World leaders are lining up to visit India, wonder how many have visited Pakistan in last 5 years.

I dont see Pakistani posters always pointing out America is behind them etc. You seem to want the blessings of America in every thing you do. This is why the perception of India being subservient throughout history and now is fair.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Consider it like this. If someone knocks on your door and says

"good morning, you look great, what a wonderful home you have and my what beautiful children in that photo!"

Then you will probably say

" Why thank you! You are looking well yourself, how is the family, please come in and let us have some tea and refreshments!"

But if they knock on your door and say

"Hello, my word, I didn't realise you lived in such a cheap neighbourhood, your wife should join weightwatchers by the way....and what's that awful smell?"

Then you might greet them with less warmth and enthusiasm I would guess.

Captain. You need not tell me that. I have followed you since you used to present balanced opinions, and became a hunter when there was a rise in certain species. I love to irritate you ( at least I try) because you are the best. I hope you don't take my banter with you seriously.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Captain. You need not tell me that. I have followed you since you used to present balanced opinions, and became a hunter when there was a rise in certain species. I love to irritate you ( at least I try) because you are the best. I hope you don't take my banter with you seriously.

Not at all CC, I always see the real message in your posts/rants/appreciations, you are the yin to the yang. If I say de-partition you say partition 2.0. Thus the reader gets a full spectrum of opinion then can choose the direction they prefer for themselves.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I dont see Pakistani posters always pointing out America is behind them etc. You seem to want the blessings of America in every thing you do. This is why the perception of India being subservient throughout history and now is fair.

Posters seem to be fine stating Modi was refused US visa once but seem to ignore that he addressed the US congress to thundering applause and the US President praised him in his article in Time magazine.

Before 1947 Indians and Pakistanis were the same, so any so called history is shared so if in your opinion its show subservience, its the same perception for Pakistanis as well.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Posters seem to be fine stating Modi was refused US visa once but seem to ignore that he addressed the US congress to thundering applause and the US President praised him in his article in Time magazine.

Before 1947 Indians and Pakistanis were the same, so any so called history is shared so if in your opinion its show subservience, its the same perception for Pakistanis as well.

Indians is the euphemism for hindus. It sounds less bigoted when you talk about a nationality instead of a religion/race, but you know what is meant when a remark is made about indians..it is the hindus being talked about.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Applause and praise in the Time magazine. Wow. If this is something to brag about in the sense of achievements then it pretty much reveals the low standards Indians subscribe to. It's not like Modi was the only leader in the world to receive applause and praise! Such is the low perception that small things account for great achievements.

Speaking of which, Stalin (twice), Hitler, Trump, and Putin, were named Time persons of the year. So Modi is with good company.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Please quote me so that I don't miss your post directed at me.

I never asked you to count my opinion. Least bothered.

And the opinion of the native white Brit counts, not because of them being white, but them being the majority. When a ethnic minority makes an opinion ( unless backed by facts ) about what the majority white think, at best it represents the view of the ethnicity he comes from ( and means nothing if he is a troll ).

I don't value your opinion in this thread. By your own thinking and logic, you are in no position to pass comment on Pakistan/Indian perception being a Bangladeshi.

If you are least bothered with my opinion then why are you gagging for debate/responding to my posts?

 

[R3verse Swing]

I dont see Pakistani posters always pointing out America is behind them etc. You seem to want the blessings of America in every thing you do. This is why the perception of India being subservient throughout history and now is fair.

This is a pertinent point. I don't think there is any nation on earth barring India that craves for praise (and applause) from other nations.

This sums up the subservient perception of India on the world stage.

 

[TM Riddle]

Posters seem to be fine stating Modi was refused US visa once but seem to ignore that he addressed the US congress to thundering applause and the US President praised him in his article in Time magazine.

Before 1947 Indians and Pakistanis were the same, so any so called history is shared so if in your opinion its show subservience, its the same perception for Pakistanis as well.

What I find hilarious is though when People like KKWC claim about Hindus being ruled by Muslims for a thousand years. I have repeatedly asked him about when was this exact time when Muslims ruled India for a millenium and he seems to ignore it everytime. I mean sure if you count Punjab and Ganga Yamuna doab as India then I agree with you.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Should point out a small detail. Modi wasn't just denied a VISA in the USA, he was banned. The difference is that a person who is denied a VISA can reapply.

We should also remember that USA is more corrupt than UK government. USA was praising OBL when fighting the war against Afghanistan, we know the rest.

Don't take applause as a seal of approval.

 

[Traveller55]

This is a pertinent point. I don't think there is any nation on earth barring India that craves for praise (and applause) from other nations.

This sums up the subservient perception of India on the world stage.

This is funny, since I feel no nation on the planet craves praise and acceptance more than Pakistan does from its Arab masters.
Hence all the kerfuffle here and in Pak media when Modi or India gets treated well in Arab countries.

 

[ManFan]

This is funny, since I feel no nation on the planet craves praise and acceptance more than Pakistan does from its Arab masters.
Hence all the kerfuffle here and in Pak media when Modi or India gets treated well in Arab countries.

Arab masters?

 

[Traveller55]

I dont see Pakistani posters always pointing out America is behind them etc. You seem to want the blessings of America in every thing you do. This is why the perception of India being subservient throughout history and now is fair.

