Why travel media is dangerous for Pakistan's tourism

[minamino]

Since there was a thread about how Pakistan is becoming a 'tourist' destination for small time YouTubers. How about this video? I agree with all the points presented by this girl and the third point is probably the truest of them all.

 

[Slog]

She is not really overtly negative. I think authorities should listen to her and implement her genuinely useful feedback

 

[minamino]

She is not really overtly negative. I think authorities should listen to her and implement her genuinely useful feedback

Can a woman wear revealing clothes in Pakistan? Forget about revealing clothes, I dont think they can wear even shorts that too in a hot weather so how could people say that Pakistan is a fine tourist destination when there is so much sensitivity? Whenever I go to Pakistan, I see that its men all over the roads and streets, I rarely see any woman in public places in Pakistan.

 

[Slog]

Can a woman wear revealing clothes in Pakistan? Forget about revealing clothes, I dont think they can wear even shorts that too in a hot weather so how could people say that Pakistan is a fine tourist destination when there is so much sensitivity? Whenever I go to Pakistan, I see that its men all over the roads and streets, I rarely see any woman in public places in Pakistan.

Most foreign women who visit Pakistan respect local customs and dress appropriately.

This year in my uni we took a group of about 25 people (one desi, 2 Aussies and rest white Americans) and they were very respectful and had a great time in Lahore, Islamabad and Hunza. Doing it again in 2020

I dont think Pakistan is as ready for solo travelers right now but groups its getting better.

Besides there is self selection as well. People coming to Pakistan enjoy cultural stuff and are cognizant of local customs. A guy or girl who wants to rage and get drunk every night won't be coming to Pakistan anyway so theres no risk that they might offend local customs through openly drinking or wearing revealing clothes

 

[minamino]

Most foreign women who visit Pakistan respect local customs and dress appropriately.

This year in my uni we took a group of about 25 people (one desi, 2 Aussies and rest white Americans) and they were very respectful and had a great time in Lahore, Islamabad and Hunza. Doing it again in 2020

I dont think Pakistan is as ready for solo travelers right now but groups its getting better.

Besides there is self selection as well. People coming to Pakistan enjoy cultural stuff and are cognizant of local customs. A guy or girl who wants to rage and get drunk every night won't be coming to Pakistan anyway so theres no risk that they might offend local customs through openly drinking or wearing revealing clothes

But as you said in the last part that some people might find it very boring as it was even suggested by Sri Lankan team manager (?) that players got really bored even though its a different situation for tourists but not much different as partying and all that stuff is part of white culture and not having that might bore people weeks into their trip. Dubai, Doha is much better in this regard and thats why they are attracting celebs from Love Island as well as Cristiano Ronaldo.

 

[Slog]

But as you said in the last part that some people might find it very boring as it was even suggested by Sri Lankan team manager (?) that players got really bored even though its a different situation for tourists but not much different as partying and all that stuff is part of white culture and not having that might bore people weeks into their trip. Dubai, Doha is much better in this regard and thats why they are attracting celebs from Love Island as well as Cristiano Ronaldo.

as I said it is a self selecting group.

People who are coming to Pakistan are coming for the cullture, the cuisine, the hospitality of the people land ofcourse the natural beauty.

They are not coming to get hammered and rage on the beach. These people would maybe get bored by the cultural value proposition in Lahore or the natural beauty of the Northern Areas but they are not the target market.

Of the 25 people in my uni who went with us last year; pretty much all say it was the trip of their lives. They are all naturally inquisitive people keen to learn about other cultures and have adventures. People from my uni who wanted to party over Spring Break went to other destinations.

 

[minamino]

as I said it is a self selecting group.

People who are coming to Pakistan are coming for the cullture, the cuisine, the hospitality of the people land ofcourse the natural beauty.

They are not coming to get hammered and rage on the beach. These people would maybe get bored by the cultural value proposition in Lahore or the natural beauty of the Northern Areas but they are not the target market.

Of the 25 people in my uni who went with us last year; pretty much all say it was the trip of their lives. They are all naturally inquisitive people keen to learn about other cultures and have adventures. People from my uni who wanted to party over Spring Break went to other destinations.

Sorry to say but it seems like the group about which you are talking about is a group of boring people who don't like to enjoy their lives and are more into the culture and other things. I wouldn't blame them though as the girl said that Pakistani govt should make it clear that what are do's and donts in Pakistan. I know my cousins who get really bored after a few days in Pakistan as well

 

[Kriketer]

You respect the local culture. What so hard about gripping that idea?

Party places, drunk fest, revealing clothes etc is what pleases you then go somewhere else. Not everyone has to follow the footsteps of the West. This world is made up of different traditions, religions, customs and cultures, get on with it instead of complaining how you find the place boring because it doesn't have the night life or the Western charm. It's the most idiotic argument one could come across.

