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So today a historic peace deal was signed between the US and the Afghan Taliban. The US troops will be fully exiting from AFG within the next two years if everything goes to plan.

What does this mean for the current Afghan government?
They only hold around 20-30% of the land but after the US withdrawal, will they be able to hold on.

Also,a question that may interest our Indian PPers, if the Taliban control Afghanistan, what would that mean for India's relationship with AFG?
 
IMO taliban is not the problem. India don't have much animosity with taliban in fact ajit doval had negotiated with them in the past during delhi katmandu flight hijack.

I am kind of worried about rise of ISIS (after US withdrawl) in the region ! Afghan opium is a good source of income for their activities ! Already many indians went to syria to join ISIS in the past. If ISIS rises in pak-afghan border it's very easy to join them.

I tell u what if ISIS gets strong its a grave threat for both India & pakistan
 
Only Pashtun Sunnis would be happy with that deal. Every other ethnicity hates the Taliban in Afghanistan and they should.
 
IMO taliban is not the problem. India don't have much animosity with taliban in fact ajit doval had negotiated with them in the past during delhi katmandu flight hijack.

I am kind of worried about rise of ISIS (after US withdrawl) in the region ! Afghan opium is a good source of income for their activities ! Already many indians went to syria to join ISIS in the past. If ISIS rises in pak-afghan border it's very easy to join them.

I tell u what if ISIS gets strong its a grave threat for both India & pakistan

Taliban actually banned Opium cultivation in 2001, which had a great impact on drug supply out of Afghanistan:

https://www.tni.org/en/article/learning-lessons-from-the-taliban-opium-ban

The best outcome of this deal will be India getting kicked out of Pakistans eastern border. They had a failed attempt in building Charbahar port, which Trump killed by his sanctions and now he has also shut the door in Afghanistan.
 
IMO taliban is not the problem. India don't have much animosity with taliban in fact ajit doval had negotiated with them in the past during delhi katmandu flight hijack.

I am kind of worried about rise of ISIS (after US withdrawl) in the region ! Afghan opium is a good source of income for their activities ! Already many indians went to syria to join ISIS in the past. If ISIS rises in pak-afghan border it's very easy to join them.

I tell u what if ISIS gets strong its a grave threat for both India & pakistan

It was more related to the investments India have in Afghanistan.

how will that play out now?
 
IMO taliban is not the problem. India don't have much animosity with taliban in fact ajit doval had negotiated with them in the past during delhi katmandu flight hijack.

I am kind of worried about rise of ISIS (after US withdrawl) in the region ! Afghan opium is a good source of income for their activities ! Already many indians went to syria to join ISIS in the past. If ISIS rises in pak-afghan border it's very easy to join them.

I tell u what if ISIS gets strong its a grave threat for both India & pakistan

ISIS has no chance whatsoever against Taliban.
 
Sikhs have already left Afghanistan. Talib dogs will make sure Tajik, Hazaras, Nuristanis etc every non-Pashtun ethnicities leave it too.
 
Sikhs have already left Afghanistan. Talib dogs will make sure Tajik, Hazaras, Nuristanis etc every non-Pashtun ethnicities leave it too.

Good that India has passed on the recent legislation to absorb all these Afhgan refugees. Just in time!
 
If Afghans want Taliban, then Taliban should be in the government. Not sure why folks outside of Afghanistan should interfere.

Their country and their rules. Simple.
 
I personally feel that Taliban will not be a bad government for Afghanistan. Taliban is not a global terrorist group. They mostly stay within their country. I am referring to Afghan Taliban here (not Pakistani Taliban).
 
Maybe as the next step, they should have a referendum in Afghanistan to decide if Afghans want to live under Taliban or the current setup. If parts of the country vote overwhelmingly for one side, maybe the right solution is 2 states out of one.
 
Hope not they are a bunch of jahil savages who are good for no one
 
If I was Afghan I would be really dismayed at what the future holds.... unparh gamaar mullahs are being handed over the country. I hope free and fair elections are held in Afghanistan and the people beat these mullahs.
 
If I was Afghan I would be really dismayed at what the future holds.... unparh gamaar mullahs are being handed over the country. I hope free and fair elections are held in Afghanistan and the people beat these mullahs.
What about Indian investment in Afghanistan
 
Mullahs can never do any good for any country. They will continue to target Muslim minorities in Afghanistan like Shias and Hazaras.
 
You have a wrong outlook at the situation.

First of all the Americans aren't leaving the area on the spot. The complete withdrawal would take 14 months. Therefore the current Afghan government isn't under threat due to a sudden lack of American presence. Rather the irony is that with this peace deal the Americans themselves have nullified the legitimacy of the current Afghan government and the recently held elections.

If you read the peace deal it becomes clear that from American POV the current government of Afghanistan can pack their bags and go home. According to the agreement starting from 10 March there would be intra-afghan "dialogs" and "negotiations" from which a new "post-settlement Afghan Islamic government" would emerge.

