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Will India tour Pakistan in 2023(Asia Cup) and 2025(Champions Trophy)?

Will India tour Pakistan in 2023(Asia Cup) and 2025(Champions Trophy)?

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According to Rameez Raja, Majority of ICC revenues come from India and pakistani population means little when the economy is 280bn only.

If other teams, especially the white players stop playing with India and in IPL, BCCI’s revenue will also take a nose dive.

BCCI needs world cricket just as much. And that’s the point to be proven
 
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Of course the market works both ways. BCCI generates a lot of revenue because there are hundreds of millions of people in India who love cricket - and love seeing the international stars play - whether it is against India or in the IPL.

But the delusion is quite funny if people think BCCI will still generate the same revenue just from the Ranji Trophy and the Indian public will be satisfied with just the Ranji Trophy with no international stars. India needs international cricket and international cricketers too.

Yes, they likely won't tour Pakistan but that isn't a commercial decision or a cricketing decision, it is a political decision. If the political situation improves (unlikely) we will see Pakistan v India before we see dust.
 
Asia Cup I can see India skipping, at the end of the day its not an ICC tournament. However Champions trophy i do not think they would want to miss out, however at the same time, because it is not a world cup, it is very possible they can skip it too.

Realistically what I see for CT if india does not travel to Pakistan, is they will host it in 2 countries Pakistan and UAE, with India playing thier games in UAE, and final being played their too.
 
Yes, they can. The ICC can have India forfeit all its points and any revenue share from the tournament.

Thats fair. India didn't play the tournament and hence should not get any share of money from that tournament.

BCCI can arrange a mini IPL with Indian players and compensate the loss.
 
If other teams, especially the white players stop playing with India and in IPL, BCCI’s revenue will also take a nose dive.

BCCI needs world cricket just as much. And that’s the point to be proven

Why will non pakistani players stop Playing in India? For what reason?

What if Bcci does a packer? IPL teams are going for 600mn - 700mn. These owners are dollar billionaires and can offer players millions.

BCCI can live without playing in a CT. It can easily compensate the loss of revenue from that tournament.

But who will compensate ICC when sponsors and broadcasters refuse to pay the same amount they were paying.
 
I see that you are struggling with reading comprehension skills and selective reading. Let's state it another way, since you clearly didn't get it the first time.

I am advocating for Pakistan to be a power on its own in cricket. I am advocating that Pakistan should see to it that every home series, Asia Cup, and the champions trophy should be packed to the brim with Pakistan fans. That is what gives Pakistan market power on its own and shows further that Pakistan is not in need of India. Home cricket has returned to Pakistan. It will continue in Pakistan. New stadiums are on the way, safety is no longer a concern as Pakistan has hosted multiple tours safely over the last six years.

It is at that time, when Pakistan becomes a cricket power due to the lucrative nature of playing cricket in Pakistan, that will bring Pakistan and India to level terms and and force the BCCI to make a decision. And if BCCI wants to miss out on the world's largest sporting rivalry, they are more than welcome. Pakistan will continue further without issue as the domestic base will continue to generate money for Pakistan cricket.

EDIT: And I should add that passion of any kind, whether hatred or love, defines sporting rivalries.

Your intentions are noble but naive. Pakistan's market pull is no where close to India's. There is more middle class in India than the entire population of Pakistan. Major sponsors of cricket are from India. There will never be parity between India and Pakistan because of demographic differences. BCCI just sold a couple of IPL franchises for a couple of billion dollars.
 
India will play Asia Cup and CT in Pakistan because they want Pakistan to play in India in the world cups and CTs in the next decade.
 
Just my hunch, but I think these tours will happen.

Jay Shah is at the helm of affairs in the BCCI and you could say he's the de facto govt representation in the BCCI. I think the CT coming to Pakistan had a role of the Ramiz-Jay Shah-Ganguly meeting in the UAE a few days back. Maybe it's an optimistic reading of the situation. Also India might tour Pak for the Asia cup as well if it happens before the home world cup.
 
India will play Asia Cup and CT in Pakistan because they want Pakistan to play in India in the world cups and CTs in the next decade.

