Why was Younis Khan poor outside Asia in Tests?

[Kaka4pope]

Considering our infrastructure, Younis has had a stellar career - we never improve our batsmen, and Younis’s century on every shore is a sign of his qualities as a test batsman despite his flaws, which were never going to be ironed out. Even if it’s only considered a decent overseas record, given our system, Younis is a modern great.

Many of our best players I believe, have not fulfilled their credentials, not achieving high levels of consistency despite lighting up the scene in their early years.

Simple basics like bodyweight - Inzamam overweight, Akhtar over bulked...they would have reached another level otherwise.

Mohammad Sami.... still clocking 90mph in his mid thirties, other countries would’ve made far more of him.

 

[BaankeJi]

One word - he was not poor.

 

[RickyG]

LOL, can't challenge the number hence trying to get personal? I can understand that. No issues, we all have the right to apply balm to our wounds.

Coming back to the point, when we speak about the performance of Asian players outside Asia, we don't specifically speak about the countries outside Asia where a player has failed. We speak about their performance as whole outside Asia. That has always been the norm. Now if you want to change that and speak about individual countries because your Younis Khan comes out a cropper, go ahead.

Just like posters were busy for the last year looking at Ashwin and Yasir's averages outside Asia. Why? Because that has been the norm. It's understandable you dislike this thread because those facts and numbers don't please you.

Posters like you is one of the reasons I frequent this site less and less. The quality of posting has dwindled due to the larger number of trolls.

My Younis khan? I don't own Younis Khan. You actually ignored every relevant point in my post and have continued to seek the attention you're probably not getting in your real life.

The balm to your wounds is to anonymously seek attention online.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Because of Pakistan's poor "openers"?

He was always batting inside first 5 overs

Hey I ain't putting excuses; y'all asked a question and this is 1st thing that comes to my mind

He scored 100 everywhere he played

 

[ayemgilani86]

Its about temperament, not just record, he was a 4th innings master, he has centuries everywhere, he scored a 70 odd not out in Saffa in a tough chase and there were other amazing knocks as well

 

[QalandarFan]

Not the best player of pace he could manage though, but man the way he used to play spin was just exceptional. And his fourth innings record along with his record in Asia proves it.

 

[Bilal7]

He was a great player outside Asia. I would think that even a child would know that centuries are not the be all, end all of showcasing batting success but I guess not.

Khan averages 50+ in both Australia and England. His average in South Africa is decent by Asian standards and doing poorly in the West Indies has nothing to do with a batsman's inability to handle pace bowling these days.

Along with this, he was invincible in Asia and against spin. One of the best of all time against the slower bowlers.

A certified ATG and one of the top five Asian test batsmen:

1) Sachin
2) Gavasker
3) Miandad
4) Sangakkara
5) Younis

 

[Bilal7]

The awkward moment when you realize that Younis Khan has a better record in SENA than Rahul Dravid. This is despite Dravid filling his boots against a severely depleted Australian attack (What is with India and facing weak Aussie teams?) and facing much weaker English and Kiwi attacks than Younis Khan.

 

[QalandarFan]

Younis Khan is Pakistan second greatest test batsman behind Javed. Sure he wasn't as stylish as Inzi or MoYo but he was a gutsy batsman who scored runs everywhere, and no matter the situation. Off topic a bit but man YK destroyed the Aussie bowlers in the twilight of his career. He scored 766 runs against them in his last 5 matches with 4 hundred at an average of 96! Took sweet revenge for that Sharjah match!

 

[QalandarFan]

He was a great player outside Asia. I would think that even a child would know that centuries are not the be all, end all of showcasing batting success but I guess not.

Khan averages 50+ in both Australia and England. His average in South Africa is decent by Asian standards and doing poorly in the West Indies has nothing to do with a batsman's inability to handle pace bowling these days.

Along with this, he was invincible in Asia and against spin. One of the best of all time against the slower bowlers.

A certified ATG and one of the top five Asian test batsmen:

1) Sachin
2) Gavasker
3) Miandad
4) Sangakkara
5) Younis

+1

 

[Rahul1]

The awkward moment when you realize that Younis Khan has a better record in SENA than Rahul Dravid. This is despite Dravid filling his boots against a severely depleted Australian attack (What is with India and facing weak Aussie teams?) and facing much weaker English and Kiwi attacks than Younis Khan.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=batting

Ok.

