Will Khalistan ever get its independence?

[cricketjoshila]

Hope he enjoys his time in jail.

Jailed in Assam....

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Would have been a smash hit with the ladies if he had took the money route. Or India's growing gay community, let's be fair.

 

[Hitman]

Jailed in Assam....

Yes, in Dibrugarh.

 

[daytrader]

2 blasts rock Amritsar’s Golden Temple within 36 hours

AMRITSAR: A second blast in 36 hours rocked the area around the Sikh holy site of the Golden Temple in India’s Amritsar city on Monday, police said.

Authorities said that one person was injured.

The previous blast late on Saturday night, which police said they were still investigating, also left at least one person wounded in the city, in the Sikh-majority northern state of Punjab.

Punjab’s director general of police said a terrorism angle had not been ruled out, and preliminary investigations suggested a crude device had been us*ed.

“Blast occurred when a thread was pulled accidentally by a passerby,” said Gaurav Yadav. “The container fell down and it went off.” The Golden Temple — a gleaming edifice in a large artificial pond — is revered by Sikhs the world over.

But it has been the scene of violence in the past, most notably when Indian special forces stormed it in 1984 to remove Sikh militants.

Devotees told AFP that officials arrived soon after the early morning blast on Monday — when hundreds of people would have been at the shrine — to collect forensic samples.

“Such happenings are creating panic,” said worshipper Jasbir Singh Patti, who visits the temple daily.

“It is time for the police administration to act swiftly to present the truth before the public.” Several windows cracked in the blast in the same area on Saturday — a day when around 200,000 people typically visit the site.

In March, a manhunt was launched in Punjab to arrest a firebrand Sikh separatist that sparked protests and vandalism among the diaspora.

It was unclear if the latest blasts were linked.

Thousands of officers were deployed in the northern state and mobile internet was cut off for days in the effort to locate Amritpal Singh, 30, who was arrested last month.

Singh rose to prominence calling for a separate Sikh homeland known as Khalistan, the struggle for which sparked deadly violence in India in the 1980s and 1990s.

DAWN

 

[SpiritOf1903]

It will come at the expense of Pakistan. Why is Pakistan building a sikh fortress inside its land when the last sikh occupation ravaged what became Pakistan before Britain emancipated the region.

 

[Hitman]

Canada-based pro-Khalistan leader Nijjar shot dead

Canada-based pro-Khalistan leader Hardeep Singh Nijjar was shot dead at the Guru Nanak Sikh Gurdwara in the Punjabi-dominated Surrey city of British Columbia province.

He was the president of Guru Nanak Sikh Gurdwara in Surrey.

Nijjar was associated with the separatist organisation, Sikhs for Justice (SFJ), which is banned in India.

He had played a key role in organising the Khalistan referendum in Brampton city.

The National Investigation Agency had earlier filed a charge sheet against Nijjar for allegedly conspiring to carry out terror attacks.

India had asked Canadian authorities to take action against Nijjar for his alleged involvement in terrorist acts in Punjab.

Link: https://www.thestatesman.com/india/...istan-leader-nijjar-shot-dead-1503191555.html

 

[Romali_rotti]

I dunno whether Khalistan will get independence in either Canada or the UK.

But

The minute you start doing stupid shi* like vandalize temples and Indian embassies overseas, RAW will come for you, they will find you and kill you..

2 sikh khalishani leaders now, 1 in the UK and 1 in Canada are dead, looks like they been turned into Chaapathi and Dhaal Punjabi style and eaten.

 

[gani999]

I dunno whether Khalistan will get independence in either Canada or the UK.

But

The minute you start doing stupid shi* like vandalize temples and Indian embassies overseas, RAW will come for you, they will find you and kill you..

2 sikh khalishani leaders now, 1 in the UK and 1 in Canada are dead, looks like they been turned into Chaapathi and Dhaal Punjabi style and eaten.

Three. One was shot dead in Lahore recently as well.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Three. One was shot dead in Lahore recently as well.

Well 3 down then.

lol

Khalistan aka Empty land

 

[Major]

I dunno whether Khalistan will get independence in either Canada or the UK.

But

The minute you start doing stupid shi* like vandalize temples and Indian embassies overseas, RAW will come for you, they will find you and kill you..

2 sikh khalishani leaders now, 1 in the UK and 1 in Canada are dead, looks like they been turned into Chaapathi and Dhaal Punjabi style and eaten.

so you admit RAW is involved in killing people

 

[IAJ]

I dunno whether Khalistan will get independence in either Canada or the UK.

But

The minute you start doing stupid shi* like vandalize temples and Indian embassies overseas, RAW will come for you, they will find you and kill you..

2 sikh khalishani leaders now, 1 in the UK and 1 in Canada are dead, looks like they been turned into Chaapathi and Dhaal Punjabi style and eaten.

Lol RAW

RAW or not RAW, innocent people will die in revenge actions.

 

[JaDed]

so you admit RAW is involved in killing people

His admission means nothing, Punjabi gangsters have always been an issue in BC for atleast 3 decades now , and so many of these guys peddle drugs as well.

Even in his normal pics you can see he was high as hell.

 

[Major]

His admission means nothing, Punjabi gangsters have always been an issue in BC for atleast 3 decades now , and so many of these guys peddle drugs as well.

Even in his normal pics you can see he was high as hell.

an indian himself is saying that Raw kills people, i think his admission does mean a thing

 

[Hitman]

an indian himself is saying that Raw kills people, i think his admission does mean a thing

What if I suddenly claim that Beant Singh murdered Indira Gandhi under the orders of the ISI. Will that mean a thing?

 

[Major]

What if I suddenly claim that Beant Singh murdered Indira Gandhi under the orders of the ISI. Will that mean a thing?

I think you miss read.

AN INDIAN HAS ADMITTED RAW kills people.

Indian and Raw.

You are indian, but ISI is Pakistani, so your claims mean nothing.

But that poster is Indian and has admitted that RAW is involved in killing people

 

[Hitman]

I think you miss read.

AN INDIAN HAS ADMITTED RAW kills people.

Indian and Raw.

You are indian, but ISI is Pakistani, so your claims mean nothing.

But that poster is Indian and has admitted that RAW is involved in killing people

He is not an Indian, he is an Australian holding an Australian passport.

