What's new

Will India send troops to Afghanistan?

Afghanistan is not just a graveyard of empires but also seemingly a perma graveyard of people living there.

There's no oil or diamonds underneath the surface, so I've never understood the fascination especially in the post-Soviet era.
 
Taliban kill well-known Afghan comedian.

It is really sickening to see Pakistani posts on FB supporting these barbarians. Literally, go to any article about the Afghan Taliban and you would see a large number of Pakistanis singing praises of Afghan Taliban. Sickening!

Our FM called them ‘smart’ so I guess the fish rots from the top!
 
In the long run I think this policy of Pakistan will fail miserably.

Taliban had until now created a fake legitimacy for themselves that Afghanistan government are not islamic and it's american government and country is occupied. Now America is gone. Foreign troops are gone.

Why are they still fighting? It will expose them as people continue to suffer. The little support they have will fade away.

And even if they capture the country. What is their goal? Afghanistan is already a 100% muslim country and more conservative than Pakistan and most muslim countries.

They can't create jobs. They can't build infrastructure. They can't create and education system. Obviously that's Pakistan dream scenario, but I think the past 20 years Afghans have seen good life and won't go back to Taliban 90's regime with forced big beard. All women in burqa. Not allowed to go outside without a male relative. No music or movies. Basically sooner or later they will be defeated.

Left will be a country who hate Pakistan and love India. I think it's already the case.

Pakistani state is again portraying these barbarians as heroes and gatekeepers of justice and peace. From our PM to our TV channels to our FM, the way the Afghan Taliban are receiving moral support is totally unprecedented.
 
Afghanistan is not just a graveyard of empires but also seemingly a perma graveyard of people living there.

There's no oil or diamonds underneath the surface, so I've never understood the fascination especially in the post-Soviet era.

Not everyone has financial and physical capacity to leave the place where they are living and migrate somewhere.

It is very hard to just abandon your life and move somewhere else, even if your life is miserable and even if you live in deep mountains.

But yeah, you might be right.
 
Pakistani state is again portraying these barbarians as heroes and gatekeepers of justice and peace. From our PM to our TV channels to our FM, the way the Afghan Taliban are receiving moral support is totally unprecedented.

Lol.

Pakistani state literally provided air bases to USA / NATO not very long ago to rain fire and metal on Taliban.

Try harder.
 
Taliban are real scumbags. The people of this forum talking about them as the real Afghans has no idea.
The funny fact is they do not want Taliban in Pakistan and hate them for the blood they shed in Pakistan. But call them real Afghans and want them in power in Afghanistan. It's like you want vollyball in Afghanistan and do not want vollyball in Pakistan. It's the same thing. They have same mindset Taliban of Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Its going to be interesting to see what's Pakistan's strategy here. Pakistan supported the Taliban in the late 90s to have a pro Pakistan regime in power there and that went well until 9/11 happened and the US decided to invade Afghanistan to fight the Al Qaeda and Taliban in power then. Pakistan joining the War on Terror along with the US sort of backfired on them as they were suddenly seen as traitors going against the muslim cause by the militants and the TTP sprung up while Pakistan were trying to flush out the foreign militants who had crossed over the border and taken refuge in FATA.

This time, with the Americans exiting Afghanistan and Imran categorically saying that he won't support drone strikes from Pakistan's territory, it's quite clear that they don't want to commit the mistakes they did in the past. They are supporting the cause of the Afghan Taliban in Afghanistan while they have mostly rooted out the TTP within their own territory. They are also apparently tightening the movement across the Durand line and last I read that the Pak army was fencing the border. Flirting with fundamentalism of any kind is not a great idea imo but Pak is trying out that strategy once again with its support for the Afghan Taliban while trying to contain the Taliban movement within Afghanistan's territory itself so that new militants don't take inspiration in Pakistan and take up arms to fight the Pak state again. I'm not sure how sound that strategy is as we've already seen one or two reports of celebrations in support of the Taliban and rallies already happening in a few cities in Pakistan on social media recently.

I personally think Pakistan suffered more than it gained with its pro Taliban policy since the mid to late 90s when terrorism really ravaged the regions which were the hotspots of the movement. After clearing out the TTP, security situation has gradually improved in Pakistan which is a good thing, but they're pursuing a high risk strategy which may end up costing them once more in terms of the security situation of the country imo. It's true that Pakistan and Afghanistan have shared a fractured relationship ever since Pakistan's independence, but with this policy, they're slowly but surely alienating Afghanistan and its people with their pro Taliban policy when they might have been better served in establishing better dialogue and relations with the Afghan government. I can understand Pakistan's argument that former Afghan leaders in the past have fomented trouble in Pakistan's pashtun regions trying to liberate them. But Pakistan's actions seem excessive in reply and almost feels like Pak deciding to land a knockout blow so that Afg never gets up again with stability and I don't think that's good for the peace of the region, including Pakistan itself. Let's see things as it unfolds.
 
Afghanistan is not just a graveyard of empires but also seemingly a perma graveyard of people living there.

There's no oil or diamonds underneath the surface, so I've never understood the fascination especially in the post-Soviet era.

What graveyard of empires?
 
I am all for India sending in its troops.
The more the better
 
Who cares about Afghans? Let them rot.

Right?

What?
Pakistan has provided refuge to 3 millions of them for over 40 years now.

May be you are talking about the welfare and safety of Afghanis inside Afghanistan?

For that, we have the OP to discuss.

So, should India send its troops to Afghanistan? It already sent arms and ammunition, so why not send the troops too if you REALLY cared about Afghanis?

The other option to prove your worry about the safety of Afghanis is to take in a couple of million refugees.
How does that sound?
 
Because Bush threatened to bomb pakistan to the stone age.

Pakistan was hiding and supporting Taliban.

So you will send Indian troops to Afghanistan and fight against Talibans only if America threatens to bomb India to Stone Age?

Or you should do it on your own because that’s the right thing to do?
 
In the long run I think this policy of Pakistan will fail miserably.

Taliban had until now created a fake legitimacy for themselves that Afghanistan government are not islamic and it's american government and country is occupied. Now America is gone. Foreign troops are gone.

Why are they still fighting? It will expose them as people continue to suffer. The little support they have will fade away.

And even if they capture the country. What is their goal? Afghanistan is already a 100% muslim country and more conservative than Pakistan and most muslim countries.

They can't create jobs. They can't build infrastructure. They can't create and education system. Obviously that's Pakistan dream scenario, but I think the past 20 years Afghans have seen good life and won't go back to Taliban 90's regime with forced big beard. All women in burqa. Not allowed to go outside without a male relative. No music or movies. Basically sooner or later they will be defeated.

Left will be a country who hate Pakistan and love India. I think it's already the case.

That's literally the opposite of reality on the ground. If Afghans truly believed that, the Taliban would have been defeated by their own people without any need of outside help. In reality, even with all the might of the western military machine behind them, the Afghan stooge army still ended up losing ground.

You can have your view, and no doubt there will be some anti-Pak Afghans who agree with you, but don't pretend you speak for Afghans, you clearly speak for the losing minority.
 
If the leaders of TTP are mercenaries, meaning they're primarily motivated on monetary terms rather than ideologically, wouldn't it make sense for Pakistan to simply pay them off more than what India does to buy their loyalty? Besides, wouldn't it make more sense for India to buy mercenaries in Pakistan's side of Kashmir to foment trouble there and give headaches to Pakistan in their side of the Kashmir just like India has its own issues in the Kashmir valley, rather than going all the way to Afghanistan to cause trouble in KPK. Or the ISI could pay off similar mercenaries to cause trouble in India, there's no shortage of people who want money in the world.

The simple fact is, a movement headed by mercenaries will never be sustained and get popular support unless there's a prevailing sentiment in the society. Otherwise Pakistan could have paid off similar "mercenaries" in Punjab or even elsewhere to cause trouble for the Indian state. Most of the fighters in the current Afghan Taliban were borne out of brainwashing of the Afghan refugees (and fighters from Pakistan too) in the hundreds of madrassas set up in Waziristan by the likes of Zia to deal with the problem posed by a nationalist Afghanistan from Pakistan's pov.

When you brainwash thousands of young impressionable men that any form of nationalism or democratic government is a sin and that muslim societies must always be governed by shariah rules, so as to have a favourable regime in Afghanistan [from Pakistan's pov, an islamist regime in Afghanistan is always better than a (ethno)nationalist one there], then think from the pov of a person who grew up in such an environment. For him, he wouldn't find difference between Afghanistan or Pakistan and particularly for a person who was born and brought up in Waziristan and grew up in such a radicalising environment, he would of course want shariah in his region too just like his Afghan mates in the Afghan Taliban who fight for shariah in Afghanistan.

I know the TTP and Afghan Taliban are different entities, but the TTP definitely seeks inspiration from the ideology of Al-Qaeda or the Afghan Taliban. The ones who did the siege of the Lal masjid in Islamabad were also closely allied with Al Qaeda and inspired by Bin Laden. You can't brainwash thousands of fighters and expect them to be islamist in Afghanistan and defy their democratic government there but suddenly obey the laws of the land and democracy in Pakistan. It doesn't work like that. The TTP deals in a lot of suicide attacks against the Pakistani military and even the minorities like shia or the hazara population and it's not easy to find mercenaries who blow themselves up for a cause unless they're ideologically motivated rather than monetarily motivated like you seem to imply.



