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Will India and Pakistan go to war over the Pahalgam incident?

Will India and Pakistan go to war over the Pahalgam incident?


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Fair questions.

1. The objectives are different. We don't want our armed forces in Pakistan going city to city to flush out the foot soldiers. Hell we might even not get the big guys. What we want is instead of striking a terror camp at Balakot..which stopped fodayeen attacks for 5 years..we want to strike the Pak army who owns trains and controls the terrorist.. and we don't want to get into a 15 day war either ..but it can escalate there .our objectives are simple...attack at a time of our choosing on some critical assets..with the message..every Pak terror attack will result in India striking your armed infrastructure .

2. Of course pak will retaliatiate. And if it tries disproportionate retaliation .then India will escalate. If it is commensurate..then I don't think we will retaliate.

So risk of escalation is there but that's not Indias plan. We don't want to invade or take land or destroy your country or army..we want to get the message .terror attacks by Pak sponsored terrorists will results in armed strike against your army generals and it will be large and loud.
As long as India and Indians aren’t under any illusion that they can launch a strike without facing retaliation and real consequences—including harm to Indian lives and interests. Any aggression could trigger irregular, asymmetric, and disproportionate responses, with the end result being mutual destruction or a deeply wounded India. Let it be absolutely clear: in a full-scale war between India and Pakistan, Hinduism itself may not survive.
 
More Than 36 Hours Have Passed Since Pakistan's Intel Suggested India Would Strike Within 24-36 Hours 👀👀 :kp

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It must be very disheartening for you but when will this massive attack take place?

Imo a few claims of striking some locations across LOC and nothing more.

On the plus side you've done your nation proud on the internet, Twitter impressions must be into millions
 
It must be very disheartening for you but when will this massive attack take place?

Imo a few claims of striking some locations across LOC and nothing more.

On the plus side you've done your nation proud on the internet, Twitter impressions must be into millions
Terrorists needs to be eliminated . Don't worry it will be Only on Terrorist launch pads.

Read this now . :kp

 
Terrorists needs to be eliminated . Don't worry it will be Only on Terrorist launch pads.

Read this now . :kp


USA has also spoke to Indians numerous times at varying levels acc to the press conference , which you've missed.

I dont think anyone in Pakistan is worried now , its shifting to extremist hindutva shouting at their own animals in frustration nothing has happened.

Any other secret information you found on Twitter?
 
India won’t act militarily, not because it lacks the capacity, but because it lacks the certainty of outcome. The longer New Delhi hesitates, the more obvious it becomes, this isn’t about deterrence, it’s about optics. Modi has already handed the matter off to the military, a political sleight of hand designed to deflect accountability. The headlines have quietly moved on, the urgency has evaporated.

The world has condemned the violence, yes, but conspicuously, no major power has endorsed India’s accusations. That silence speaks volumes. Pakistan, as always, absorbs the consequences of this proxy war in silence, while India raises its voice louder each time, and yet finds fewer listeners with every cycle.

Ironically, India’s long standing wish to keep the issue confined to just India and Pakistan seems to be working, because no one else is willing to own it with them.

It only reinforces why Pakistan’s daylight response in 2019 mattered, not just to signal strength, but to ensure clarity, because in geopolitics, ambiguity favors the louder voice. And this time, the world isn’t echoing India’s.
 
USA has also spoke to Indians numerous times at varying levels acc to the press conference , which you've missed.

I dont think anyone in Pakistan is worried now , its shifting to extremist hindutva shouting at their own animals in frustration nothing has happened.

Any other secret information you found on Twitter?
That's why they are begging for help .legs of the terrorist and Terrorists supporters are trembling.

All the madarasa and Religious event's are banned in Pakistan occupied Kashmir .

:kp
 
USA has also spoke to Indians numerous times at varying levels acc to the press conference , which you've missed.

I dont think anyone in Pakistan is worried now , its shifting to extremist hindutva shouting at their own animals in frustration nothing has happened.

Any other secret information you found on Twitter?
Stop feeding the spammer, maybe then he can look for a full time job.
 
That's why they are begging for help .legs of the terrorist and Terrorists supporters are trembling.

All the madarasa and Religious event's are banned in Pakistan occupied Kashmir .

:kp

As I said india will fire on a few locations over loc and claim victory. This is nothing different to what happens each month.

Btw you cannot ban a madrassah , its only a school, either open or closed. :sachin
 
As I said india will fire on a few locations over loc and claim victory. This is nothing different to what happens each month.

Btw you cannot ban a madrassah , its only a school, either open or closed. :sachin
India is not going to do anything around LOC . This is not our goal. We haven't mobilised the force but Pakistan .

India response is something else .wait for that because I'll takes some times ( last week of May or 1st week of June ) .

Until then burnt the resources of enemy and keep guessing.

:kp
 
India is not going to do anything around LOC . This is not our goal. We haven't mobilised the force but Pakistan .

India response is something else .wait for that because I'll takes some times ( last week of May or 1st week of June ) .

Until then burnt the resources of enemy and keep guessing.

:kp

Are you waiting for the IPL circus to conclude?

4/5 weeks needed for what mission ? Modi wont be pleased with your efforts on Twitter stating india is not ready at all .Pls explain
 
India is not going to do anything around LOC . This is not our goal. We haven't mobilised the force but Pakistan .

India response is something else .wait for that because I'll takes some times ( last week of May or 1st week of June ) .

Until then burnt the resources of enemy and keep guessing.

:kp
So the rest of us are expected to endure your recycled chest thumping, misinformed theatrics, and imaginary war strategies until the first week of June? What exactly happens after that, do you finally log off with dignity, or wait for Modi to apologize on your behalf so you can quietly rebrand from loudmouth to "misunderstood patriot"?
 