 

[Major]

He is not an Indian, he is an Australian holding an Australian passport.

Does he not belong from India? Good to know he has admitted that RAW kills people.

 

[Devadwal]

Does he not belong from India? Good to know he has admitted that RAW kills people.

Are you try to be like a saint. RAW were killed Those basterd terrorist .

 

[Major]

Are you try to be like a saint. RAW were killed Those basterd terrorist .

so the research wing of India is acting as a Vigilante group.. Good to know Indians are admitting to this

 

[Devadwal]

so the research wing of India is acting as a Vigilante group.. Good to know Indians are admitting to this

Anyone can killed terrorist who has Bounty of 10 lakh on his head. Even i can killed if i had any apportunity .

 

[Major]

Anyone can killed terrorist who has Bounty of 10 lakh on his head. Even i can killed if i had any apportunity .

plz type properly, thanks

 

[Romali_rotti]

so you admit RAW is involved in killing people

Yes, I believe RAW did conduct the execution, Mossad style, similar to how they hunt the Nazis down.

It's no surprise, Mossad and RAW work very closely with each other...

 

[Romali_rotti]

He is not an Indian, he is an Australian holding an Australian passport.

Actually I am an OCI...

 

[Major]

Yes, I believe RAW did conduct the execution, Mossad style, similar to how they hunt the Nazis down.

It's no surprise, Mossad and RAW work very closely with each other...

Actually I am an OCI...

thank you for admitting this.

and thank you for clearing that you are an OCI, funny how [MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] tried to speak for others

 

[Romali_rotti]

thank you for admitting this.

and thank you for clearing that you are an OCI, funny how [MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] tried to speak for others

He is partly correct, I do not have an Indian passport..

If only I had the privileges of an NRI like Puppu, heard he has a European and an Indian passport

:

 

[SpiritOf1903]

His admission means nothing, Punjabi gangsters have always been an issue in BC for atleast 3 decades now , and so many of these guys peddle drugs as well.

Even in his normal pics you can see he was high as hell.

Strangely none in UK. Very few get caught

 

[TSA321]

Strangely none in UK. Very few get caught

They're in USA though .
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...sted-california-sikh-community-shoo-rcna80159

 

[gani999]

He is partly correct, I do not have an Indian passport..

If only I had the privileges of an NRI like Puppu, heard he has a European and an Indian passport

:

Having a valid Indian passport alongside one from any other country at the same time is strictly illegal, as per Indian law.
RaGa's exact passport status has been questioned many times. Why doesn't he come clear?

 

[Romali_rotti]

Having a valid Indian passport alongside one from any other country at the same time is strictly illegal, as per Indian law.
RaGa's exact passport status has been questioned many times. Why doesn't he come clear?

To be fair, I think Puppu is harmless, him having another passport may very well be true but those are minor things in my opinion.

The real wicked witch is my ammayi Sonya who has been looting billions from India and dumping it into her Swiss bank accounts, unbelievable how she has so many clowns bending over backwards and accepting her as their leader..

Well British have left now Italians can rule India and Indians

 

[WicketLord]

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, asked if Khalistan extremism and "foreign interference" was discussed at G20, today said he discussed both issues with Prime Minister Narendra Modi multiple times "over the years".
"Canada will always defend freedom of expression, freedom of conscience, and freedom of peaceful protest and it is extremely important to us. At the same time, we are always there to prevent violence and push back against hatred," he told reporters during an interaction.

"I think on the issue of the community, it is important to remember that the actions of the few do not represent the entire community or Canada. The flip side of it, we also highlighted the importance of respecting the rule of law and we did talk about foreign interference," he added.

 

[PakLFC]

If Sikh's want Khalistan then fight for it from Indian Punjab. It is not going to be formed sitting in Canada or the UK. Another thing is that most Sikh's seem happy enough being Indian's from what I am seeing. It is only the ones sitting abroad that keep raving about Khalistan. When Jinnah saheb was writing letters to Allama Iqbal from London he was told to come and speak from British India if he wanted a Pakistan. The rest is history.

 

[rhony]

Khalistan has always been a pipe dream. There just isn't any substantial movement in Indian Punjab. Now that Kashmir is settled, Khalistan is the only way for GOI to pin ISI and GOP. So the issue will continue on foreign lands with no subsequent progress.

 

[Bhaijaan]

The only thing Khalistanis living in UK , Canada, Australia will get is a big boot in their behinds and a blacklisted passport. Can bark all they like on foreign land protected by soft governments. Come to Indian Punjab and talk.

These pathetic people. The things they do, honestly even Kashmiris and Pakistanis never do that. They burn flag of Bharat, they beat our flag with sticks and shoes, they dared to attack Red Fort. These Khalistanis are rightfully being crushed by RAW.

 

[PakLFC]

Khalistan has always been a pipe dream. There just isn't any substantial movement in Indian Punjab. Now that Kashmir is settled, Khalistan is the only way for GOI to pin ISI and GOP. So the issue will continue on foreign lands with no subsequent progress.

If Kashmir was "settled" you wouldn't have thousands of Indian troops in IoK. Normality is when soldiers are not occupying a people or land. For Sikh independence to become a reality there needs to be manpower behind the movement. There are only about 26 million Sikh's in the world to begin with. Even if half of them want independence it is too few unless some external power gets involved. There is no reason why Pak should get involved seeing all the Muslim-Sikh bloodshed that occurred during 1947. Sikh independence is only possible if another major Pak-India or even China-India war takes place. I would not completely rule this out.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Yeah I believe Khalistan will get independence.

In the near future there will be a state in Canada that will be call Khalistan..

 

[PakLFC]

Yeah I believe Khalistan will get independence.

In the near future there will be a state in Canada that will be call Khalistan..

Modi will not hesitate to do another 1984 on the Sikh's if need be. We know Amritpal Singh was taken care off good and well. His followers have suddenly disappeared now as well as expected. All this Sikh bravado only looks good in films even then it is simply to keep them sweet and happy. In reality even though this Sikh movement began decades back it isn't getting anywhere.