I'm not under any illusions and believe India is the most noble and therefore supporting the Afghan government. Countries ally with each other and support each other for mutual interests, that's why the Soviet Union allied with India in the past and that's why China allies with Pakistan currently. From an Indian pov, a stable Afghanistan is in its interests because then it would provide them a route through Iran and Afghanistan to access central asia, as their relations with Pakistan are strained due to obvious reasons. Besides, a stable Afghanistan is in India's best interests for the same reason that a stable Pakistan is in China's interests - that they would serve as counterweights for their respective rivals in the region (Pakistan in the case of India and India in the case of China).

And no, I would never support the presence of Indian foot soldiers in Afghanistan. That would be a debacle and would not happen in a million years anyway. That said, apart from all the realpolitik talk, I personally think the Afghan government is better suited for the future of the Afghan people than any form of Taliban. The Afghans largely seem to think the same and it's always better to support something what the people of a region want than what they oppose. I don't think India should provide foot soldiers, nor do I think the Afghan government will ask for it, but I do think India needs to support Afghanistan in whatever way it can, whether by building infrastructure or dams or hospitals or even providing non personnel military support in the form of arms and ammunition.

Ill reply to your points.

1. When mercenaries are 'contracted', you cannot just walk in and offer more money. Their bosses CIA/RAW or whoever it maybe are monitoring them, keeping them away from other agencies. This is far too simplisitc, they are not footballers. There are no groups in Azad Kashmir which would take up arms against Pakistan if India paid them. India wouldnt even be able to talk to them let alone asking them to change sides. The war of terror has caused radicalism, its a natural state of affairs. If China was bombing India for decades, many Indians would have such a mindset too inc many who want revenge for their families to be killed. Ive already stated TTP leaders brainwash kids because Pakistan helped the invaders in the war of terror but this is no longer the case. Since IK has been PM no more drone strikes too, no bases either. TTP dont have the same motivating factors to lure people now.

2. Taliban represent the majority not the minority. The current rulers are puppets not chosen by the Afghans. Its not up to Indians or Pakistanis or Americans to decide who rules Afghanistan, let them sort it out themselves.

3. You claim India should do this or do that but you havent given any reasons why they should interfere in Afghanistan. Any ideas?

2.
 
What graveyard of empires?

Its difficult for Indians to understand this as it only took 40,000 British troops to conquer what is now India.

Afghanistan is different, the British lost which started the road of the empire falling. Soviets lost, same again. Now the Yanks lost, they wont be the worlds biggest superpower in a couple of decades too.

Do you think India should send its great army to Afghan & can they do what the 3 previous empires couldnt? Maybe they should make a Bollywood movie first? :sachin
 
Its difficult for Indians to understand this as it only took 40,000 British troops to conquer what is now India.

Afghanistan is different, the British lost which started the road of the empire falling. Soviets lost, same again. Now the Yanks lost, they wont be the worlds biggest superpower in a couple of decades too.

Do you think India should send its great army to Afghan & can they do what the 3 previous empires couldnt? Maybe they should make a Bollywood movie first? :sachin

Movies are the reflection of the future.

There was once telephones in movies where you can talk without a wire. Few decades later, mobile phones come in to play.

So why not? After all, there was historic siginificance of Afghanistan w.r.t India unlike others.
 
Its difficult for Indians to understand this as it only took 40,000 British troops to conquer what is now India.

Afghanistan is different, the British lost which started the road of the empire falling. Soviets lost, same again. Now the Yanks lost, they wont be the worlds biggest superpower in a couple of decades too.

Do you think India should send its great army to Afghan & can they do what the 3 previous empires couldnt? Maybe they should make a Bollywood movie first? :sachin


I think India should.
They are fighting Muslims and Islam in general at home, why not fight it in Afghanistan, otherwise, the Talibans may extend their tentacles to India and Kashmir, and connect with local Islamic political forces.
 
Its difficult for Indians to understand this as it only took 40,000 British troops to conquer what is now India.

Afghanistan is different, the British lost which started the road of the empire falling. Soviets lost, same again. Now the Yanks lost, they wont be the worlds biggest superpower in a couple of decades too.

Do you think India should send its great army to Afghan & can they do what the 3 previous empires couldnt? Maybe they should make a Bollywood movie first? :sachin

Pakistanis must be knowing all about being conquered, as that area got conquered by whosoever came from the west.

Afghanistan got conquered by everyone. 1st greek, then mauryans, then Gupta's, then Kushans, then Hindu Shahis, then the muslim invaders, then the British. What they are good at is adoption of the culture of their conqueror. They adopted greek culture, then hindu and Buddhist then muslim.

British conquered a large part of Afghanistan, which is the area south of the durand line. Most of KPK.

Soviets lost to the weapons and the money of the NATO. Not Afghans.

USA is still bombing Taliban even now.

The Afghan kings like Ahmed Shah ravaged the area of pakistan, i havent seen such worship of one's conqueror. The mental scars are very deep indeed.
 
Pakistanis must be knowing all about being conquered, as that area got conquered by whosoever came from the west.

Afghanistan got conquered by everyone. 1st greek, then mauryans, then Gupta's, then Kushans, then Hindu Shahis, then the muslim invaders, then the British. What they are good at is adoption of the culture of their conqueror. They adopted greek culture, then hindu and Buddhist then muslim.

British conquered a large part of Afghanistan, which is the area south of the durand line. Most of KPK.

Soviets lost to the weapons and the money of the NATO. Not Afghans.

USA is still bombing Taliban even now.

The Afghan kings like Ahmed Shah ravaged the area of pakistan, i havent seen such worship of one's conqueror. The mental scars are very deep indeed.

Is this what they teach in RSS schools?

To conquer the people have to submit. Congtrolling some land isnt conquering.

Brits conquered 'India' with only 40,000 soldiers, because most of the people bowed down and submitted to British rule. Pakistan didnt exist then, the people of then are not now.

Why are you ignoring the topic? Is it because Indias investment is burning as we type?

Ill ask again.

Do you think India should send its great army to Afghan & can they do what the 3 previous empires couldnt?
 
I think India should.
They are fighting Muslims and Islam in general at home, why not fight it in Afghanistan, otherwise, the Talibans may extend their tentacles to India and Kashmir, and connect with local Islamic political forces.

India has hundreds of thousands of troops in Kashmir. It would take millions in Afghanistan and because its India they still would be defeated.

Some nations are just not great at combat and India is one of them.
 
Movies are the reflection of the future.

There was once telephones in movies where you can talk without a wire. Few decades later, mobile phones come in to play.

So why not? After all, there was historic siginificance of Afghanistan w.r.t India unlike others.


Please explain the importance of this? India is ruled by an extremist Hindu party. Its absurd to think most Afghans want anything to do with such people. This historic signifance must be so important as India spent $3 billion while its own people were dying on the streets because a lack of hospital beds. Dont you find this odd?
 
That's literally the opposite of reality on the ground. If Afghans truly believed that, the Taliban would have been defeated by their own people without any need of outside help. In reality, even with all the might of the western military machine behind them, the Afghan stooge army still ended up losing ground.

You can have your view, and no doubt there will be some anti-Pak Afghans who agree with you, but don't pretend you speak for Afghans, you clearly speak for the losing minority.

You sitting in UK know who is minority and who is majority in Afghanistan? With all the huha about Taliban capturing all of Afghanistan what major areas have they captured? And held? And even if they capture areas what are their goal? How are they planning to provide food? Infrastructure? Schools? Electricity? Water? ETC ETC.

Taliban is extremely barbaric. They do not adhere to human rights or int. laws. They are extremely violent and cause extreme fear. You guys have no idea about Taliban. Without Pakistan support they would be quickly gone.
 
India has hundreds of thousands of troops in Kashmir. It would take millions in Afghanistan and because its India they still would be defeated.

Some nations are just not great at combat and India is one of them.

Did you guys not loose Bangladesh? And 90k odd soldiers shamelessly surrender? Or was that something I saw in a bollywood movie? Would the Indian posters elaborate?
 
Did you guys not loose Bangladesh? And 90k odd soldiers shamelessly surrender? Or was that something I saw in a bollywood movie? Would the Indian posters elaborate?

You can't blame these posters... History what they have taught is completely opposite from the reality...In some parallel world they have won all the wars against India.
 
You can't blame these posters... History what they have taught is completely opposite from the reality...In some parallel world they have won all the wars against India.

Oh look! Another 'new' member. Welcome sir
 
Is this what they teach in RSS schools?

To conquer the people have to submit. Congtrolling some land isnt conquering.

Brits conquered 'India' with only 40,000 soldiers, because most of the people bowed down and submitted to British rule. Pakistan didnt exist then, the people of then are not now.

Why are you ignoring the topic? Is it because Indias investment is burning as we type?

Ill ask again.

Do you think India should send its great army to Afghan & can they do what the 3 previous empires couldnt?

This is history. Not according to the book of pakistan studies.

How did you know the people didn't submit? Go check who all ruled the territory that is Afghanistan from the time of Alexander till the British. Afghans just kept adapting the culture and religion of their conquerors.

The area of pakistan did exist, the ancestors of the people of today did exist when Brits conquered the land. And when successive empires conquered that area.

The people of the area of pakistan submitted to 40k Brits.

India will do what it haa to do. There are a large number of countries who don't want Taliban in power.
 
India has hundreds of thousands of troops in Kashmir. It would take millions in Afghanistan and because its India they still would be defeated.

Some nations are just not great at combat and India is one of them.

All this chest beating after 90k pakistanis surrendered to India in 1971. Were dragged to India and kept their in captivity for months, until the pakistani PM came to Shimla.

You guys should know your place in history.
 
Please explain the importance of this? India is ruled by an extremist Hindu party. Its absurd to think most Afghans want anything to do with such people. This historic signifance must be so important as India spent $3 billion while its own people were dying on the streets because a lack of hospital beds. Dont you find this odd?