 

[shariqnoor]

Younis Khan is an ATG Pakistani batsman but definitely not in cricket's ATG list. To me Younis Khan is second tier with the likes of Jayawardene, Cook, Laxman, Clarke.

Also I think Younis has never really batted in a lineup that was great in batting and really had no support. Sure he batted with Inzamam and Yousuf but Inzamam's last great year was 2005 and went downhill after that. Younis only started to become a great batsman on the India tour of 2005. So Younis' stellar career as a batsman only started after 2005, the time when Inzamam started declining. So he couldn't capitalize on the runs that he could've made with Inzi. Yousuf became a beast in 2006 and you saw how Younis and Yousuf together piled on the runs. But there was still not much support from the others.

So while Younis may be only averaging 40, I believe that had he got the level of batsmen that lets say India had in their middle order, we would've seen Younis averaging 45 and much higher in the list.

 

[Ashmal]

Well...Younis was certainly not the best player against pace but he wasn't the worst either.

An avg of 40+ in non-Asian conditions alongwith great stats in Asia is anything but poor.

He did well in ENG, NZ, Aus.
He underachieved in WI(which is surpeising) and SA. But still has got a 100 in all test nations.

SO this thread is a troll and kinda attention-seeking.

 

[Shandarchowka]

The awkward moment when you realize that Younis Khan has a better record in SENA than Rahul Dravid. This is despite Dravid filling his boots against a severely depleted Australian attack (What is with India and facing weak Aussie teams?) and facing much weaker English and Kiwi attacks than Younis Khan.

And mind you, Younis didn't tour Australia and England in his PRIME years in 2010. Makes you realize how legendary Younis' stats are and how immense he is as a cricketer!






Haters --

 

[Banter]

And mind you, Younis didn't tour Australia and England in his PRIME years in 2010. Makes you realize how legendary Younis' stats are and how immense he is as a cricketer!






Haters --

You do realize that the actual stats show Dravid well ahead of YK! But facts don't seem to matter on this thread!

 

[Mr Crickekter]

How many match winning innings he has played in Asia......

 

[Bilal7]

You do realize that the actual stats show Dravid well ahead of YK! But facts don't seem to matter on this thread!

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=batting

Ok.

Read my comment again. Dravid's stats are quite boosted because he bullied Australia when they were without their best bowlers; NZ back when they were a weak team; and played a couple of series when England were weaker as well.

Despite this, he averages a good two points lower than Khan in Australia and South Africa and although Dravid has excellent numbers in England, Khan averaged around 50 there as well.

I'll take the guy who did better in Australia and South Africa over the guy who did better in New Zealand in this context.

 

[Rahul1]

Read my comment again. Dravid's stats are quite boosted because he bullied Australia when they were without their best bowlers; NZ back when they were a weak team; and played a couple of series when England were weaker as well.

Despite this, he averages a good two points lower than Khan in Australia and South Africa and although Dravid has excellent numbers in England, Khan averaged around 50 there as well.

I'll take the guy who did better in Australia and South Africa over the guy who did better in New Zealand in this context.

Keep making excuses. No one outside Pakistan cares about 'ATG' Younis Khan while Dravid is regarded as an ATG universally.

 

[Bilal7]

Keep making excuses. No one outside Pakistan cares about 'ATG' Younis Khan while Dravid is regarded as an ATG universally.

Khan is regarded as a legend worldwide. Dravid is well respected but performance-wise, he's an inferior batsman to Younis Khan.

 

[Hyperion66]

Always a fan Younis' grit and temperament but truth be told his tap dancing on seeming wickets was an embarrassing sight. In terms of impact, spin playing and match winning ability in Asia Sehwag dwarfs him by a big margin and Sehwag himself is a borderline ATG at best.

Credit to Younis, despite being a limited batsman against pace achieved a very respectable average outside home through sheer willpower. Not an ATG still a fantastic batsman in his own right.

 

[cricketjoshila]

There is a reason why YK is not considered a real ATG. This is the reason. Unable to handle fast bowlers outside Asia.

Inzy and Miandad are far better batsmen.

 

[JattMaula]

You do realize that the actual stats show Dravid well ahead of YK! But facts don't seem to matter on this thread!

This is post-truth world and on top off that, we are on an anonymous internet forum.

 

[Ted123]

An average of 39 outside Asia poor?

Explain me, Indian fans! It is far better average than Sehwag and Pujara.

10,000+ test runs, Average of 52, 34 test hundreds.

50+ average in England and Australia. Genuine ATG!

 

[Ab Fan]

Younis is a borderline ATG, in same league as Anil Kumble.