 

[rhony]

If Kashmir was "settled" you wouldn't have thousands of Indian troops in IoK. Normality is when soldiers are not occupying a people or land. For Sikh independence to become a reality there needs to be manpower behind the movement. There are only about 26 million Sikh's in the world to begin with. Even if half of them want independence it is too few unless some external power gets involved. There is no reason why Pak should get involved seeing all the Muslim-Sikh bloodshed that occurred during 1947. Sikh independence is only possible if another major Pak-India or even China-India war takes place. I would not completely rule this out.

There is army in the north eastern states too and the army will always be there in Kashmir because it shares borders with two countries. There will always be inflitrations here and there in Kashmir and North east. That's within acceptable parameters. As far as Khalistan goes, there is absolutely no movement in India. As long as that status quo is maintained, it's not a threat. I believe Indian state can make life harder for Khalistani backers overseas by attacking it's own Hindu temples and embassies. A few attacks against Hindus can be arranged easily as well. A few Khalistani leaders can be assassinated. All of these are already in progress and turn this into a violent movement instead of non violent. Things will get better.

 

[PakLFC]

There is army in the north eastern states too and the army will always be there in Kashmir because it shares borders with two countries. There will always be inflitrations here and there in Kashmir and North east. That's within acceptable parameters. As far as Khalistan goes, there is absolutely no movement in India. As long as that status quo is maintained, it's not a threat. I believe Indian state can make life harder for Khalistani backers overseas by attacking it's own Hindu temples and embassies. A few attacks against Hindus can be arranged easily as well. A few Khalistani leaders can be assassinated. All of these are already in progress and turn this into a violent movement instead of non violent. Things will get better.

No that won't do here. Your military is there because the Kashmiris do not want to be part of India and you know it. I agree that Khalistan supporters are few in India. Most of them are living abroad from where they conduct this dad movement. The Sikh's should have taken up Quaid Jinnah's offer during the time of independence. It is like how some Baloch may want independence from Pak but they are too few in numbers to ever make a real difference. Most Baloch sardar's also live abroad using their poor people to attack the Pak military like cowards.

 

[rhony]

No that won't do here. Your military is there because the Kashmiris do not want to be part of India and you know it. I agree that Khalistan supporters are few in India. Most of them are living abroad from where they conduct this dad movement. The Sikh's should have taken up Quaid Jinnah's offer during the time of independence. It is like how some Baloch may want independence from Pak but they are too few in numbers to ever make a real difference. Most Baloch sardar's also live abroad using their poor people to attack the Pak military like cowards.

Many kashmiris want to be independent. Some want to be part of either Pakistan or India. I think abrogation of 370, which they thought was a virtual shield gave them hope of some kind of autonomy even though it was watered down through the years. Once it was abrogated, the hope has died. Along with it, massive crackdown by GOI didn't help their cause. According to all estimates, close to ten thousand were jailed for months. Most of them were youth and they cracked. In the mean time, the rest were counselled. There are less than 100 terrorists in Kashmir now. That number is good for India too. It gives India the power and relevance to keep the troops on the ground and impose military laws. I think the last straw for kashmiris was the lack of international support and inability of Pakistan to muster any kind of momentum against India. More than a million domicile certificates were already given to non kashmiris and this will continue. In a couple of decades, things will be normal. There is no hurry.

 

[PakLFC]

Many kashmiris want to be independent. Some want to be part of either Pakistan or India. I think abrogation of 370, which they thought was a virtual shield gave them hope of some kind of autonomy even though it was watered down through the years. Once it was abrogated, the hope has died. Along with it, massive crackdown by GOI didn't help their cause. According to all estimates, close to ten thousand were jailed for months. Most of them were youth and they cracked. In the mean time, the rest were counselled. There are less than 100 terrorists in Kashmir now. That number is good for India too. It gives India the power and relevance to keep the troops on the ground and impose military laws. I think the last straw for kashmiris was the lack of international support and inability of Pakistan to muster any kind of momentum against India. More than a million domicile certificates were already given to non kashmiris and this will continue. In a couple of decades, things will be normal. There is no hurry.

Most Kashmiris want complete independence. There is plenty of hope for Kashmiris and no they have not given up. Remember how long it took India to get freedom from the Briitsh to put things in to perspective. Also there is the China factor as well that will effect this movement when the final China-India was occurs. There is no evidence to suggest that there are less then a 100 freedom fighters at all.....try at least a few thousand. Pak at the moment is not doing much due to it's internal situation that is not to say it'll be that way forever. Not a couple i fully expect Kashmir to be fully free by 2030. You can hold me on this.

 

[rickroll]

No that won't do here. Your military is there because the Kashmiris do not want to be part of India and you know it. I agree that Khalistan supporters are few in India. Most of them are living abroad from where they conduct this dad movement. The Sikh's should have taken up Quaid Jinnah's offer during the time of independence. It is like how some Baloch may want independence from Pak but they are too few in numbers to ever make a real difference. Most Baloch sardar's also live abroad using their poor people to attack the Pak military like cowards.

Agree with everything else but a big no thank you on the Sikhs taking up Quaid's offer. Given the bad history and centuries of animosity between Sikhs and Muslims, this would be an inevitable time bomb and even more sectarian violence in Pakistan assuming Sikhs had chosen to go with Pakistan instead of India. In essence even more long term headache for Pakistan.

 

[PakLFC]

Agree with everything else but a big no thank you on the Sikhs taking up Quaid's offer. Given the bad history and centuries of animosity between Sikhs and Muslims, this would be an inevitable time bomb and even more sectarian violence in Pakistan assuming Sikhs had chosen to go with Pakistan instead of India. In essence even more long term headache for Pakistan.

From my knowledge the Quaid suggested that Sikhs form their own country. He did not at all say that they should merge with Pakistan and neither do we want them to do so until this day. Another thing is that Sikh fundo's include Lahore as the capital of their mythical Khalistan. Some believe they can just takeover Delhi instead and rule the whole of India. All these are just cheap words, nothing more. Whenever they tell me that almost all of Pakistan was once part of their Sikh empire I remind them of the Mughal empire that ruled the Sikhs for centuries.

 

[rhony]

Most Kashmiris want complete independence. There is plenty of hope for Kashmiris and no they have not given up. Remember how long it took India to get freedom from the Briitsh to put things in to perspective. Also there is the China factor as well that will effect this movement when the final China-India was occurs. There is no evidence to suggest that there are less then a 100 freedom fighters at all.....try at least a few thousand. Pak at the moment is not doing much due to it's internal situation that is not to say it'll be that way forever. Not a couple i fully expect Kashmir to be fully free by 2030. You can hold me on this.