Most Afghans came and told pakistanis what they want?

3bn is not even 1 percent of India's annual gdp.

Economic pontification doesn't suit you when pakistan is surviving by begging bailouts.
 
Please explain the importance of this? India is ruled by an extremist Hindu party. Its absurd to think most Afghans want anything to do with such people. This historic signifance must be so important as India spent $3 billion while its own people were dying on the streets because a lack of hospital beds. Dont you find this odd?

Gandhari, one of the central character of Mahbharata, was from afghanistan and mother of Kauravas. India have family ties with afghanistan hisotircally where one of its queen along with Mantri was afghani.
 
This historic signifance must be so important as India spent $3 billion while its own people were dying on the streets because a lack of hospital beds. Dont you find this odd?

Karachi is going lockdown which will result in tremendous pain for low earning pakistanis yet that isn't stopping you from living a luxury life. Isn't it? Fellow muslims are suffering and here you are writing about whether India should send troops to Afghanistan or not in a random forum in internet as a random user. Shouldn't the incoming plight of those pakistanis should have taken precedence than posting in a random forum going by your own logic?

Some muslims talk big about bortherhood but when the time comes to rise up, they will be missing They will send a few dollars and give self consolation that their reposnbility is done. Yeah, the value of life is bargained with dollar notes.

It is disappointing.
 
Ill reply to your points.

1. When mercenaries are 'contracted', you cannot just walk in and offer more money. Their bosses CIA/RAW or whoever it maybe are monitoring them, keeping them away from other agencies. This is far too simplisitc, they are not footballers. There are no groups in Azad Kashmir which would take up arms against Pakistan if India paid them. India wouldnt even be able to talk to them let alone asking them to change sides. The war of terror has caused radicalism, its a natural state of affairs. If China was bombing India for decades, many Indians would have such a mindset too inc many who want revenge for their families to be killed. Ive already stated TTP leaders brainwash kids because Pakistan helped the invaders in the war of terror but this is no longer the case. Since IK has been PM no more drone strikes too, no bases either. TTP dont have the same motivating factors to lure people now.

2. Taliban represent the majority not the minority. The current rulers are puppets not chosen by the Afghans. Its not up to Indians or Pakistanis or Americans to decide who rules Afghanistan, let them sort it out themselves.

3. You claim India should do this or do that but you havent given any reasons why they should interfere in Afghanistan. Any ideas?

King Khan, my stance is simple. I support democracy and my stance is that let the Afghan people decide their fate. You support the Taliban because they apparently fought the "invaders", since the invaders have left now, who are the Taliban fighting again? If the Afghan people don't like the current regime in power, they would be voted out in the next elections provided democracy prevails. How is it letting the Afghans "decide their fate" when the Taliban come to power through brute force and and violence. The Taliban are opposed to democracy anyway, so how is it letting the Afghans decide their destiny? How are the Afghans supposed to do the process of nation building and progress as a country under the Taliban when the Taliban didn't even let little girls to get educated the last time they were in power?

Would you be favoured to the Taliban taking over Pakistan while fighting Imran's democratic government and the Pakistani army? I feel it's hypocritical that people would want the Afghans to be rather under the Taliban, calling their government as "stooge" and "puppet" but wouldn't want the Taliban in power in Pakistan. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I have no issues if you support the Taliban to take over Pakistan too, at least your views would be consistent. Otherwise it's pure hypocrisy.

And no, the majority of Afghans don't support the Taliban. Just think, why would a majority of people long to live under a repressive regime that meted out harsh corporal public punishments for people and one that punished people for trivial things like shaving. Sure, there might be a minority that supports such a regime, but that would be the same case even in Pakistan (the male and female students of Lal masjid supported the same during its siege in Islamabad, didn't mean the majority of Pakistanis supported the cause). You just have to read the views of Afghans on social media to get a grip of what they want. Sure anecdotal evidence may not be reflective of the reality, but how many times have you come across Afghans supporting the Taliban on social media and how many times it was vice versa. Even in this very own forum, I've read views of Afghans denouncing the Taliban than supporting them. The only support of the Taliban I've seen are from Pakistanis.

I'm frankly surprised that the British Pakistanis seem to think that Afghan civilians support the Taliban given there was a very recent protest by Afghans in front of the Pakistani embassy in London.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Afghan protestors assault a Pakistani student outside Pakistan high commission during today’s violent protest involving attacks on journalists and those passing by <a href="https://t.co/KviC9Hhe2Q">pic.twitter.com/KviC9Hhe2Q</a></p>— Murtaza Ali Shah (@MurtazaViews) <a href="https://twitter.com/MurtazaViews/status/1418619554775904259?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It is strange that every Afghan outside its country seems to hate the Taliban, yet we are supposed to believe that the reality is otherwise. Maybe they are all "elites" and the actual Afghans living inside Afghanistan can't wait to live under the happy regime of the Taliban once again.
 
King Khan, my stance is simple. I support democracy and my stance is that let the Afghan people decide their fate. You support the Taliban because they apparently fought the "invaders", since the invaders have left now, who are the Taliban fighting again? If the Afghan people don't like the current regime in power, they would be voted out in the next elections provided democracy prevails. How is it letting the Afghans "decide their fate" when the Taliban come to power through brute force and and violence. The Taliban are opposed to democracy anyway, so how is it letting the Afghans decide their destiny? How are the Afghans supposed to do the process of nation building and progress as a country under the Taliban when the Taliban didn't even let little girls to get educated the last time they were in power?

Would you be favoured to the Taliban taking over Pakistan while fighting Imran's democratic government and the Pakistani army? I feel it's hypocritical that people would want the Afghans to be rather under the Taliban, calling their government as "stooge" and "puppet" but wouldn't want the Taliban in power in Pakistan. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I have no issues if you support the Taliban to take over Pakistan too, at least your views would be consistent. Otherwise it's pure hypocrisy.

And no, the majority of Afghans don't support the Taliban. Just think, why would a majority of people long to live under a repressive regime that meted out harsh corporal public punishments for people and one that punished people for trivial things like shaving. Sure, there might be a minority that supports such a regime, but that would be the same case even in Pakistan (the male and female students of Lal masjid supported the same during its siege in Islamabad, didn't mean the majority of Pakistanis supported the cause). You just have to read the views of Afghans on social media to get a grip of what they want. Sure anecdotal evidence may not be reflective of the reality, but how many times have you come across Afghans supporting the Taliban on social media and how many times it was vice versa. Even in this very own forum, I've read views of Afghans denouncing the Taliban than supporting them. The only support of the Taliban I've seen are from Pakistanis.

I'm frankly surprised that the British Pakistanis seem to think that Afghan civilians support the Taliban given there was a very recent protest by Afghans in front of the Pakistani embassy in London.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Afghan protestors assault a Pakistani student outside Pakistan high commission during today’s violent protest involving attacks on journalists and those passing by <a href="https://t.co/KviC9Hhe2Q">pic.twitter.com/KviC9Hhe2Q</a></p>— Murtaza Ali Shah (@MurtazaViews) <a href="https://twitter.com/MurtazaViews/status/1418619554775904259?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It is strange that every Afghan outside its country seems to hate the Taliban, yet we are supposed to believe that the reality is otherwise. Maybe they are all "elites" and the actual Afghans living inside Afghanistan can't wait to live under the happy regime of the Taliban once again.

I am one of those people who call the current Kabul administration a puppet government.

The reasons are simple: Americans, Arabs, Russians, Iranians and last week the Chinese = all of them are talking directly with ("atank-wadi / terrorist") Taliban and not the heroin smuggler pedophiles Indian call "democratically elected government". Only Pakistan are taking these Kabul clowns seriously, which after soon we will stop.

Americans were ruthless when they gave them the ultimate insult when they left. In 4000 years history the humanity have, it is one of rare examples when an ally doesn't even inform the other one before emptying their bases.

A few years from now, I'd be really surprised if these "democratically elected government" have any sort of importance in written history. Oh and the world is laughing at India's antiques.

PS: The video where they are attacking the Pakistani student, I'd like them to try the same thing but in 3 Afghans to 1 Pakistani ratio neighborhood. I don't know how things will end but then again during my lifetime I've seen enough hyenas...
 
Last edited:
I am one of those people who call the current Kabul administration a puppet government.

The reasons are simple: Americans, Arabs, Russians, Iranians and last week the Chinese = all of them are talking directly with ("atank-wadi / terrorist") Taliban and not the heroin smuggler pedophiles Indian call "democratically elected government". Only Pakistan are taking these Kabul clowns seriously, which after soon we will stop.

Americans were ruthless when they gave them the ultimate insult when they left. In 4000 years history the humanity have, it is one of rare examples when an ally doesn't even inform the other one before emptying their bases.

A few years from now, I'd be really surprised if these "democratically elected government" have any sort of importance in written history. Oh and the world is laughing at India's antiques.

PS: The video where they are attacking the Pakistani student, I'd like them to try the same thing but in 3 Afghans to 1 Pakistani ratio neighborhood. I don't know how things will end but then again during my lifetime I've seen enough hyenas...

You respond to such a great post by [MENTION=139664]street cricketer[/MENTION] with this kind of language? You ignore all the facts and points he make and just post some utter garbage. Can you please rise the bar? Just a little bit.

You are just a Pakistani nationalist who want Taliban in power so Afghanistan cannot progress.

Have you ever thought about why Russian, China and Iran oppose America friendly government? That literally happens everywhere. You don't even need a brain to figure out they have their own interest and does not care about Afghanistan as long as their interests are protected.

