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Asia Cup 2025: India vs Pakistan | Final | Dubai | September 28 | Pre-Match Discussion

Prince of Dorne said:
So far Abhishek used the crease to perfection to negate whatever Shaheen had to offer. Shaheen has become predictable and lack variations, I am actually a little worried about Rauf, he has that ability to unsettle even the best bats through sheer pace.
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pak’s bowling depth is such that we may chose to NOT bowl the ‘best spinner in the world’ depending on the game. Ind won’t know what hit them.
 
Only hope for Pakistan is ABhishek mishitting one like he did a couple of times. One against Asalanka long hop other one against Abrar long hop. May be they should try long hop.
 
Indians are even more arrogant than before the CT final, which makes this game very interesting.

This Pakistan team literally has nothing to lose, majority of Indian fans believe the final is already won.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Indians are even more arrogant than before the CT final, which makes this game very interesting.

This Pakistan team literally has nothing to lose, majority of Indian fans believe the final is already won.
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You were arrogant against Srilanka in 2022 Asia cup final lol You know what happened right?
 
At a certain level, you've got to admire the Pakistanis. Especially folks like that Glory guy. They've been thrashed again and again for years and yet they come into every game with renewed enthusiasm and innocent confidence that this is the time their bunch of plucky misfits are going to do it.

This time they're up against possibly the greatest T20 team in history or if not, certainly the one with the most incredible record but the sweet belief that their jazba and junoon can overcome is still there.

I wouldn't have it any other way to be honest. If they were the Bangladeshis who also have a chip on their shoulder about us and want desperately to beat India but go into every game expecting to lose, it wouldn't be half as fun.

Most others would've despaired years ago but these guys just keep going and making the games fun. I do hope they win the odd game to continue the energy. Just not this one!
 
Usman Chadda said:
We had just lost a Super Four game to Sri Lanka, so I doubt any of us here were arrogant.

Indian arrogance is insane this time, way more than the CT final.
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Dude you are always arrogant against teams like BD, Afghanistan, Srilanka. People predict based on how these teams have been doing well. INdia has entered conseuctive multi national tournaments without dropping a game and won 2. So expecting them to beat pakistan easily is not arrogance. Betting odds say India has 80% chance. Go to any betting website and check the odds. Projection based on certain metrics, recent form. If the name is Australia instead of India with same odds and if Australian is confident you won't call that arrogance.
 
Usman Chadda said:
We had just lost a Super Four game to Sri Lanka, so I doubt any of us here were arrogant.

Indian arrogance is insane this time, way more than the CT final.
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We are fans of the world champion team and moreover, we have won 35 out of 38 matches. So Little bit arrogance suits us

But why are the supporters of the losser Team showing arrogance when they have already been defeated by India twice in this tournament.

:klopp :kp
 
Devadwal said:
We are fans of the world champion team and moreover, we have won 35 out of 38 matches. So Little bit arrogance suits us

But why are the supporters of the losser Team showing arrogance when they have already been defeated by India twice in this tournament.

:klopp :kp
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Those tears are gonna be tasty on Sunday. The tears of people who support a mass murderer.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
You keep mentioning Amir and Kohli, but what excuse do you have for Babar’s tweet for Kohli?
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It was unnecessary, but not embarrassing because Kohli responded.

Amir’s Kohli fandom is both unnecessary and embarrassing because Kohli has never responded to any of his social media posts.
 
I think this was the last time IND took a absolute beating from Alex Hales and Jos Butler. IND changed their T20 setup after that.
 
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Winning 2 games and then losing the final to the same team, will be hilarious :wenger

Their captain something something Kumar dug this team’s own grave with his stupid comments after the win, now pressure is on him and his team. No Indian captain has been as classless as him so far.

Pakistan has this in the bag In Sha Allah.
 
BDfanforever said:
I think this was the last time IND took a absolute beating from Alex Hales and Jos Butler. IND changed their T20 setup after that.
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India played timidly. But having said that batting second is easier at Adelaide oval. Even Bangladesh almost pulled it off but for Litton Das run out at the same venue. Short side boundaries. That was a rubbish England attack. Pandya showed how to play on that track. Rohit despite being such a gifted six hitter took a long time before adopting the approach.
 