Are you waiting for the IPL circus to conclude?

4/5 weeks needed for what mission ? Modi wont be pleased with your efforts on Twitter stating india is not ready at all .Pls explain
IPL ??? Lol ye kha se aa gya bich main ? But whom I expecting a sensible reply. Nvm

Btw I'm Congressi now a BJP supporter .

:kp
 
So the rest of us are expected to endure your recycled chest thumping, misinformed theatrics, and imaginary war strategies until the first week of June? What exactly happens after that, do you finally log off with dignity, or wait for Modi to apologize on your behalf so you can quietly rebrand from loudmouth to "misunderstood patriot"?
Read what I said earlier . Keep burning the resources of enemy and Pakistani is already dependent on IMF . Maybe read something about economic war instead talking nonsense always .

:kp
 
IPL ??? Lol ye kha se aa gya bich main ? But whom I expecting a sensible reply. Nvm

Btw I'm Congressi now a BJP supporter .

:kp

Is the end of may due to ongoing consultation with shah rukh and other Bollywood actors. Why are indians meeting with them?

Another 5 weeks of doing nothing will make the likes of Yogi and Swami ji very angry . Pls dont make india look bad suggesting this unless you have a source,?
 
Read what I said earlier . Keep burning the resources of enemy and Pakistani is already dependent on IMF . Maybe read something about economic war instead talking nonsense always .

:kp
Modi’s been in power since 2014, it’s 2025 now. If, as many claim, he’s been “burning Pakistan’s resources” for over a decade, then by that logic, Pakistan should’ve been reduced to ashes by now. But here we are, still standing, still arguing. So either the claims are wildly exaggerated, or someone’s been overselling Modi’s superpowers. In any case, looks like he owes you two apologies now, but don’t worry, June’s around the corner. Maybe after the first week, you can start sending him reminders?
 
Is the end of may due to ongoing consultation with shah rukh and other Bollywood actors. Why are indians meeting with them?

Another 5 weeks of doing nothing will make the likes of Yogi and Swami ji very angry . Pls dont make india look bad suggesting this unless you have a source,?
After 5 weeks, Pakistan will not even have fuel to fight with india. First read the statement of Pakistan's last Army Chief. :kp
 
India won’t act militarily, not because it lacks the capacity, but because it lacks the certainty of outcome. The longer New Delhi hesitates, the more obvious it becomes, this isn’t about deterrence, it’s about optics. Modi has already handed the matter off to the military, a political sleight of hand designed to deflect accountability. The headlines have quietly moved on, the urgency has evaporated.

The world has condemned the violence, yes, but conspicuously, no major power has endorsed India’s accusations. That silence speaks volumes. Pakistan, as always, absorbs the consequences of this proxy war in silence, while India raises its voice louder each time, and yet finds fewer listeners with every cycle.

Ironically, India’s long standing wish to keep the issue confined to just India and Pakistan seems to be working, because no one else is willing to own it with them.

It only reinforces why Pakistan’s daylight response in 2019 mattered, not just to signal strength, but to ensure clarity, because in geopolitics, ambiguity favors the louder voice. And this time, the world isn’t echoing India’s.

Give the Indians time bro, they might be able to retrospectively provide some proof of Pakistan involvement. Apparently there are lots of Pakistanis in India, either working or visiting. Maybe they can arrest a couple and torture them until they confess to the crime. Or they could just bump them off and write a suicide not confessing everything.
 
Economic war- Maybe you need to read about it :kp

Sure I'll read while riding on my bicycle after the fuel runs out.

Is there a backup plan in india incase Pakistan bring out armoured missile stealth electric BYDs ? :sachin
 
Lol weren't you calling out Modi for attack on the eve of this incident?
Where is said india is Not going to attack? 100% india will destroy terrorist and their supporters . No doubt about it .

Btw fear is unreal in Pakistan .



:kp
Sure I'll read while riding on my bicycle after the fuel runs out.

Is there a backup plan in india incase Pakistan bring out armoured missile stealth electric BYDs ? :sachin
 
I don't think India has the balls to attack Pakistan in a significant manner. Pakistan has nukes. How can India protect themselves from 130 nukes? I don't think they can. :inti

Also, China finds Pakistan strategically important. I don't think China will let India damage Pakistan (for their own strategic reason).

If China get involved, Indian troops are likely to flee like rats or get vaporized/pulverized. India is no match to China militarily.
 
As long as India and Indians aren’t under any illusion that they can launch a strike without facing retaliation and real consequences—including harm to Indian lives and interests. Any aggression could trigger irregular, asymmetric, and disproportionate responses, with the end result being mutual destruction or a deeply wounded India. Let it be absolutely clear: in a full-scale war between India and Pakistan, Hinduism itself may not survive.
Absolutely agree that Hinduism may not survive..but Islam in Pakistan will survive ..I like you astute observation.

This is the situation. Pak army after tasting multiple defeats in straight combat with Indian forces have built an asymmetric team of cannon fodder terrorist who will periodically attack India and hurt civilians and armed forces in the name of Islam. Any time such attack happens Pak cries false flag, where is proof, and if proof ..we don't control them..non state actors and it repeats itself.

Every time India has taken punitive non military action it has hurt Pakistan but not dissuaded them from sending Islamic terrorist to massacre and murder innocent people. Eg cricket ban has completely destroyed Pak cricket..awesome. water ban will have more significant effect and can be calibrated based on terror attacks..superb but will take time to come into play.

Any time India has taken military action...it has been limited to terrorists and it not public ..so Pak is dissuaded for few years but not permanently.

This tells us if we take no action..a. Errant dog will not understand consequences. It needs to be disciplined. It is afraid of discipline ..you can see the nuclear threats and panicked news conference to know after tasting defeats..it can't win conventionally specially now that it's economy is in tatters. But it is a professional army and it will hurt India badly. That's a given.

