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Will a Test series loss to India be the end of captaincy for Ben Stokes?

Will a Test series loss to India be the end of captaincy for Ben Stokes?

  • He will continue until Ashes

    Votes: 7 100.0%

  • He will be removed if India win series

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    7
jeeteshssaxena said:
Lol, probably the most undeserving MOTM award I have seen.

Bowled a couple of extra overs got, Bumrahs wicket (Bumrah threw it away) . Did nothing significant with the bat.
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Well I don’t think England would have won the game without him. It’s about what he gets out of other people as much as his own batting and bowling. Like Mike Brearley, though Stokes is clearly a much more capable and valuable player than Brearley was.
 
Stokes could lose 5 Test series vs India and the ECB wouldn’t give a flying fig.

This is India’s aukaat. However, if England suffer a humiliating whitewash/defeat down under in the upcoming Ashes, then you can bet Stokes will resign before he is sacked as captain. Look it up, the majority of English Test captains resign/sacked after an Ashes series.

Indians, don't think for a minute the England give a sh1t about you, they don't and never will.

To England, its Test cricket, and Australia is the final frontier for any English cricketer who wants to conquer the game.
 
Ab Fan said:
Yes England will forever be debted to Stokes for winning the Ashes in Australia. Last 3 tours when Stokes played, the result was either 0-4 or 0-5. Wonder what was Stokes doing all this while.
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Are you saying that he contributed to the loses of that tour.
 
shamaan said:
Are you saying that he contributed to the loses of that tour.
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No, he didn’t contributed to loss. Afterall, he was hitting hundreds and taking 5-fers for fun while his team was poor :facepalm:.

Stokes averages 41 with bowl and 28 with bat. Missed the 2017 tour due to his indisciplinary act and getting into unnecessary brawl off the field. Yes, being a main player, he contributed to the losses too.
 
Ab Fan said:
Why did they drew a test in Ashes then? They should have lost it. They drew in other places too.
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Rain intervened bro. They looked well set to win it. That is probably the only drawn match in Stokes' captaincy i think?
If rain washes out an entire day in the next 2 tests, then a draw can occur as well. I don't know what the forecast of next 2 tests look like.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Stokes could lose 5 Test series vs India and the ECB wouldn’t give a flying fig.

This is India’s aukaat. However, if England suffer a humiliating whitewash/defeat down under in the upcoming Ashes, then you can bet Stokes will resign before he is sacked as captain. Look it up, the majority of English Test captains resign/sacked after an Ashes series.

Indians, don't think for a minute the England give a sh1t about you, they don't and never will.

To England, its Test cricket, and Australia is the final frontier for any English cricketer who wants to conquer the game.
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A bit strong, but essentially true.
 
Why would they sack Stokes during the summer’s warm-up for the Ashes?
 
Ab Fan said:
No, he didn’t contributed to loss. Afterall, he was hitting hundreds and taking 5-fers for fun while his team was poor :facepalm:.

Stokes averages 41 with bowl and 28 with bat. Missed the 2017 tour due to his indisciplinary act and getting into unnecessary brawl off the field. Yes, being a main player, he contributed to the losses too.
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135 to keep the Ashes alive average off 55 in 2019,155 in 2023.

Shocking should have scored 300+ in each Innings.
 
shamaan said:
135 to keep the Ashes alive average off 55 in 2019,155 in 2023.

Shocking should have scored 300+ in each Innings.
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Bolding the part won’t mean you post incorrect information.

I clearly mentioned Ashes in Australia and then you quoted me. Everyone is aware of his 135 at home vs Australia. :inti
 
Stokes is not going anywhere. WHy would Engalnd take a risk of sacking him when Ashes is nearby. Stokes is doing just ok ok atm.
 
sweep_shot said:
It should the end of his captaincy whether England win or lose the series.

I think Stokes should be dropped. :inti
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I take back my comment. :inti

After how Stokes lead and performed in 3rd Test, I think he should continue. He showed great leadership.