Funny you speak about Heroin. How does Taliban sustain their fight? Yes right with Pakistani and heroin money. When Imran Khan goes for his yearly begging spree and gets some money a good chunk of it goes to Taliban through the Pakistani army.

America is still bombing Taliban and they are still paying the Afghan government a large chunk of money to keep them in power. There will still be American soldiers in their Embassy in Kabul. Don't believe they will give up their influence in Afghanistan to China, Iran and Russia. Like India won't give up their influence to Pakistan. They invested both money and lost soldiers in Afghanistan.
 
You respond to such a great post by @<a href="http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/member.php?u=139664" target="_blank">street cricketer</a> with this kind of language? You ignore all the facts and points he make and just post some utter garbage. Can you please rise the bar? Just a little bit.

You are just a Pakistani nationalist who want Taliban in power so Afghanistan cannot progress.

Have you ever thought about why Russian, China and Iran oppose America friendly government? That literally happens everywhere. You don't even need a brain to figure out they have their own interest and does not care about Afghanistan as long as their interests are protected.

Funny you speak about Heroin. How does Taliban sustain their fight? Yes right with Pakistani and heroin money. When Imran Khan goes for his yearly begging spree and gets some money a good chunk of it goes to Taliban through the Pakistani army.

America is still bombing Taliban and they are still paying the Afghan government a large chunk of money to keep them in power. There will still be American soldiers in their Embassy in Kabul. Don't believe they will give up their influence in Afghanistan to China, Iran and Russia. Like India won't give up their influence to Pakistan. They invested both money and lost soldiers in Afghanistan.

Here is a video evidence of Kabul Administration pressuring American soldiers to not interfere with pedophiles / heroin smugglers:


You are a grown up and you can make up your own mind.

I am not a nationalist of any kind. But I do hate the Indian sponsored propaganda against Pakistan, with a passion. ngl.

Have you ever thought about why Russian, China and Iran oppose America friendly government? That literally happens everywhere. You don't even need a brain to figure out they have their own interest and does not care about Afghanistan as long as their interests are protected.
You didn't get my point. Taliban have political power. Only a fool can deny that. All these foreign governments are speaking with them because these foreigners know who actually runs the show inside Afghanistan. The debate is not whether it is good or bad for people living inside Afghanistan.

Funny you speak about Heroin. How does Taliban sustain their fight? Yes right with Pakistani and heroin money. When Imran Khan goes for his yearly begging spree and gets some money a good chunk of it goes to Taliban through the Pakistani army.
I am not their accountant nor do they share this information with me but if I have to guess, you might be right.

America is still bombing Taliban and they are still paying the Afghan government a large chunk of money to keep them in power. There will still be American soldiers in their Embassy in Kabul. Don't believe they will give up their influence in Afghanistan to China, Iran and Russia. Like India won't give up their influence to Pakistan. They invested both money and lost soldiers in Afghanistan.
Fact is Americans are leaving. It is a new chapter for Afghanistan. We don't know how things will unfold but logic says puppet government will fall and terrorism inside Pakistan will reduce, Insha'Allah.
 
Last edited:
No insurgency can carry on without local support.

If kabul mayor can't compromise and make a deal with taliban then civil war will ensue .

Since taliban are pashtuns it is inevitable pakistani pashtuns will help, and our military generals won't able to sit on the fence , if taliban get slaughtered by air attacks pakistan will have no choice but to back them up with its own firepower , and start giving taliban heavier weapons like iran has done with the shia militias and houthis.

Pakistan cannot sit on his hands just to appease America and then these same taliban end up blaming us for being complicit in them getting bombed and routed on the battlefield and they turn their guns on pakistan , this is what America really wants taliban to fight pakistan they made a sly move to get out but still cause trouble whilst sitting safely outside the ring.
 
You sitting in UK know who is minority and who is majority in Afghanistan? With all the huha about Taliban capturing all of Afghanistan what major areas have they captured? And held? And even if they capture areas what are their goal? How are they planning to provide food? Infrastructure? Schools? Electricity? Water? ETC ETC.

Taliban is extremely barbaric. They do not adhere to human rights or int. laws. They are extremely violent and cause extreme fear. You guys have no idea about Taliban. Without Pakistan support they would be quickly gone.

So without Pakistans support Taliban would be quickly gone? Does that mean Pakistan support is more potent than USA support? How come with all the might of NATO support Taliban wasn't gone quickly in 20 years?

Wow, Pakistan must be the greatest military machine in the world, they not only defeated Afghans, but they thrashed their western allies as well. This is your argument bro, all I am doing is laying it out for you.
 
To answer the topics question well India has had some troops in Afghanistan for a while. They have also been sending military intelligence and secret intelligence officers into this area for many years.

But if your talking about regular forces then that is an impossibility. Both practically and ideologically.

Practically they would need access to Pakistan to reduce their supply costs and ensure their troops don't die of hunger. Secondly the regular army had no real experience of expeditionary warfare. Their last such puffy chest adventure ended in disaster in Sri Lanka.
Thirdly (and I mean no offence to any Hindu here) but afghans would be loathe to be seen to be fighting with "idol" worshippers. Yeah in secret but not on the battlefield. It would be a great recruiting tool for the taliban and the Afghan opposition to Ghani.
Finally Pakistan would ensure a steady stream of Pyres for the Indian public.

So yes this thread is good for various young bloods to puff their chests but ultimately the modi regime is not going to fight a war like this.
 
I am one of those people who call the current Kabul administration a puppet government.

The reasons are simple: Americans, Arabs, Russians, Iranians and last week the Chinese = all of them are talking directly with ("atank-wadi / terrorist") Taliban and not the heroin smuggler pedophiles Indian call "democratically elected government". Only Pakistan are taking these Kabul clowns seriously, which after soon we will stop.

Americans were ruthless when they gave them the ultimate insult when they left. In 4000 years history the humanity have, it is one of rare examples when an ally doesn't even inform the other one before emptying their bases.

A few years from now, I'd be really surprised if these "democratically elected government" have any sort of importance in written history. Oh and the world is laughing at India's antiques.

PS: The video where they are attacking the Pakistani student, I'd like them to try the same thing but in 3 Afghans to 1 Pakistani ratio neighborhood. I don't know how things will end but then again during my lifetime I've seen enough hyenas...

Mate, there's no point in continuing the argument. Pakistanis support the Taliban in Afghanistan because it's beneficial to Pakistan from a geopolitical standpoint. There's nothing more to it. There's no point in pretending that the Taliban are some group of holy freedom fighters who have arisen to free the Afghan civilians from the evil clutches of the Afghan govt and the Afghan military.
 
Indians would really get butchered out there. They would be wise not to

No they wouldn't. They will be just fine. They are a strong and very big army.

They must send troops to Afghanistan to fight Talibans, the Islamic terrorists. Or else, Talibans will go after whoever supports the current Ashraf Ghani's govt, and India has already sent arms and ammunition to the current govt of Afghanistan. This means, Modi and Ajit Doval is already not in the good books of Talibans.

If India doesn't got after them, Talibans may extend their tentacles and connect with Islamic political forces in Indian occupied Kashmir, and in main land India. There were already some news of Taliban terrorist cells flourishing in Kerala.

This could turn ugly so, IMO Modi must take military action against Talibans in Afghanistan.
 
The scenario has totally changed.

Dont know if this is good news or bad news.
 
‘ If Pakistani state and Pakistanis consider Afghan Taliban to be noble people, why aren’t they handing over Karachi and Lahore to them,’ Mohsin Dawar.
 
Lol.

Pakistani state literally provided air bases to USA / NATO not very long ago to rain fire and metal on Taliban.

Try harder.

Because the US threatened us and promised to bomb us back to stone age if we did not listen. In return for being coalition partners, we were promised dollars. It was not done out of goodwill. By the way, Afghan Taliban Shura is based in Quetta and Afghan Taliban leaders roam freely in Pakistan.
 
‘ If Pakistani state and Pakistanis consider Afghan Taliban to be noble people, why aren’t they handing over Karachi and Lahore to them,’ Mohsin Dawar.

What an infantile, pathetic and misleading statement by a known extremist who (& his party) asked USA to bomb Pakistani civilian areas.

Pakistani security agencies shouldn't let this individual roam free and let him keep on barking. In any other country in the world he would have been disappeared by now.

The TTP terrorist trash support this racist PTM "Pashtun Tahaffuz Movement" and their extremist ideology:


Similarly, the TTP emir has also openly supported the recent Pashtun rights movement known as Pashtun Tahafuz Movement (PTM).92
https://web.archive.org/web/2021042...sma.edu/the-revival-of-the-pakistani-taliban/
 
What an infantile, pathetic and misleading statement by a known extremist who (& his party) asked USA to bomb Pakistani civilian areas.

Pakistani security agencies shouldn't let this individual roam free and let him keep on barking. In any other country in the world he would have been disappeared by now.

The TTP terrorist trash support this racist PTM "Pashtun Tahaffuz Movement" and their extremist ideology:



https://web.archive.org/web/2021042...sma.edu/the-revival-of-the-pakistani-taliban/

Hahahaha

This is very disturbing view you have.

Your views are so inconsistent. You come across as a very big hypocrite.
 
This thread according to [MENTION=139649]WhenSultansBowled[/MENTION]

Afghan Taliban are the right people for Afghanistan even thought they do not adhere to human rights and kills people without trial. They discriminate against other ethnic groups and would have no problem killing shias.

PTM a peaceful organisation: He calls them racist and is surprised Mohsin Dawar is not disappeared yet. I hope you live in Pakistan and not some western democracy.
 