So India is not inclined to invade or take territory .India wants to send a simple message...if you attack Indian citizens...your infrastructure your army will be attacked and there is a cost. If you retaliate ..we can stop the escalation or it can escalate even more than that. The message is you are no longer safe in your country. It's up to you if you think your economy and Internal freedom struggle is worth it to retaliate after every Indian action or not. That's the simple outcome.

If Pak thinks its in their self interest to escalate ...we would welcome it. If Pak thinks it ok to do a token retaliation and say Indian attacks failed and killed some trees..that's ok with us too. Once Pak retaliates..I think the escalation ladder will fall back on India. But the question is who is more afraid of a full scale war...India certainly doesn't want it...but history and current economy says the odds are in Indias favor.
 
I don't think India has the balls to attack Pakistan in a significant manner. Pakistan has nukes. How can India protect themselves from 130 nukes? I don't think they can. :inti

Also, China finds Pakistan strategically important. I don't think China will let India damage Pakistan (for their own strategic reason).

If China get involved, Indian troops are likely to flee like rats or get vaporized/pulverized. India is no match to China militarily.
Unlike the fake tiger BD...China is a far more developed and smarter country...while they squabble with India..we are not a strategic priority for them...their focus is us trade war, Taiwan, and South China Sea. While you might think Pak is a match for India and India is no match for Pak..and nukes are only used by Pakistan and no other country...there is a mighty Himalaya which prevents a lot of Chinese heavy equipment from coming into play and a list of Chinese enemies who won't sit and watch a country attack another country for 0 reason...what will China gain by attacking India.
 
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As I said india will fire on a few locations over loc and claim victory. This is nothing different to what happens each month.

Btw you cannot ban a madrassah , its only a school, either open or closed. :sachin
You are right..about the type of attack but the target will be Pak army and not Pak terrorist and I suspect the volume of fire would be higher and much deeper into Pakistan...so not border fire but high value military assets that hits both infra and human resources...but yes we are not mobilizing for a land invasion...
 
Absolutely agree that Hinduism may not survive..but Islam in Pakistan will survive ..I like you astute observation.

This is the situation. Pak army after tasting multiple defeats in straight combat with Indian forces have built an asymmetric team of cannon fodder terrorist who will periodically attack India and hurt civilians and armed forces in the name of Islam. Any time such attack happens Pak cries false flag, where is proof, and if proof ..we don't control them..non state actors and it repeats itself.

Every time India has taken punitive non military action it has hurt Pakistan but not dissuaded them from sending Islamic terrorist to massacre and murder innocent people. Eg cricket ban has completely destroyed Pak cricket..awesome. water ban will have more significant effect and can be calibrated based on terror attacks..superb but will take time to come into play.

Any time India has taken military action...it has been limited to terrorists and it not public ..so Pak is dissuaded for few years but not permanently.

This tells us if we take no action..a. Errant dog will not understand consequences. It needs to be disciplined. It is afraid of discipline ..you can see the nuclear threats and panicked news conference to know after tasting defeats..it can't win conventionally specially now that it's economy is in tatters. But it is a professional army and it will hurt India badly. That's a given.

So India is not inclined to invade or take territory .India wants to send a simple message...if you attack Indian citizens...your infrastructure your army will be attacked and there is a cost. If you retaliate ..we can stop the escalation or it can escalate even more than that. The message is you are no longer safe in your country. It's up to you if you think your economy and Internal freedom struggle is worth it to retaliate after every Indian action or not. That's the simple outcome.

If Pak thinks its in their self interest to escalate ...we would welcome it. If Pak thinks it ok to do a token retaliation and say Indian attacks failed and killed some trees..that's ok with us too. Once Pak retaliates..I think the escalation ladder will fall back on India. But the question is who is more afraid of a full scale war...India certainly doesn't want it...but history and current economy says the odds are in Indias favor.
Except that India is no (economic or military) superpower and Pakistan Army actually bites and it will hurt. The point which you all keep missing is that the fight between India and Pakistan will not be remain between these two nation states. Any escalation will be the end of Hinduism and the state of "India" and maybe along with the state of "Pakistan".

Islam doesn't rely on either Pakistan or even "Muslims of Pakistan" while Hinduism depends on (state of India) and people of India.

But you have the right to your opinion.
 
The war effort has cooled down in the past few days after a blistering start full of hyperbole on both sides. As a summary of the action so far - India has so far shot some sikh soldiers, bombed their own villages and hacked a Pakistani website.

@Devadwal have I missed anything?
 
The war effort has cooled down in the past few days after a blistering start full of hyperbole on both sides. As a summary of the action so far - India has so far shot some sikh soldiers, bombed their own villages and hacked a Pakistani website.

@Devadwal have I missed anything?
Have you missed the news of:

1. Closing the airspace which is causing flights to take very longer routes
2. Withdraw from Indus water treaty
3. Remove all Pakistanis from India with deadline of Sunday via Atari border

:kp
 
Have you missed the news of:

1. Closing the airspace which is causing flights to take very longer routes
2. Withdraw from Indus water treaty
3. Remove all Pakistanis from India with deadline of Sunday via Atari border

:kp
Airspace thing seems to be over stated by both sides. It is normal during these times that neighbouring countries will take these actions.

Treaty has been suspended. No formal withdrawal.

Yes I forgot some poor people are being deported and even some Indians in PSL got deported.

So these are minor points. The major attack has been on the website only.
 
Airspace thing seems to be over stated by both sides. It is normal during these times that neighbouring countries will take these actions.

Treaty has been suspended. No formal withdrawal.

Yes I forgot some poor people are being deported and even some Indians in PSL got deported.