Why will this even bother the Indian government?

If Pakistan doesn't travel to India they will miss 4 ICC tournaments. India will miss only one.
 
I don’t think it’ll ever come down to “whether India will travel or not”


Asia Cup - It will not take place (due to the busy schedule) and it shouldn’t. It’s just a waste of time and energy

CT - It’ll be decided to move it to the U.A.E in Sep 2024 (5 months before the actual event)
 
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If by filling up stadiums the host country will get millions then Pakistan cricket or for that matter any other country's cricket board would be cash rich. I think there are so many posters who have explained that but the same delusion remains.


I think this is Pakistan's chance to make a statement that they can stand without India if India decides not to tour. Imagine stadiums stuffed full of green shirted fans. The security issues will be a memory in 23 barring outright war or a February 27th incident. It's time for Pakistan to build an image of more than just a safe place to play-that it is a lucrative place to play. That more than anything else will eventually put Pakistan-India cricket relations back on the map because BCCI will start badgering GOI about missing out on the fun and money.
 
One of the strongest points of IPL are teams from different states with their own language, food, culture etc. That makes it so unique. There is so much ownership and loyalty for a local team. International players bring with them skill sets and world class performances to liven up the IPL. But the revenues are are derived from the Indian market. We saw in the two new team auction the amount of money spent for buying a team. There will be a dip in interest and quality of cricket if the international players don't come but believe me the IPL will still go on strong. How does the NFL do it? Are there of foreign draftees there too? [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]?



If other teams, especially the white players stop playing with India and in IPL, BCCI’s revenue will also take a nose dive.

BCCI needs world cricket just as much. And that’s the point to be proven
 
Why will this even bother the Indian government?

If Pakistan doesn't travel to India they will miss 4 ICC tournaments. India will miss only one.

unless you represent the indian government, i recommend you stay quiet - you do not know the future. Secondly, your toxic opinions are not facts - kindly stop portraying them as such.

you can have a 500 trillion dollar IPL, but you know deep down that it is without pakistani players and without the top cream. You can deny all you want, and BCCI knows this deep down as well - that excluding pakistani players from top level competition is not an option anymore because you cannot have a legitimate league without top talent. It de-legitimizes your own league - political or not.

A 10 wicket humiliation should have put that debate to rest.
 
One of the strongest points of IPL are teams from different states with their own language, food, culture etc. That makes it so unique. There is so much ownership and loyalty for a local team. International players bring with them skill sets and world class performances to liven up the IPL. But the revenues are are derived from the Indian market. We saw in the two new team auction the amount of money spent for buying a team. There will be a dip in interest and quality of cricket if the international players don't come but believe me the IPL will still go on strong. How does the NFL do it? Are there of foreign draftees there too? [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]?


If you believe that you have the brand, then why rely on International players at all? Just have a domestic IPL.

The fact is, IPL needs international talent because at the end of the day, India is a third world country and no one cares about local cricket.

You need international players to market it and legitimize the standard of the league.

Dont compare with NFL. American football is not a worldwide sport. It was developed differently from cricket and soccer.
 
I don't think India will miss the CT. Highly unlikely that we will go for Asia Cup though.

So the government of India will change its policy for one ICC tournament?

If they do, then rest everyone will demand the same.

Remember India didn't travel to Pakistan even for the Davis cup.
 
One of the strongest points of IPL are teams from different states with their own language, food, culture etc. That makes it so unique. There is so much ownership and loyalty for a local team. International players bring with them skill sets and world class performances to liven up the IPL. But the revenues are are derived from the Indian market. We saw in the two new team auction the amount of money spent for buying a team. There will be a dip in interest and quality of cricket if the international players don't come but believe me the IPL will still go on strong. How does the NFL do it? Are there of foreign draftees there too? [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]?

Well, the money will still flow in IPL, if not as much initially, if foreigners dont come.

I tell you what, if India doesn't go to Pakistan for the CT 2025, and arranges a mini IPL with Indian players only, that will have more money than the CT.
 
So the government of India will change its policy for one ICC tournament?

If they do, then rest everyone will demand the same.

