Why Pakistan should stand firm on the ICC Champions Trophy 2025 hosting stand-off with India?

[RedwoodOriginal]

Much to the surprise of absolutely no one, the Indian government announced last week that they will not send their cricket team to Pakistan for the 2025 Champions Trophy. While past refusals have often been accepted quietly by Pakistan, I believe this time fans have reason to hope. Pakistan is finally taking a firm stance, and there are compelling reasons to challenge the status quo.

Let me preface this by saying I am speaking hypothetically here; if India decides not to participate, they have the political and financial power to do so. They are the biggest board in town and that will be that. But what’s different this time around is the PCB and the Mohsin Naqvi regime's strategic response, which has asked for a formal written explanation from India’s government outlining their reasons for not allowing travel to Pakistan. The PCB can leverage that same rationale in the future for ICC events in India, with the Pakistan government barring its own team from travelling to India on equal grounds. But in such a scenario nobody would be able to hold that against the Pakistan, because it will be India who will be the one responsible for setting the precedent.

This would place the ICC in an uncomfortable position, particularly around its tendency to “tournament-fix” by pairing India and Pakistan in the same group. This match is, without question, the ICC’s most profitable and highly publicized fixture. The numbers really speak for themselves. The India-Pakistan match at the ICC World Cup 2023 attracted a global audience of over 200 million viewers, with ad rates reaching $40,000 for just 10 seconds in India. The same India-Pakistan game peaked with a (at the time) record-breaking 35 million concurrent viewers on Disney+ Hotstar. These figures not only drive up revenue but bolster the ICC’s image as a promoter of a "global" sport, a narrative heavily reliant on this one match.

However, the perception that cricket enjoys a robust international following is frankly speaking, a myth. Cricket’s fanbase is concentrated, with over 90% of global viewership coming from India. For the ICC, these numbers from the India-Pakistan rivalry inflate the appearance of cricket as a truly global sport.

Richard Gould, the chief executive of the ECB was recently in Pakistan and I noticed that alot of media outlets picked up his statement about how you "can't even think of an ICC tournament without India." But if anyone bothered to read his full-statement, he also said that you can't have even think about an ICC tournament without Pakistan either. Because both India and Pakistan are established full-members and big markets for this sport. Pakistan may not have nearly the same number of eye-balls as India but Pakistan's 220 million-strong market—with a sizeable middle class—is still one of cricket’s major assets, and the ICC cannot afford to disregard it. A scenario without Pakistan would damage the ICC’s bottom line and global reach.

Hypothetically, if these tensions prevented an India-Pakistan match, the ACC and ICC would likely face significant financial losses and potential contractual issues with broadcasters and sponsors who bank on the viewership spike from these games. Advertisers could demand refunds or renegotiations, leading to a substantial dip in tournament profitability and possibly even in future media rights valuations. On a lower level, it could also shift the perception of cricket’s inclusivity on the world stage, potentially impacting long-term relationships with broadcasters and sponsors eager to capitalize on the economics of this match.

Ofcourse it's highly likely that by tomorrow we could see the PCB cower to India's demands and accept a hybrid model. But just this once, I really hope that they stand their ground. As a Pakistani fan, I am tired of watching India use cricket as a tool to bully us and erode the joy of this game for our fans. Our country is rife with problems and our cricket team is not even that good. For many, the few moments of joy that cricket brings us is the only light at the end of a dark tunnel and the only reason to smile amid the turmoil. Hosting an ICC tournament on our soil, after all the tragedy and heartache that we have been collectively been through since 2007 was a vindication of how far we had come as a nation in recent years. Which is why we owe it to our people to stand firm on this issue and not back down.

 

[Kianig89]

Good points but it needs a charismatic advocate to plead this case. PcB is trying for once let's see where it goes

 

[cricketjoshila]

1. Government of India is under no compulsion to give anything in writing to PCB or Pakistan. So there is no point.

2. PCB can refuse to send its team to India. That's fine. BCCI earns billions from the IPL and its home series without any pakistani involvement. Indian broadcasters and sponsors don't care about it. BCCI should be able to make up any losses from Pakistan's absence by lining up more sponsors.

3. Yes Pakistan is one of the major teams. But Pakistan's absence isn't as big a loss financially as India's.

4. This inclusivity argument has no takers. Hostile nations boycott each other all the time.

Pakistanis should put their money where their mouth is. Host CT without India and compensate ICC.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Yep it's do or die movement for PCB. If they prospered then they would be remembered forever.

 

[shah9425]

Great points

No need to back down

Host it without India

 

[Rana]

Pointless Panga taken by the ICC to give full hosting rights for one event all to Pakistan.

They should have made it a co host event in the first place.

Pakistan would have signed it happily knowing they will get something to host. India wouldn’t have an issue knowing they will participate in the co-hosted venue.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I hope they stand their ground too but we should be cognizant of a couple of things.

Firstly the issue isn't with the BCCI. It's the government of India. If the government refuses to let their team travel there is not much that the ICC can do to force India's participation.

Another important thing to note is that oppressive regimes exist around the world but we must distance the Indian regime from the Indian public and players. Just as we don't hold individual citizens responsible for the behaviour of Kim Jong or Mullah XYZ in Afghanistan we shouldn't hold every day Indians responsible for the actions of their government.

Secondly, we should always aim for the promotion of cricket over national pride. We shouldn't tie our pride down to a game played between bat and ball. If India wants to lift it's bat and say I'm not playing for their own selfish interests and do Bhangra about it then that's up to them. By directly copying them we just fall to their level.

The situation should be discussed rationally with the ICC. We should aim to be responsible and protect cricket and the cricketing world from India. If a hybrid model is the only option then so be it. It's a small price to pay for the future of this great game and much better than the financial losses suffered because of the Indian meltdown. We are not cowering to India's demands and tyranny but rising above pointless nationalism to help keep this game afloat for millions worldwide.

Going forward ICC events can be evaluated on a case by case basis. No need to make announcements beforehand.

 

[Rajdeep]

Pointless Panga taken by the ICC to give full hosting rights for one event all to Pakistan.

They should have made it a co host event in the first place.