I like your optimism but it's not pragmatic. The only way is Up for India economically and China is precisely why India won't let go of Kashmir. A few thousand terrorists before 2019, yes. Most have been neutralized or have been turned into drug addicts. The stone peliting funding pathways have been eliminated. There is no tolerance anymore for any anti national activity. Now that BJP and India know there isn't going to be much international uproar, they will be do whatever they can to curb it. India was untenable for British after world war 2. Kashmir is the lifeline of Indian agriculture. So there's a lot of difference. Let's just say any Gandhi or Bhagath Singh wannabe in Kashmir will be on the way to Jannat the next day. There's just no room for freedom struggle.

 

[rickroll]

I like your optimism but it's not pragmatic. The only way is Up for India economically and China is precisely why India won't let go of Kashmir. A few thousand terrorists before 2019, yes. Most have been neutralized or have been turned into drug addicts. The stone peliting funding pathways have been eliminated. There is no tolerance anymore for any anti national activity. Now that BJP and India know there isn't going to be much international uproar, they will be do whatever they can to curb it. India was untenable for British after world war 2. Kashmir is the lifeline of Indian agriculture. So there's a lot of difference. Let's just say any Gandhi or Bhagath Singh wannabe in Kashmir will be on the way to Jannat the next day. There's just no room for freedom struggle.

Why is Kashmir is the lifeline of Indian agriculture? Access to water resources?

 

[PakLFC]

I like your optimism but it's not pragmatic. The only way is Up for India economically and China is precisely why India won't let go of Kashmir. A few thousand terrorists before 2019, yes. Most have been neutralized or have been turned into drug addicts. The stone peliting funding pathways have been eliminated. There is no tolerance anymore for any anti national activity. Now that BJP and India know there isn't going to be much international uproar, they will be do whatever they can to curb it. India was untenable for British after world war 2. Kashmir is the lifeline of Indian agriculture. So there's a lot of difference. Let's just say any Gandhi or Bhagath Singh wannabe in Kashmir will be on the way to Jannat the next day. There's just no room for freedom struggle.

I am a realist more then anything else. It is not a question of India letting go but being compelled to do so for it's own sake. If things are so brilliant then why does the Indian government not allow independent human rights groups to come and see for themselves?. Let them be the judge when they see all the unmarked graves of people that the Indian military murdered under the fallacy of "terrorism". This is a fight for freedom not terrorism as you call it. These unarmed innocent people have been murdered in thousands by the Indian military and you know it. Do you not know how Biden and even the UK among other human rights have been calling India out over it's shameful human rights not only in IoK but all over your country?. Yeah so it was due to the WW2 that the Brits had to leave the subcontinent. The same will happen when China who has already occupied much of your land are finished with India. The Indian Nazi inspired RSS controlled media just doesn't tell you all of this. The freedom fighters have already taken care of many Indian soldiers and will continue to do so. Let me also tell you that the terrorists BLA Indian RAW was supporting in Balochistan are also being taken care off the hard way. Agriculture lifeline or whatever else like it or not you're losing Kashmir sooner or later it is just a matter of time.

 

[PakLFC]

Why is Kashmir is the lifeline of Indian agriculture? Access to water resources?

He means IoK is India's death line not lifeline!

 

[PakLFC]

The fight for freedom continues yet Indian people say everything is normal in IoK. https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/2-s...g-encounter-4390735#pfrom=home-ndtv_topscroll

 

[PakLFC]

Khalistan and IoK are two different separatist movements that should not be confused. Simply put there is no UN resolution pending on Khalistan. It is India's internal issue that has nothing to do with any neiighbouring country. No Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iran or China lays claim to Indian Punjab.

 

[rhony]

I am a realist more then anything else. It is not a question of India letting go but being compelled to do so for it's own sake. If things are so brilliant then why does the Indian government not allow independent human rights groups to come and see for themselves?. Let them be the judge when they see all the unmarked graves of people that the Indian military murdered under the fallacy of "terrorism". This is a fight for freedom not terrorism as you call it. These unarmed innocent people have been murdered in thousands by the Indian military and you know it. Do you not know how Biden and even the UK among other human rights have been calling India out over it's shameful human rights not only in IoK but all over your country?. Yeah so it was due to the WW2 that the Brits had to leave the subcontinent. The same will happen when China who has already occupied much of your land are finished with India. The Indian Nazi inspired RSS controlled media just doesn't tell you all of this. The freedom fighters have already taken care of many Indian soldiers and will continue to do so. Let me also tell you that the terrorists BLA Indian RAW was supporting in Balochistan are also being taken care off the hard way. Agriculture lifeline or whatever else like it or not you're losing Kashmir sooner or later it is just a matter of time.

I understand emotions are high but I don't think you have the latest pulse. Biden laid out a red carpet for Modi recently in the US. Independent rights groups and human rights organizations are a joke. They have been made a joke by everyone not just India. Biden has been sacrificing Ukranians by the thousands. China changed the definition of Islam in Uighurland. China occupied disputed barrenlands in Ladakh and thats fine. India has the capacity to defend itself if they enter Indian territory. China infact doesn't have the guts to capture Taiwan yet so them waging a war for more barrenlands in Ladakh is pointless. Indian soldiers killed thousand of kashmiris and will kill thousands more if required. There will be no compromise on India's food security. Kashmiris know this.

But things have changed drastically in the last 3 years. A million non kashmiris, mostly Hindu ex army have been given domicile certificates in Kashmir. And there will be more and more every year. This is a game changer for elections and demographics. And there was absolutely no resistsnce from Kashmiris besides a few complaints. I don't care about Balochistan so not sure what's happening there. Good things are happening in Kashmir including infrastructure development, tourism and industry. Kashmiris have already seen death and starvation. Once they taste a bit of success, they will have too much to lose. That's the aim of the Indian state. It's not to destroy Kashmiris. The motto is "Enjoy the ride on India's economic success or meet your maker".

 

[Hitman]

The fight for freedom continues yet Indian people say everything is normal in IoK. https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/2-s...g-encounter-4390735#pfrom=home-ndtv_topscroll

Just a few more rotten apples left.