Remember India didn't travel to Pakistan even for the Davis cup.

4 years is a long time though and there may be a new government. Who knows? It may well not happen but I think theres a greater chance of that happening than for Asia Cup , a redundant tournament
 
I am advocating for Pakistan to be a power on its own in cricket. I am advocating that Pakistan should see to it that every home series, Asia Cup, and the champions trophy should be packed to the brim with Pakistan fans. That is what gives Pakistan market power on its own and shows further that Pakistan is not in need of India.

Pakistan market power depends on the money it generates. If it was upto just how many fans they draw in the stadium, Bangladesh would be right up there with India, England and Australia.

Pakistan is an economically weak market compared to the top 3 and until they don't become a revenue generating force for PCB and ICC in terms of drawing sponsorship money from Pakistani companies and big money broadcast rights deals by Pakistani television networks, they will never be seen as a strong market.
 
Champions Trophy 2025 in Pakistan: Indian government and Home Ministry will take a decision, says Sports Minister Anurag Thakur

ICC on Tuesday confirmed the 14 host countries of the ICC men's white-ball events from 2024-2031. The Champions Trophy is back and Pakistan will host the tournament in 2025.

When asked about his views regarding Pakistan being the host, Anurag Thakur during a media interaction said, "When the time will come, the Indian government and the Home Ministry will take a decision. During the international championships, all the factors are looked upon."

"Even in past, many countries have refused to play in Pakistan due to security concerns. As you all know, many players were even attacked while playing over there and that's a big issue to be dealt with," he added.

The ICC Board's decision means Pakistan will defend the ICC Champions Trophy title in their backyard when the eight-team and 15-match tournament is held at three iconic venues in February 2025. Pakistan had defeated India by 180 runs in the 2017 tournament at The Oval.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...ision-says-anurag-thakur-101637139710350.html
 
I think we should play both Asia Cup and CT, hell!, tour each other for bilateral matches. Enough of the hostility and fake chest thumping! We’re in 2021 for heaven’s sake!
 
The International Cricket Council (ICC) on Tuesday announced a jam-packed schedule for the next ten years. One of the biggest talking points from the development was Pakistan being declared as the hosts for the 2025 Champions Trophy. Pakistan hosting an ICC tournament is a major talking point and Sports Minister Anurag Thakur shared his views on whether or not the Men in Blue will tour Pakistan for the tournament.

Due to the political tensions between the two countries, India and Pakistan now lock horns only in ICC events and it has been quite some time since India last toured Pakistan for any series.

Speaking to reporters on Wednesday, Thakur said that Home Ministry will be involved in the decision and the decision will be taken after a lot of assessment.

"When time comes will see what to do. Home ministry will be involved in decision making. Lot of countries have pulled out of going to Pakistan due to security issues. Will assess the security then and decide," Thakur told reporters.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...-pakistan-in-2025-for-champions-trophy/832682
 
If Indian government doesn't allow the Indian team to go, ICC cannot do anything.

Likewise, I hope the Indian government keeps similar sentiments in 2023.

Unnecessary nationalism won't help anyone. If they have a problem with playing in Pakistan, or with Pakistan, why doesn't the government prevent Pakistan from playing in 2023?
 
Why will non pakistani players stop Playing in India? For what reason?

What if Bcci does a packer? IPL teams are going for 600mn - 700mn. These owners are dollar billionaires and can offer players millions.

BCCI can live without playing in a CT. It can easily compensate the loss of revenue from that tournament.

But who will compensate ICC when sponsors and broadcasters refuse to pay the same amount they were paying.


So you guys will be playing T20 IPL all year long with a few white players mixed with Indians to make it attractive?


One of the strongest points of IPL are teams from different states with their own language, food, culture etc. That makes it so unique. There is so much ownership and loyalty for a local team. International players bring with them skill sets and world class performances to liven up the IPL. But the revenues are are derived from the Indian market. We saw in the two new team auction the amount of money spent for buying a team. There will be a dip in interest and quality of cricket if the international players don't come but believe me the IPL will still go on strong. How does the NFL do it? Are there of foreign draftees there too? [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]?