Pakistan would have signed it happily knowing they will get something to host. India wouldn’t have an issue knowing they will participate in the co-hosted venue.

It is actually Saurav Ganguly's fault. Ramiz Raja somehow convinced Dada to accept the proposal from ICC at that time and being good friends Saurav accepted without thinking repercussion's.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

It is actually Saurav Ganguly's fault. Ramiz Raja somehow convinced Dada to accept the proposal from ICC at that time and being good friends Saurav accepted without thinking repercussion's.

Most mishaps around the world when analysed deeply are found to be the fault of Indians. There is nothing to game by laying the blame solely on Gaguly but rather we should try to build a path forward.

 

[Nabeel23]

Pointless Panga taken by the ICC to give full hosting rights for one event all to Pakistan.

They should have made it a co host event in the first place.

Pakistan would have signed it happily knowing they will get something to host. India wouldn’t have an issue knowing they will participate in the co-hosted venue.

Yes, this would have been the more sensible option.

 

[Rana]

It is actually Saurav Ganguly's fault. Ramiz Raja somehow convinced Dada to accept the proposal from ICC at that time and being good friends Saurav accepted without thinking repercussion's.

I think the BCCI are not to blame here. They really can’t move without their government’s approval. They’ve tried to delay this as much as possible hoping their government changes its stance. The government feel restrained because of the political narrative they have built for the families of the martyrs.

It’s all too delicate and sensitive.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I think the BCCI are not to blame here. They really can’t move without their government’s approval. They’ve tried to delay this as much as possible hoping their government changes its stance. The government feel restrained because of the political narrative they have built for the families of the martyrs.

It’s all too delicate and sensitive.

We don't know how much they have tried but overall I agree with you.

Can't blame the BCCI at all. No country can tour without the approval of their government. Once GOI has said no then that's it.

 

[Rana]

We don't know how much they have tried but overall I agree with you.

Can't blame the BCCI at all. No country can tour without the approval of their government. Once GOI has said no then that's it.

I think this time the ‘No’ from the government was not as harsh or hate driven as it was in the past. They probably do feel it’s ok to move on, but they are compelled because a large majority of their nation has become adamant to not move on.

A lot of work is still needed to bridge the gap between the two countries to move on amicably.

I could be wrong, this is just my take on it.

 

[KingKhanWC]

1. Government of India is under no compulsion to give anything in writing to PCB or Pakistan. So there is no point.

2. PCB can refuse to send its team to India. That's fine. BCCI earns billions from the IPL and its home series without any pakistani involvement. Indian broadcasters and sponsors don't care about it. BCCI should be able to make up any losses from Pakistan's absence by lining up more sponsors.

3. Yes Pakistan is one of the major teams. But Pakistan's absence isn't as big a loss financially as India's.

4. This inclusivity argument has no takers. Hostile nations boycott each other all the time.

Pakistanis should put their money where their mouth is. Host CT without India and compensate ICC.

Why should Pakistan compensate India ? It’s India refusing not to travel to a confirmed host nation .

Pakistan should simply do the same , don’t travel to India . Both forfeit points when refusing to travel . If it’s a knockout , the host nation goes through.

Cricket will continue in both nations for centuries to come .

 

[mominsaigol]

Pcb shpuld stand firm, but they won't. They'll give in

 

[shaz619]

Much to the surprise of absolutely no one, the Indian government announced last week that they will not send their cricket team to Pakistan for the 2025 Champions Trophy. While past refusals have often been accepted quietly by Pakistan, I believe this time fans have reason to hope. Pakistan is finally taking a firm stance, and there are compelling reasons to challenge the status quo.

Let me preface this by saying I am speaking hypothetically here; if India decides not to participate, they have the political and financial power to do so. They are the biggest board in town and that will be that. But what’s different this time around is the PCB and the Mohsin Naqvi regime's strategic response, which has asked for a formal written explanation from India’s government outlining their reasons for not allowing travel to Pakistan. The PCB can leverage that same rationale in the future for ICC events in India, with the Pakistan government barring its own team from travelling to India on equal grounds. But in such a scenario nobody would be able to hold that against the Pakistan, because it will be India who will be the one responsible for setting the precedent.

This would place the ICC in an uncomfortable position, particularly around its tendency to “tournament-fix” by pairing India and Pakistan in the same group. This match is, without question, the ICC’s most profitable and highly publicized fixture. The numbers really speak for themselves. The India-Pakistan match at the ICC World Cup 2023 attracted a global audience of over 200 million viewers, with ad rates reaching $40,000 for just 10 seconds in India. The same India-Pakistan game peaked with a (at the time) record-breaking 35 million concurrent viewers on Disney+ Hotstar. These figures not only drive up revenue but bolster the ICC’s image as a promoter of a "global" sport, a narrative heavily reliant on this one match.

However, the perception that cricket enjoys a robust international following is frankly speaking, a myth. Cricket’s fanbase is concentrated, with over 90% of global viewership coming from India. For the ICC, these numbers from the India-Pakistan rivalry inflate the appearance of cricket as a truly global sport.

Richard Gould, the chief executive of the ECB was recently in Pakistan and I noticed that alot of media outlets picked up his statement about how you "can't even think of an ICC tournament without India." But if anyone bothered to read his full-statement, he also said that you can't have even think about an ICC tournament without Pakistan either. Because both India and Pakistan are established full-members and big markets for this sport. Pakistan may not have nearly the same number of eye-balls as India but Pakistan's 220 million-strong market—with a sizeable middle class—is still one of cricket’s major assets, and the ICC cannot afford to disregard it. A scenario without Pakistan would damage the ICC’s bottom line and global reach.

Hypothetically, if these tensions prevented an India-Pakistan match, the ACC and ICC would likely face significant financial losses and potential contractual issues with broadcasters and sponsors who bank on the viewership spike from these games. Advertisers could demand refunds or renegotiations, leading to a substantial dip in tournament profitability and possibly even in future media rights valuations. On a lower level, it could also shift the perception of cricket’s inclusivity on the world stage, potentially impacting long-term relationships with broadcasters and sponsors eager to capitalize on the economics of this match.