Taliban don't consider democracy to be Islamic. Hence "dialogs" and "negotiations" is how they wish to form a new government. While Americans are fine with it. They don't care about how the Afghans choose to run their country as long as the country isn't used by alqaeda and IS to carry out attacks against the west.

The more interesting question is how exactly would a government emerge through "dialogs and negotiations" and will Taliban eventually give in and accept the democratic process as a mean to establish a government or will they resolve back to violence once no meaningful outcome was derived from mere dialogs and negotiations.
 
What about Indian investment in Afghanistan

India will likely exit Afghanistan in the next year or so. If the non-Pashtuns are armed and able to hold on to territory, then India could have a presence there.

India is not going to have much influence in Afghanistan in the foreseeable future. They cannot save the Afghan citizens in the areas ruled by the Taliban from the mullahs. If there is a terrorist attack in India that originates from Afghanistan, the best option would be to hit back with a few Brahmos, sort of what Reagan did to Gaddafi in retaliation for the 1986 West Berlin discotheque bombing.
 
Imagine having to live under a bunch of savages like Taliban. How can any society progress?
Geopolitics aside, its not good for the people of Afghanistan.
 
I hope afgan Taliban are involved in the governing of afganistan which includes all the tribes in their country for the aim to unify and progress the country peacefully, and it should not let neighbouring countries use their borders to cause terrorism like India have been doing for the last decade or so
 
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'I Don't Want This Peace': Afghan Women Fear Losing Their Freedom With Taliban's Return

Kabul: As US troops prepare to leave Afghanistan, opening the door for a potential Taliban comeback, women across the war-torn country are nervous about losing their hard-won freedoms in the pursuit of peace.

The militants were in power for around five years until the US invasion of 2001. They ruled Afghanistan with an iron fist that turned women into virtual prisoners under a strict interpretation of sharia law.

The Taliban's fall transformed women's lives, much more so in urban areas like Kabul than in conservative rural Afghanistan.

But across the country, women remain wary of the insurgents, desperate to see an end to the violence, but fearful of paying a heavy price. Here are some of their stories:

'How will I support my family?'

Under the Taliban, women were barred from seeking education or work — rights that Afghan female professionals are fiercely protective of today.

In the western city of Herat, saleswoman Setara Akrimi, 32, said — "I will be very happy if peace comes and the Taliban stop killing our people."

"But if the Taliban come back to power... with their old mentality, it is a matter of concern for me," the divorced mother of three added.

"If they tell me to sit at home, I will not be able to support my family," she said, adding that there were thousands of women like her in Afghanistan, who were all worried.


'No change in mentality'

Akrimi's anxieties are echoed by Kabul-based veterinarian Tahera Rezai, who believes "the arrival of the Taliban will affect women's right to work, freedom and independence".

"There has been no change in their mentality," the 30-year-old said.

Passionate about her career, Rezai said she was pessimistic about her prospects if the insurgents return to government, even in a truncated capacity.

"Looking at their history, I feel less hopeful... I believe the situation will get harder for working women like me," she said.

In the run-up to the US deal, the militants made a vague commitment to respect women's rights in line with "Islamic values", prompting warnings from activists that the pledge was mere lip service and open to broad interpretation.

The Taliban control large swathes of Afghanistan and while they now allow girls to attend primary school in some areas, occasional reports of floggings and even the public stoning of women persist, fuelling fears they will turn back the clock if they return to power.

'Every family is grieving'

Many ordinary Afghans are struggling to balance their desire for peace with their dread of the insurgents.

"Every family here is grieving because they have lost their children, sons, husbands, brothers in the war," government official Torpekay Shinwari said, in the eastern Nangarhar province, which witnessed fierce battles between the Taliban and the Islamic State group's Afghanistan affiliate.

The 46-year-old said she was praying for peace, but was increasingly concerned that "women would be looked upon as the second sex and suppressed" if the militants gain ground.

'The young generation has changed'

But in Kandahar, the birthplace of the Taliban, schoolgirl Parwana Hussaini struck a rare optimistic note.

"I am not worried. Who are the Taliban? They are our brothers," the 17-year-old said. "We are all Afghans and want peace."

"The young generation has changed, and will not allow the Taliban to enforce their old ideology upon us," she said.

But for those who bore the brunt of the insurgents' merciless rule, there is little doubt that a Taliban comeback will bring anything other than a repeat of "dark and painful memories".

Factory worker Uzra, from the mainly Shiite Hazara ethnic minority, sobbed as she recounted life as a young mother, alone at home with her children when the Sunni-fundamentalist Taliban arrived in her village.

"I still vividly remember the day... They massacred all the men, and then came to my house," the 40-year-old said, too frightened to give her full name.

The militants threatened to behead her then three-year-old daughter, she said, from her home in central Bamiyan province.


The family survived and fled to Pakistan, but her husband was disabled and traumatised by the brutal beatings he suffered. "To this day, when the word 'Taliban' comes up, he starts crying," she said.