But, he needs to get his batting form back.
 
At home, he is good but he needs to perform more away. He has only performed well in South Africa away from home but failed in Australia, India, New Zealand and Pakistan. He doesn’t have to perform everywhere but Ashes in Australia this year can certainly uplift his legacy given he has couple of truly memorable performances with bat already in his test career and a highly successful record as a captain.
 
stokes is not having a good time with the bat and ball but his team is winning atm. Brandon would want him to continue
 
Man of the match in the last match, contributing with Bat, Ball and in the field.

5 wickets already here.

3rd innings in a row he is out bowling a 'prime' Archer despite being 'finished'.

More egg on the face of @Mamoon. Tell us more about how Archer is the best bowler in the world and Stokes has been finished for 3 years.....
 
24 overs, 5-72 is a herculean effort by him when you consider his history of injuries and how much he has been discouraged from bowling long spells. He's a true warrior. No all-rounder in the world quite like him.
 
Forum363 said:
Man of the match in the last match, contributing with Bat, Ball and in the field.

5 wickets already here.

3rd innings in a row he is out bowling a 'prime' Archer despite being 'finished'.

More egg on the face of @Mamoon. Tell us more about how Archer is the best bowler in the world and Stokes has been finished for 3 years.....
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Great news for Australia if part-time batsman and part-time bowler Stokes is on the plane to Australia for the Ashes.
 
Mamoon said:
Great news for Australia if part-time batsman and part-time bowler Stokes is on the plane to Australia for the Ashes.
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Mamoon said:
Great news for Australia if part-time batsman and part-time bowler Stokes is on the plane to Australia for the Ashes.
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I don’t want to be rude but as of now that seems a rather silly remark in the light of his current performances as bowler and captain.
 
Kohlhaas said:
I don’t want to be rude but as of now that seems a rather silly remark in the light of his current performances as bowler and captain.
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He’s salty because he said Archer is the best bowler in the world for 6 years now and Stokes has outperformed him in his weakest suits when he kept harping on about how Ben stokes is finished as a cricketer.

It must be embarrassing to be so consistently wrong.
 
Mamoon said:
Great news for Australia if part-time batsman and part-time bowler Stokes is on the plane to Australia for the Ashes.
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Mamoon said:
Great news for Australia if part-time batsman and part-time bowler Stokes is on the plane to Australia for the Ashes.
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I don’t want to be rude but that seems a rather silly remark in the light of his current performances as bowler and captain.
 
@Romali_rotti

Bro, Gill avg has dropped to 88, Jamie Smith still avg 103 this series. How does it feel to know that Jamie smith is the highest avg batsmen this series :vk2
 
Romali_rotti said:
Gill is overrated. I don't rate him...
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I do rate FTB's BTW. I understand the criticism but in cricket you are bound to get a flat track eventually or an entire series worth.

It is an inevitability if your career is 5+ years.

A FTB will always outbat anyone else in such tracks. We saw that from gill in test 1 and 2 and have seen it from Brooks as well this series.
 
mominsaigol said:
I do rate FTB's BTW. I understand the criticism but in cricket you are bound to get a flat track eventually or an entire series worth.

It is an inevitability if your career is 5+ years.

A FTB will always outbat anyone else in such tracks. We saw that from gill in test 1 and 2 and have seen it from Brooks as well this series.
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I had huge expectation for Gill after his Brisbane 90 and also watching him live at the G during boxing day match but looks like he was a fluke...
 
Mamoon said:
It should be. His captaincy has been a PR stunt. One of the worst and most brainless captains I have seen.

He has only been an improvement on Joe Root against weak teams. In the big series, he has produced the exact same results.

On top of that, he doesn’t even merit a place in the team. Offers nothing with both bat and ball.
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Hilarious.

You deserve this humiliation by Stokes.
 
Forum363 said:
Hilarious.

You deserve this humiliation by Stokes.
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Beautiful victory today. The way he devised to take 10 wickets in the fourth innings on this placid pitch was a treat to watch.