As a test batsman, Younis is slightly better to Inzy and much better than Moyo.

Moyo has inflated his stats the most by Bangladesh bashing on absolute flat home wickets. If you exclude Bangladesh, his average comes down to 48 and his total runs tally was also far more lower than Younis and Inzy.

Younis and Inzy are 48-49 averaging batsman and similar to Sehwag while Moyo is a 46-47 averaging batsman and similar to Pujara.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Top 10 Asian Batsman in tests:
1.Sachin
2.Gavaskar
3.Sangakkara
4.Dravid
5.Kohli
6.Miandad
7.Inzamam
8.Younis
9.Sehwag
10.Mahela/ Yousuf.

 

[MenInG]

Younis Khan and Shahid Afridi are two ends of the world when it comes to their style of batting. The current Pakistan batting coach was methodical, patient, someone who can be an ideal example of textbook batting to young kids. Afridi, on the other hand, was box-office. There was no guarantee of success but entertainment came with added interest.

In a recent interaction with a Pakistani TV channel, Younis recalled an incident that highlighted the stark differences of the batting style between the two Pakistan stalwarts.

Younis said in a Test match against India in Pakistan, the home crowd wanted him and Mohammad Yousuf to get out so that they can watch Afridi’s blistering batting.

“Mohammad Yusuf was batting on 170 and I was probably on 150. And we were playing against India. Suddenly people start shouting ‘please get Younis Khan out, please dismiss Mohammad Yousuf.’ I was amazed that I was about to get to 200 and we are playing against India in Pakistan but people are chanting. They basically wanted Shahid Afridi in the crease,” Younis said as even Afridi could not control his laughter on the show.

Younis did not clarify which match he was talking about but there is only one Test in Pakistan in which both he and Yousuf got hundreds against India. It took place in Lahore in 2006.

Younis had scored 199 while Yousuf slammed 173 as Pakistan pummelled the Indian bowling attack on a flat track. They ended up scoring 679/7 batting first.

Younis further added that the crowd left as soon as Afridi got out and nobody waited for his double hundred.

“Shahid Afridi came to the crease. Hit a few sixes here and there and got out. Amazingly, the crowd left with him. They got value for their money. But here I was nearing a double hundred in front of an empty stand,” he added.

Afridi, however had smashed a hundred in that match. The attacking all-rounder hit 7 sixes in his 80-ball 103.

In reply, Indian openers Virender Sehwag and Rahul Dravid showcased an even better batting performance. The duo put together a record 410-run stand as the rain-affected Test ended in a tame draw. Sehwag scored 254 off 247 balls while Dravid remained unbeaten on 128.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...-watch-shahid-afridi-bat-101622546950599.html

 

[gazza619]

Younis Khan and Shahid Afridi are two ends of the world when it comes to their style of batting. The current Pakistan batting coach was methodical, patient, someone who can be an ideal example of textbook batting to young kids. Afridi, on the other hand, was box-office. There was no guarantee of success but entertainment came with added interest.

In a recent interaction with a Pakistani TV channel, Younis recalled an incident that highlighted the stark differences of the batting style between the two Pakistan stalwarts.

Younis said in a Test match against India in Pakistan, the home crowd wanted him and Mohammad Yousuf to get out so that they can watch Afridi’s blistering batting.

“Mohammad Yusuf was batting on 170 and I was probably on 150. And we were playing against India. Suddenly people start shouting ‘please get Younis Khan out, please dismiss Mohammad Yousuf.’ I was amazed that I was about to get to 200 and we are playing against India in Pakistan but people are chanting. They basically wanted Shahid Afridi in the crease,” Younis said as even Afridi could not control his laughter on the show.

Younis did not clarify which match he was talking about but there is only one Test in Pakistan in which both he and Yousuf got hundreds against India. It took place in Lahore in 2006.

Younis had scored 199 while Yousuf slammed 173 as Pakistan pummelled the Indian bowling attack on a flat track. They ended up scoring 679/7 batting first.

Younis further added that the crowd left as soon as Afridi got out and nobody waited for his double hundred.

“Shahid Afridi came to the crease. Hit a few sixes here and there and got out. Amazingly, the crowd left with him. They got value for their money. But here I was nearing a double hundred in front of an empty stand,” he added.

Afridi, however had smashed a hundred in that match. The attacking all-rounder hit 7 sixes in his 80-ball 103.