So these are minor points. The major attack has been on the website only.
Not some poor people but all Pakistanis have to leave India by Sunday. I know many will suffer as a part of it but even if there is 0.1% ISI stooges in it, it is a win for India. This can also be a percussor to implement CAA & NRC in India
 
I believe India is trying to bite more than it can chew. India greatly overestimate their capabilities and standings in the region.
India's haughtiness is likely to cause their downfall. :inti
 
Not some poor people but all Pakistanis have to leave India by Sunday. I know many will suffer as a part of it but even if there is 0.1% ISI stooges in it, it is a win for India. This can also be a percussor to implement CAA & NRC in India
Congrats on the victory bro.

Is the matter settled from Indian side now?
 
I believe India is trying to bite more than it can chew. India greatly overestimate their capabilities and standings in the region.
India's haughtiness is likely to cause their downfall. :inti
Modi I believe went to the army and they explained the limitations of a potential response. After this he released a statement saying any retaliation is solely down to the army so he could step back from things, and proceeded to initiate a process to count the number of dalits in India instead.

They have been pressing the Americans and so far despite being surrounded by tulsis, Patel's and Kumar's the Trump administration has sat on the fence regarding Pakistan. So India didn't find any natural ally yet.

I don't think the matter is closed and they will strike but it will be very measured.
 
Not some poor people but all Pakistanis have to leave India by Sunday. I know many will suffer as a part of it but even if there is 0.1% ISI stooges in it, it is a win for India. This can also be a percussor to implement CAA & NRC in India

Not all of them will be asked to leave, a few of them will probably be killed/tortured and will be charged with committing the Pahalgam terror attack, and used as "proof" of Pakistan's involvement.
 
Unlike the fake tiger BD...China is a far more developed and smarter country...while they squabble with India..we are not a strategic priority for them...their focus is us trade war, Taiwan, and South China Sea. While you might think Pak is a match for India and India is no match for Pak..and nukes are only used by Pakistan and no other country...there is a mighty Himalaya which prevents a lot of Chinese heavy equipment from coming into play and a list of Chinese enemies who won't sit and watch a country attack another country for 0 reason...what will China gain by attacking India.

China has invested too much in Pakistan infrastructure for trade routes to allow this to escalate too much. They will step in if and when necessary.
 
Congrats on the victory bro.

Is the matter settled from Indian side now?

Lol...no win bro. If anything, Indian gov is cornered. Public wants revenge but govt need to strike a balance. However if Modi don't take any military action, then public will ask him what is the difference then with Manmohan Singh?

This is also a lesson for you guys who talks about false flag. Why would Indian govt do a false flag operation like this which will corner themselves? Unless you are saying Indian opposition parties have done it to defame Modi govt. So this false flag operation is coming across very silly now.

The truth is Pakistani army and ISI orchestrated this terrorist act. However, the subsequent actions of Indian govt is dissappointing. So this is not a victory YET for India.

But as the saying goes, Bakre ki amma kab tak khair manayegi.

:kp
 
Not all of them will be asked to leave, a few of them will probably be killed/tortured and will be charged with committing the Pahalgam terror attack, and used as "proof" of Pakistan's involvement.

We are not that barbaric. We are Hindus remember? Think you are confusing with some others.
 
Don’t go against Muslims and Kashmiris’ says widow of Indian Navy Lieutenant Vinay Narwal

Himanshi, wife of Indian Navy Lieutenant Vinay Narwal, who was killed in the Pahalgam terror attack made a statement for the media ahead of what appeared to be a blood donation drive. She overtly mentioned that she was not against Kashmiris or Muslims. Her strong appeal for justice was accompanied by a call for peace among the communities and urging to end communal tiffs. She said, “of course we want justice but we want peace, and only peace” after urging people to not go against “Kashmiris and Muslims”.


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Hamare Sanskar @Cpt. Rishwat

:kp
 
This is also a lesson for you guys who talks about false flag. Why would Indian govt do a false flag operation like this which will corner themselves? Unless you are saying Indian opposition parties have done it to defame Modi govt. So this false flag operation is coming across very silly now.

Let's not forget the Waqf ammendment law issue. Palagham incident has taken the lime light away from the issue forcing the Muslim minority to show their patriotism and stop the protests. Further, the Indian media focused on only one point, that the terrorists were Muslim and only targeted Hindus. No one in India is checking the hate spread against Muslims, not even the Muslims themselves. Modi government has achieved it's target. There won't be a war against Pakistan but there in one ongoing in India and the Muslim population is losing it badly.
 
The war effort has cooled down in the past few days after a blistering start full of hyperbole on both sides. As a summary of the action so far - India has so far shot some sikh soldiers, bombed their own villages and hacked a Pakistani website.

@Devadwal have I missed anything?
Source- Pakistan fake propaganda factory 😂😂 :kp
 
I believe India is trying to bite more than it can chew. India greatly overestimate their capabilities and standings in the region.
India's haughtiness is likely to cause their downfall. :inti

The Hinduvta ideology is giving India a false sense of invincibility
 
I believe India is trying to bite more than it can chew. India greatly overestimate their capabilities and standings in the region.
India's haughtiness is likely to cause their downfall. :inti
In 71 you got your new identity - A new nation bangladesh . maybe it's time for same things to repeat :kp
 
'We are too scared to go back': Kashmiris in India face violence after deadly attack

Shabir Ahmad Dar, a resident of Indian-administered Kashmir, has been selling pashmina shawls for more than 20 years.

The intricately embroidered featherweight scarves are a favourite with his customers in Mussoorie, a hill town in the northern state of Uttarakhand, where he works.

For his buyers, the shawls are a sign of luxury. For Dar, they are a metaphor for home; its traditional patterns layered with history and a mark of his Kashmiri identity.