So in theory, Ranji trophy should earn in the same breadth as IPL?
 
Champions Trophy 2025 in Pakistan: Indian government and Home Ministry will take a decision, says Sports Minister Anurag Thakur

ICC on Tuesday confirmed the 14 host countries of the ICC men's white-ball events from 2024-2031. The Champions Trophy is back and Pakistan will host the tournament in 2025.

When asked about his views regarding Pakistan being the host, Anurag Thakur during a media interaction said, "When the time will come, the Indian government and the Home Ministry will take a decision. During the international championships, all the factors are looked upon."

"Even in past, many countries have refused to play in Pakistan due to security concerns. As you all know, many players were even attacked while playing over there and that's a big issue to be dealt with," he added.

The ICC Board's decision means Pakistan will defend the ICC Champions Trophy title in their backyard when the eight-team and 15-match tournament is held at three iconic venues in February 2025. Pakistan had defeated India by 180 runs in the 2017 tournament at The Oval.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...ision-says-anurag-thakur-101637139710350.html

Why?
So is he saying, his hatred and vengeance against Pakistan will be softened by then?
The Indian army jawans and shaheedon ka khoon will be forgotten by then? lol

If he is a man of principles, he should say it right away that the Indian govt is not going to send it's team to Pak. What's so difficult about it?
 
Why will this even bother the Indian government?

If Pakistan doesn't travel to India they will miss 4 ICC tournaments. India will miss only one.

It will bother the Indians. When you are hosting a tournament, you need the teams that draw the crowds. And India is hosting it 3 times. Pak is a draw in India. Iirc, India was ready to host Pakistan many times but wasn't willing to travel to Pak. GOI will probably make an exception for ICC tournaments. I think the goal was to squeeze PCB out of massive revenues through bilateral series with India. Playing ICC tournaments won't violate that rule.
 
If you believe that you have the brand, then why rely on International players at all? Just have a domestic IPL.

The fact is, IPL needs international talent because at the end of the day, India is a third world country and no one cares about local cricket.

You need international players to market it and legitimize the standard of the league.

Dont compare with NFL. American football is not a worldwide sport. It was developed differently from cricket and soccer.

International players play in every league. The revenues in those leagues are a tiny fraction of IPL. The biggest draw in IPL are the Indian stars. Indian crowds will watch any league where their stars play. By restricting Indian stars to play only in IPL, BCCI created a unique brand and the value is high. Foreign players are part of it as in any league and add value to it. Third world comments are rubbish. They don't matter considering BCCI is the richest board by far in cricket.
 
Will there be an India to tour Pakistan by 2025? Think there will be a Sino-Indian war by then.
 
It will bother the Indians. When you are hosting a tournament, you need the teams that draw the crowds. And India is hosting it 3 times. Pak is a draw in India. Iirc, India was ready to host Pakistan many times but wasn't willing to travel to Pak. GOI will probably make an exception for ICC tournaments. I think the goal was to squeeze PCB out of massive revenues through bilateral series with India. Playing ICC tournaments won't violate that rule.

The goal is to reduce contact and relations with Pakistan to bare minimum.

You don't need pakistan to draw crowds in India.

If India misses the 2025 CT they will also not receive the revenue share from that tournament. If pakistan refuses to go to India they will not receive revenue from 3 tournaments. Thats nearly 40 per cent of the revenue share. Good luck to PCB to recoup that loss.

If Modi is in power and he allows the team to travel to Pakistan, under whatever excuse, the media and opposition will eat him.

To me this is a 60-40 thing and a lot will depend on the circumstances prevailing just prior to that event. If there is a major event in India, forget about the team going to Pakistan.
 
International players play in every league. The revenues in those leagues are a tiny fraction of IPL. The biggest draw in IPL are the Indian stars. Indian crowds will watch any league where their stars play. By restricting Indian stars to play only in IPL, BCCI created a unique brand and the value is high. Foreign players are part of it as in any league and add value to it. Third world comments are rubbish. They don't matter considering BCCI is the richest board by far in cricket.
Third world comment is completely relevant.