 

[Slog]

Sorry to say but it seems like the group about which you are talking about is a group of boring people who don't like to enjoy their lives and are more into the culture and other things. I wouldn't blame them though as the girl said that Pakistani govt should make it clear that what are do's and donts in Pakistan. I know my cousins who get really bored after a few days in Pakistan as well

Yes because being into culture, food and natural beauty isn’t enjoying life but getting drunk is. Seems like someone has inferiority complex and tries to ape others

 

[Kriketer]

Sorry to say but it seems like the group about which you are talking about is a group of boring people who don't like to enjoy their lives and are more into the culture and other things. I wouldn't blame them though as the girl said that Pakistani govt should make it clear that what are do's and donts in Pakistan. I know my cousins who get really bored after a few days in Pakistan as well

You call them boring people because they enjoy culture over spring break? Lol how old are you?

Where would you enjoy your outings with your family let's say, would it be at boring places rich with culture and traditions or would it be at a club or bars? Don't make a naive case here. It holds no ground.

 

[ahsan17]

Sorry to say but it seems like the group about which you are talking about is a group of boring people who don't like to enjoy their lives and are more into the culture and other things. I wouldn't blame them though as the girl said that Pakistani govt should make it clear that what are do's and donts in Pakistan. I know my cousins who get really bored after a few days in Pakistan as well

People have different interests. Even people who drink a lot and party a lot might be interested in visiting places where those things are basically never done because there are other experiences in those places that are appealing to them. Besides, you seem to be very narrow minded in that your requirements for a successful tourism business is to at least make sure that you openly allow drinking and whatnot. No, people have other interests as well.

 

[minamino]

You call them boring people because they enjoy culture over spring break? Lol how old are you?

Where would you enjoy your outings with your family let's say, would it be at boring places rich with culture and traditions or would it be at a club or bars? Don't make a naive case here. It holds no ground.

Most of these travel bloggers don't even come with their families and I don't think any foreigner brings their whole family when they go to places like Pakistan tbf. What do you mean by rich in culture? Most of the Pakistani tourist sites are mosques and very few monuments. Foreigners prefer monuments like Eiffel Tower or the Tower Bridge over mosques.

 

[Slog]

Most of these travel bloggers don't even come with their families and I don't think any foreigner brings their whole family when they go to places like Pakistan tbf. What do you mean by rich in culture? Most of the Pakistani tourist sites are mosques and very few monuments. Foreigners prefer monuments like Eiffel Tower or the Tower Bridge over mosques.

Pakistan has forts, gardens, mountains, rivers and beautiful valleys especially in the northern areas. In the south there is a huge coastline as well as remains of 5000 year old civilizations (these aren’t marketed as much yet.)

What are you even talking about?

 

[Kriketer]

Most of these travel bloggers don't even come with their families and I don't think any foreigner brings their whole family when they go to places like Pakistan tbf. What do you mean by rich in culture? Most of the Pakistani tourist sites are mosques and very few monuments. Foreigners prefer monuments like Eiffel Tower or the Tower Bridge over mosques.

I would suggest you concentrate on your grade 8 Math class instead of posting comments online. You don't want to get in trouble if your teacher catches you using the phone.

 

[emranabbas]

Most of these travel bloggers don't even come with their families and I don't think any foreigner brings their whole family when they go to places like Pakistan tbf. What do you mean by rich in culture? Most of the Pakistani tourist sites are mosques and very few monuments. Foreigners prefer monuments like Eiffel Tower or the Tower Bridge over mosques.

Have you ever visited Pakistan?
If you have what areas of Pakistan you have visited?

 

[minamino]

Have you ever visited Pakistan?
If you have what areas of Pakistan you have visited?

I have travelled the whole Pakistan and i have family living there as well.

 

[minamino]

Pakistan has forts, gardens, mountains, rivers and beautiful valleys especially in the northern areas. In the south there is a huge coastline as well as remains of 5000 year old civilizations (these aren’t marketed as much yet.)

What are you even talking about?

What about the infrastructure in those Northern areas? How many five star hotels are there and I am sure you would have been there so you would know how dangerous the roads are there.

 

[minamino]

I would suggest you concentrate on your grade 8 Math class instead of posting comments online. You don't want to get in trouble if your teacher catches you using the phone.

I am in the second year of uni and I have aced all my exams so I don't need your lectures. Rather than attacking me personally, How about watching the video and what is she trying to say and why she was stopped from going to travel summit.

 

[Slog]

What about the infrastructure in those Northern areas? How many five star hotels are there and I am sure you would have been there so you would know how dangerous the roads are there.