But lately, the same identity feels like a curse.

On Sunday, Dar, along with another salesman, was publicly harassed and assaulted by members of a Hindu right-wing group, who were reportedly incensed by the killing of 26 people at a popular tourist spot in Kashmir last week. India has blamed Pakistan for the attack - a charge Islamabad denies.

A video of the assault shows the men thrashing and hurling abuses at Dar and his friend as they ransack their stall, located on a busy boulevard.

"They blamed us for the attack, told us to leave town and never show our faces again," said Dar.

He says his goods, worth thousands of dollars, are still lying there. "But we are too scared to go back."

As outrage over the assault spread, police on Wednesday arrested the three men but released them a few hours later after charging a fine and asking them to "apologise" to Dar and his colleague.

But Dar had already left by then, along with dozens of other Kashmiri shawl sellers, who, after living in Mussoorie for decades, say they no longer feel safe there.

Many survivors of the Pahalgam attack - the deadliest targeting civilians in recent years - said the militants specifically targeted Hindu men, sparking an outpouring of anger and grief in India, with politicians across party lines demanding strict action.

Since then, there have been more than a dozen reports of Kashmiri vendors and students in Indian cities facing harassment, vilification and threats from right-wing groups - but also from their own classmates, customers and neighbours. Videos showing students being chased out of campus and beaten up on the streets have been cascading online.

On Thursday, one of the survivors, whose naval officer husband was killed in the militant attack, appealed to people to not go after Muslims and Kashmiris. "We want peace and only peace," she said.

But safety concerns have forced many Kashmiris like Dar to return home.

Ummat Shabir, a nursing student at a university in Punjab state, said some women in her neighbourhood accused her of being a "terrorist who should be thrown out" last week.

"The same day, my classmate was forced out of a taxi by her driver after he found out she was a Kashmiri," she said. "It took us three days to travel back to Kashmir but we had no option. We had to go."

Ms Shabir is back in her hometown but for many others, even home does not feel safe anymore.

As the search for the perpetrators of last week's attack continues, security forces in Kashmir have detained thousands of people, shut off more than 50 tourist destinations, sent in additional army and paramilitary troops, and blown up several homes belonging to families of suspected militants who they accuse of having "terrorist affiliations".

The crackdown has sparked fear and unease among civilians, many of whom have called the actions a form of "collective punishment" against them.

Without mentioning the demolitions, Jammu and Kashmir Chief Minister Omar Abdullah said the guilty must be punished without mercy, "but don't let innocent people become collateral damage". Former chief minister Mehbooba Mufti also criticised the demolitions, cautioning the government to distinguish between "terrorists and civilians".

"Whenever tensions escalate, we are the first ones to bear the brunt of it. But we are still treated as suspects and expected to put our lives on hold," another student, who wanted to remain anonymous, told the BBC.

Yet the backlash feels a lot worse this time, says Shafi Subhan, a shawl seller from the region's Kupwara district, who also worked in Mussoorie.

In his 20 years of doing business there, Subhan said he had never faced any public threat - not even after the 2019 terror attack in Pulwama district, which killed 40 paramilitary police troopers.

To him, Mussoorie felt like home, a place where he found peace - despite being hundreds of kilometres away. He said he shared an emotional bond with his customers, who came from all parts of the country

"People were always kind to us, they wore our garments with so much joy," Subhan recalled. "But on that day when our colleagues were attacked, no one came to help. The public just stood and watched. It hurt them physically - but emotionally, a lot more."

Back home in Kashmir, peace has long been fragile. Both India and Pakistan claim the territory in full but administer separate parts, and an armed insurgency has simmered in the Indian-administered region for more than three decades, claiming thousands of lives.

Caught in between, are civilians who say they feel stuck in an endless limbo that feels especially suffocating, whenever ties between India and Pakistan come under strain.

Many allege that in the past, military confrontations between the nations have been followed by waves of harassment and violence against Kashmiris, along with a significant security and communication clampdown in the region.

In recent years, violence has declined, and officials point to improved infrastructure, tourism, and investment as signs of greater stability, particularly since 2019, when the region's special constitutional status was revoked under Article 370.

But arrests and security operations continue, and critics argue that calm has come at the cost of civil liberties and political freedoms.

"The needle of suspicion is always on locals, even as militancy has declined in the last one-and-a-half decades," says Anuradha Bhasin, the managing editor of the Kashmir Times newspapers. "They always have to prove their innocence."

As the news of the killings spread last week, Kashmiris poured onto the streets, holding candlelight vigils and protest marches. A complete shutdown was observed a day after the attack and newspapers printed black front pages. Omar Abdullah publicly apologised, saying he had "failed his guests".

Ms Bhasin says Kashmiri backlash against such attacks is not new; there has been similar condemnation in the past as well, although at a smaller scale. "No one there condones civilian killings - they know the pain of losing loved ones too well."

But she adds that it's unfair to place the burden of proving innocence on Kashmiris, when they have themselves become targets of hate and violence. "This would just instil more fear and further alienate people, many of whom already feel isolated from the rest of the country."

Mirza Waheed, a Kashmiri novelist, believes Kashmiris are "particularly vulnerable as they are seen through a different lens", being part of India's Muslim population.

"The saddest part is many of them will suffer the indignity and humiliation, lay low for some time, and wait for this to tide over because they have a life to live."

No one knows this better Mohammad Shafi Dar, a daily wage worker in Kashmir's Shopian, whose house was blown up by security forces last week.

Five days on, he is still picking the up the pieces.

"We lost everything," said Dar, who is now living under the open sky with his wife, three daughters and son. "We don't even have utensils to cook food."

He says his family has no idea where their other 20-year-old son is, whether he joined militancy, or is even dead or alive. His parents say the college student left home last October and never returned. They haven't spoken since.