You're comparing IPL to NFL while failing to realize how both of these sports have developed and how the market cap was reached in their respective countries and why NFL will forever be successful due to huge GDP per capita. IPL on the other hand, may have a strong domestic revenue stream, but because cricket is inherently an international sport, it will never reach the legitimacy or reputation as a strong international side winning world events.

Honestly, how can you say IPL is the premier quality product after such a poor show in your own backyard?
 
International players play in every league. The revenues in those leagues are a tiny fraction of IPL. The biggest draw in IPL are the Indian stars. Indian crowds will watch any league where their stars play. By restricting Indian stars to play only in IPL, BCCI created a unique brand and the value is high. Foreign players are part of it as in any league and add value to it. Third world comments are rubbish. They don't matter considering BCCI is the richest board by far in cricket.


Lets then compare the revenue of Ranji trophy with IPL.

Ranji Trophy should have higher revenue numbers because it only has ALL "Indian stars". No?

Fact of the matter is, IPL relies only and only on white players.

Remove the white players from IPL and then see? I think it will also hit the fair n lovely sale numbers in India.
 
Lets then compare the revenue of Ranji trophy with IPL.

Ranji Trophy should have higher revenue numbers because it only has ALL "Indian stars". No?

Fact of the matter is, IPL relies only and only on white players.

Remove the white players from IPL and then see? I think it will also hit the fair n lovely sale numbers in India.

You are comparing Ranji (Test) with IPL(T20)... Sit down bro...
 
I don't see either event happening in Pakistan. And if India refuses to visit Pakistan, that'll be just the excuse ICC would need to move the 2025 champions trophy event out of Pakistan. An ICC tournament cannot have India not participating. Have that feeling that ICC gave Pakistan the Champions Trophy just to please them temporarily, knowing fully well that that India wouldn't visit Pakistan and they can always take the tournament out. All it needs is just one small bomb blast somewhere which will be highlighted by India media and would form the basis of the refusal of visit.
 
Lets then compare the revenue of Ranji trophy with IPL.

Ranji Trophy should have higher revenue numbers because it only has ALL "Indian stars". No?

Fact of the matter is, IPL relies only and only on white players.

Remove the white players from IPL and then see? I think it will also hit the fair n lovely sale numbers in India.

White players and white cheerleaders. :inti
 
The goal is to reduce contact and relations with Pakistan to bare minimum.

You don't need pakistan to draw crowds in India.

If India misses the 2025 CT they will also not receive the revenue share from that tournament. If pakistan refuses to go to India they will not receive revenue from 3 tournaments. Thats nearly 40 per cent of the revenue share. Good luck to PCB to recoup that loss.

If Modi is in power and he allows the team to travel to Pakistan, under whatever excuse, the media and opposition will eat him.

To me this is a 60-40 thing and a lot will depend on the circumstances prevailing just prior to that event. If there is a major event in India, forget about the team going to Pakistan.

The actual goal is to show hypocrisy as much as we can when it comes to cricket with Pakistan.

And why will media eat Modi if he allows the team to travel to Pakistan? How many news channels dare to go against Modi in India? :inti
 
The actual goal is to show hypocrisy as much as we can when it comes to cricket with Pakistan.

And why will media eat Modi if he allows the team to travel to Pakistan? How many news channels dare to go against Modi in India? :inti

Leftist media and opposition is still targetting Modi for visiting Pakistan and attending Nawaz Sharif's daughters wedding. If he allows Indian cricket team to travel Pakistan, Pappu Gandhi and his chamchas will rip the govt apart. They will call him weak govt, compromising against Pakistan etc. Why would govt take any such risk just for a cricket tournament?
 
Leftist media and opposition is still targetting Modi for visiting Pakistan and attending Nawaz Sharif's daughters wedding. If he allows Indian cricket team to travel Pakistan, Pappu Gandhi and his chamchas will rip the govt apart. They will call him weak govt, compromising against Pakistan etc. Why would govt take any such risk just for a cricket tournament?