It’s a work in progress obviously.

No one is saying the job is done and everything is perfect.

Most people here admit that there is a long way to go and in fact the lady in the video you’ve been posting everywhere makes good points.

But obviously there has to be a marketing push and it is bearing fruit with tourism numbers seeing significant uptick.

I’m not entirely sure what’s the point you’re trying to make. Earlier you had an issue about alcohol and not being open to revealing clothing and then you changed goalposts to not having anything beyond mosques and failing that now you’re at the infrastructure point. I don’t really know what direction you’re going or what you’re even trying to say at this point.

 

[Slog]

I am in the second year of uni and I have aced all my exams so I don't need your lectures. Rather than attacking me personally, How about watching the video and what is she trying to say and why she was stopped from going to travel summit.

Not to get personal but didn’t you say in another thread that nothing is going in right for you and you have no direction and that some random indian VJ is your inspiration? You’re Pakistani and your inspiration is a VJ many Indians don’t even know about?

 

[minamino]

It’s a work in progress obviously.

No one is saying the job is done and everything is perfect.

Most people here admit that there is a long way to go and in fact the lady in the video you’ve been posting everywhere makes good points.

But obviously there has to be a marketing push and it is bearing fruit with tourism numbers seeing significant uptick.

I’m not entirely sure what’s the point you’re trying to make. Earlier you had an issue about alcohol and not being open to revealing clothing and then you changed goalposts to not having anything beyond mosques and failing that now you’re at the infrastructure point. I don’t really know what direction you’re going or what you’re even trying to say at this point.

If tourism in the country going uphill, then shouldn't there be more 5 star hotels built at least in the main cities like Lahore and Karachi? What I am trying to say is that tourism in Pakistan is very one dimensional and it heavily relies on mosques and centuries-old building which are not even renovated properly. I know the Northern areas of Pakistan are beautiful but with beauty, you also need the infrastructure to back it now if I go to Gilgit and there is only one hotel there and the networks are poor as well then obviously it is going to affect my trip. The cultural clash in Pakistan is real. It is a heavily sensitive society and there was even a video about a man in Pakistan telling a tourist that she shouldn't ride a bike. Why? How does it concern him if a woman is riding a bike?

 

[Kriketer]

I am in the second year of uni and I have aced all my exams so I don't need your lectures. Rather than attacking me personally, How about watching the video and what is she trying to say and why she was stopped from going to travel summit.

A person who calls cultures, traditions and natural beauty boring over spring breaks and night life, don't know how serious we could take you. Don't whine now if you make silly claims online. And you don't stick to one problem, your list of problems is all over the place and it makes no sense.

How did what valid point this girl raised ended up in mosques are boring? nightlife in missing? solo white woman on a bike? etc etc. A person who aces exams doesn't make such naive claims without logical coherence.

 

[minamino]

Not to get personal but didn’t you say in another thread that nothing is going in right for you and you have no direction and that some random indian VJ is your inspiration? You’re Pakistani and your inspiration is a VJ many Indians don’t even know about?

I said about Ayushmann Khurrana because he's a successful actor and I don't think you could say that most Indians don't know about him. Growing up in the UK, Thanks to the non-existent entertainment industry of Pakistan, I was and still more inclined towards Bollywood and I grew up watching it so to finally see a short guy who looks like a normal guy being successful is gonna inspire someone like me who is not really tall or ticks the boxes of a macho man and even being a failure earlier in life even though I have never failed in anything but still.

 

[minamino]

A person who calls cultures, traditions and natural beauty boring over spring breaks and night life, don't know how serious we could take you. Don't whine now if you make silly claims online. And you don't stick to one problem, your list of problems is all over the place and it makes no sense.

How did what valid point this girl raised ended up in mosques are boring? nightlife in missing? solo white woman on a bike? etc etc. A person who aces exams doesn't make such naive claims without logical coherence.

Skip to the ending parts of the video where the girl talks about how overtly positive social media coverage of Pakistan might not help young and naive travel vloggers at all as they might not know about the societal norms of Pakistan as many people perceive Pakistan to be extremely similar to India and while India is more tolerant but Pakistan isn't that tolerant and small thing like girl wearing shorts might hurt the ego of some idiots in Pakistan.

 

[emranabbas]

If tourism in the country going uphill, then shouldn't there be more 5 star hotels built at least in the main cities like Lahore and Karachi? What I am trying to say is that tourism in Pakistan is very one dimensional and it heavily relies on mosques and centuries-old building which are not even renovated properly. I know the Northern areas of Pakistan are beautiful but with beauty, you also need the infrastructure to back it now if I go to Gilgit and there is only one hotel there and the networks are poor as well then obviously it is going to affect my trip. The cultural clash in Pakistan is real. It is a heavily sensitive society and there was even a video about a man in Pakistan telling a tourist that she shouldn't ride a bike. Why? How does it concern him if a woman is riding a bike?