"Yet, we have been punished for his alleged crimes. Why?"

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crrz4ezzlxjo
 
When Wing Commander Abhinandan's jet was shot down and he was captured in Pakistan, reports suggested he faced rough treatment from some locals before being taken into custody by the military.


It made me wonder: if a Pakistani pilot were to be shot down over Indian territory, how would the Indian public respond? Would they react similarly in the heat of the moment, or would they wait for the authorities to take over?


I’m curious about people’s perspectives on this not trying to provoke, just exploring human reactions in these type of situations

 
Between iPhones and War, Bharat chose iPhones.

Story of the month
 
Pakistani banks closing down it's branches close to LoC

Pakistani bank 'Habib Bank Ltd: in Rakkar Dhar bazar branch POJK was closed abruptly and a notice was posted outside the branch saying

"Bank & ATM closed due security related issues on LoC/Border area"

...."STAY CALM & STAY SAFE"....

Creating an atmosphere of panic and uncertainty among the local population in Rakkar, Poonch Dist, PoJK.

Reportedly locals facing severe financial transactions but also their business and day-to-day affairs are being affected.

The residents of the area have today announced to hold a peaceful protest by closing Tatapani Hajira Road.

Locals claims that branches of Hajira, Khai Gala and Tararkhal can also be closed at any time.

The last line ..."STAY CALM & STAY SAFE".... tells the story

:kp

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FO rejects Indian media's false claims, says Wagah border open for Pakistanis
The Foreign Office of Pakistan on Friday rejected claims made by Indian media that the country had closed the Wagah border to Pakistani citizens returning from India, amid escalating tensions between the two nations.

The statement came in response to a Indian media reports alleging that Pakistan had “refused” to open the Wagah border, leaving several Pakistani nationals stranded in the area between the Attari and Wagah checkpoints.

“Many patients with fragile health had to return to Pakistan without completing their treatment. Furthermore, there are reports of families being split and children being separated from one of their parents,” the Foreign Office said in its statement.

The ministry clarified that the Wagah-Attari border crossing remained operational until April 30, and Pakistan remains willing to receive its citizens as long as Indian authorities permit them to cross.

“The Wagah border will remain open for Pakistani citizens in the future as well,” it added.

Tensions have risen between two countries following a deadly attack on April 22 in the Pahalgam area of Indian Illegally Occupied Jammu and Kashmir (IIOJK), which killed 26 people, most of them tourists.

India has hinted at cross-border links to the attack but has not provided evidence. Pakistan has strongly denied involvement and called for an independent investigation.

Following the incident, India revoked the visas of Pakistani nationals and directed them to leave the country by April 29.

Previously, Pakistan’s health minister pledged government-funded treatment for two young heart patients who were forced to return from India without medical care due to escalating tensions between the two countries.

Federal Health Minister Mustafa Kamal directed the Director General of Health to immediately contact the family of the two girls. He said arrangements were being made to begin their treatment in Pakistan at the government’s expense.

Kamal also confirmed that he had reached out to the Prime Minister’s Office and that the health ministry had started coordinating with various hospitals. The girls may be referred to the Armed Forces Institute of Cardiology (AFIC), he added.

Source: Tribune.com.pk
 
India and Pakistan administration doesn't have heart to go to war anymore.

India doesn't have military superiority to decisively defeat Pakistan without suffering a bloody nose. After every terror attack India will create war hysteria but will never go to war.

Pakistan is aware they have capabilities to defend itself but that's about it. They are in no position to show any gain after the catastrophic impact of war. Pakistan could have initiated military action after removal of 370 but nothing happened beyond Twitter war.

Due to above, India resorts to silly measures like banning YouTube channels and Pakistan responds in kind by banning Indian songs.

Most likely some sort of action will happen based on back channel mutual understanding. India will bomb some trees again, Pakistan will retaliate by dropping a payload on an empty ground. Both will claim victory and everybody will get back to business.
 
Looks like something interesting brewed on night of 29th and 30th April:unsure:. Official tweet from Lockheed account insinuates or just coincidence?
 

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I think the Pakistani establishment might die out of the anxiety of just waiting for when India will hit them 😬 .

But This anxiety extracts major costs from them, so it is good.

:kp
 
I think the Pakistani establishment might die out of the anxiety of just waiting for when India will hit them 😬 .

But This anxiety extracts major costs from them, so it is good.

:kp

Your massive attack looks like a small prawn atm .

But another 4/5 weeks in your view until the fuel runs out and then might india will strike .
 
Your massive attack looks like a small prawn atm .

But another 4/5 weeks in your view until the fuel runs out and then might india will strike .
Have some patience. Your wish will be fulfilled very soon. :kp
 
All India is going to do is some fire crackers at the border make a Bollywood movie. either come to Lahore & conquer, or STFU
You want Indian Army to attack Lahore? lol is that what you will say to Imran khan as well , either come to Rawalpindi or STFU oh wait already done by your Establishment, ok I see what you mean.
 
Just as I thought. No war.

India don't have the gut to start any major war. They may harm some minorities, propagate fake news, and go for rhetorics. Nothing more.

:inti:inti:inti
 
Why would India risk a war, they are already standstill on Chinese front , high alert position with Pakistan add to it other issues like Nagaland etc and responsibility to shield that Island which is reserved for Aliens , as highlighted by @Major a month ago
 
Pakistan's UN Security Council representative:

Credible intelligence indicates an imminent threat of Indian military action against us

From last 4-5 days I'm hearing same news from Pakistan side. Fear is unreal .