This thread according to [MENTION=139649]WhenSultansBowled[/MENTION]

Afghan Taliban are the right people for Afghanistan even thought they do not adhere to human rights and kills people without trial. They discriminate against other ethnic groups and would have no problem killing shias.

PTM a peaceful organisation: He calls them racist and is surprised Mohsin Dawar is not disappeared yet. I hope you live in Pakistan and not some western democracy.

A large number of people have similar line of thinking. This is what blind patriotism does to you!
 
What an infantile, pathetic and misleading statement by a known extremist who (& his party) asked USA to bomb Pakistani civilian areas.

Pakistani security agencies shouldn't let this individual roam free and let him keep on barking. In any other country in the world he would have been disappeared by now.

The TTP terrorist trash support this racist PTM "Pashtun Tahaffuz Movement" and their extremist ideology:



https://web.archive.org/web/2021042...sma.edu/the-revival-of-the-pakistani-taliban/

Why is wrong with the statement? If you support Afghan Taliban, you should fully support what Dawar said. If not, your views are inconsistent and hypocritical.
 
A large number of people have similar line of thinking. This is what blind patriotism does to you!

It's extremely disturbing views. But not surprising coming from a Taliban supporter. Taliban also kills people whom views they do not like without trial or anything. As I said karma is a *****. Do not wish bad on other people. Justice comes around eventually.
 
‘ If Pakistani state and Pakistanis consider Afghan Taliban to be noble people, why aren’t they handing over Karachi and Lahore to them,’ Mohsin Dawar.

Because Karachi and Lahore are not Afghanistan. Try looking at a map.
 
This thread according to [MENTION=139649]WhenSultansBowled[/MENTION]

Afghan Taliban are the right people for Afghanistan even thought they do not adhere to human rights and kills people without trial. They discriminate against other ethnic groups and would have no problem killing shias.

PTM a peaceful organisation: He calls them racist and is surprised Mohsin Dawar is not disappeared yet. I hope you live in Pakistan and not some western democracy.

No one can tell Afghans who are the right people for Afghanistan except Afghans. USA, Russian and Britain all tried and where did it get them?

If India wants to try they should be welcome by all means.
 
This thread according to [MENTION=139649]WhenSultansBowled[/MENTION]

Afghan Taliban are the right people for Afghanistan even thought they do not adhere to human rights and kills people without trial. They discriminate against other ethnic groups and would have no problem killing shias.

PTM a peaceful organisation: He calls them racist and is surprised Mohsin Dawar is not disappeared yet. I hope you live in Pakistan and not some western democracy.

So peaceful they celebrated Peshawar massacre.

Tick tock buddy, the Indian terrorist sponsoring embassies are closed, the TTP will be hunted and brought to justice for their terrorism in Pakistan and little rats like PTM will be left helpless.
 
Why is wrong with the statement? If you support Afghan Taliban, you should fully support what Dawar said. If not, your views are inconsistent and hypocritical.

Afghan people support Taliban. It is irrelevant whether Pakistanis support them or not.

I know it is a hard pill to swallow but it is what it is.

Don't divert.
 
Afghan people support Taliban. It is irrelevant whether Pakistanis support them or not.

I know it is a hard pill to swallow but it is what it is.

Don't divert.

Taliban support lies in Pakistan and in particular with the Army and ISI.

Why would Afghans support a tyranni regime who could kill you just because you listened to music or being sunni muslim. Have you seen Afghan on SOME support Taliban? Have you seen Afghans come out in protest in favor of Taliban?

Look at the areas Taliban control and then see how many people live in those Areas. Have you been to Afghanistan or even spoken to Afghans?
 
It's extremely disturbing views. But not surprising coming from a Taliban supporter. Taliban also kills people whom views they do not like without trial or anything. As I said karma is a *****. Do not wish bad on other people. Justice comes around eventually.

You mad bro?

"Taliban supporter" :))

Bonus:

 
So peaceful they celebrated Peshawar massacre.

Tick tock buddy, the Indian terrorist sponsoring embassies are closed, the TTP will be hunted and brought to justice for their terrorism in Pakistan and little rats like PTM will be left helpless.

Why is India not playing cricket with Pakistan? Is it because India has sponsored terrorist in Pakistan or is it the other way around?
 
Taliban support lies in Pakistan and in particular with the Army and ISI.

Why would Afghans support a tyranni regime who could kill you just because you listened to music or being sunni muslim. Have you seen Afghan on SOME support Taliban? Have you seen Afghans come out in protest in favor of Taliban?

Look at the areas Taliban control and then see how many people live in those Areas. Have you been to Afghanistan or even spoken to Afghans?

I repeat, i t i s a h a r d p i l l t o s w a l l o w.

But it is what it is. Go ask these questions to people who are laying down their weapons and joining Taliban ranks.

Or use your logic.

Afghans never liked foreign sovereignty, be it Russian, American and their puppets, Pakistani or Indian.

Taliban are Afghans, again a hard pill to swallow.

It took Americans 2 decades to understand this.

I do feel bad for the ongoing useless bloodshed but what bothers is when everything is put on Pakistanis who have had 70000 martyrs in the most useless war in human history.

Justice is coming to all the people who are responsible for these Pakistani martyrs. I hope Taliban keep on hanging pedophiles, heroin smugglers and people who spread death in Afghanistan.

Do I support Taliban and their methods? Hell no. But I do support the fact that TTP terrorist rats will finally be brought to justice by hands of Taliban for killing so many innocent Pakistanis.
 
Why is India not playing cricket with Pakistan? Is it because India has sponsored terrorist in Pakistan or is it the other way around?

Ever heard of that Yadav guy? and you are accusing me of 'blind patriotism'.

In late 2000s and early 2010s there was a daily terrorist attack on Pakistanis, on average... Who was behind it?

You neo-bakhts are a special breed.
 
I repeat, i t i s a h a r d p i l l t o s w a l l o w.

But it is what it is. Go ask these questions to people who are laying down their weapons and joining Taliban ranks.

Or use your logic.

Afghans never liked foreign sovereignty, be it Russian, American and their puppets, Pakistani or Indian.

Taliban are Afghans, again a hard pill to swallow.

It took Americans 2 decades to understand this.

I do feel bad for the ongoing useless bloodshed but what bothers is when everything is put on Pakistanis who have had 70000 martyrs in the most useless war in human history.

Justice is coming to all the people who are responsible for these Pakistani martyrs. I hope Taliban keep on hanging pedophiles, heroin smugglers and people who spread death in Afghanistan.

Do I support Taliban and their methods? Hell no. But I do support the fact that TTP terrorist rats will finally be brought to justice by hands of Taliban for killing so many innocent Pakistanis.

Why is TTP terrorists and The same people in Afghanistan flag bearer of Justice?

If Afghanistan is occupied by british, soviet and now USA. Than KPK that was part of Afghanistan and is the land of Pashtun people right now occupied by Pakistan. So If the Taliban in Afghanistan want to get rid of invaders then TTP is doing the same.
 
Why is TTP terrorists and The same people in Afghanistan flag bearer of Justice?

If Afghanistan is occupied by british, soviet and now USA. Than KPK that was part of Afghanistan and is the land of Pashtun people right now occupied by Pakistan. So If the Taliban in Afghanistan want to get rid of invaders then TTP is doing the same.

At this rate Indian would say whole Pakistan is occupied by Pakistan. Their hate is beyond rationality.
 
Why is TTP terrorists and The same people in Afghanistan flag bearer of Justice?

If Afghanistan is occupied by british, soviet and now USA. Than KPK that was part of Afghanistan and is the land of Pashtun people right now occupied by Pakistan. So If the Taliban in Afghanistan want to get rid of invaders then TTP is doing the same.

Mandatory: "you are an extremist and TTP terrorist supporter. I just realized that."

How does it feel, eh?

You are comparing a terrorist group like TTP with a legit and functioning governing system aka Taliban.



I am not saying that, read homegirl Ashley Jackson's article down here:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/09/12/the-talibans-fight-for-hearts-and-minds-aghanistan/

Feature: The Taliban’s Fight for Hearts and Minds

The Taliban’s Fight for Hearts and Minds
The militants’ new strategy is to out-govern the U.S.-backed administration in Kabul—and it’s working.
By Ashley Jackson

Photos by Andrew Quilty
September 12, 2018, 8:00 AM

In many ways, Charkh seems like a typical rural Afghan district. With little development or industry to speak of, its population of 48,000 ekes out a living mostly from farming. Poverty is common; those who can find better jobs elsewhere leave and send money back to support their families. But a closer look at Charkh reveals a divergence from what one may expect of an average Afghan district. Administrators there are widely seen as fair and honest, making them outliers in a country consistently ranked among the world’s most corrupt. Locals say there is remarkably little crime. Disputes among neighbors or families are rare, and when they arise, the district governor or judge quickly settles them. A health official regularly monitors clinics to make sure that doctors and nurses are present and that medicines are stocked. Across the district’s schools, government teachers actually show up, and student attendance is high—an anomaly in a state system where absenteeism is rife.

On paper, Charkh’s surprising success could be interpreted as evidence of how the U.S.-backed administration of President Ashraf Ghani has finally extended a semblance of good governance beyond the capital of Kabul. But in fact the Afghan government deserves no credit for Charkh; the district is currently governed by the Taliban. The de facto local authorities, from the mayor to the town’s only judge, come from the Taliban’s ranks, and ordinary bureaucrats, such as teachers and health officials, have been vetted and selected by the insurgency—even though Kabul still pays their salaries.