In reply, Indian openers Virender Sehwag and Rahul Dravid showcased an even better batting performance. The duo put together a record 410-run stand as the rain-affected Test ended in a tame draw. Sehwag scored 254 off 247 balls while Dravid remained unbeaten on 128.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...-watch-shahid-afridi-bat-101622546950599.html

That test series was the most entertaining ever. Afridi, Younis, Asif, Inzi and MoYo were at the peak of their game.

 

[Majid Khan]

Younis Khan was an enigma as a batsman, let me explain.

He was a nervous and fidgety batsman at the start of his innings , especially against pace and swing , which is why he had a lot of dismissals that I recall getting out early for under 10 runs , usually lbw. And this would be higher outside Asia given there’s more lateral movement.

I would guess that of all the 50 averaging test batsmen, Younis Khan would have most dismissals between 0-10.

However , once Younis Khan got past his initial hurdles , he settled down and looked invincible and performed against all kinds of bowling, although clearly very strong against spin. He was a fine batsman and his record of 10000 test runs with 50 average speaks for itself, at the end of the day.

Although not as prolific or in same class as Younis as a batsman, but he reminded me a little bit of his pre-decessor at number 3 , Ijaz Ahmad , who also was very poor and fidgety at the start of his innings - but once Ijaz settled also, he scored test 100s against Australia in Australia even..

 

[gazza619]

Younis Khan was an enigma as a batsman, let me explain.

He was a nervous and fidgety batsman at the start of his innings , especially against pace and swing , which is why he had a lot of dismissals that I recall getting out early for under 10 runs , usually lbw. And this would be higher outside Asia given there’s more lateral movement.

I would guess that of all the 50 averaging test batsmen, Younis Khan would have most dismissals between 0-10.

However , once Younis Khan got past his initial hurdles , he settled down and looked invincible and performed against all kinds of bowling, although clearly very strong against spin. He was a fine batsman and his record of 10000 test runs with 50 average speaks for itself, at the end of the day.

Although not as prolific or in same class as Younis as a batsman, but he reminded me a little bit of his pre-decessor at number 3 , Ijaz Ahmad , who also was very poor and fidgety at the start of his innings - but once Ijaz settled also, he scored test 100s against Australia in Australia even..

The best thing about Younis was that he was a completely different batsman between 80 and 100. I dont know how he managed to that power hitting all of a sudden. I am pretty sure that if someone did an a statistic of highest strike rate in that score range, Younis would be right up there in the list.

 

[Ab Fan]

He is underrated. He was not poor outside Asia. 10000+ runs and 50+ average, he is an ATG and Pakistan's greatest test batsman.

 

[subshakerz]

Tests- 38; Innings - 71; Runs - 2662; Ave - 39.14; 100's - 6; 50's - 11


He played a grand total of 213 innings in his career. Out of them, he played 71 innings outside of Asia (Minus Zimbabwe). His century per innings ratio comes down to 11.83


Let's look at the number of innings he has played in each country outside Asia -

in Aus - 12

in SA - 16

in Eng - 16

in NZ - 12

in WI - 15


That comes down to a grand total of 71 innings outside Asia, bar Zimbabwe. Certainly not a small sample size by any means.

Even if you include matches played in Zimbabwe, his average remains 42.30

Certainly poor returns by a player who is hailed by his fans as an ATG.


Link: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...orderby=default;template=results;type=batting

This is a bit misleading because you include West Indies, which is a subpar team. He has an unusually poor record in West Indies which is an anomaly. Otherwise his record in SENA is quite good.

He averages over 50 in Australia and England and over 40 in NZ and over 30 in SA. By subcontinent standards, that is very good.

Just for reference, he averaged over 40 in 7 out of 11 series in SENA. How can you say he is poor?

 

[Ab Fan]

He is underrated. He was not poor outside Asia. 10000+ runs and 50+ average, he is an ATG and Pakistan's greatest test batsman.

Or if not ATG, then same level to Ashwin and Kumble.

 

[Majid Khan]

The best thing about Younis was that he was a completely different batsman between 80 and 100. I dont know how he managed to that power hitting all of a sudden. I am pretty sure that if someone did an a statistic of highest strike rate in that score range, Younis would be right up there in the list.

Yes agree, and this is where statistics don’t immediately tell the full story.

Younis Khan was a ‘confidence’ player , as a batsman , who was a player who became a different batsman who could look about 10 times superior to the nervous, fidgety, scratchy batsman he looked barely an hour and half ago , in the same match on the same pitch and against the same quality of bowling. He was a human being when batting who had frailties and moments when the confidence was high and other times when it was low, and this reflected in his batting.