:kp
 
How many times are they going to say this? I suppose a broken clock is still right 2 times a day. :kp
 
As long as India and Indians aren’t under any illusion that they can launch a strike without facing retaliation and real consequences—including harm to Indian lives and interests. Any aggression could trigger irregular, asymmetric, and disproportionate responses, with the end result being mutual destruction or a deeply wounded India. Let it be absolutely clear: in a full-scale war between India and Pakistan, Hinduism itself may not survive.
Some delusion there. If making taunts and threats are a competition, none can beat deluded expat-pakistanis. Hinduism survived many invasions, it is Pakistan's turn to prove it will survive anything close to a direct all-out war with India. Fought four wars on jugular-vein and lost all four. Start a misadventure every time and when things get difficult, run to uncle Sam to plead for ceasefire. no doubt the same will repeat next time. Wait a few years and pakistan won't need to worry about any vein at all forget jugular.
 
Some delusion there. If making taunts and threats are a competition, none can beat deluded expat-pakistanis. Hinduism survived many invasions, it is Pakistan's turn to prove it will survive anything close to a direct all-out war with India. Fought four wars on jugular-vein and lost all four. Start a misadventure every time and when things get difficult, run to uncle Sam to plead for ceasefire. no doubt the same will repeat next time. Wait a few years and pakistan won't need to worry about any vein at all forget jugular.
I'm not Pakistani, and this isn't an argument from a Pakistani perspective.

In a confrontation between India and Pakistan, Hinduism will not survive and Islam will. Nobody is expecting for any (Muslim or Non-Muslim) nation state to intervene on behalf of Pakistan.

No one wants war — but if you're confident in your assumptions, feel free to test them and see what happens.
 
Oh if not Pakistani then must be another peaceful religion's nutcase. Common thing though is the hatred and threats on another religion. If what you say turns out to be true you should use it to stop the killing of innocent Palestinians. Guess you tried and didn't work? Who am I to take your work seriously if you don't take your word seriously.
 
Oh if not Pakistani then must be another peaceful religion's nutcase. Common thing though is the hatred and threats on another religion. If what you say turns out to be true you should use it to stop the killing of innocent Palestinians. Guess you tried and didn't work? Who am I to take your work seriously if you don't take your word seriously.
@LordJames
 
Oh if not Pakistani then must be another peaceful religion's nutcase. Common thing though is the hatred and threats on another religion. If what you say turns out to be true you should use it to stop the killing of innocent Palestinians. Guess you tried and didn't work? Who am I to take your work seriously if you don't take your word seriously.
There is no answer in this at all. Are you also a top debater like @Rajdeep?
 
Some delusion there. If making taunts and threats are a competition, none can beat deluded expat-pakistanis. Hinduism survived many invasions, it is Pakistan's turn to prove it will survive anything close to a direct all-out war with India. Fought four wars on jugular-vein and lost all four. Start a misadventure every time and when things get difficult, run to uncle Sam to plead for ceasefire. no doubt the same will repeat next time. Wait a few years and pakistan won't need to worry about any vein at all forget jugular.

It seems the hardline Indian saffron supporters are becoming inpatient with their RSS government for doing nothing.

Another comrade of yours is suggesting 4/5 weeks and a huge attack will take place but your suggesting a few years ?
 
There is no answer in this at all. Are you also a top debater like @Rajdeep?
You are the one who has been taunting about asymmetric, triangular and quadrilateral response in all threads and talking rhetoric projecting it as facts. In reply, I asked a rhetorical question if what you say or wish turns out to be true and to use it for peace where needed. You could say yes as it's a discussion board I'm just having fun or say I tried but didn't work honestly or just say you don't care about dying people as long as Islam expands. You haven't got any answer and I understand 👍
 
It seems the hardline Indian saffron supporters are becoming inpatient with their RSS government for doing nothing.

Another comrade of yours is suggesting 4/5 weeks and a huge attack will take place but your suggesting a few years ?
I wouldn't want to waste a penny on a country like Pakistan. It is on self destruction mode. Why waste anything on them. Punish the culprits involved and double down on security has been my view from day 1. Wars or Invasions usually happen to plunder resources or wealth like invaders who came to India. What's there in Pakistan. I'd not want to touch it with a tent pole 🤣
 
I wouldn't want to waste a penny on a country like Pakistan. It is on self destruction mode. Why waste anything on them. Punish the culprits involved and double down on security has been my view from day 1. Wars or Invasions usually happen to plunder resources or wealth like invaders who came to India. What's there in Pakistan. I'd not want to touch it with a tent pole 🤣

Pok ? You don't want to liberate your territory.

Your anger is accepting india cannot do much, so forget and watch a Bollywood movie
 
Pok ? You don't want to liberate your territory.

Your anger is accepting india cannot do much, so forget and watch a Bollywood movie
Pok is a disputed territory, status quo is good. we will cross that bridge when we get there.

You should atleast keep yourself updated. No one in India takes Bollywood seriously these days except maybe Pakistanis. 99% movies of Bollywood flop. The actors are literally begging people to come watch their movies.
 
Of course you are not. It's a given.

Don't speak of war on our behalf. We have everything to lose.

You simply want to dance on graves of our families.
You've left Islam — so naturally, if Pakistan were ever to dominate India and Islamists came to power, your very existence would be at risk. That’s exactly why it’s in your interest to support India and the Hindutva narrative. After all, you’re their “poster boy” — someone who spent 11 years in a madrasah and then left Islam. You’ve become a symbolic figure for apostasy, not because of any intellectual merit, but simply because of your story.

In reality, you're academically deficient and intellectually underwhelming — but that’s a separate issue. The core point is: you have no reason to insert yourself into a discussion where the implications threaten your own safety and identity.

So do yourself a favor — stay out of it.