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If it's going to be the same kind and if India wins the toss, they should bat first..Pak like Bangladesh are also mental midgets and they will panic once the score hits 180...If India corrects their mistakes in bowling, they can easily defend it..
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Entire pakistan think tank will be chanting the name "Abhishek abhishek" all day tomorrow lol They will come fully prepared and Tilak is going to come out of syllabus. Every single batsman has atleast a T20 century in the top 5.
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There are no world class batsmen in that lineup. Talented youngsters yes but like us no WC batsmen. Basically will be who crumbles.
 
Surya’s right—there really isn’t any rivalry left at this point. We Pakistanis are pretty used to losing to India by now, so it’s just another game for us. For India though, they’re like 99.99% favorites going into this one. Everyone expects them to win just by playing their usual game.


For Pakistan to pull this off, someone will have to play an absolutely exceptional innings, and we’ll need a standout spell of bowling too. India’s after the first win, plus all the political press conferences and dramatic tweets have added to the hype. If Pakistan somehow sneaks a win, things are going to get crazy.


I don’t think it’ll be as one-sided as the last two matches—that much I’m sure of. We’re ready to face another loss if it happens, but are the Indians ready if, after all the dominance and drama, things don’t go their way?
 
Inswing said:
Surya’s right—there really isn’t any rivalry left at this point. We Pakistanis are pretty used to losing to India by now, so it’s just another game for us. For India though, they’re like 99.99% favorites going into this one. Everyone expects them to win just by playing their usual game.


For Pakistan to pull this off, someone will have to play an absolutely exceptional innings, and we’ll need a standout spell of bowling too. India’s after the first win, plus all the political press conferences and dramatic tweets have added to the hype. If Pakistan somehow sneaks a win, things are going to get crazy.


I don’t think it’ll be as one-sided as the last two matches—that much I’m sure of. We’re ready to face another loss if it happens, but are the Indians ready if, after all the dominance and drama, things don’t go their way?
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Finally, some practical post by a Pak fan. Yes, things can go wrong. After all, Oman was 134/1 at one point against India. SL almost pulled it off today. Things can go badly in this format. Because T20 cricket is all about quick decision-making. Anyone can have an error in judgment, which something opposition can capitalize on. Be it is shot selection or bowling strategy. Things can quickly escalate against you, even against poor teams. Many big teams have lost to small teams. In 2022, England lost to Ireland and went on to win the tournament. SL lost to Namebia and went on to qualify for the next round. IN the same edition, Zimbabwe beat Pakistan, and the Netherlands beat SA. Indian middle order has been scratchy. There are some vulnerability in the INdian line up. Besides Indian line up is inexperienced despite amazing consistency. Not sure how they will react under pressure.
 
JaDed said:
It’s Gill who has performed well against SSA..
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:shh They've all been focusing on some law of averages with Sharma. Let's not remind them of the biggest surprise. Effeminate Gill. Sharma's underestimated opening partner who on occasion has taken the lead role earlyon in the partnership before Sharma has exploded.
 
pillionrider said:
:shh They've all been focusing on some law of averages with Sharma. Let's not remind them of the biggest surprise. Effeminate Gill. Sharma's underestimated opening partner who on occasion has taken the lead role earlyon in the partnership before Sharma has exploded.
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If only INdia has not experimented with batting order every match 2 or 3 more guys would have found the touch again.
 
Bangla or SL would have offered a much better challenge in the finals.
This is gonna be another whopping of epic proportions and Pakistan will be back to making reels of celebrations and sixes on SM:dw
 
Suleiman said:
Winning 2 games and then losing the final to the same team, will be hilarious :wenger

Their captain something something Kumar dug this team’s own grave with his stupid comments after the win, now pressure is on him and his team. No Indian captain has been as classless as him so far.

Pakistan has this in the bag In Sha Allah.
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Surya can make such comments because he knows his team will smack the living hell out of Pakistan team every single time they meet.
 
Suleiman said:
Winning 2 games and then losing the final to the same team, will be hilarious :wenger

Their captain something something Kumar dug this team’s own grave with his stupid comments after the win, now pressure is on him and his team. No Indian captain has been as classless as him so far.

Pakistan has this in the bag In Sha Allah.
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True.

Pakistan with their humble players full of humility and respect for others are the better men here.
 
pillionrider said:
Had similar thoughts on this.