Most of the India vs Pakistan bilateral cricket happened when Congress was in power so why will they oppose it? :inti
 
Most of the India vs Pakistan bilateral cricket happened when Congress was in power so why will they oppose it? :inti

The point is about travelling to Pakistan. Did Indian team travelled Pakistan under Congress after 26/11 attacks? If anything, Manmohan Singh govt stopped all cricket ties with Pakistan after Mumbai attacks bcoz it was too incompetent to take any diplomatic steps.

Yes 2012 series happened but it was Pak who toured India. I dont think even present govt will have much issue if Pak team comes to India for a bilateral series. But dont think Pak will be ready to come to India as we owe a series to them for that 2012 tour.

One thing for sure, Indian team wont tour Pakistan. No ifs and buts on it unfortunately.
 
The International Cricket Council is confident that teams will have no reservations travelling to Pakistan for the 2025 Champions Trophy despite over a decade-long scepticism about playing in that part of the world. The ICC last week awarded the hosting rights of the 2025 Champions Trophy to Pakistan. It will mark the return of major cricketing event to Pakistan after more than two decades. The last time Pakistan had an ICC event on its soil was when it co-hosted the 1996 World Cup along with India and Sri Lanka. It has not been able to host many international games in the country since the 2009 terrorist attack on Sri Lankan team bus in Lahore.

"The answer is, from what we can see so far, absolutely (teams will travel)," ICC chair Greg Barclay said replying to PTI's query during a media roundtable.

"ICC cricket event is coming back to Pakistan after many years. All of it with the exception of what happened in the last few weeks has gone ahead without any any issues at all," added Barclay, who was joined by ICC CEO Geoff Allardice.

In September, New Zealand and England had pulled out of their bilateral tours to Pakistan due to security concerns. Barclay insisted that the governing body wouldn't have awarded the hosting rights to Pakistan if it wasn't confident of the event going ahead successfully.

"So, we wouldn't have awarded the event if we didn't think the Pakistan were capable of hosting it. "We think it's an exciting opportunity, a prospect for them to be able to host a world's event for the first time for a period of quite a period of time."

"It's not until 2025 and I'm sure that they will, as all countries are required to do, put together the appropriate security plans and assurances to ensure that they can been as delivered.

"So yes, we were comfortable and confident that we'll go ahead," Barclay added.

India's participation in the tournament remains a doubt as no bilateral cricket has taken place between the two neighbours since 2012 due to diplomatic tensions after terror attacks in India.

Sports Minister Anurag Thakur last week said that a decision on India's participation in the Champions Trophy will be taken when the time comes as there are still security issues for international teams to tour the neighbouring country.

Barclay acknowledged that it will be a challenging issue to work through and hoped that cricket could bring improvement in the relations between the two neighbours.

"We know that it is particularly challenging issue to work through. I mean, from my point of view, I can't control geopolitical forces are working on what we do.

"But I just hope that cricket can be forced to perhaps help improve relationships between them.

"One of the great things that sport can do is to help to bring people in nations together. So, if we can do something and in a small way to contribute to that, then that's fantastic," he added.

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/hop...-in-2025-champions-trophy-in-pakistan-2620550
 
They'll definitely not tour in 2023, but the 2025 Champions Trophy is a real possibility. Less of a chance they'd skip a proper ICC event, the one they're most successful in, and 4 years is a long time.
 
Considering NZ just pulled out due to security I dont see us hosting an ICC event in just 3 years.
Most likely its gonna be in UAE.
 
I think they will. Politically India v Pakistan is a no go, but we still play in ICC events, we don't boycott, do we? So I don't see why BCCI will sit out 2 important tournaments just because it's in Pakistan.

Moreover if both events are cleared to go ahead with good security, I really doubt Indian cricketers will mind, they share a great rapport with Pakistani team and I am sure they will be well received by fans there too.
 
They'll definitely not tour in 2023, but the 2025 Champions Trophy is a real possibility. Less of a chance they'd skip a proper ICC event, the one they're most successful in, and 4 years is a long time.

If at all BCCI had concern about Asia Cup being held in Pakistan, the resolution wouldn't have been passed in ACC, which is currently headed by Jay Shah, who's also running the show for BCCI and not Ganguly, who's merely a front.
 
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