 

[PakLFC]

Just a few more rotten apples left.

Nice try! There are millions of them ready to rock your boat!. Let the human rights organisations come and see if all is good and well. Pak offered access to AJK but India chickened out. Nuff said!

 

[PakLFC]

I understand emotions are high but I don't think you have the latest pulse. Biden laid out a red carpet for Modi recently in the US. Independent rights groups and human rights organizations are a joke. They have been made a joke by everyone not just India. Biden has been sacrificing Ukranians by the thousands. China changed the definition of Islam in Uighurland. China occupied disputed barrenlands in Ladakh and thats fine. India has the capacity to defend itself if they enter Indian territory. China infact doesn't have the guts to capture Taiwan yet so them waging a war for more barrenlands in Ladakh is pointless. Indian soldiers killed thousand of kashmiris and will kill thousands more if required. There will be no compromise on India's food security. Kashmiris know this.

But things have changed drastically in the last 3 years. A million non kashmiris, mostly Hindu ex army have been given domicile certificates in Kashmir. And there will be more and more every year. This is a game changer for elections and demographics. And there was absolutely no resistsnce from Kashmiris besides a few complaints. I don't care about Balochistan so not sure what's happening there. Good things are happening in Kashmir including infrastructure development, tourism and industry. Kashmiris have already seen death and starvation. Once they taste a bit of success, they will have too much to lose. That's the aim of the Indian state. It's not to destroy Kashmiris. The motto is "Enjoy the ride on India's economic success or meet your maker".

These are two different things. The red carpet does not mean all is good and well with human rights in India. You know with the Indian economy doing well the American's need to take that in to consideration too. They also want to use India to checkmate the Chinese threat. Who has been made a joke of what?

Rahul Gandhi says "hello"! So what you are saying is that China is free to occupy your land! Next they will be sitting in Delhi then Modi will say "it's none of our business!" too! Big daddy the dragon is sitting on Indian land building villages so stop playing dumb here. You know full well what is happening. So you admit that India has killed thousands of innocent Kashmiris! Thanks for confirming this by the way they have killed many of your terrorists too. I don't have the exact number anymore then you do.

I bet you Kashmir will be free by 2030! Being given weird certificates does not mean millions of Hindu's have settled there! If there is no complaints from the Kashmiris then what is India afraid of when disallowing outsiders to visit?. The common Kashmiri is helpless but the freedom fighters are not! Now I can also predict the future that very soon India will attack AJK perhaps even occupying some of our land for a while! I predict this to happen this year afterwards a decisive war will begin. I suggest you read Pravin Sawhney's "The Last War" that is a real eye opener.

The only thing happening in IoK is mass murder and killing of innocent people so stop kidding yourself. You are gonna have to give it up eventually like it or not it is written in the stars!. As for Balochistan I care helluva lot about it. The reason I mentioned it is if you accuse Pak of meddling in IoK then India does the same in Balochistan, you get me??. Get ready to have your boat rocked and for a massive war! Not saying Pak won't suffer in this war either.....everyone will.

 

[rhony]

These are two different things. The red carpet does not mean all is good and well with human rights in India. You know with the Indian economy doing well the American's need to take that in to consideration too. They also want to use India to checkmate the Chinese threat. Who has been made a joke of what?

Rahul Gandhi says "hello"! So what you are saying is that China is free to occupy your land! Next they will be sitting in Delhi then Modi will say "it's none of our business!" too! Big daddy the dragon is sitting on Indian land building villages so stop playing dumb here. You know full well what is happening. So you admit that India has killed thousands of innocent Kashmiris! Thanks for confirming this by the way they have killed many of your terrorists too. I don't have the exact number anymore then you do.

I bet you Kashmir will be free by 2030! Being given weird certificates does not mean millions of Hindu's have settled there! If there is no complaints from the Kashmiris then what is India afraid of when disallowing outsiders to visit?. The common Kashmiri is helpless but the freedom fighters are not! Now I can also predict the future that very soon India will attack AJK perhaps even occupying some of our land for a while! I predict this to happen this year afterwards a decisive war will begin. I suggest you read Pravin Sawhney's "The Last War" that is a real eye opener.

The only thing happening in IoK is mass murder and killing of innocent people so stop kidding yourself. You are gonna have to give it up eventually like it or not it is written in the stars!. As for Balochistan I care helluva lot about it. The reason I mentioned it is if you accuse Pak of meddling in IoK then India does the same in Balochistan, you get me??. Get ready to have your boat rocked and for a massive war! Not saying Pak won't suffer in this war either.....everyone will.

Many have come to Kashmir in the last three years by the way. The only kashmiri with internet ban is on your side of Kashmir. Tourism is at record levels. Alliances are made based on economic power. Economic power is through growth. Capital flows to growth. Capital flows control politics. Simple really. When Modi abrogated 370, he declared to the world that he couldn't care less what everyone else thinks. He needed to convince Saudi and Americans and he did. The rest don't matter. Relations with these two nations are at a historical high. As far as human rights are concerned, they are just an eye wash. Modi will fight terror until the last kashmiri is alive if needed. Kashmiris know this and the rest of the world already knows it. As far as China goes, Indian army is capable of thwarting their advances. They can redraw maps and encroach disputed areas. These were occupied by India before and Indians have been pushed back. It's just a distraction. The real possible war is in South China sea and Taiwan against the americand. They will lose if it's a two frontal war so there will be a status quo. Forget 2030. There is just no catalyst anymore. It's settled.

 

[PakLFC]

Many have come to Kashmir in the last three years by the way. The only kashmiri with internet ban is on your side of Kashmir. Tourism is at record levels. Alliances are made based on economic power. Economic power is through growth. Capital flows to growth. Capital flows control politics. Simple really. When Modi abrogated 370, he declared to the world that he couldn't care less what everyone else thinks. He needed to convince Saudi and Americans and he did. The rest don't matter. Relations with these two nations are at a historical high. As far as human rights are concerned, they are just an eye wash. Modi will fight terror until the last kashmiri is alive if needed. Kashmiris know this and the rest of the world already knows it. As far as China goes, Indian army is capable of thwarting their advances. They can redraw maps and encroach disputed areas. These were occupied by India before and Indians have been pushed back. It's just a distraction. The real possible war is in South China sea and Taiwan against the americand. They will lose if it's a two frontal war so there will be a status quo. Forget 2030. There is just no catalyst anymore. It's settled.