In contrast with a more ‘machine’ ( as in less human) like batsman such as Jacques Kallis or Rahul Dravid who were different also in that they were clearly at the same emotional and confidence level throughout their innings. They just got it with it from first ball and looked the same high class batsmen throughout. Basically put the plug in, switch the power button on and the batting machine works, it just gets runs.. Younis was not like that, he had to play himself in and get confidence from his form on the day.

 

[MesonK]

Indians hiding behind opinions again. lol

I will soon post some hard to digest stats (for Indians). YK is no Sangakara but he is better than most Indian "greats" in recent generations. As a matter of fact he is better than anything Indians have produced post 2000s except for Kohli (nobody knows where Kohli himself will end after 29 like average in last 2 years, thats no ATG).

Stats matter, opinions do not !

 

[moghul]

He was poor against quality bowling and outside south Asia , but thanks to being a UAE king, his overall tally of runs and test average was impressive. But , people who know cricket, including myself, don;t rate him very high as a batsman.

 

[Ashmal]

He was poor against quality bowling and outside south Asia , but thanks to being a UAE king, his overall tally of runs and test average was impressive. But , people who know cricket, including myself, don;t rate him very high as a batsman.

Well... there are plenty of people who know and have also played cricket who rate Younis Khan very highly.

An avg of 50+ in Eng/Aus and 40+ in NZ apart from being stellar in Asia....and yet people say he was poor.

Yes he wasn't as fluent against fast bowlers but he knew how to grind it out and score runs....otherwise he wouldn't have managed a 50+ avg in Eng/Aus.

And he was one of the GoATs against spin bowling....this alone makes him a special player.

I don't know why people here don't rate spin-playing ability that highly.
As we saw in recent Ind/Eng series there are plenty of 'modern legends' who can't even survive a straight one from the spinners.

 

[moghul]

Well... there are plenty of people who know and have also played cricket who rate Younis Khan very highly.

An avg of 50+ in Eng/Aus and 40+ in NZ apart from being stellar in Asia....and yet people say he was poor.

Yes he wasn't as fluent against fast bowlers but he knew how to grind it out and score runs....otherwise he wouldn't have managed a 50+ avg in Eng/Aus.

And he was one of the GoATs against spin bowling....this alone makes him a special player.

I don't know why people here don't rate spin-playing ability that highly.
As we saw in recent Ind/Eng series there are plenty of 'modern legends' who can't even survive a straight one from the spinners.

Another quality of YK must be appreciated, he wont miss any chance to inflate his average in helpful condition and flat wickets. For example , in his last tour to England in 2016, he failed miserably in first 6 innings but in the 4th test at the flattest of English wickets at oval, he scored 218 and was able to keep his tour average at a very good 48. That was typical Yunis Khan , poor against quality bowling but very good at flat wickets .

Another quality he possessed and I admire, his physical fitness and ability to stay at the wicket for long, in helpful conditions , only.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Or if not ATG, then same level to Ashwin and Kumble.

Ashwin is a couple of notches above Kumble.

 

[Farabi]

Tests- 38; Innings - 71; Runs - 2662; Ave - 39.14; 100's - 6; 50's - 11


He played a grand total of 213 innings in his career. Out of them, he played 71 innings outside of Asia (Minus Zimbabwe). His century per innings ratio comes down to 11.83


Let's look at the number of innings he has played in each country outside Asia -

in Aus - 12

in SA - 16

in Eng - 16

in NZ - 12

in WI - 15


That comes down to a grand total of 71 innings outside Asia, bar Zimbabwe. Certainly not a small sample size by any means.

Even if you include matches played in Zimbabwe, his average remains 42.30

Certainly poor returns by a player who is hailed by his fans as an ATG.


Link: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...orderby=default;template=results;type=batting

Where is the benchmark, what are you comparing this with? You should also provide the average of the ATG batsmen average outside Asia as a benchmark no
I bet India's current top 6 average less than 40 outside Asia barring probably Kohli.

 

[Ab Fan]

Ashwin is a couple of notches above Kumble.

Harsh on Kumble. He has 600+ test wickets and took a 8-fer in Sydney in a decider.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Where is the benchmark, what are you comparing this with? You should also provide the average of the ATG batsmen average outside Asia as a benchmark no
I bet India's current top 6 average less than 40 outside Asia barring probably Kohli.