Ofcourse it's highly likely that by tomorrow we could see the PCB cower to India's demands and accept a hybrid model. But just this once, I really hope that they stand their ground. As a Pakistani fan, I am tired of watching India use cricket as a tool to bully us and erode the joy of this game for our fans. Our country is rife with problems and our cricket team is not even that good. For many, the few moments of joy that cricket brings us is the only light at the end of a dark tunnel and the only reason to smile amid the turmoil. Hosting an ICC tournament on our soil, after all the tragedy and heartache that we have been collectively been through since 2007 was a vindication of how far we had come as a nation in recent years. Which is why we owe it to our people to stand firm on this issue and not back down.

Well written bro, POTW

 

[Rajdeep]

@Rana

 

[Devadwal]

I think this time the ‘No’ from the government was not as harsh or hate driven as it was in the past. They probably do feel it’s ok to move on, but they are compelled because a large majority of their nation has become adamant to not move on.

A lot of work is still needed to bridge the gap between the two countries to move on amicably.

I could be wrong, this is just my take on it.

If Government of India give permission to BCCI to send the indian team and any attacks happened in india after that by Pakistan based UN banned terror organisation than most of public will target ruling government and they won't have any words to defend itself.

So any government in india regardless of any political party will think twice before taking any decision. That's why Pakistan needs to listen Indian government concerns and solved them.

Once both country relation will improve we May play full series in both country's .

 

[Devadwal]

@Rana

This whole drama is beneficial to Youtubers .they will earn lots of money from this saga.

 

[Josh]

The tournament should be played without India. When the event was awarded to PCB, BCCI should have raised concerns then and it could have been co-hosted by UAE and Pak

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why should Pakistan compensate India ? It’s India refusing not to travel to a confirmed host nation .

Pakistan should simply do the same , don’t travel to India . Both forfeit points when refusing to travel . If it’s a knockout , the host nation goes through.

Cricket will continue in both nations for centuries to come .

When did i ask Pakistan to compensate India?

Both countries forfeit points plus their ICC revenue share. Thats fine.

Only thing is who will compensate ICC for the financial loss? I am fine if Pakistan refuses to come and ICC asks BCCI to find extra sponsors to fill in the loss. Same should apply to PCB.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Host with without India. No more ifs and buts.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It is actually Saurav Ganguly's fault. Ramiz Raja somehow convinced Dada to accept the proposal from ICC at that time and being good friends Saurav accepted without thinking repercussion's.

What? Sourav Ganguly? How exactly?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Host with without India. No more ifs and buts.

That's what PCB should do. If ICC talks about money, throw it on their face.

 

[uppercut]

Much to the surprise of absolutely no one, the Indian government announced last week that they will not send their cricket team to Pakistan for the 2025 Champions Trophy. While past refusals have often been accepted quietly by Pakistan, I believe this time fans have reason to hope. Pakistan is finally taking a firm stance, and there are compelling reasons to challenge the status quo.

Let me preface this by saying I am speaking hypothetically here; if India decides not to participate, they have the political and financial power to do so. They are the biggest board in town and that will be that. But what’s different this time around is the PCB and the Mohsin Naqvi regime's strategic response, which has asked for a formal written explanation from India’s government outlining their reasons for not allowing travel to Pakistan. The PCB can leverage that same rationale in the future for ICC events in India, with the Pakistan government barring its own team from travelling to India on equal grounds. But in such a scenario nobody would be able to hold that against the Pakistan, because it will be India who will be the one responsible for setting the precedent.

This would place the ICC in an uncomfortable position, particularly around its tendency to “tournament-fix” by pairing India and Pakistan in the same group. This match is, without question, the ICC’s most profitable and highly publicized fixture. The numbers really speak for themselves. The India-Pakistan match at the ICC World Cup 2023 attracted a global audience of over 200 million viewers, with ad rates reaching $40,000 for just 10 seconds in India. The same India-Pakistan game peaked with a (at the time) record-breaking 35 million concurrent viewers on Disney+ Hotstar. These figures not only drive up revenue but bolster the ICC’s image as a promoter of a "global" sport, a narrative heavily reliant on this one match.

However, the perception that cricket enjoys a robust international following is frankly speaking, a myth. Cricket’s fanbase is concentrated, with over 90% of global viewership coming from India. For the ICC, these numbers from the India-Pakistan rivalry inflate the appearance of cricket as a truly global sport.

Richard Gould, the chief executive of the ECB was recently in Pakistan and I noticed that alot of media outlets picked up his statement about how you "can't even think of an ICC tournament without India." But if anyone bothered to read his full-statement, he also said that you can't have even think about an ICC tournament without Pakistan either. Because both India and Pakistan are established full-members and big markets for this sport. Pakistan may not have nearly the same number of eye-balls as India but Pakistan's 220 million-strong market—with a sizeable middle class—is still one of cricket’s major assets, and the ICC cannot afford to disregard it. A scenario without Pakistan would damage the ICC’s bottom line and global reach.

Hypothetically, if these tensions prevented an India-Pakistan match, the ACC and ICC would likely face significant financial losses and potential contractual issues with broadcasters and sponsors who bank on the viewership spike from these games. Advertisers could demand refunds or renegotiations, leading to a substantial dip in tournament profitability and possibly even in future media rights valuations. On a lower level, it could also shift the perception of cricket’s inclusivity on the world stage, potentially impacting long-term relationships with broadcasters and sponsors eager to capitalize on the economics of this match.

Ofcourse it's highly likely that by tomorrow we could see the PCB cower to India's demands and accept a hybrid model. But just this once, I really hope that they stand their ground. As a Pakistani fan, I am tired of watching India use cricket as a tool to bully us and erode the joy of this game for our fans. Our country is rife with problems and our cricket team is not even that good. For many, the few moments of joy that cricket brings us is the only light at the end of a dark tunnel and the only reason to smile amid the turmoil. Hosting an ICC tournament on our soil, after all the tragedy and heartache that we have been collectively been through since 2007 was a vindication of how far we had come as a nation in recent years. Which is why we owe it to our people to stand firm on this issue and not back down.

What is the absolute root cause of this dispute in your opinion?