So what if many have come to Kashmir? Many also travel to other war zones like Syria, Iraq, Palestine and Yemen too? I am afraid the truth about IoK is that it is under occupation say the Kashmiri people themselves where journalists and such people are banned from telling the truth. No amount of development you are telling me about can change that.Oh yes it does matter coz you guys dream of uniting Kashmir by taking our AJK too! The two Kashmir's are intertwined. The removal of article 370 does not mean there is peace in the valley when we all know what happened just a few days back! Ya see Pak understands the Saudi's and Americans will never condemn India's illegal occupation because of India's economy and business associated with it. That is not news that the world is al about money....this is not to say that IoK is not occupied when the people themselves say so.

Now you have no reason to cry when Indian terrorists are killed in IoK every day for they deserve it! Cry me a river why don't you for i have no sympathy for them! Modi is just getting himself in a bigger mess now with the situation with Canada the latest of his blunders. China will destroy your India within two weeks pal so you don't even want to go there! Modi is pretending to play dumb here like he is about the situation in Manipur and IoK! This is why Rahul Gandhi called him "Surrender Modi" for he has happily surrendered Indian land to the Chinese. The only thing settled is the impending break up of India by 2030. I guarantee it!

 

[Hitman]

So what if many have come to Kashmir? Many also travel to other war zones like Syria, Iraq, Palestine and Yemen too? I am afraid the truth about IoK is that it is under occupation say the Kashmiri people themselves where journalists and such people are banned from telling the truth. No amount of development you are telling me about can change that.Oh yes it does matter coz you guys dream of uniting Kashmir by taking our AJK too! The two Kashmir's are intertwined. The removal of article 370 does not mean there is peace in the valley when we all know what happened just a few days back! Ya see Pak understands the Saudi's and Americans will never condemn India's illegal occupation because of India's economy and business associated with it. That is not news that the world is al about money....this is not to say that IoK is not occupied when the people themselves say so.

Now you have no reason to cry when Indian terrorists are killed in IoK every day for they deserve it! Cry me a river why don't you for i have no sympathy for them! Modi is just getting himself in a bigger mess now with the situation with Canada the latest of his blunders. China will destroy your India within two weeks pal so you don't even want to go there! Modi is pretending to play dumb here like he is about the situation in Manipur and IoK! This is why Rahul Gandhi called him "Surrender Modi" for he has happily surrendered Indian land to the Chinese. The only thing settled is the impending break up of India by 2030. I guarantee it!

Yea, we'll be waiting.

 

[PakLFC]

Yea, we'll be waiting.

I will hold you on it! For now I am just at the Canada-India WWE match!

 

[Hitman]

I will hold you on it! For now I am just at the Canada-India WWE match!

What WWE match? Canada were expecting its allies in UK and USA to side with them. Unfortunately for them, it didn't happen. Like a Pakistani poster from Canada said in another thread, it's not even getting much coverage in news media there.

 

[PakLFC]

What WWE match? Canada were expecting its allies in UK and USA to side with them. Unfortunately for them, it didn't happen. Like a Pakistani poster from Canada said in another thread, it's not even getting much coverage in news media there.

Of course they are siding with Canada with the "Five Eyes" group on this case as I speak. Canada is part of this group too, not India. You will not hear any official announcement over who they are siding with. Such things are classified but there will be many contradictory reports.

 

[Hitman]

Of course they are siding with Canada with the "Five Eyes" group on this case as I speak. Canada is part of this group too, not India. You will not hear any official announcement over who they are siding with. Such things are classified but there will be many contradictory reports.

You really believe they will side with Canada and risk hurting their own business interests in return?

 

[PakLFC]

You really believe they will side with Canada and risk hurting their own business interests in return?

They also have plenty of business interests with fully developed Canada too. Lets not forget that ultimately Canada is a majority white country where as India is not. Anglo-Saxons mostly side with each other. The USA will probably stay out of this one other then the usual standard statements.

 

[Major]

You really believe they will side with Canada and risk hurting their own business interests in return?

its better to read history..........

 

[Hitman]

its better to read history..........

History says countries look after their own interests as priority.

 

[rickroll]

I came across this map showing the territory claims of Khalistan movement. Can someone tell me if this is accurate or if this is a troll map? If this is accurate, do Khalistanis actually believe that they will get Lahore and Islamabad (among other areas) from Pakistan? What entitles them to IOK and Ladakh (let alone GB and Azad Kashmir)?

 

[uppercut]

The only thing happening in IoK is mass murder and killing of innocent people so stop kidding yourself.

What is the casualty count so far in your opinion ? And is this still ongoing as of today?

 

[rhony]

So what if many have come to Kashmir? Many also travel to other war zones like Syria, Iraq, Palestine and Yemen too? I am afraid the truth about IoK is that it is under occupation say the Kashmiri people themselves where journalists and such people are banned from telling the truth. No amount of development you are telling me about can change that.Oh yes it does matter coz you guys dream of uniting Kashmir by taking our AJK too! The two Kashmir's are intertwined. The removal of article 370 does not mean there is peace in the valley when we all know what happened just a few days back! Ya see Pak understands the Saudi's and Americans will never condemn India's illegal occupation because of India's economy and business associated with it. That is not news that the world is al about money....this is not to say that IoK is not occupied when the people themselves say so.

Now you have no reason to cry when Indian terrorists are killed in IoK every day for they deserve it! Cry me a river why don't you for i have no sympathy for them! Modi is just getting himself in a bigger mess now with the situation with Canada the latest of his blunders. China will destroy your India within two weeks pal so you don't even want to go there! Modi is pretending to play dumb here like he is about the situation in Manipur and IoK! This is why Rahul Gandhi called him "Surrender Modi" for he has happily surrendered Indian land to the Chinese. The only thing settled is the impending break up of India by 2030. I guarantee it!

Kudos to your confidence but you are setting yourself up for disappointment. Freedom is sweet when you have food, water, shelter and a future. Kashmiris, after 370 abrogation realized freedom isn't worth the trouble. A few terrorists here and there will be neutralized. Thats expected in border states because of infiltrations. These are also drug routes. More people die in the USA Mexico border than Kashmir border. It's all part of the game.