His great sportsmanship was also on display when he was crying over Jadeja and Washington scoring hundreds.

An overrated captain who has produced nothing but mediocre results in the important series and a sore loser to boot.
 
He is extremely overrated as a test captain. What is the hype all about, I don’t understand? His W/L ratio from his era is behind several names such as Virat Kohli, Kane Williamson and Pat Cummins. On what basis, is he framed as one of England’s greatest test captain?

Let’s look at W/L ratio first because presenting facts is important before the cheerleaders come up.


Cummins - 2.87( 23 wins)
Kohli - 2.3(40 wins)
S Smith - 2.3(23 wins)
Williamson - 2.2(22 wins)
Stokes - 1.7 ( 22 wins)

Stokes is a good captain and an upgrade over Joe Root but the hype he gets from England cricket experts make you believe that he is England’s greatest ever since Bearley. :facepalm:
 
Ab Fan said:
He is extremely overrated as a test captain. What is the hype all about, I don’t understand? His W/L ratio from his era is behind several names such as Virat Kohli, Kane Williamson and Pat Cummins. On what basis, is he framed as one of England’s greatest test captain?

Let’s look at W/L ratio first because presenting facts is important before the cheerleaders come up.


Cummins - 2.87( 23 wins)
Kohli - 2.3(40 wins)
S Smith - 2.3(23 wins)
Williamson - 2.2(22 wins)
Stokes - 1.7 ( 22 wins)

Stokes is a good captain and an upgrade over Joe Root but the hype he gets from England cricket experts make you believe that he is England’s greatest ever since Bearley. :facepalm:
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Is england beatable at home? Talking about series win
 
Ab Fan said:
He is extremely overrated as a test captain. What is the hype all about, I don’t understand? His W/L ratio from his era is behind several names such as Virat Kohli, Kane Williamson and Pat Cummins. On what basis, is he framed as one of England’s greatest test captain?

Let’s look at W/L ratio first because presenting facts is important before the cheerleaders come up.


Cummins - 2.87( 23 wins)
Kohli - 2.3(40 wins)
S Smith - 2.3(23 wins)
Williamson - 2.2(22 wins)
Stokes - 1.7 ( 22 wins)

Stokes is a good captain and an upgrade over Joe Root but the hype he gets from England cricket experts make you believe that he is England’s greatest ever since Bearley. :facepalm:
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He is barely an improvement on Root when it comes to results in the important series. He drew the home Ashes 2-2 and lost 1-4 in India just like Root.

Stokes is an incredibly overrated captain.
 
A draw against this weak Indian side during this Ashes warm-up series will be a black mark against his captaincy but as many of us have previously said, he is not going anywhere until the Ashes are over.
 
Ab Fan said:
He is extremely overrated as a test captain. What is the hype all about, I don’t understand? His W/L ratio from his era is behind several names such as Virat Kohli, Kane Williamson and Pat Cummins. On what basis, is he framed as one of England’s greatest test captain?

Let’s look at W/L ratio first because presenting facts is important before the cheerleaders come up.


Cummins - 2.87( 23 wins)
Kohli - 2.3(40 wins)
S Smith - 2.3(23 wins)
Williamson - 2.2(22 wins)
Stokes - 1.7 ( 22 wins)

Stokes is a good captain and an upgrade over Joe Root but the hype he gets from England cricket experts make you believe that he is England’s greatest ever since Bearley. :facepalm:
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To be fair , England cannot choose from Cummins, Smith, Kohli, Williamson.

Stokes is the best from what they have.

But a mauling in the Australian Ashes (4-0,5-0) and then I don't think he'll survive much after that.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
A draw against this weak Indian side during this Ashes warm-up series will be a black mark against his captaincy but as many of us have previously said, he is not going anywhere until the Ashes are over.
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Don't worry in next summer Stoke lead England team will clean sweep minnow Pakistan in England. :kp
 
Nikhil_cric said:
To be fair , England cannot choose from Cummins, Smith, Kohli, Williamson.