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Much to the surprise of absolutely no one, the Indian government announced last week that they will not send their cricket team to Pakistan for the 2025 Champions Trophy. While past refusals have often been accepted quietly by Pakistan, I believe this time fans have reason to hope. Pakistan is finally taking a firm stance, and there are compelling reasons to challenge the status quo.

Let me preface this by saying I am speaking hypothetically here; if India decides not to participate, they have the political and financial power to do so. They are the biggest board in town and that will be that. But what’s different this time around is the PCB and the Mohsin Naqvi regime's strategic response, which has asked for a formal written explanation from India’s government outlining their reasons for not allowing travel to Pakistan. The PCB can leverage that same rationale in the future for ICC events in India, with the Pakistan government barring its own team from travelling to India on equal grounds. But in such a scenario nobody would be able to hold that against the Pakistan, because it will be India who will be the one responsible for setting the precedent.

This would place the ICC in an uncomfortable position, particularly around its tendency to “tournament-fix” by pairing India and Pakistan in the same group. This match is, without question, the ICC’s most profitable and highly publicized fixture. The numbers really speak for themselves. The India-Pakistan match at the ICC World Cup 2023 attracted a global audience of over 200 million viewers, with ad rates reaching $40,000 for just 10 seconds in India. The same India-Pakistan game peaked with a (at the time) record-breaking 35 million concurrent viewers on Disney+ Hotstar. These figures not only drive up revenue but bolster the ICC’s image as a promoter of a "global" sport, a narrative heavily reliant on this one match.

However, the perception that cricket enjoys a robust international following is frankly speaking, a myth. Cricket’s fanbase is concentrated, with over 90% of global viewership coming from India. For the ICC, these numbers from the India-Pakistan rivalry inflate the appearance of cricket as a truly global sport.

Richard Gould, the chief executive of the ECB was recently in Pakistan and I noticed that alot of media outlets picked up his statement about how you "can't even think of an ICC tournament without India." But if anyone bothered to read his full-statement, he also said that you can't have even think about an ICC tournament without Pakistan either. Because both India and Pakistan are established full-members and big markets for this sport. Pakistan may not have nearly the same number of eye-balls as India but Pakistan's 220 million-strong market—with a sizeable middle class—is still one of cricket’s major assets, and the ICC cannot afford to disregard it. A scenario without Pakistan would damage the ICC’s bottom line and global reach.

Hypothetically, if these tensions prevented an India-Pakistan match, the ACC and ICC would likely face significant financial losses and potential contractual issues with broadcasters and sponsors who bank on the viewership spike from these games. Advertisers could demand refunds or renegotiations, leading to a substantial dip in tournament profitability and possibly even in future media rights valuations. On a lower level, it could also shift the perception of cricket’s inclusivity on the world stage, potentially impacting long-term relationships with broadcasters and sponsors eager to capitalize on the economics of this match.

Ofcourse it's highly likely that by tomorrow we could see the PCB cower to India's demands and accept a hybrid model. But just this once, I really hope that they stand their ground. As a Pakistani fan, I am tired of watching India use cricket as a tool to bully us and erode the joy of this game for our fans. Our country is rife with problems and our cricket team is not even that good. For many, the few moments of joy that cricket brings us is the only light at the end of a dark tunnel and the only reason to smile amid the turmoil. Hosting an ICC tournament on our soil, after all the tragedy and heartache that we have been collectively been through since 2007 was a vindication of how far we had come as a nation in recent years. Which is why we owe it to our people to stand firm on this issue and not back down.

TLDR :

Also let's forget that Pakistan has basically prevented India from hosting Asia Cup since 1990 (which was also boycotted by Pakistan).2018 Asia Cup, India was the host but was held in UAE. Let's ignore our own Karnaame and play victim card.

 

[Devadwal]

TLDR :

Also let's forget that Pakistan has basically prevented India from hosting Asia Cup since 1990 (which was also boycotted by Pakistan).2018 Asia Cup, India was the host but was held in UAE. Let's ignore our own Karnaame and play victim card.

Most of people's here have short-sighted memory .

They are forget previous pakistan stands but now playing victim card's.

As i said already there are always a story behind every current stance

 

[KingKhanWC]

When did i ask Pakistan to compensate India?

Both countries forfeit points plus their ICC revenue share. Thats fine.

Only thing is who will compensate ICC for the financial loss? I am fine if Pakistan refuses to come and ICC asks BCCI to find extra sponsors to fill in the loss. Same should apply to PCB.

Indian board is given around 40% of ICC net earnings .

I would add for global cricket India & Pakistan should then have less hosting rights. Bangladesh should have a solo World Cup , also UAE & Scotland/ireland.

I agree on the rest .

 

[cricketjoshila]

Indian board is given around 40% of ICC net earnings .

I would add for global cricket India & Pakistan should then have less hosting rights. Bangladesh should have a solo World Cup , also UAE & Scotland/ireland.

I agree on the rest .

India won't get a dime from CT 2025 if they don't play.

ICC just lost 20mn USD hosting the T20WC in WI.

More such losses will fall on the ICC if they start choosing random countries to host.

 

[emranabbas]

That's what PCB should do. If ICC talks about money, throw it on their face.

Why should the PCB be held responsible for paying the ICC when they have no objections to hosting matches or traveling to India for international tournaments?

The Pakistan Cricket Board has shown readiness to fulfil its obligations, whereas it is India that has been causing disruptions by refusing to play in Pakistan and complicating matters ICC. This refusal and the subsequent logistical challenges are creating an unnecessary strain on the tournament's organization and schedule.

Therefore, any financial responsibility for compensating the ICC due to these disruptions should fall on India. It is their reluctance and "tantrums", not any actions or refusals by Pakistan, that are impacting the smooth execution of the event.

 

[KingKhanWC]

India won't get a dime from CT 2025 if they don't play.

ICC just lost 20mn USD hosting the T20WC in WI.

More such losses will fall on the ICC if they start choosing random countries to host.

They are contracted to receive 40% , they’ll blame the government & take their bit . ICC will stil Make a profit

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why should the PCB be held responsible for paying the ICC when they have no objections to hosting matches or traveling to India for international tournaments?