I know war sounds all macho to you but in this age wars are expensive. Even a 2 bit ragtag Taliban could wait out the mighty Americans and you seem to day dream that a nuclear power like India will be defeated by the Chinese in 2 weeks? If that's the case, India would have taken Pakistan already considering the difference in military capabilities. Yes abhinandan was caught and even hungry penniless Somalians took a couple of black hawks down. China's economy is going down and their manipulation of gdp numbers by building dead cities screwed their economy and also the investments of millions of Chinese that bought these dead properties. As I already mentioned, Taiwan is their bigger concern. Indian comaraderie with the Russians doesn't hurt either. Canada is a bit player. I don't think the Indians killed that Khalistani terrorist. Indian students pay billions of dollars in fees to the univs there that funds Canada's higher education. Trudeau will get down on his knees or Modi will come down if proven India did this. At the end they will say rogue actors from India did it or some ISI goons did it. It appears Americans are in control of this now and they are masters of navigating such issues.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It's worth remembering that a couple of decades ago, hindutva bots were spamming Pak sites describing Sikhs as the fighting arm of Hindus. Who presumably didn't want to do the fighting themselves as they were more invested in increasing their private assets.

I wonder how the genuine Sikhs of today feel watching their faith being eroded and wiped out in such a manner despite their sacrifices in Punjab? If the hindutva dream is realised you would think Sikh faith must inevitably be wiped out and reinvented as a branch of Hindu faith. So what was the point of the Sikh faith anyway?

 

[Rajdeep]

It's worth remembering that a couple of decades ago, hindutva bots were spamming Pak sites describing Sikhs as the fighting arm of Hindus. Who presumably didn't want to do the fighting themselves as they were more invested in increasing their private assets.

I wonder how the genuine Sikhs of today feel watching their faith being eroded and wiped out in such a manner despite their sacrifices in Punjab? If the hindutva dream is realised you would think Sikh faith must inevitably be wiped out and reinvented as a branch of Hindu faith. So what was the point of the Sikh faith anyway?

Sikhs faith being eroded in India? Is this the new myth you just now conjured bcoz I have not heard this before. I think you are confusing being Sikhs and Khalistanis. The later was a pipe dream of few back in 80s which failed spectacularly and now it is a thing of past. There is absolutely zero cry or demand for Khalistan among Sikh people in India. All these Khalistani terrorists now took shelter in Canada, opened organizations like Babbar Khalsa and SFJ to attack innocent civilians of Punjab.

And LOL at hindutva dream to wipe out Sikh faith....not sure if this is some kind of a joke. There has been absolutely no issue between Sikhs and Hindus...people following both the faiths respect each other, visits Temple and Gurudwara regularly.

@hoshiarpurexpress is a Sikh and can shed more light into your delusions

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Sikhs faith being eroded in India? Is this the new myth you just now conjured bcoz I have not heard this before. I think you are confusing being Sikhs and Khalistanis. The later was a pipe dream of few back in 80s which failed spectacularly and now it is a thing of past. There is absolutely zero cry or demand for Khalistan among Sikh people in India. All these Khalistani terrorists now took shelter in Canada, opened organizations like Babbar Khalsa and SFJ to attack innocent civilians of Punjab.

And LOL at hindutva dream to wipe out Sikh faith....not sure if this is some kind of a joke. There has been absolutely no issue between Sikhs and Hindus...people following both the faiths respect each other, visits Temple and Gurudwara regularly.

@hoshiarpurexpress is a Sikh and can shed more light into your delusions

lol its a big myth. Hindus and Sikhs go to each other temples in Punjab everyday. In my local Gurudwara, Saini Sabha in Hoshiarpur there are more Hindus helping out in service. The golden temple, the most amount of visitors who come to pay their respects are Hindus. India is a secular country because majority is Hindu. If majority was Islamic fanatics like in Pakistan, well we have seen the results of the same. Even Ahmaddiyas, who want to be treated as Muslims in Pakistan are not safe.

But, to be and Indian, you have to be Indian first, religion will always come second.

 

[PakLFC]

Kudos to your confidence but you are setting yourself up for disappointment. Freedom is sweet when you have food, water, shelter and a future. Kashmiris, after 370 abrogation realized freedom isn't worth the trouble. A few terrorists here and there will be neutralized. Thats expected in border states because of infiltrations. These are also drug routes. More people die in the USA Mexico border than Kashmir border. It's all part of the game.

I know war sounds all macho to you but in this age wars are expensive. Even a 2 bit ragtag Taliban could wait out the mighty Americans and you seem to day dream that a nuclear power like India will be defeated by the Chinese in 2 weeks? If that's the case, India would have taken Pakistan already considering the difference in military capabilities. Yes abhinandan was caught and even hungry penniless Somalians took a couple of black hawks down. China's economy is going down and their manipulation of gdp numbers by building dead cities screwed their economy and also the investments of millions of Chinese that bought these dead properties. As I already mentioned, Taiwan is their bigger concern. Indian comaraderie with the Russians doesn't hurt either. Canada is a bit player. I don't think the Indians killed that Khalistani terrorist. Indian students pay billions of dollars in fees to the univs there that funds Canada's higher education. Trudeau will get down on his knees or Modi will come down if proven India did this. At the end they will say rogue actors from India did it or some ISI goons did it. It appears Americans are in control of this now and they are masters of navigating such issues.

There is no disappointment here big daddy at all! Once more i have to reiterate that if Kashmiris were so happy they wouldn't be living under occupation. Now don't give me this nonsense that 1 million Indian soldiers are their to protect them! You just don't get it do you that we are on the brink of WW3 after which everything will change. The very dynamics of planet earth will be shifted to it's core. You are no one to tell me how many people die in IoK when the Indian government does not even allow inspection.

War is a tragedy however if thrusted upon then every nation worth its salt will defend itself. Are the Palestinians not defending themselves against mighty Israel with almost no weapons?. That said I am not siding with anyone on this war when no Muslim community has every supported Pak. As for China vs India what you don't understand is the former will be fighting with robots and much better war infrastructure then India. Pak and India basically have the same military mindset and fight the same way where as China is a class apart. This is why Modi is in denial of Chinese taking their land as it is better that way.