Stokes is the best from what they have.

But a mauling in the Australian Ashes (4-0,5-0) and then I don't think he'll survive much after that.
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Why would they be mauled? I expect Aus to win but mauling? This aussie lineup is weak as heck.

Australia needs to bring back Labu at no 3. Let Campbell Kellaway open and maybe call it quits on khawaja. This camergon green at 3 experiment hasnt worked but maybe let green open with kellaway?

Green has slowly improved and he did well in otherwise difficult conditons.
 
mominsaigol said:
Why would they be mauled? I expect Aus to win but mauling? This aussie lineup is weak as heck.

Australia needs to bring back Labu at no 3. Let Campbell Kellaway open and maybe call it quits on khawaja. This camergon green at 3 experiment hasnt worked but maybe let green open with kellaway?

Green has slowly improved and he did well in otherwise difficult conditons.
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They are barely able to beat a young, transitional India in home conditions..
 
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Nikhil_cric said:
To be fair , England cannot choose from Cummins, Smith, Kohli, Williamson.

Stokes is the best from what they have.

But a mauling in the Australian Ashes (4-0,5-0) and then I don't think he'll survive much after that.
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Sure they can’t but the hype is unreal.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
They are barely able to beat a young, transitional India in home conditions..
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Young my foot. I dont expect this type of propaganda from you.

What's so young about this team?

seriously between NZ, BGT and current what did india even change? Infact what have they changed since the end of Kohli's captaincy 💀💀💀

Openers = Same
Middle order = Same except Karun/Sai replacing Kohli and gill moving to no 4 where hes performing better anyway?
Wicketkeeper bat= Same(Pant)
Bowlers = Same? Shami is the only big blow, Ashwin retired only in BGT and lol as if bcci would have even selected him for overseas tour and as if he and jadeja would perform 🤣🤣🤣.

Other then losing Shami, how exactly have they been impacted from losing 27 avg kohli, rohit who's numbers are less then what a bowler was taking wickets per series, Ashwin 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣?

Dont say pujara or Dhawan. They've been useless for years and dhawan isnt close to the current openers even Rahul who people view as a softie is miles superior.

Please enlighten me brother nikhil how this supposed inexperienced team is inexperienced 🤣
 
mominsaigol said:
Young my foot. I dont expect this type of propaganda from you.

What's so young about this team?

seriously between NZ, BGT and current what did india even change? Infact what have they changed since the end of Kohli's captaincy 💀💀💀

Openers = Same
Middle order = Same except Karun/Sai replacing Kohli and gill moving to no 4 where hes performing better anyway?
Wicketkeeper bat= Same(Pant)
Bowlers = Same? Shami is the only big blow, Ashwin retired only in BGT and lol as if bcci would have even selected him for overseas tour and as if he and jadeja would perform 🤣🤣🤣.

Other then losing Shami, how exactly have they been impacted from losing 27 avg kohli, rohit who's numbers are less then what a bowler was taking wickets per series, Ashwin 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣?

Dont say pujara or Dhawan. They've been useless for years and dhawan isnt close to the current openers even Rahul who people view as a softie is miles superior.

Please enlighten me brother nikhil how this supposed inexperienced team is inexperienced 🤣
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And wdym by can't even beat @Nikhil_cric series is 2-1 England atm not 5-0 India
 
Nikhil_cric said:
I said "barely able to beat" . You yourself were predicting 4-0 to England
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What the hell is barely able to beat suppose to mean? 🤣🤣.

Now about my predictions, we all know that I am either the best or the worst predictions guru on this forumn depending on perspective hence poor argument.
 
mominsaigol said:
What the hell is barely able to beat suppose to mean? 🤣🤣.

Now about my predictions, we all know that I am either the best or the worst predictions guru on this forumn depending on perspective hence poor argument.
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Not just you. Everybody predicted this Indian side to beaten out of sight
 
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