The Pakistan Cricket Board has shown readiness to fulfil its obligations, whereas it is India that has been causing disruptions by refusing to play in Pakistan and complicating matters ICC. This refusal and the subsequent logistical challenges are creating an unnecessary strain on the tournament's organization and schedule.

Therefore, any financial responsibility for compensating the ICC due to these disruptions should fall on India. It is their reluctance and "tantrums", not any actions or refusals by Pakistan, that are impacting the smooth execution of the event.

This is a force majeure and the government has stopped the BCCI.

Without India the CT 2025 may not be financially viable. If that's so, either ICC makes changes to ensure India's participation or PCB arranges the finances to make up the losses.

 

[cricketjoshila]

They are contracted to receive 40% , they’ll blame the government & take their bit . ICC will stil Make a profit

They are contracted if they play. No play no money. That's the punishment.

ICC will lose majority of its revenue somewhere close to 70-80 per cent if India doesn't participate

 

[Bhaijaan]

For the sake of God, let’s please end any relationship active or passive we have in any field. We have had enough of hate and backstabbing from Pakistan over the decades. No one in Bharat wants anything to do with Pakistan. Please leave us the hell alone.

 

[emranabbas]

This is a force majeure and the government has stopped the BCCI.

Without India the CT 2025 may not be financially viable. If that's so, either ICC makes changes to ensure India's participation or PCB arranges the finances to make up the losses.

Then it's up to the BCCI to convince its government to allow them to participate in the Champions Trophy 2025 in Pakistan. This situation is not Pakistan's fault.

Just as the tournament might struggle financially without India, the same can be said for any tournament without Pakistan, especially because the of India vs. Pakistan match which is a massive revenue generator.

It would be unfair for Pakistan to lose its hosting rights simply to accommodate India, who is causing the complications in the first place. If hosting rights are to be taken from Pakistan for this reason, then the same should apply to India as well.

 

[Vikram1989]

For the Innocent pak fans who thinks pcb is spending its own amount on reconstruction

Champions Trophy 2025: ICC Grants PCB Eye-watering Sum as Budget For Marquee Tournament in Pakistan: Report

ICC have reportedly approved a massive sum which will be granted to the Pakistan Cricket Board ahead of the upcoming Champions Trophy 2025. PCB's chief finance officer, Javed Murtaza had prepared the budget for the Champions Trophy in sync with ICC's chief finance officer, Ankur Khanna. CT 2025...

www.timesnownews.com

 

[Itachi]

I agree with OP.

Pakistan should go ahead and held it without India.

And reject participating when event is in India.

Since BCCI won't be asked for compensation, so PCB doesn't require to pay anything too.

Thats the ideal scenario right now.

 

[emranabbas]

Just asking them not to waste space on this thread with out knowing

India is four times larger than Pakistan, so it's no surprise that they are financially stronger—it's like comparing four countries against one. However, India should ideally be competing with nations of similar size, such as the USA, China, or Russia. But when you compare India to countries of its own scale, it finds itself the bottom of the rankings.

 

[Vikram1989]

However, India should ideally be competing with nations of similar size, such as the USA, China, or Russia. But when you compare India to countries of its own scale, it finds itself the bottom of the rankings.

None of them plays cricket bro .See am fine if ct goes on in pak.if india does not come,it's should be icc issue as they gave the hosting rights to pak and they should ensure the success.Ct was supposed to happen in pak 2008 but Western nations opposed it despite strong bcci pressure to help pak. Just like that pak should gather other's support for any chance of tournament

 

[mominsaigol]

You worry about why india isn't stronger compared to countries your own size before worrying about pakistan and Australia

Put your own house in place before preaching outside.

The reason why Australia is so financially strong is because their land has natural resources and they have alot of commonwealth banking from the UN.

Lastly they have no borders, their isolated which means just like UAE, they have no need to engage in international politics or have any hostilities with other countries.

Pakistan entire history is turbulent. Partition was tough, Followed by the fact that they have 4 hostile borders.

I'm not saying Pakistan isn't at fault, as yes the government is incompetent however it's not 100% Pakistan's fault

 

[mominsaigol]

This is why @Devadwal compared populations while I was comparing land because its resources that matter no population.

Australia also benefitted from natural wildlife. The country was lucky to be situated in a place where wildlife already existed and had thrived for centuries even before the land was discovered.

Hence things like aussie beef became a brand. Credit to the government for managing the wildlife resources well and having good mating habits for animals. However thanks to their wildlife they never had to worry about shortage of food and relying on other countries for food resources which Pakistan usually relies upon.

Infact Beef is one of the biggest experts from Australia and that also contributed in a ton of money.

Similarly electricity is another resource they never had to worry about due to the fact that they literally live in a freaking island while Pakistan is at the mercy of India as Water reaches them first and hence India built storage dams that prevented river water from flowing into Pakistan correctly.

 

[shaz619]

India won't get a dime from CT 2025 if they don't play.

ICC just lost 20mn USD hosting the T20WC in WI.

More such losses will fall on the ICC if they start choosing random countries to host.

Yes, lets host everything in India, better, let them play with themselves. Something their population will enjoy very much.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes, lets host everything in India, better, let them play with themselves. Something their population will enjoy very much.

Better option than hosting in Ireland or Scotland.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Then it's up to the BCCI to convince its government to allow them to participate in the Champions Trophy 2025 in Pakistan. This situation is not Pakistan's fault.

Just as the tournament might struggle financially without India, the same can be said for any tournament without Pakistan, especially because the of India vs. Pakistan match which is a massive revenue generator.

It would be unfair for Pakistan to lose its hosting rights simply to accommodate India, who is causing the complications in the first place. If hosting rights are to be taken from Pakistan for this reason, then the same should apply to India as well.

India doesn't host Pakistan. Doesn't allow pakistanis in IPL. IPL broadcast is banned in Pakistan.

Yet BCCI makes billions. So this argument that BCCI cannot host a tournament without Pakistan and make money is false.

ICC should give option to PCB,

Host fully without India and bring enough money to compensate for losses.

Host in hybrid model.

Don't host and participate, get compensation from ICC for losing the hosting rights.


Don't host Don't participate. Lose your proportionate ICC share.