Despite the near doubling of U.S. troop levels and a spike in airstrikes over the past year, the Taliban retain significant influence in vast swaths of rural Afghanistan and are working assiduously to out-govern Ghani’s internationally recognized National Unity Government. The idea that the Taliban are now striving to provide good governance might strain credulity, given the draconian cruelty of their rule from 1996 to 2001. During those years, they banned women from school and work and executed young lovers in sports stadiums. Since the group’s overthrow in 2001, its brutal attacks have killed tens of thousands of Afghans. As recently as 2009, the Taliban were still killing teachers, burning schools, and attacking aid workers.

Today, however, the Taliban are seeking to present themselves as a legitimate political movement able to administer services and govern the country. As U.S. and Afghan forces pull back to protect major cities—as part of Washington’s new strategy—the Taliban are filling the vacuum. They are no longer just a shadowy insurgency; they are a government in waiting.


To understand the Taliban’s puzzling turnaround, one has to return to 2014. The withdrawal of tens of thousands of international troops that year presented the group’s leaders with both risks and opportunities. They had, after all, faced similar circumstances before: In 1996, during the height of the civil war, they’d taken advantage of the virtual absence of any form of central authority to sweep to power. But this time, the Taliban leadership realized that instead of attacking government schools and aid projects, it could gain much more by co-opting them. In doing so, it could take credit for providing services and win over the local population.

What began with a gradual recognition that unbridled violence would hurt the Taliban’s battle for popular support grew into a sophisticated governance structure, including the management of schools, clinics, courts, tax collection, and more. Local Taliban members began to strike unofficial cease-fires with Afghan soldiers to de-escalate the conflict. Government soldiers would man checkpoints until the evening, after which the Taliban would assume those positions until dawn. This shift in Taliban strategy created a relatively peaceful—if uneasy—coexistence between the insurgency and the government in areas that had previously been among the country’s most volatile. “They were cruel before, but now they are trying to show a different face,” said a former Taliban commander in the northern province of Kunduz. “They have to show they can do everything the government can—but better.”

Taliban fighters and officials credit Mullah Akhtar Mohammad Mansour for this transformation. Mansour nimbly led the movement through a series of pivotal moments: the so-called surge that began in late 2009, when Washington sent in 33,000 more troops to turn around the failing war effort; Mullah Mohammad Omar’s death in 2013, which Mansour, as his deputy, strategically concealed for two years; the 2014 drawdown; and the resignation of several key deputies once Mansour formally assumed the role of emir—the Taliban’s leader—in 2015.

“Mansour totally changed our thinking: about governing, about peace, about everything,” one Taliban official in the southern province of Helmand said. Mansour transformed the Taliban from a scrappy insurgency to a shadow state. He consolidated the military and financial wings of the Taliban, attempting to move away from a system of patronage to one focused on building institutions. Mansour created a Taliban commission to investigate civilian casualties. He appointed Tajiks and Uzbeks to the Taliban’s rahbari shura, or leadership council, broadening the movement beyond its Pashtun base.


Mansour was preparing the movement for life after war. Rather than seeking outright victory, he was positioning the Taliban for a power-sharing deal. Mansour was a staunch advocate for the opening of a Taliban office in Qatar in 2013, cautiously steering the group toward a greater openness to talks.

In May 2016, the United States killed Mansour in a drone strike, but his vision lives on. Its primary advantage is the way it allows the Taliban to spread their influence without incurring the high body counts and low morale that result from pitched battles. When the Taliban have tried to seize district centers and major cities—including the northern city of Kunduz in 2015 and 2016—they have been swiftly pushed back by airstrikes and internationally backed ground offensives. So while they continue to periodically attack cities, as they did this past spring in the western province of Farah and in August in the eastern province of Ghazni, the Taliban now devote fewer resources to these operations and use them more to embarrass the Kabul government than to capture territory.

The Taliban’s new focus is on extending their control in a more subtle way. By relying on coercion and their reputation for providing fair (if harsh) justice, they have gained new footholds in village after village. As their influence grows in a given town, the Taliban gradually impose their rules on civilian life and recruit a force of civil servants—ranging from electricity bill collectors to health inspectors—to enforce them. The level of their presence varies from place to place, but even in cities ostensibly under government control, such as Kunduz and Lashkar Gah, the Taliban now tax businesses and adjudicate disputes.


Unlike the Islamic State, which attempted to create new parallel infrastructure in the territory it seized, the Taliban prefer to co-opt existing government services and aid projects. In an October 2017 interview via WhatsApp, the Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid explained the seeming contradiction involved in working with a state his organization was simultaneously fighting: “This is about meeting people’s needs. It’s not a part of the war.”

But it is, of course. The Taliban have realized that there’s no need to attack symbols of the state if you can instead capture their resources and redirect them to your aims. This process has been made much easier by most Afghans’ frustration with the widespread corruption that has crippled public services and made finding work so difficult. An estimated 80 percent of state teachers must pay bribes to get their positions, according to an audit Kabul released late last year. “The government could do nothing in the past 10 years,” said Jamal, a former teacher at the boys high school in Charkh’s district center. “The Taliban solved our problems right away.”

Jamal, whose name has been changed for his protection, was just a teenager when the insurgency came to his village in Logar province around 2007 and he fled to escape the fighting. But he struggled to find a job elsewhere, and he decided to return after his family assured him that security had improved since the Taliban had taken control. His old school principal recommended him to the group, which checked out his background. Once they were satisfied that he was not a spy for the government, local Taliban officials indicated their approval to village elders acting as intermediaries between the Taliban and government officials. The elders informed Education Ministry officials, who then appointed him to his post.


Though Jamal worked in a state school and the Education Ministry paid his salary, Taliban officials were in charge of his work and his environment. Taliban-appointed monitors, usually village elders or mullahs, take staff attendance and instruct school officials to dock the pay of absent teachers. They occasionally remove what they deem to be objectionable content from the curriculum—such as a culture textbook showing photographs of female police—and replace it with religious texts.

A similar system exists in clinics and hospitals, where Taliban-appointed monitors appear at random to ensure that doctors are present and to inspect medicine stocks. “My Taliban counterpart called me and said, ‘You have to have one extra surgeon in this district and an X-ray machine,’” said Farhad, a public health official in Logar’s provincial capital of Pul-e-Alam, whose name has also been changed. When asked how he felt about such demands, Farhad was matter-of-fact, saying, “They give orders, and we have to obey. We may not like their way of doing things, but at least we can say that it is much less corrupt.”

Officials in Kabul are reluctant to publicly acknowledge or discuss ground-level negotiations with the Taliban, and they often reiterate their obligation to provide services to Afghans—regardless of what side of the conflict they might be on. “People living under the control of the Taliban are not necessarily Taliban themselves,” said Wahid Majrooh, a spokesman for the Ministry of Public Health. “The Ministry of Public Health is committed to providing health services to all Afghans.” While the ministry has no official policy on whether or how its employees should deal with the Taliban, he said that in “specific cases where health workers face challenges from insurgents, they solve the issue through community elders.”


No one can say for sure how much of the country the Taliban administer. Estimates of territorial control are hotly disputed. Operation Resolute Support, the NATO-led training and support mission, estimates that the insurgency influences or controls 14 percent of the country’s districts while the government controls 56 percent and the rest is contested. In contrast, a BBC study released in January estimated that the Taliban were “openly active” in 70 percent of the country’s districts.

Terms such as influence and “openly active” are difficult to visualize. The Taliban’s strategy defies zero-sum notions of control. An accurate map of Taliban influence would show most major district centers and cities encircled. An hour’s drive in any direction from Kabul will put you in Taliban territory. There may not be a Taliban flag flying, but everyone knows who is in charge. The Taliban make and enforce the rules; they collect taxes and decide how much of a presence the government can retain.

During the troop surge, international forces focused on an ink spot strategy: establishing control in district centers and aiming to win Afghan hearts and minds by providing aid and services. Government influence would then spread outward to connect to other state-controlled areas. The hope was that if the government could connect enough of these areas, it would amass enough support to turn the tide against the Taliban. With the drawdown of international forces, the opposite has happened: The ink spots have gotten smaller and less connected. The United States has abandoned counterinsurgency, while the Taliban are now using good governance to win civilian support.

The Taliban officials I have spoken to recently claim not to be seeking outright victory but a peace deal, and their method of governance seems to support this claim. Helmand province in southwestern Afghanistan offers the best example of how this process works. The Afghan government now estimates that the Taliban control 85 percent of Helmand, and locals refer to the northern town of Musa Qala as the Taliban’s capital. As elsewhere, Taliban rule relies on cooperation with the Afghan government.

During a visit to the provincial capital of Lashkar Gah, Hayatullah Hayat, the former governor of Helmand, displayed a binder full of letters from Taliban officials, many requesting the government to provide clinics and development projects. When asked why he entertained requests from an insurgency that his government was at war with, Hayat dismissed the Taliban’s staying power. “They can control these areas through violence, but they cannot provide real government. They have no capacity and no vision,” he said. “Afghans know it is really the government providing these things.”


Cooperation is uniquely bureaucratized in Helmand. Last February, representatives from the Taliban’s education commission and the government’s provincial department of education signed a 10-point memorandum of understanding outlining their respective responsibilities for providing education. Group pictures from the signing surfaced on Twitter, with black-turbaned Taliban members, their faces partially covered, sitting cross-legged alongside their government counterparts.

The agreement stated that all schools are government property but that it is the Taliban’s responsibility to protect the schools and their staff. Both sides pledged to work together to reopen the schools that had closed due to the fighting in previous years. According to Daud Shah Sharafi, the central government’s provincial director of education, 33 schools, or more than a fifth of those that had been closed, have reopened since the agreement was signed.