No, Pakistani posters always harp on how the Arab world is behind them or how its so unfair to the Pakistanis when the Arabs shower India with attention and not Pakistan.

I guess India aspires approval of the global dominant giant , while Pakistan aspires for approval of people who can't even make their own screwdrivers and rely on others to dig stuff up under their own soil to sell and religious tourism.

And that, in a nutshell, explains why India is looked upon far more favorably than Pakistan in the world.

 

[Traveller55]

Arab masters?

Yep. Pakistan has long-since displayed subservient behavior to the Arabs- sending in planes to fight the arab wars (on Arab behest), declaring that their nukes are 'Islamic nukes available to protect Islam', ie, Arabs can rent-a-nuke if they wish, then get all angry and mollified when Arab nations treat Modi and India with deference.

Its the similar behavour a pet has towards its master when another pet/competition (such as a romantic partner) enters the picture.

 

[ManFan]

No, Pakistani posters always harp on how the Arab world is behind them or how its so unfair to the Pakistanis when the Arabs shower India with attention and not Pakistan.

I guess India aspires approval of the global dominant giant , while Pakistan aspires for approval of people who can't even make their own screwdrivers and rely on others to dig stuff up under their own soil to sell and religious tourism.

And that, in a nutshell, explains why India is looked upon far more favorably than Pakistan in the world.

India is looked as "The World's Largest Democracy" while Pakistan is looked as "Islamic Republic".
India has better education, trade, workforce, overseas residents and a global entertainment juggernaut.

 

[Traveller55]

India is looked as "The World's Largest Democracy" while Pakistan is looked as "Islamic Republic".
India has better education, trade, workforce, overseas residents and a global entertainment juggernaut.

All true. And all to the point. But you may want to tell that to the ones living in denial, such as KKWC or RS, who think that India's rosier picture worldwide is because the west wants to 'scam Indian wealth again and so must promote India and look down upon Pakistan'.

 

[ManFan]

Yep. Pakistan has long-since displayed subservient behavior to the Arabs- sending in planes to fight the arab wars (on Arab behest), declaring that their nukes are 'Islamic nukes available to protect Islam', ie, Arabs can rent-a-nuke if they wish, then get all angry and mollified when Arab nations treat Modi and India with deference.

Its the similar behavour a pet has towards its master when another pet/competition (such as a romantic partner) enters the picture.

This is because the public confuses Muslim brotherhood with politics which the politicians eat up.
Nawaz Sharif once said that the Gods Hindus pray to are the same as ours. Now normally, he would get beheaded. But since he is the PM, he gets let off the hook. The religious restrictions are a pawn in their game to control their masses and line their pockets. They wouldn't know right from wrong in Islam if they were truly Muslim.

 

[ManFan]

All true. And all to the point. But you may want to tell that to the ones living in denial, such as KKWC or RS, who think that India's rosier picture worldwide is because the west wants to 'scam Indian wealth again and so must promote India and look down upon Pakistan'.

There is some truth to that as well. But I couldn't say it here.

 

[R3verse Swing]

If Christians, Jews, Bhuddists, and Hindus have nukes, it stands to reason so should Islam.

The key difference is however India cannot rent-a-nuke because outside of India there is no dominant Hindu land. It's all confined.

Sharing is caring and all that.

 

[Traveller55]

There is some truth to that as well. But I couldn't say it here.

Arrey Bhai, whats left to scam from India ? Its not a manufacturing giant to sell cheap trinkets like China.
Or a resource exporter like Australia/Africa or Congo.

And if the west was really interested in entering 'India's good books', the west would take pro-India and anti-China stance when those two are at odds. We all know that India is sensitive towards China, not Pakistan- it considers Pakistan a minor irritant, not an existential threat. China, is the latter group for Indians.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Applause and praise in the Time magazine. Wow. If this is something to brag about in the sense of achievements then it pretty much reveals the low standards Indians subscribe to. It's not like Modi was the only leader in the world to receive applause and praise! Such is the low perception that small things account for great achievements.

Speaking of which, Stalin (twice), Hitler, Trump, and Putin, were named Time persons of the year. So Modi is with good company.

So were Gandhi Martin luther King Barack Obama , indeed Modi is in good company.

 

[R3verse Swing]

So were Gandhi Martin luther King Barack Obama , indeed Modi is in good company.

There you go. I knew you'd Google.

So easy.

 

[Traveller55]

If Christians, Jews, Bhuddists, and Hindus have nukes, it stands to reason so should Islam.

The key difference is however India cannot rent-a-nuke because outside of India there is no dominant Hindu land. It's all confined.

Sharing is caring and all that.

Except for Pakistan and Pakistanis, no other nation associates nukes with a religion or ideology. There are no Hindu nukes or Buddhist nukes or Christian nukes. There are American, British, Indian, Russian, etc. nukes
But I suppose for a nation founded on religion, its a bit hard to progress to true nationalism and not religious brotherhood.

It speaks to Pakistan being an irresponsible nuclear power that it is the only nuclear power that has made the noise of sharing nukes.
Yet another reason why Pakistan is seen lower than India - its an irresponsible nuclear power.