CT'17 had similar behaviour but from the outside. The Bollywood losers were on the bandwagon talking really crass and wishing Father's Day etc. It was overkill and not funny. You could see the team which had dominated the tournament were under pressure. I remember seeing Kohli in the tunnel looking severely stressed and closing his eyes and I got this sinking feeling that we could lose (it was a sinking feeling cuz, in theory, at the time, there was no reason for Pak to beat us) And then we got hammered.

This is similarly setting up the Indian team under extreme pressure. What happens if we lose the final assuming both teams make it. How much of an insult will the defeat be to the the victims then?
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The above were my thoughts in the handshake thread. So yeah, I agree that the team set up extreme pressure for themselves.

Suleiman said:
Winning 2 games and then losing the final to the same team, will be hilarious :wenger

Their captain something something Kumar dug this team’s own grave with his stupid comments after the win, now pressure is on him and his team. No Indian captain has been as classless as him so far.

Pakistan has this in the bag In Sha Allah.
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But just because something could be funny or justice served in the minds of Pak fans, doesn't mean it's going to happen.

There is a possibility yes.

But a lot of Pak fans seem to think:
That would be amazing.
It's a final.
We lost twice so we are due a win.
CT17 also same same.
Those are not logical conclusions to draw :jimmy

This is the current T20 WC champion. They can fumble and Pak are good enough to catch that fumble. Sure. But I'm a little more confident after watching the last game vs SL :dhoni
 
Inswing said:
Surya’s right—there really isn’t any rivalry left at this point. We Pakistanis are pretty used to losing to India by now, so it’s just another game for us. For India though, they’re like 99.99% favorites going into this one. Everyone expects them to win just by playing their usual game.


For Pakistan to pull this off, someone will have to play an absolutely exceptional innings, and we’ll need a standout spell of bowling too. India’s after the first win, plus all the political press conferences and dramatic tweets have added to the hype. If Pakistan somehow sneaks a win, things are going to get crazy.


I don’t think it’ll be as one-sided as the last two matches—that much I’m sure of. We’re ready to face another loss if it happens, but are the Indians ready if, after all the dominance and drama, things don’t go their way?
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TBH, no Indians are ready to face any loss to Pakistan at this juncture and after how Pak behaved in the last match... everyone knows, it's a sport, anything can happen any day, one loss to a match don't define the quality the team India is, still T20 WC hold weightage,..etc..but as much as mind accept the facts, the heart wont accept it easily..but these things need to be left for later..for now as an Indian fan, primary job is support my team to the fullest and be positive for the better result for us .
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Tilak Varma appears to be most sound Indian batter not Abhishek....they need to work on him as next big batter
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I agree. Similarly, I think Hussain Talat is the greatest batting talent out of Pakistan.

They should work on him instead of tullas like Hassan, Saim , Sahibzada etc
 
Nikhil_cric said:
I agree. Similarly, I think Hussain Talat is the greatest batting talent out of Pakistan.

They should work on him instead of tullas like Hassan, Saim , Sahibzada etc
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I'm hearing Pandya is injured , what happened to him ?

There is no replacement of Pandya so hopefully he will be fit for final.

:kp
 
Devadwal said:
I'm hearing Pandya is injured , what happened to him ?

There is no replacement of Pandya so hopefully he will be fit for final.

:kp
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If Pandya doesnt play then they will have to play a pure batter in his position and keep Arshdeep in the xi instead of Dube.

So

Abhishek
Gill
SKy
Tilak
Samson
Rinku
Axar
Kuldeep
Varun
Bumrah
Arshdeeep

Lacks depth to be honest but Dube cant be banked to bowl hardiks overs so he is a risky pick
 
Nikhil_cric said:
I agree. Similarly, I think Hussain Talat is the greatest batting talent out of Pakistan.

They should work on him instead of tullas like Hassan, Saim , Sahibzada etc
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I used to think like that too in 2016 but than I looked at his scoring areas and realized how talentless he is. Talat is the most mediocre batsman in this current lot. Even Khushdil is better.
 
It will be the game we all have been waiting for... Even though indians were doing bhangra before the even started about the boycott, this bla bla and here we are.. Seeing them jumping up and down after playing Pakistan for the third time in the span of 3 weeks...LOL

India will win again though...99-1 in favor of india atm...
 