India is on the wrong side of history siding with America and the west despite being an Eastern country. Surrounded by enemy countries who are eager to punish it the India will be made to pay in a few years time. You ain't becoming no superpower like your media keep telling you for goodness sake!

Talking of Canada Indian students are paying every foreign country to get away and why not! You only have one top ranked university in your country. By comparison not many Canadians would want to live or settle in a third world country like India. The American's are backing Canada over that Sikh's killing, not India. They have not made any pro India comments at all. You have been watching to many Arnab Goswami type comedy shows that keep talking India up.

No, no and no! This Khalistan movement will grow until it's natural conclusion that is complete independence from India. I hope and think the ISI is involved after Ajit Doval admitted India sponsors terrorism in Pak you are in no position to complain now whatever Pak does in IoK or among the Khalistani people. As for Russia if it came to choosing between China and India then make no mistake it's the dragon all the way!

 

[PakLFC]

What is the casualty count so far in your opinion ? And is this still ongoing as of today?

Allow the UN inspectors then we all all know. When Pak does it then why not India? What about the thousands of unmarked graves?

 

[anand99]

Isn't the larger part of Punjab taken by Pakistan? Why do Sikhs only want the Indian part? Why not both? IMO, before the Sikhs can get free homeland there are others waiting in line like tamil nadu, northeast 7 sister states. So get in line behind the rest you cannot cut the line. Kashmir got removed from the front of the queue. This is just in jest as I am of Tamil origin. We are fiercely independent about protecting our language and culture and way of life which is drastically different from northern indians but this talk of separation is a joke. Sikhs need to get over it because they have lot more common with northern Indians and Pakistanis than we do. Still we are sticking around so you better learn to as well.

 

[PakLFC]

Isn't the larger part of Punjab taken by Pakistan? Why do Sikhs only want the Indian part? Why not both? IMO, before the Sikhs can get free homeland there are others waiting in line like tamil nadu, northeast 7 sister states. So get in line behind the rest you cannot cut the line. Kashmir got removed from the front of the queue. This is just in jest as I am of Tamil origin. We are fiercely independent about protecting our language and culture and way of life which is drastically different from northern indians but this talk of separation is a joke. Sikhs need to get over it because they have lot more common with northern Indians and Pakistanis than we do. Still we are sticking around so you better learn to as well.

Sikh's do not want Pak Punjab because they know they can never have it. There are still a minuscule of Sikh's who dream of making Lahore the capital of Khalistan Muslim's are 100% community in Pak Punjab making it an impossible task for them. They want Indian Punjab because they are the majority community in that state. The Sikh people are a different breed to Tamil ones altogether. Just because you are happy to be a part of India does not mean they have to be as well at a time when the RSS keeps preaching that Sikhism is a part of Hinduism. Most Sikh's consider this to be a great insult.

 

[Saanji]

Sikh's do not want Pak Punjab because they know they can never have it. There are still a minuscule of Sikh's who dream of making Lahore the capital of Khalistan Muslim's are 100% community in Pak Punjab making it an impossible task for them. They want Indian Punjab because they are the majority community in that state. The Sikh people are a different breed to Tamil ones altogether. Just because you are happy to be a part of India does not mean they have to be as well at a time when the RSS keeps preaching that Sikhism is a part of Hinduism. Most Sikh's consider this to be a great insult.

And you know this how? By living outside Punjab? Not talking to a single Punjabi who actually lives in amritsar, jallandhar, ludhiana, patiala or bathinda?

It is quite funny seeing some Pakistani posters cheering khalistan. Sikhism is a literal anti thesis to fundamental islamist ideology. Please read up on our actual proud sikh history.

 

[anand99]

Sikh's do not want Pak Punjab because they know they can never have it. There are still a minuscule of Sikh's who dream of making Lahore the capital of Khalistan Muslim's are 100% community in Pak Punjab making it an impossible task for them. They want Indian Punjab because they are the majority community in that state. The Sikh people are a different breed to Tamil ones altogether. Just because you are happy to be a part of India does not mean they have to be as well at a time when the RSS keeps preaching that Sikhism is a part of Hinduism. Most Sikh's consider this to be a great insult.

You are making too many assumptions on behalf of tamilians, so stop.

 

[PakLFC]

You are making too many assumptions on behalf of tamilians, so stop.

No I will never stop on a free Pak forum. I know a few Tamil's as well. Besides, the other side of the coin can only be that most Tamil's also want freedom from India.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Isn't the larger part of Punjab taken by Pakistan? Why do Sikhs only want the Indian part? Why not both? IMO, before the Sikhs can get free homeland there are others waiting in line like tamil nadu, northeast 7 sister states. So get in line behind the rest you cannot cut the line. Kashmir got removed from the front of the queue. This is just in jest as I am of Tamil origin. We are fiercely independent about protecting our language and culture and way of life which is drastically different from northern indians but this talk of separation is a joke. Sikhs need to get over it because they have lot more common with northern Indians and Pakistanis than we do. Still we are sticking around so you better learn to as well.

Because Pakistanis are deluded. Biggest supporters of Israel are siks

 

[anand99]

No I will never stop on a free Pak forum. I know a few Tamil's as well. Besides, the other side of the coin can only be that most Tamil's also want freedom from India.

Wrong again. It's not always black or white. Stop making assumptions. Just because you know couple of tamils

 

[PakLFC]

Wrong again. It's not always black or white. Stop making assumptions. Just because you know couple of tamils

You know nothing! Stay on topic here that just because you want the Tamil's to be par of India does not mean every Tamil does. You do not know the entire population either. They did not choose you as being their spokesperson.

 

[anand99]

You know nothing! Stay on topic here that just because you want the Tamil's to be par of India does not mean every Tamil does. You do not know the entire population either. They did not choose you as being their spokesperson.

Certainly didn't choose you either. You are not even from the same country, let alone same community. You are the one who started making assumptions about tamilians so simply correcting you. You veered off topic.

 

[PakLFC]

Certainly didn't choose you either. You are not even from the same country, let alone same community. You are the one who started making assumptions about tamilians so simply correcting you. You veered off topic.

Certainly didn't choose you either. You are not even from the same country, let alone same community. You are the one who started making assumptions about tamilians so simply correcting you. You veered off topic.

Correct yourself first ace!