I don't know about Karachi but there are few 5 start hotels in Lahore like PC Avari and bharia grand.

I have personally stayed in bharia and had an amazing experience.

Just googled and you have Serena hotel in gilgit looks amazing from pics

 

[emranabbas]

I think this guy is an Indian troll who has seen Pakistan through Bollywood movies only.

 

[Slog]

Skip to the ending parts of the video where the girl talks about how overtly positive social media coverage of Pakistan might not help young and naive travel vloggers at all as they might not know about the societal norms of Pakistan as many people perceive Pakistan to be extremely similar to India and while India is more tolerant but Pakistan isn't that tolerant and small thing like girl wearing shorts might hurt the ego of some idiots in Pakistan.

Lol your indian tolerant remark gives it away

But your inspiration being a random VJ was first clue

Good try though

 

[Slog]

^^Explains the saltiness too

 

[minamino]

Lol your indian tolerant remark gives it away

But your inspiration being a random VJ was first clue

Good try though

I don't know how saying India is more tolerant than Pakistan means that you are Indian. That guy is not a random VJ but okay. I am talking about big cities in India and they might be more tolerant than big cities of Pakistan except Islamabad because its a new city.

 

[Slog]

I don't know how saying India is more tolerant than Pakistan means that you are Indian. That guy is not a random VJ but okay. I am talking about big cities in India and they might be more tolerant than big cities of Pakistan except Islamabad because its a new city.

Yea I agree india is more tolerant to dressing but certainly women aren’t any safer. The rape and harassment rates are through the roof.

In any case most of your points have been debunked and you keep shifting goal posts and while it fun while it lasted I’ll take my leave.

 

[minamino]

Pakistan should learn from UAE how to become a tourist destination. These controlled travel vloggers coming in wont help anyways.

 

[ahsan17]

Most of these travel bloggers don't even come with their families and I don't think any foreigner brings their whole family when they go to places like Pakistan tbf. What do you mean by rich in culture? Most of the Pakistani tourist sites are mosques and very few monuments. Foreigners prefer monuments like Eiffel Tower or the Tower Bridge over mosques.

Are you shooting from your hip? How many videos have you watched? You have no idea what you are talking about There are plenty of families that have toured. Go check the videos to look at what tourist sites people are visiting before making ignorant remarks.

 

[minamino]

Are you shooting from your hip? How many videos have you watched? You have no idea what you are talking about There are plenty of families that have toured. Go check the videos to look at what tourist sites people are visiting before making ignorant remarks.

I have watched videos from every vlogger who came to Pakistan and there are very few people who came with their families to Pakistan

 

[Abdullah719]

Pakistan should learn from UAE how to become a tourist destination. These controlled travel vloggers coming in wont help anyways.

Are you an Emirati, by any chance?

 

[Slog]

I have watched videos from every vlogger who came to Pakistan and there are very few people who came with their families to Pakistan

You do know that travel vloggers by nature of how it works, travel solo usually.

When I went with a big group of Americans last year we met an Austrian family and also some other European and Chinese couples.

 

[ahsan17]

I have watched videos from every vlogger who came to Pakistan and there are very few people who came with their families to Pakistan

So it changed from "don't think any foreigner brings their whole family" to "very few". There are more than a very few. How much percentage are you expecting to be families? Usually very few families make big travel plans that require long distance plane travel. This is true in North America, Europe at the very least, since it is very hard and expensive to travel with families.

 

[minamino]

You do know that travel vloggers by nature of how it works, travel solo usually.

When I went with a big group of Americans last year we met an Austrian family and also some other European and Chinese couples.

I am not the one talking about families. It's the other guy who said tourists bring their families. I know that travel vloggers travel alone.

 

[ahsan17]

I am not the one talking about families. It's the other guy who said tourists bring their families. I know that travel vloggers travel alone.

How do you know how many families are traveling anyway? It's not like this data is recorded. For me personally, I know families travel far less than solo or groups of young people, because of cost and difficulty and taking children. But at the same time, I don't claim to know what the numbers are for Pakistan, because that data isn't published AFAIK.

 

[saeed5646]

I think this guy is an Indian troll who has seen Pakistan through Bollywood movies only.

Lol your indian tolerant remark gives it away

But your inspiration being a random VJ was first clue

Good try though

Was about to say this .he is obviously indian troll

 

[Mian]

Don't feed the troll guys he joined the forum yesterday and most of his posts are directly or indirectly only to bash Pakistan image and half of his posts are about Pakistan tourism.