It will be a good idea to promote Shaheen up the order if situation permits. Lets suppose we are 70-1 after 8 overs and a wicket falls, Shaheen can be sent in to use his slog sweeps against spinners. It will be great if it works but we won't lose much if he fails.
 
I saw highlights of Arshdeep's bowling against SL as he was being hyped as best bowler or whatever.

Looked mediocre with the new ball with pace in low 130s. At the death, his only ploy is to bowl wide yorkers with decent execution. He is a smart bowler but he can be countered by a smart batsman who can move around the crease. Srilankan batters weren't doing that for some reason.

Unless he starts bowling above 140 kph, I don't see him surviving for long in T20Is.

Harshit has a good action and pace but lacks bowling IQ.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Pakistan v India in tournament finals:

Pakistan 8-4 India

1985 Benson & Hedges World Championship: India won by 8 wickets
1986 Austral-Asia Cup: Pakistan won by 1 wicket
1991 Wills Trophy: Pakistan won by 72 runs
1994 Austral-Asia Cup: Pakistan won by 39 runs
1998 Silver Jubilee Cup: India won best of 3 series 2-1
1999 Pepsi Cup: Pakistan won by 123 runs
1999 Coca Cola Cup: Pakistan won by 8 wickets
2007 World T20: India won by 5 runs
2008 Kiply Cup: Pakistan won by 25 runs
2017 Champions Trophy: Pakistan won by 180 runs
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I think some of these cups were played at Sharjah. No wonder India ran from there.:yk
 
Devadwal said:
I'm hearing Pandya is injured , what happened to him ?

There is no replacement of Pandya so hopefully he will be fit for final.

:kp
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To be assessed today. It's why he bowled only 1 over.

If he is injured, they'll replace Rana and Pandya with Arshdeep and Dube from this match. No other option
 
Nikhil_cric said:
To be assessed today. It's why he bowled only 1 over.

If he is injured, they'll replace Rana and Pandya with Arshdeep and Dube from this match. No other option
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May be better to get washi in place of varun too.pandyas batting has to be replaced.we cant go with 7 batsmen
 
kron said:
Dont think so
It’s war out there

But its only Asia cup anyway

8-2
Embarrassing for Pakistan tbh even with their so called golden team in 90s
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Yes embarrasing stats

Mainly because of weak batting and inability to handle pressure. The two W’s and actor also underperformed in some of these games
 
Greenstorm said:
I saw highlights of Arshdeep's bowling against SL as he was being hyped as best bowler or whatever.

Looked mediocre with the new ball with pace in low 130s. At the death, his only ploy is to bowl wide yorkers with decent execution. He is a smart bowler but he can be countered by a smart batsman who can move around the crease. Srilankan batters weren't doing that for some reason.

Unless he starts bowling above 140 kph, I don't see him surviving for long in T20Is.

Harshit has a good action and pace but lacks bowling IQ.
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Yes ofcourse the highly intelligent and high iq smart Pakistani batsmen are going to smoke Arshdeep.
 
sweep_shot said:
Why? :inti

Shaheen is generally at his best during first overs.

What if Faheem goes for 10-15? That can set the tone. Better to bowl Shaheen maybe.
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Shaheen is struggling against Abhishek. I thought Faheem might bowl a steady first over.
 
kron said:
Yea no they weren’t at full strength
I repeat australia still never has beaten full strength India in any icc event since 2015.

Same applies to ingerland and nz
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Yeah. Let's agree to disagree. I don't think India had any chance batting first.
 
kron said:
No chance

Stats back that too.

India wins that easy. With them two playing
Like easy

Like super easy. Easy peasy easy.
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No way. That black soil pitch in Ahmedabad is slow under the sun but turns into a batting paradise under lights

India lost that game at the toss
 
GoogleToggle said:
Surya can make such comments because he knows his team will smack the living hell out of Pakistan team every single time they meet.
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We remeber the talk Indians had before CT final and Pak humiliated India in the only major tournament final both ever played. India is not invincible and likes of Rohit and Kholi are not there, other than Gill all other will be walking wickets if Pak bowls smart.

SL trashed your bowlers today and so did the Pakistani batsmen in Oman :) so don't get carried away, actually I take that back do get carried away.... That's when India loses and feels the sweetest. 23 ODI wc final comes to mind how ghamaand of billion Indians was shattered into billion pieces when Australia defeated India in front of 100k Indians
 
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