Sharafi defended the agreement, which the Afghan security services criticized bitterly. “Of course the Taliban are using this agreement as propaganda to show how weak the government is,” he said. “But is it better for children to be in school or for there to be no school and nothing for them to do but join the Taliban?”

Local Taliban members had a different take. “People criticized the Taliban for being ineffective in the 1990s, but we never had this kind of aid money when we were in government,” a Taliban finance official said. “Look at what we could do with all of this international support if you put us in charge.”

“People criticized the Taliban for being ineffective in the 1990s, but we never had this kind of aid money when we were in government,” a Taliban finance official said. “Look at what we could do with all of this international support if you put us in charge.”

To many, the idea of the Taliban being back in charge is a terrifying prospect. The Taliban have shifted some policy positions, but many old rules have been reinstated. While the Taliban now say they do not oppose girls’ education or women working in certain sectors, the reality is that in areas the group controls, girls do not go to school past puberty and women cannot leave the house without a male chaperone. Men must grow their beards, eschew modern dress for shalwar kameez, and attend mosque. Smartphones and televisions are officially banned, and although the rule is often flouted, getting caught results in a beating. Those convicted of spying for the government are executed. Many citizens live in constant fear. Afghans who can afford to do so leave for nearby cities where the government’s laws still hold sway. Yet even there they are not safe, as countless Taliban attacks in cities across the country illustrate.

To what degree are the Taliban winning public support? The answer is not clear-cut. Certainly some Afghans in rural areas provide active support to the insurgency; the movement heavily relies on civilians for food and shelter. Most Afghans are just tired of war, disillusioned and disgusted by the unending brutality committed by all sides. They don’t see the current government or Taliban as an ideal option, but decades of upheaval and chaos have taught them that their preferences matter very little to the outcome. “We surrender to whoever is there. When the mujahideen came, we surrendered. When the [Hamid] Karzai government came, we surrendered. If the Taliban come, we surrender,” said another teacher from Logar. “This is how we survive.”

In August 2017, U.S. President Donald Trump announced a new strategy for Afghanistan, pledging “to fight and to win.” The strategy was heavy on air power and light on diplomacy and ultimately ill-suited to combat an insurgency so deeply intertwined with the population. Civilian casualties from airstrikes hit an all-time high in 2017. The United States dropped more bombs that year—with 14,000 troops on the ground—than it did in 2012 with almost 100,000 troops. Airstrikes were rarely followed up with attempts to establish government control, leaving most Afghans wondering what the point was.

Attempts at reforming the government, which would address the very causes of discontent that give the Taliban leverage, have foundered and are now only a marginal part of U.S. strategy. As a recent report from the U.S. special inspector general for Afghanistan reconstruction underscored, stabilization had largely failed and the United States “greatly overestimated its ability to build and reform government institutions.” The National Unity Government remains a fragile coalition nearly paralyzed by corruption and infighting. The only recent positive press the government has received was for orchestrating a three-day cease-fire with the Taliban over the Eid al-Fitr holiday in June.

In July, reports emerged that the Trump administration had abandoned its hopes of turning the tide of the war. The United States is now urging Afghan forces to further retreat from rural areas and instead focus their limited resources on protecting urban centers. The mission to build Afghan security forces has faltered, with the inspector general’s office reporting that force size has shrunk by about 5 percent over the past year. There are also signs that Washington is open to bilateral political talks directly with the Taliban, one of the insurgent group’s long-standing demands. In late July, Taliban officials claim to have met with Alice Wells, the White House’s most senior diplomat for South and Central Asia, which the State Department neither confirmed nor denied.

Direct talks are the only way to end America’s longest war, but it will be a long and tenuous process. Confidence-building measures, such as the Eid cease-fire, are important, but much more must be done, from creating a mechanism for formal talks to jump-starting the local peacebuilding initiatives that will build a foundation for a sustainable political settlement. Difficult questions remain, however, about the future of Afghanistan, particularly when it comes to democratic governance and human rights. While diplomats and pundits debate what a power-sharing deal with the Taliban might look like, a hybrid government is already taking over large parts of the country.


Ashley Jackson is the co-director of the Centre for the Study of Armed Groups at the Overseas Development Institute. Twitter: @a_a_jackson

Source: https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/09/12/the-talibans-fight-for-hearts-and-minds-aghanistan/
 
[MENTION=47524]thelandofthebravepeople[/MENTION] meanwhile Americans were bombing Afghanistan and their puppets were providing safe havens to Indian sponsored terrorists, pedophiles and heroin smugglers... the Taliban were ruling their areas with iron fist, collecting taxes, providing medieval times' justice but it was better than anything that puppet Kabul administration ever provided to an average Afghan. The support Talban enjoy all around Afghanistan backs this argument.

Time will put everyone in their rightful place.
 
[MENTION=47524]thelandofthebravepeople[/MENTION] meanwhile Americans were bombing Afghanistan and their puppets were providing safe havens to Indian sponsored terrorists, pedophiles and heroin smugglers... the Taliban were ruling their areas with iron fist, collecting taxes, providing medieval times' justice but it was better than anything that puppet Kabul administration ever provided to an average Afghan. The support Talban enjoy all around Afghanistan backs this argument.

Time will put everyone in their rightful place.

To me it seems as I said earlier there is much more support for Taliban among Pakistanis.

TTP should rule KPK as they are ethnic Pashtuns and Pashtun culture is much different then the western culture that is winning in bigger cities like Lahore and Karachi. Such as drinking, clubbing etc.

I am also sure they can stop the rapings in Pakistan with their medieval justice that you are promoting here.

TTP is 100% the same as Afghan Taliban. There is no difference.

Here is just 1 example: Taliban: Bombing Outside Afghan School Kills at Least 90, With Girls as Targets
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/08/world/asia/bombing-school-afghanistan.html

But hey they are supported by everyone in Afghanistan...
 
To me it seems as I said earlier there is much more support for Taliban among Pakistanis.

TTP should rule KPK as they are ethnic Pashtuns and Pashtun culture is much different then the western culture that is winning in bigger cities like Lahore and Karachi. Such as drinking, clubbing etc.

I am also sure they can stop the rapings in Pakistan with their medieval justice that you are promoting here.

TTP is 100% the same as Afghan Taliban. There is no difference.

Here is just 1 example: Taliban: Bombing Outside Afghan School Kills at Least 90, With Girls as Targets
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/08/world/asia/bombing-school-afghanistan.html

But hey they are supported by everyone in Afghanistan...

You still do not want to get it.

Pakistanis are supporting Taliban because of a decade of terrorist attacks on Pakistan were backed by TTP and now is finally the time to deliver a coup de grace to this terrorist organization.

Maybe puppet Kabul administration shouldn't have promoted terrorism in Pakistan.
 
Last edited:
Most Afghans came and told pakistanis what they want?

3bn is not even 1 percent of India's annual gdp.

Economic pontification doesn't suit you when pakistan is surviving by begging bailouts.

$3b would feed millions of Indians or create hospital spaces, so they dont die on the streets.

King Khan, my stance is simple. I support democracy and my stance is that let the Afghan people decide their fate. You support the Taliban because they apparently fought the "invaders", since the invaders have left now, who are the Taliban fighting again? If the Afghan people don't like the current regime in power, they would be voted out in the next elections provided democracy prevails. How is it letting the Afghans "decide their fate" when the Taliban come to power through brute force and and violence. The Taliban are opposed to democracy anyway, so how is it letting the Afghans decide their destiny? How are the Afghans supposed to do the process of nation building and progress as a country under the Taliban when the Taliban didn't even let little girls to get educated the last time they were in power?

Would you be favoured to the Taliban taking over Pakistan while fighting Imran's democratic government and the Pakistani army? I feel it's hypocritical that people would want the Afghans to be rather under the Taliban, calling their government as "stooge" and "puppet" but wouldn't want the Taliban in power in Pakistan. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I have no issues if you support the Taliban to take over Pakistan too, at least your views would be consistent. Otherwise it's pure hypocrisy.

And no, the majority of Afghans don't support the Taliban. Just think, why would a majority of people long to live under a repressive regime that meted out harsh corporal public punishments for people and one that punished people for trivial things like shaving. Sure, there might be a minority that supports such a regime, but that would be the same case even in Pakistan (the male and female students of Lal masjid supported the same during its siege in Islamabad, didn't mean the majority of Pakistanis supported the cause). You just have to read the views of Afghans on social media to get a grip of what they want. Sure anecdotal evidence may not be reflective of the reality, but how many times have you come across Afghans supporting the Taliban on social media and how many times it was vice versa. Even in this very own forum, I've read views of Afghans denouncing the Taliban than supporting them. The only support of the Taliban I've seen are from Pakistanis.

I'm frankly surprised that the British Pakistanis seem to think that Afghan civilians support the Taliban given there was a very recent protest by Afghans in front of the Pakistani embassy in London.


It is strange that every Afghan outside its country seems to hate the Taliban, yet we are supposed to believe that the reality is otherwise. Maybe they are all "elites" and the actual Afghans living inside Afghanistan can't wait to live under the happy regime of the Taliban once again.

Majority of Afghans are Pashtuns, so are the Taliban. If the majority didnt support them, there is no chance they would have won the war. Many of current government troops were involved in killing the occupying soldiers. Taliban are not opposed to democracy, they have confirmed many times they are willing to work with the any other parties to create a new Afghanistan, inc voting. You must be reading Fox news or some right wing Indian news.

Its up to the Afghans to decide, I dont support any group, its not my business. I supported the resistance , every Afghan Taliban or other has a right to self defence. Your video is thus irrlevant.

Indian should keep its nose out of their business, its supporting a puppet government in order to use their land to plan terrorist attacks in Pakistan. But thats ok for you.
 