Current. Well Younis should be compared to Tendulkar and Dravid.
Also Pujara has more match winning innings in Australia alone whereas the only overseas of any note from Younis are two, one in India and in England. You would expect much more from an ATG, which Younis is not.

 

[sindhiboy]

Averaging 50 in england and Australia.
Above 40 in New Zealand.
He averages more in south Africa than Rahul dravid, yet Younis was a poor batsman outside Asia

His overall away average is negatively affected by his avg of 20 in the windies

 

[subshakerz]

If you ask me, ATG is a very special status. It means someone you would shortlist for an all-time XI, so outside Tendulkar, Lara, Steve Smith and maybe Ponting, nobody else qualifies in the modern age.

Sangakarra, Dravid, Kallis and Younis Khan are a rung beneath that.

 

[Jazx]

Younis was excellent against spin and awfull against swing, seam and bounce. A simple and straight forward reason he was not so successful outside Asia.

 

[Ab Fan]

If you ask me, ATG is a very special status. It means someone you would shortlist for an all-time XI, so outside Tendulkar, Lara, Steve Smith and maybe Ponting, nobody else qualifies in the modern age.

Sangakarra, Dravid, Kallis and Younis Khan are a rung beneath that.

Kallis is definitely an ATG all-rounder. Its not even a debate. 13000 test runs and 45 test hundreds alone give him ATG tag, even after discarding his 295 test wickets.

 

[shamaan]

Younis was excellent against spin and awfull against swing, seam and bounce. A simple and straight forward reason he was not so successful outside Asia.

He stil had an average of 50 against England

 

[Jazx]

He stil had an average of 50 against England

Haha, yeah it's a very strange fact that almost all the pakistani greats had a great record in England but very few have succeeded in Australia and South Africa. Same with Younis also, he never looked fluent against fast bowlers throughout his career but had a good record in England

 

[shamaan]

Haha, yeah it's a very strange fact that almost all the pakistani greats had a great record in England but very few have succeeded in Australia and South Africa. Same with Younis also, he never looked fluent against fast bowlers throughout his career but had a good record in England

Younis Khan averaged 50 in Australia

 

[Ab Fan]

10 greatest batsman in last 20 years:-

Tendulkar
Smith
Lara
Ponting
Kohli
Kallis
Sangakkara
Dravid
de Villiers
Younis khan

 

[sharmaji]

Wonderful batsman Younis was. Once he settled in after playing 50 balls, he was always a treat to watch. I am a big fan of Younis and Yousuf. Yousuf for his elegance and Younis for his grit. Pak batting was fine with these two along with Inzamam. I am happy that Younis is part of the coaching staff for the current PCT.

And no, Younis was not poor outside Asia. Only towards the end of his career (he was almost 40 by then) did he struggle with fast and short-pitched bowling. I rate him along with Dravid and Sangakkara, maybe even higher than them.

 

[Jazx]

Younis Khan averaged 50 in Australia

Really then why this thread is created . Then I would say that he was a batsman who inspite of being weak against fast bowling succeeded with his grit and mental toughness in test matches. I think you are happy now

 

[MesonK]

(PAK, IND, SL, BAN) Players debuting post year 2000

Minimum overall career runs:6000
Minimum SENAW career runs: 2000

overall average in SENAW


Sangakarra: 44.6 at 7/16 (including 200)

Kohli: 44.6 at 12/12 (including 200)

Y Khan: 39.1 at 6/11 (including 200)

Azhar Ali: 35.0 at 5/10 (including 200)

Sehwag: 35.1 at 5/7

Pujara: 33.6 at 5/10


............ Like I said above, except for Kohli, Younis is better in all aspects compared to anything India has produced in last 2 decades.

 

[shamaan]

Really then why this thread is created . Then I would say that he was a batsman who inspite of being weak against fast bowling succeeded with his grit and mental toughness in test matches. I think you are happy now

You will have to ask the person who created this thread.younis Khan isn't obviously as good as Tendulkar but he's definitely in the same league as dravid.

 

[MesonK]

You will have to ask the person who created this thread.younis Khan isn't obviously as good as Tendulkar but he's definitely in the same league as dravid.

Going by pure stats and I mean the filtered ones in SENAW, he is easily the third best batsmen Asia has produced in last two decades behind Sanga and Kohli.

Sanga was just a different animal. Miles above the rest.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

He was poor against quality bowling and outside south Asia , but thanks to being a UAE king, his overall tally of runs and test average was impressive. But , people who know cricket, including myself, don;t rate him very high as a batsman.