 

[Sunny_majoka]

What should be done ideally,

champion trophy to be held in Pakistan with or without India

And Pakistan to participate in future tournaments held in india as we have traveled there all the time

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Well written bro, POTW

Thank you bro

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

For the Innocent pak fans who thinks pcb is spending its own amount on reconstruction

Champions Trophy 2025: ICC Grants PCB Eye-watering Sum as Budget For Marquee Tournament in Pakistan: Report

ICC have reportedly approved a massive sum which will be granted to the Pakistan Cricket Board ahead of the upcoming Champions Trophy 2025. PCB's chief finance officer, Javed Murtaza had prepared the budget for the Champions Trophy in sync with ICC's chief finance officer, Ankur Khanna. CT 2025...

www.timesnownews.com

This news story is false. This budget was approved by the Government of Pakistan, not the ICC. The ICC gave Pakistan $70 million and that money is to cover the expenses incurred during the support period window which runs from February 12-18 and is designated for warm-up matches, media activities, and promotional events.

You should know better than to spread fake news.

Here are are several articles reporting the facts:

PCB approves stadiums' designs ahead of Champions Trophy 2025

PCB Chief Mohsin Naqvi visits BDP Pattern's head office in London.Board's chairman expresses satisfaction on stadiums' designs.Says he's personally overseeing venues' upgradation in three cities.As the Pakistan Cricket Board gears up...

www.geo.tv

PCB Allocates Rs 12.8 Billion Rupees For Renovation Of Stadiums Ahead Of ICC Champions Trophy

ICC Champions Trophy 2025: The three stadiums in Lahore, Karachi and Rawalpindi are set to undergo massive renovation.

news.abplive.com

Champions Trophy: PCB undertakes 12.8 billion rupees-worth renovation of stadiums

www.deccanherald.com

https://www.outlookindia.com/amp/story/sports/cricket/icc-champions-trophy-2025-pakistan-cricket-board-allocates-128-billion-rupees-for-stadium-renovations

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

This news story is false. This budget was approved by the Government of Pakistan, not the ICC. The ICC gave Pakistan $70 million and that money is to cover the expenses incurred during the support period window which runs from February 12-18 and is designated for warm-up matches, media activities, and promotional events.

hmm... so Govt. of Pakistan approves PCB budgets?? Then why is this posted on PCB site

 

[cricketjoshila]

This news story is false. This budget was approved by the Government of Pakistan, not the ICC. The ICC gave Pakistan $70 million and that money is to cover the expenses incurred during the support period window which runs from February 12-18 and is designated for warm-up matches, media activities, and promotional events.

You should know better than to spread fake news.

Here are are several articles reporting the facts:

PCB approves stadiums' designs ahead of Champions Trophy 2025

PCB Chief Mohsin Naqvi visits BDP Pattern's head office in London.Board's chairman expresses satisfaction on stadiums' designs.Says he's personally overseeing venues' upgradation in three cities.As the Pakistan Cricket Board gears up...

www.geo.tv

PCB Allocates Rs 12.8 Billion Rupees For Renovation Of Stadiums Ahead Of ICC Champions Trophy

ICC Champions Trophy 2025: The three stadiums in Lahore, Karachi and Rawalpindi are set to undergo massive renovation.

news.abplive.com

Champions Trophy: PCB undertakes 12.8 billion rupees-worth renovation of stadiums

www.deccanherald.com

https://www.outlookindia.com/amp/story/sports/cricket/icc-champions-trophy-2025-pakistan-cricket-board-allocates-128-billion-rupees-for-stadium-renovations

ICC gave the money to PCB and PCB allocated that money to upgrade the stadium. Every host country does that.

Govt of Pakistan didn't sanction the money.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

hmm... so Govt. of Pakistan approves PCB budgets?? Then why is this posted on PCB site

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ICC gave the money to PCB and PCB allocated that money to upgrade the stadium. Every host country does that.

Govt of Pakistan didn't sanction the money.

The money that the PCB earns through the revenue share model is dependant on alot of factors, including market value contribution, membership status, performance and rankings, development needs. PCB also generates additional revenue through the PSL, broadcasting rights, sponsorships and advertising and ticket sales.

Unless you have seen the balance sheets there is no way you can say that the ICC gave Pakistan this money.

I'm man enough to admit that I was wrong when I said that the GoP approved this budget. Still doesn't change the fact that it came from a Pakistani cricket body, not the ICC, which is what was reported in that completely false article that OP shared.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The money that the PCB earns through the revenue share model is dependant on alot of factors, including market value contribution, membership status, performance and rankings, development needs. PCB also generates additional revenue through the PSL, broadcasting rights, sponsorships and advertising and ticket sales.

Unless you have seen the balance sheets there is no way you can say that the ICC gave Pakistan this money.

I'm man enough to admit that I was wrong when I said that the GoP approved this budget. Still doesn't change the fact that it came from a Pakistani cricket body, not the ICC, which is what was reported in that completely false article that OP shared.

Because every host country is alloted money by ICC to upgrade facilities. Thats the standard process.

Thats called hosting fees.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I hope they stand their ground too but we should be cognizant of a couple of things.

Firstly the issue isn't with the BCCI. It's the government of India. If the government refuses to let their team travel there is not much that the ICC can do to force India's participation.

Another important thing to note is that oppressive regimes exist around the world but we must distance the Indian regime from the Indian public and players. Just as we don't hold individual citizens responsible for the behaviour of Kim Jong or Mullah XYZ in Afghanistan we shouldn't hold every day Indians responsible for the actions of their government.

Secondly, we should always aim for the promotion of cricket over national pride. We shouldn't tie our pride down to a game played between bat and ball. If India wants to lift it's bat and say I'm not playing for their own selfish interests and do Bhangra about it then that's up to them. By directly copying them we just fall to their level.

The situation should be discussed rationally with the ICC. We should aim to be responsible and protect cricket and the cricketing world from India. If a hybrid model is the only option then so be it. It's a small price to pay for the future of this great game and much better than the financial losses suffered because of the Indian meltdown. We are not cowering to India's demands and tyranny but rising above pointless nationalism to help keep this game afloat for millions worldwide.