You still do not want to get it.

Pakistanis are supporting Taliban because of a decade of terrorist attacks on Pakistan were backed by TTP and now is finally the time to deliver a coup de grace to this terrorist organization.

Maybe puppet Kabul administration shouldn't have promoted terrorism in Pakistan.

haha, this poster in every posts wants to believe TTP are the same as the Taliban, even though the Taliban themselves have many times confirmed this not to be the case.

And yes its upto the Afghans to decide their own future but any government which is using it's soil to plan attacks in Pakistan will of course be hated.
 
Taliban’s Next Stop: Kabul, Kashmir and Kerala


India fears that at this stage in the war if she openly takes sides with the Ghani government, then Indian interests in Afghanistan will become the target of Taliban violence and destruction.

IANS | Kabul | July 16, 2021 3:00 pm


The speedy advance of the Taliban from northern Afghanistan to Kabul in the eastern section of the country could not have been achieved without the active support of the Pakistani Army. This has been confirmed by none other than the Afghan First Vice President Amrullah Saleh. The question is whether the people of Afghanistan, India, and neighboring countries will allow the Taliban to capture Kabul?

India is faced with a very tricky situation. Despite the Afghan government’s appeals to India to immediately send fighter jets and gunship helicopters India remains hesitant, and not without reason.

India fears that at this stage in the war in Afghanistan between the Taliban and the government of President Ashraf Ghani if she openly takes sides with the latter then Indian interests in Afghanistan will become the target of Taliban violence and destruction. Hence, India’s backdoor channel talks with the Taliban have been reportedly taking place.

https://www.thestatesman.com/opinion/talibans-next-stop-kabul-kashmir-kerala-1502982817.html
 
'Significant numbers' of ISIS terrorists in Kerala, Karnataka: UN report on terrorism


United Nations: A UN report on terrorism has warned that there are "significant numbers" of ISIS terrorists in Kerala and Karnataka, noting that the al-Qaida in the Indian Subcontinent terror group, which reportedly has between 150 and 200 militants from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Myanmar, is planning attacks in the region.

The 26th report of the Analytical Support and Sanctions Monitoring Team concerning ISIS, al-Qaida and associated individuals and entities said that the al-Qai ..

Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst
 
I think people are underestimating the Afghan special forces and elite units they are battle hardened and better fighters than nato us special forces and pakistani troops .
Backed by aircraft and usa aipower they are more than capable of defending the urban centres.

Most of the defections are from police , militia and conscript fighters in the ana who are mostly civilians or criminals and not proper troops. The collapse in rural areas is due to the inept corrupt Afghan government.

The Afghan special forces are mostly shias and hazaras and have received top training from Western special forces they are also very brutal and have killed many civilian pashtuns accusing them of being taliban or taliban sympathisers they also don't care if they bomb civilian areas the war is beginning go get ugly like Syria now .

Unless pakistan backs the taliban with its own elite units , heavy weapons, drones and airpower , taliban will struggle to overcome the Afghan elite units and the fighting will lead to stalemate, increased casualties and refugees its already happening . Taliban is throwing kitchen sink in helmand and kandahar but cannot remove Afghan elite units due to their airpower they can call upon .

Again our goverment and military generals have 2 legs in 2 boats and cannot back one side and hesitating.
 
I think people are underestimating the Afghan special forces and elite units they are battle hardened and better fighters than nato us special forces and pakistani troops .
Backed by aircraft and usa aipower they are more than capable of defending the urban centres.

Most of the defections are from police , militia and conscript fighters in the ana who are mostly civilians or criminals and not proper troops. The collapse in rural areas is due to the inept corrupt Afghan government.

The Afghan special forces are mostly shias and hazaras and have received top training from Western special forces they are also very brutal and have killed many civilian pashtuns accusing them of being taliban or taliban sympathisers they also don't care if they bomb civilian areas the war is beginning go get ugly like Syria now .

Unless pakistan backs the taliban with its own elite units , heavy weapons, drones and airpower , taliban will struggle to overcome the Afghan elite units and the fighting will lead to stalemate, increased casualties and refugees its already happening . Taliban is throwing kitchen sink in helmand and kandahar but cannot remove Afghan elite units due to their airpower they can call upon .

Again our goverment and military generals have 2 legs in 2 boats and cannot back one side and hesitating.

If Pakistan intervene in this war then it will be yet another disastrous decade for the country.

No way in hell Pakistan are jumping back into this conflict.

If ANA defeat Taliban then Pak should accept their government and move on. And if Taliban win, which is most likely, then same thing should happen.
 
I think people are underestimating the Afghan special forces and elite units they are battle hardened and better fighters than nato us special forces and pakistani troops .
Backed by aircraft and usa aipower they are more than capable of defending the urban centres.

Most of the defections are from police , militia and conscript fighters in the ana who are mostly civilians or criminals and not proper troops. The collapse in rural areas is due to the inept corrupt Afghan government.

The Afghan special forces are mostly shias and hazaras and have received top training from Western special forces they are also very brutal and have killed many civilian pashtuns accusing them of being taliban or taliban sympathisers they also don't care if they bomb civilian areas the war is beginning go get ugly like Syria now .

Unless pakistan backs the taliban with its own elite units , heavy weapons, drones and airpower , taliban will struggle to overcome the Afghan elite units and the fighting will lead to stalemate, increased casualties and refugees its already happening . Taliban is throwing kitchen sink in helmand and kandahar but cannot remove Afghan elite units due to their airpower they can call upon .

Again our goverment and military generals have 2 legs in 2 boats and cannot back one side and hesitating.

They are about to lose Lashkargah. Not far off taking Kandahar. Herat is holding on but wont be long before it's taken. Remember the foriegn forces left so much ammunition, arms even inc hummers, all have been taken by the Taliban.

You are right the NA forces are nothing short of evil, they kill without remorse, which is why the Taliban have majority support in Afghanistan.
 
I think people are underestimating the Afghan special forces and elite units they are battle hardened and better fighters than nato us special forces and pakistani troops .
Backed by aircraft and usa aipower they are more than capable of defending the urban centres.

Most of the defections are from police , militia and conscript fighters in the ana who are mostly civilians or criminals and not proper troops. The collapse in rural areas is due to the inept corrupt Afghan government.

The Afghan special forces are mostly shias and hazaras and have received top training from Western special forces they are also very brutal and have killed many civilian pashtuns accusing them of being taliban or taliban sympathisers they also don't care if they bomb civilian areas the war is beginning go get ugly like Syria now .

Unless pakistan backs the taliban with its own elite units , heavy weapons, drones and airpower , taliban will struggle to overcome the Afghan elite units and the fighting will lead to stalemate, increased casualties and refugees its already happening . Taliban is throwing kitchen sink in helmand and kandahar but cannot remove Afghan elite units due to their airpower they can call upon .

Again our goverment and military generals have 2 legs in 2 boats and cannot back one side and hesitating.

hmmm, and you are saying all this after 20 years of an unsuccessful American occupation?
 
IMO, Taliban's next stop is Indian Occupied Kashmir

Seems like a masterstroke from Pakistan. Everyone was waiting for Pak to do something after India revoked 370, but looks like Pakistan was waiting patiently to deal its master card after 2 years. Pakistanis should start booking holidays at Srinagar already.

You also said Taliban has its eyes set on Kerala too. Perhaps an advanced booking for the houseboats in the backwaters of Allepey is in order as well!
 
I think people are underestimating the Afghan special forces and elite units they are battle hardened and better fighters than nato us special forces and pakistani troops .
Backed by aircraft and usa aipower they are more than capable of defending the urban centres.

Most of the defections are from police , militia and conscript fighters in the ana who are mostly civilians or criminals and not proper troops. The collapse in rural areas is due to the inept corrupt Afghan government.

The Afghan special forces are mostly shias and hazaras and have received top training from Western special forces they are also very brutal and have killed many civilian pashtuns accusing them of being taliban or taliban sympathisers they also don't care if they bomb civilian areas the war is beginning go get ugly like Syria now .

Unless pakistan backs the taliban with its own elite units , heavy weapons, drones and airpower , taliban will struggle to overcome the Afghan elite units and the fighting will lead to stalemate, increased casualties and refugees its already happening . Taliban is throwing kitchen sink in helmand and kandahar but cannot remove Afghan elite units due to their airpower they can call upon .

Again our goverment and military generals have 2 legs in 2 boats and cannot back one side and hesitating.

Pretty stupid to declare Afghan special forces superior to NATO/US forces. Anyway, the reality is that Afghan Special Forces are decently trained and decently equipped which allows them to hold their ground against taliban with the help of air support for now. But the problem is that they are finite and few and already stretched to their limits. I was told that there are already more than 150 battlefronts and Afghan special forces cannot cover all of them. Also, they are expensive as I believe each Afghan special force soldier costs millions of dollars with trainings and weapons. But even then, losing them one by one and not being able to replace them will result in exponentially growing misery and dejection for Afghan Special forces.

On the other hand, Taliban soldiers are cheaper and much more battle hardened against superior US/NATO forces. Replacement and cost is not an issue and morale is at all time high with American retreat. You do the maths.

The only thing that concerns me is in either case afghans are dying. Taliban and Govt forces both are Afghan blood that has been needlessly spilling for too long now. It is high time that sense prevails and especially it is crucial that Taliban donot go in all out revenge mode. That will breed fresh circles of revenge and violence. Taliban are brutal but let’s dont kid ourselves into thinking that Northern alliance are humanists. Infact history shows that their atrocities on battleground are far greater.
 
Last edited:
Back
Top