You are the one who has been taunting about asymmetric, triangular and quadrilateral response in all threads and talking rhetoric projecting it as facts. In reply, I asked a rhetorical question if what you say or wish turns out to be true and to use it for peace where needed. You could say yes as it's a discussion board I'm just having fun or say I tried but didn't work honestly or just say you don't care about dying people as long as Islam expands. You haven't got any answer and I understand
👍
Let me simplify this so it's easier to follow — please read it in sequence and pay close attention:
  1. Nobody wants war. It’s tragic, and the loss or suffering of innocent civilians — regardless of whether they are Muslim, Hindu, or of any other background — is always reprehensible.
  2. No one is expecting outside intervention. Pakistan is not relying on support from Muslim countries, Arab states, China, or any other external powers.
  3. India is neither an economic nor a military superpower. Comparing it to the USSR or the USA is misplaced. Both of those powers eventually learned the limitations of air power. India, whose air force (IAF) is under-equipped, poorly trained, and plagued with systemic issues, is nowhere near that level. Previous conflicts like the 1971 war or Kargil involved minimal real aerial opposition — hardly a benchmark.
  4. In a full-scale war, despite India’s larger military and weapons stockpile, it is not in a position to decisively overwhelm Pakistan. The assumption that sheer size equals dominance is naive.
  5. Threats like cutting off water to over 250 million people will provoke a response — not conventional or symmetrical, but irregular, asymmetric, and disproportionate. This kind of retaliation would cause major disruption, particularly to India’s economy. And with foreign investment already sensitive, the impact would be swift and serious. India’s ability to meet the basic needs of its vast population depends heavily on that economic stability.
In the long run, even if Pakistan suffers defeat — or if both nations are devastated — Hinduism faces an existential risk. Unlike Islam, which has a global presence and resilience beyond borders, Hinduism is deeply rooted in a single geographic base. If that base is shattered, so is the foundation.
 
You don't have hammerlock on the pakistani narrative.

Whilst sitting on the outside. As a non-pakistani.

We'll deal with our neighbors accordingly. We don't want you speaking on our behalf.
Let me simplify this so that even someone with clear academic and intellectual limitations can grasp the point.
  • Pakistan was founded on the basis of the Two-Nation Theory.
  • Recently, Pakistan’s Army Chief reiterated that principle — rightly or wrongly — specifically highlighting the distinction between Hindus and Muslims, and referencing Islam directly.
You’ve openly stated that you’ve left Islam. That means, ideologically, you have no stake in Pakistan’s foundational identity. In fact, based on your own views, you should be firmly opposed to it, since the country was created on Islamic principles — principles you've explicitly rejected.

Not only did you leave Islam, but you did so after spending 11 years in a madrasah. So you're not someone who simply walked away from a vague cultural identity — you studied Islam in depth and still concluded it was false. That puts you in direct opposition to the ideological foundation of Pakistan.

Contrast this with someone like Muhammad Hijab — who isn't even Pakistani — yet has approached the issue intellectually and identified with the core ideological vision of Pakistan, calling himself “Pakistani” based on principles, not birth.
 
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You've left Islam — so naturally, if Pakistan were ever to dominate India and Islamists came to power, your very existence would be at risk. That’s exactly why it’s in your interest to support India and the Hindutva narrative. After all, you’re their “poster boy” — someone who spent 11 years in a madrasah and then left Islam. You’ve become a symbolic figure for apostasy, not because of any intellectual merit, but simply because of your story.

In reality, you're academically deficient and intellectually underwhelming — but that’s a separate issue. The core point is: you have no reason to insert yourself into a discussion where the implications threaten your own safety and identity.

So do yourself a favor — stay out of it.



Let me simplify this so it's easier to follow — please read it in sequence and pay close attention:
  1. Nobody wants war. It’s tragic, and the loss or suffering of innocent civilians — regardless of whether they are Muslim, Hindu, or of any other background — is always reprehensible.
  2. No one is expecting outside intervention. Pakistan is not relying on support from Muslim countries, Arab states, China, or any other external powers.
  3. India is neither an economic nor a military superpower. Comparing it to the USSR or the USA is misplaced. Both of those powers eventually learned the limitations of air power. India, whose air force (IAF) is under-equipped, poorly trained, and plagued with systemic issues, is nowhere near that level. Previous conflicts like the 1971 war or Kargil involved minimal real aerial opposition — hardly a benchmark.
  4. In a full-scale war, despite India’s larger military and weapons stockpile, it is not in a position to decisively overwhelm Pakistan. The assumption that sheer size equals dominance is naive.
  5. Threats like cutting off water to over 250 million people will provoke a response — not conventional or symmetrical, but irregular, asymmetric, and disproportionate. This kind of retaliation would cause major disruption, particularly to India’s economy. And with foreign investment already sensitive, the impact would be swift and serious. India’s ability to meet the basic needs of its vast population depends heavily on that economic stability.
In the long run, even if Pakistan suffers defeat — or if both nations are devastated — Hinduism faces an existential risk. Unlike Islam, which has a global presence and resilience beyond borders, Hinduism is deeply rooted in a single geographic base. If that base is shattered, so is the foundation.
That half page full of IFS ,even ifs and buts you posted is called a hypothesis or in general parlance called an opinion. Do not think of it as a given and resort to tirades in every thread and repeating the same old verbiage "do not be mistaken there will be vicious, asymmetric, diametric, isometric response bla bla bla" . It's ok one time but it is boring now and suggests a lack of intelligence.
 
That half page full of IFS ,even ifs and buts you posted is called a hypothesis or in general parlance called an opinion. Do not think of it as a given and resort to tirades in every thread and repeating the same old verbiage "do not be mistaken there will be vicious, asymmetric, diametric, isometric response bla bla bla" . It's ok one time but it is boring now and suggests a lack of intelligence.
Go ahead and find out.
 
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