Going forward ICC events can be evaluated on a case by case basis. No need to make announcements beforehand.

This is not about national pride. This is about having enough of getting pushed around. If the Indian government had intentions of doing this they should have either never awarded the CT to Pakistan or made their stance clear instead of waiting till a week before the schedule of the tournament is announced.

If you really think this isn't deliberate then you need to wake up and smell the coffee because this isn't the first time something like this has happened. But I really hope, that its the last straw.

One country can not be allowed to take the game of cricket hostage like this and make others cower to their demands. And if they do so and you just keep taking it then things will never change. This hybrid nonsense is no way to play cricket.

I have zero respect for the Indian government's stance because it is both contradictory and hypocritical. If they truly believe that Pakistan is responsible for the death of Indian soldiers then why do they send their Davis Cup and Table tennis teams to Pakistan? Why do they play Pakistan in ICC and ACC tournaments? Do Indian lives not matter during those tournaments? I could respect their stance a little bit if they were actually consistent but they are not.

And as far as I'm concerned India has no moral high ground in this argument. Because while the Pakistani state definitely has a role in waging proxy wars in India, the Indian state has done much of the same in Balochistan.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

This is not about national pride. This is about having enough of getting pushed around. If the Indian government had intentions of doing this they should have either never awarded the CT to Pakistan or made their stance clear instead of waiting till a week before the schedule of the tournament is announced.

If you really think this isn't deliberate then you need to wake up and smell the coffee because this isn't the first time something like this has happened. But I really hope, that its the last straw.

One country can not be allowed to take the game of cricket hostage like this and make others cower to their demands. And if they do so and you just keep taking it then things will never change. This hybrid nonsense is no way to play cricket.

I have zero respect for the Indian government's stance because it is both contradictory and hypocritical. If they truly believe that Pakistan is responsible for the death of Indian soldiers then why do they send their Davis Cup and Table tennis teams to Pakistan? Why do they play Pakistan in ICC and ACC tournaments? Do Indian lives not matter during those tournaments? I could respect their stance a little bit if they were actually consistent but they are not.

And as far as I'm concerned India has no moral high ground in this argument. Because while the Pakistani state definitely has a role in waging proxy wars in India, the Indian state has done much of the same in Balochistan.

It is of course deliberate and also illogical stance. We know that. In fact they know that too but are happy taking this sort of petty revenge. Their whole reasoning is bogus. You can debate it till you are blue in the face but they won't budge on why their jawans are sometimes valuable and sometimes not. All of these things you have stated we have debated with Indians in the past. Their response is essentially Mera Bala meri marzi.

If their revenge for alleged terrorist attacks is to move some matches outside of Pakistan then so be it. They can show their bravery to their public in this way.

However we must be clever in our response, not throw toys out the pram and in the interim do what is in the best interest of Pakistan cricket and world cricket for this champions trophy. If after weighing up all the options a boycott is the best option then so be it. I just want the PCB to take a measured response with a long term view in mind.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Because every host country is alloted money by ICC to upgrade facilities. Thats the standard process.

Thats called hosting fees.

Hosting fees are one of many things part of the revenue model share which as I mentioned also includes market value contribution, membership status, performance and rankings and, development needs.

PCB's annual share from the 2023 revenue model was $34.5 million. The cost of these upgrades is reported at PKR 12.8 billion which equates to approximately $46 million.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

It is of course deliberate and also illogical stance. We know that. In fact they know that too but are happy taking this sort of petty revenge. Their whole reasoning is bogus. You can debate it till you are blue in the face but they won't budge on why their jawans are sometimes valuable and sometimes not. All of these things you have stated we have debated with Indians in the past. Their response is essentially Mera Bala meri marzi.
If their revenge for alleged terrorist attacks is to move some matches outside of Pakistan then so be it. They can show their bravery to their public in this way.

However we must be clever in our response, not throw toys out the pram and in the interim do what is in the best interest of Pakistan cricket and world cricket for this champions trophy. If after weighing up all the options a boycott is the best option then so be it. I just want the PCB to take a measured response with a long term view in mind.

Look as I said in the other thread, sometimes you have to cut your nose off to spite your face. The ICC can't be allowed to laugh themselves to the bank from the benefits they reap from the Pakistan-India while Pakistan continues to get blackballed like this. Sometimes you need to make a statement and the ICC needs to feel the pain to fully realize this.

I don't really care about Indian fans in this particular instance. For Indian fans, high-profile cricket and ICC tournaments are a fact of life that get to experience fairly regularly. I care about the Pakistani fans, particularly the ones not living in the big cities who have been starved of this kind of international cricket and a high-profile event like this for decades. Many of them weren't even born the last time Pakistan hosted an event of this magnitude which was the 1996 World Cup. They have done nothing to deserve this crummy treatment.

The Indian fans who are brainwashed, will remain brainwashed. The Indian fans who have brains and the critical thinking skills to see what is happening, know what is happening. At any rate, I don't blame either groups of people, or the BCCI for that matter. I blame the current Indian regime which cultivates hate against Pakistan as a matter of policy.

To be clear, I am the farthest thing from a nationalist and don't have the slightest bit of sympathy for the Pakistani state or everything they do their own people. The only people that I have sympathy for are the Pakistani people and cricket fans who wanted nothing more than to see a high-profile international tournament on their home soil.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Hosting fees are one of many things part of the revenue model share which as I mentioned also includes market value contribution, membership status, performance and rankings and, development needs.

PCB's annual share from the 2023 revenue model was $34.5 million. The cost of these upgrades is reported at PKR 12.8 billion which equates to approximately $46 million.

Hosting fees isn't part of revenue share.

Hosting fees is given to host nations hosting a ICC event. Hosting fee for CT 2025 is $65mn.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Look as I said in the other thread, sometimes you have to cut your nose off to spite your face. The ICC can't be allowed to laugh themselves to the bank from the benefits they reap from the Pakistan-India while Pakistan continues to get blackballed like this. Sometimes you need to make a statement and the ICC needs to feel the pain to fully realize this.