Even before we started playing tests in UAE, Younis was already averaging 50+ in 2010.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

he is easily the third best batsmen Asia has produced in last two decades behind Sanga and Kohli. .

That's quite obvious, no one is denying this.
Still not an ATG.

 

[Bhaijaan]

He was a little bit of a coward as batsman while playing white ball cricket and all kind of cricket outside Asian block which is why despite having good test numbers it's still bit u comfortable to call him a great batsman because he wasn't.

Chivalry is like a very important factor for a batsman.

 

[Ab Fan]

He is Pakistan's greatest batsman by far.

10,0000+ runs
50+ average
30+ hundreds

Only legitimate ATGs are capable of producing such outputs and Younis Bhai is definitely one for the ages.

 

[Bhaijaan]

He is Pakistan's greatest batsman by far.

10,0000+ runs
50+ average
30+ hundreds

Only legitimate ATGs are capable of producing such outputs and Younis Bhai is definitely one for the ages.

He's not even their best batsman since 2000s because that would be Babar Azam

 

[Zaz]

Avges 44 in sena with 5 tons in 30 games

I wouldnt call that poor at all

 

[Ab Fan]

He's not even their best batsman since 2000s because that would be Babar Azam

The three greatest Asian batsman since 2000s in my opinion are :-

1. Virat Kohli
2. Babar Azam
3. Younis 'Ever Smiling' Khan

 

[Markhor]

He's not even their best batsman since 2000s because that would be Babar Azam

Babar Azam is not fit to shine Younis Khan's boots as a Test batsman.

 

[cricketAXEpert]

Tests- 38; Innings - 71; Runs - 2662; Ave - 39.14; 100's - 6; 50's - 11


He played a grand total of 213 innings in his career. Out of them, he played 71 innings outside of Asia (Minus Zimbabwe). His century per innings ratio comes down to 11.83


Let's look at the number of innings he has played in each country outside Asia -

in Aus - 12

in SA - 16

in Eng - 16

in NZ - 12

in WI - 15


That comes down to a grand total of 71 innings outside Asia, bar Zimbabwe. Certainly not a small sample size by any means.

Even if you include matches played in Zimbabwe, his average remains 42.30

Certainly poor returns by a player who is hailed by his fans as an ATG.


Link: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...orderby=default;template=results;type=batting

Not an ATG, but still a hell of a batsman.

 

[MesonK]

The three greatest Asian batsman since 2000s in my opinion are :-

1. Virat Kohli
2. Babar Azam
3. Younis 'Ever Smiling' Khan

By no means Kohli is above Sanga"the beast"Kara (He debuted in 2000). Do you want me to post their numbers?

Kohli might end his career far below Sanga in overall numbers (going by his elongated failure patch for two years, averaging 29).

 

[shamaan]

Going by pure stats and I mean the filtered ones in SENAW, he is easily the third best batsmen Asia has produced in last two decades behind Sanga and Kohli.

Sanga was just a different animal. Miles above the rest.

Yes I agree with you pluss he had one of the safest hands in the slips for Pakistan

 

[shamaan]

The three greatest Asian batsman since 2000s in my opinion are :-

1. Virat Kohli
2. Babar Azam
3. Younis 'Ever Smiling' Khan

Younis Khan is double the Bateman babar is he hasn't reached even quarter of that younis was

 

[Ab Fan]

By no means Kohli is above Sanga"the beast"Kara (He debuted in 2000). <B>Do you want me to post their numbers?</B>

Kohli might end his career far below Sanga in overall numbers (going by his elongated failure patch for two years, averaging 29).

Nope, not stats but I would want you to post their overall legacy.

 

[Ab Fan]

Younis Khan is double the Bateman babar is he hasn't reached even quarter of that younis was

I agree with you. Just ignore FC, he hates whoever is known for 'smiling forever'. I agree with you on Younis Khan that he is truly a legendary test batsman as I posted based on below facts:-

10,000+ runs
50+ average
30+ hundreds

 

[Bhaijaan]

Babar Azam is not fit to shine Younis Khan's boots as a Test batsman.

Younis Khan is standing bare footed amongst the batting greats.

Granted Babar Azam himself hasn't done anything ground breaking as a batsman and he too is under the threat of retiring as just another impact less, personality less stat padder, still he's a superior batsman to Yoni easily, even in red ball cricket.