I don't really care about Indian fans in this particular instance. For Indian fans, high-profile cricket and ICC tournaments are a fact of life that get to experience fairly regularly. I care about the Pakistani fans, particularly the ones not living in the big cities who have been starved of this kind of international cricket and a high-profile event like this for decades. Many of them weren't even born the last time Pakistan hosted an event of this magnitude which was the 1996 World Cup. They have done nothing to deserve this crummy treatment.

The Indian fans who are brainwashed, will remain brainwashed. The Indian fans who have brains and the critical thinking skills to see what is happening, know what is happening. At any rate, I don't blame either groups of people, or the BCCI for that matter. I blame the current Indian regime which cultivates hate against Pakistan as a matter of policy.

To be clear, I am the farthest thing from a nationalist and don't have the slightest bit of sympathy for the Pakistani state or everything they do their own people. The only people that I have sympathy for are the Pakistani people and cricket fans who wanted nothing more than to see a high-profile international tournament on their home soil.

You never cut off your nose to spite your face. That's the reason Pakistan is in the mess it is.

The time to have taken action was to sink the Asia cup. It is too late now to take that risk with the ICC. We could have tried during the tournament in India and sunk the ICC revenue in New York but we didn't.

At this juncture if we try to show the ICC a binary choice between us or India they will pick India and will continue to pick India going forwards.

This time we must think sensibly rather than cutting off our nose.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

The money that the PCB earns through the revenue share model is dependant on alot of factors, including market value contribution, membership status, performance and rankings, development needs. PCB also generates additional revenue through the PSL, broadcasting rights, sponsorships and advertising and ticket sales.

Unless you have seen the balance sheets there is no way you can say that the ICC gave Pakistan this money.

I'm man enough to admit that I was wrong when I said that the GoP approved this budget. Still doesn't change the fact that it came from a Pakistani cricket body, not the ICC, which is what was reported in that completely false article that OP shared.

Since you hardly care about facts. I have actually seen PCB balance sheets and actually shared the links for the same in several threads before. Have I ever said Pakistan makes zero money from PSL or other things. Don't insert claims which have never been made.

FYIP, the PCB financial reports are available to anyone who cares to search on their website. Go check on them and comeback. Now get good, get better kid!! Stop yapping idoicy , I actually deal with facts.

Here is a fact, without ICC revenue share PCB will actually be in heavy losses to the tune of several million dollars.
PCB had been barely breaking even in 22 (A profit of about US$ 3 million with ICC revenue share of about US$ 8 million) , was in loss before, and finally some profit in 23 (A Profit of Approx US$ 10 million while ICC revenue share was about US$15 million).

PS: State of Pakistani cricket finances was down in the dumps under the legendary premiership of Imran Khan and has actually improved in the last couple of years. That's something for your domestic politics guys to ponder over.

 

[Asif321]

Yes Pakistan has to stand firm . Enough of tantrums from India . Because this isn’t going anywhere every now and then same thing .

 

[Dr_Bassim]

All this thumping looks embarassing if at the end Pakistan will smile and accept hybrid model.

Which is what is going to happen.

 

[BouncerGuy]

This is a good chance for Pakistan to hold their ground because India is refusing to come for an ICC event. Last time it was an Asia cup thing so it might not have mattered much but Champions trophy is no small thing.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

You never cut off your nose to spite your face. That's the reason Pakistan is in the mess it is.

The time to have taken action was to sink the Asia cup. It is too late now to take that risk with the ICC. We could have tried during the tournament in India and sunk the ICC revenue in New York but we didn't.

At this juncture if we try to show the ICC a binary choice between us or India they will pick India and will continue to pick India going forwards.

This time we must think sensibly rather than cutting off our nose.

I disagree. It is because the PCB has always cowered to India's demands and accepted the status-quo that we are in this situation. A tournament in which a certain amount of games are held outside Pakistan is not really a tournament held in Pakistan. Especially one where the Pakistan, the home team has to travel outside the country. This doesn't happen in any other sport. Heck, it doesn't even happen to any other country in cricket. But somehow this kind of clearly discriminatory behaviour been normalized in our case.

Well, I was never in favour of Pakistan accepting the hybrid model for the Asia Cup. That in itself was a hugely damaging move by the Zaka Ashraf regime. But what's done is done, you can't change the past. You can learn from your mistakes and not repeat them though.

As for the World Cups, here was no reason for us to do this in those tournaments. India wasn't refusing to travel to Pakistan. But now if you don't draw the line in the sand somewhere, they will walk all over you and continue to do so in the future. What happens if Pakistan gets the hosting rights for a World Cup one day? If we accept this hybrid model than it will become the norm and always be used whenever we host another tournament.

We can agree to disagree, but personally I believe that Pakistan needs to send a clear message that it can't be pushed around like this. And the best way to do that is not by kicking India out of the tournament—which will never happen. It's by making the ICC feel the pain. Sometimes a little bit of short-term pain is necessary for long-term gain.

 

[light]

This whole drama could have been avoided had ICC also got either SL/BD involved in the first place to co-host this useless tournament. Honestly, this is on ICC at this point.

 

[Banda298]

2000 Aqi mein Champion trophy karegi Pak.... waah ..kya manzar hoga. Batsmen wont see the balls ..bowler wont see wickets .. waah waah

 

[Banda298]

J& K is again on the boil since new govt has come. How do u expect India to come over in view of all the t activity that is happening on both sides of the border ?

 

[Banda298]

i even read a report Pakistan may lose CT to South Africa if both sides dont agree to Hybrid. thats an even bigger loss to PCT

 

[shah9425]

i even read a report Pakistan may lose CT to South Africa if both sides dont agree to Hybrid. thats an even bigger loss to PCT

This is a propaganda spread by Indian media

 

[sweep_shot]

Pakistan should definitely not accept any hybrid model.

Pakistan should also refuse to play India during ICC events/Asia Cups, unless India come to Pakistan for CT 2025.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pakistan should definitely not accept any hybrid model.

Pakistan should also refuse to play India during ICC events/Asia Cups, unless India come to Pakistan for CT 2025.

BD should follow the same in support of Pakistan.

 

[Local.Dada]

BD should follow the same in support of Pakistan.

BD has as much as value in cricket as that guys opinions lol.