 

[Bhaijaan]

The three greatest Asian batsman since 2000s in my opinion are :-

1. Virat Kohli
2. Babar Azam
3. Younis 'Ever Smiling' Khan

You seemed to have vowed to only give false statements today

1. Kohli
2. Sangakkara
3. Sharma

Considering Sehwag a player of the 90s marginally otherwise he replaces Sharma

 

[Ab Fan]

You seemed to have vowed to only give false statements today

1. Kohli
2. Sangakkara
3. Sharma

Considering Sehwag a player of the 90s marginally otherwise he replaces Sharma

I disagree. Sharma or Babar maybe a better batsman for fans like you who think looking aesthetically pleasing on camera means they are better or greater batsman but test cricket is much more than that. It is a game of grit, resilience and patience.

Younis khan is arguably one of the greatest batsman to have lived under crisis situation and below mentioned facts will further enhance his legacy and reputation as a truly great test batsman:-

10,000+ test runs
52+ overall average
30+ hundreds
50+ average in Australia, England and India

Many cricketers will come and go but very few will ever live a long lasting legacy like Khan has in his 18 years of phenomenal career.

 

[Bhaijaan]

I disagree. Sharma or Babar maybe a better batsman for girl fans like you who think looking aesthetically pleasing on camera means they are better or greater batsman but test cricket is much more than that. It is a game of grit, resilience and patience.

Younis khan is arguably one of the greatest batsman to have lived under crisis situation and below mentioned facts will further enhance his legacy and reputation as a truly great test batsman:-

10,000+ test runs
52+ overall average
30+ hundreds
50+ average in Australia, England and India

Many cricketers will come and go but very few will ever live a long lasting legacy like Khan has in his 18 years of phenomenal career.

lol

 

[Ab Fan]

lol

This is a very poor and arrogant response to a well-presented fact and data which is completely legitimate by all sources.

As Indian fans, we must accept the greatness of any cricketer irrespective of which country he plays for.

<B>There is not a single cricketer in the history of game that I can think of who has 10,000+ test runs at an average of 50+ in India, Australia and England, the three major test nations to have played the game</B>. This alone makes Younis a true great of the game and it is again a fact and not opinion.

 

[shaz619]

Since his debut Younis played a key role in Pakistan’s wins away from asia, his average in those wins dictates his impact as far as Tests are concerned.

 

[MesonK]

Nope, not stats but I would want you to post their overall legacy.

Alright man ... You are not the first Indian on PP to run away from deep filtered stats.

here is a hint, Sanga outshines Kohli (including SENAW) even during their overlapping years when he was a declining man ... Sanga never had a Kohli like elongated failure patch either. Like I said he was just a different beast overall.

Sanga, Kohli, Younis are best batsmen from Asia in last 2 decades. They are followed by likes of Misbah, Mathews, Azhar Ali, Pujara.

 

[shamaan]

I agree with you. Just ignore FC, he hates whoever is known for 'smiling forever'. I agree with you on Younis Khan that he is truly a legendary test batsman as I posted based on below facts:-

10,000+ runs
50+ average
30+ hundreds

That's stunning stats.the highlight me was when he scored 200 after struggling and he stil took on board what azharuddin said and like you said the smiling assassin

 

[Ab Fan]

That's stunning stats.the highlight me was when he scored 200 after struggling and he stil took on board what azharuddin said and like you said the smiling assassin

What really is more surprising is that irrespective of his struggles, he ultimately averages 50+ in Australia, England and India, that's three top cricket nations and countries where your runs count the most and he has played important role in some great away wins in England, India and Sri Lanka.

One may like to think that Younis is a kind of players who struggles in tough conditions and then feast on a less relevant match when the series is done and dusted but his knock of 2018 came at the most important juncture of that series Vs England and he ultimately impacted that match and the series with his performance.

 

[Ab Fan]

What really is more surprising is that irrespective of his struggles, he ultimately averages 50+ in Australia, England and India, that's three top cricket nations and countries where your runs count the most and he has played important role in some great away wins in England, India and Sri Lanka.

One may like to think that Younis is a kind of players who struggles in tough conditions and then feast on a less relevant match when the series is done and dusted but <B> his knock of 2018</B> came at the most important juncture of that series Vs England and he ultimately impacted that match and the series with his performance.

218 in England *

 

[wajid]

OP is obviously trolling. His subsequent posts confirm that. But I can share my experience as a common PCT fan that fell in love with game in mid to late 90s and followed the team though 2000s that among Pakistani fans I believe younis khan comes undisputedly AFTER Inzi and Yousuf.