"Everybody wants peace, but not if the Taliban returns. I don't want this so-called peace."

https://www.news18.com/news/world/i...eir-freedom-with-talibans-return-2520921.html

A few are optimistic.

Most are worried.

These are savages.

You give savages power and they will do what they will do.

Sad part is nothing can be done.
 
https://www.news18.com/news/world/i...eir-freedom-with-talibans-return-2520921.html

A few are optimistic.

Most are worried.

These are savages.

You give savages power and they will do what they will do.

Sad part is nothing can be done.

Unfortunately that is what the most powerful force in that country is, that is the culture.

I feel sorry for them, especially the women, but it is time for the US to leave. It is long past time for young Americans to stop dying half way across the world.
 
Unfortunately that is what the most powerful force in that country is, that is the culture.

I feel sorry for them, especially the women, but it is time for the US to leave. It is long past time for young Americans to stop dying half way across the world.

Yeah I get that.

Compulsions.

Feel sorry for those who have to live under the regime but that's what it is.
 
https://www.news18.com/news/world/i...eir-freedom-with-talibans-return-2520921.html

A few are optimistic.

Most are worried.

These are savages.

You give savages power and they will do what they will do.

Sad part is nothing can be done.

Not sure why the whole of afg needs controlling

The likes of fareed suri and durrani and even dost khan never tried controlling the whole of Afghanistan
Hopefully the cesspool the Soviets left behind had been cleaned up
 
Not sure why the whole of afg needs controlling

The likes of fareed suri and durrani and even dost khan never tried controlling the whole of Afghanistan
Hopefully the cesspool the Soviets left behind had been cleaned up

Didn't say it needed to be.

USA occupation was unsustainable too.
 
My eyes soaked when I read this and people here support these shameful people

It's like the North Korea situation.

World knows atrocities happen. But they can't do anything about it.

Try not to think about this. This won't be pretty at all.
 
It's like the North Korea situation.

World knows atrocities happen. But they can't do anything about it.

Try not to think about this. This won't be pretty at all.

I have Afghan friends who say that their families in Afghanistan are very scared because they are Shias and Hazaras. Hazaras were and still are like Dalits of Afghanistan. No one likes them even some well educated Afghans.
 
I have Afghan friends who say that their families in Afghanistan are very scared because they are Shias and Hazaras. Hazaras were and still are like Dalits of Afghanistan. No one likes them even some well educated Afghans.

Oh you know people there. I am sorry to hear that bud.

Any chance of them escaping from that place?
 
India will likely exit Afghanistan in the next year or so. If the non-Pashtuns are armed and able to hold on to territory, then India could have a presence there.

India is not going to have much influence in Afghanistan in the foreseeable future. They cannot save the Afghan citizens in the areas ruled by the Taliban from the mullahs. If there is a terrorist attack in India that originates from Afghanistan, the best option would be to hit back with a few Brahmos, sort of what Reagan did to Gaddafi in retaliation for the 1986 West Berlin discotheque bombing.

Make sure your fire those Brahmos via Iran, otherwise expect a barrage of Nasr, Ra'ad, Babur in return.
 
That’s what journalists and people of Afghanistan want.
Posters opposing this need to do more research.
 
IMO taliban is not the problem. India don't have much animosity with taliban in fact ajit doval had negotiated with them in the past during delhi katmandu flight hijack.

I am kind of worried about rise of ISIS (after US withdrawl) in the region ! Afghan opium is a good source of income for their activities ! Already many indians went to syria to join ISIS in the past. If ISIS rises in pak-afghan border it's very easy to join them.

I tell u what if ISIS gets strong its a grave threat for both India & pakistan

The taliban haye ISIs and for that matter any outfit encroaching their territory. I think if they sort of tow the American line, they will have the US support against them. I think taliban could be the de facto power in Afghanistan.
 
Afghan girl kills two Taliban militants in fightback

A teenage Afghan girl has been hailed on social media for her "heroism" after fighting back last week against Taliban militants who killed her parents.

The girl took the family's AK-47 assault rifle, shot dead two of the militants and wounded several others, local officials in Ghor province said.

The Taliban came to the house because the girl's father was a government supporter, they added.

A photo of the girl holding the gun has gone viral in recent days.

Later more militants came to attack the house, in the village of Griwa, but were beaten back by villagers and pro-government militia.

Officials said the girl, believed to be aged between 14 and 16, and her younger brother had been taken to a safer place.

Social media users praised the teenager.

"Hats off to her courage," AFP quoted Najiba Rahmi as saying on Facebook.

"We know parents are irreplaceable, but your revenge will give you relative peace," said Mohamed Saleh, also on Facebook.

According to local media, Ghor is one of the most underdeveloped western provinces of Afghanistan and incidences of violence against women are high.

The Taliban signed a peace deal with the US in February but many of its members continue to call for the overthrow of the current Afghan government and constitution.

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-53491304
 
Came to type here that if women of Afghanistan don't fight back against Taliban then they deserve to have Taliban again, but then saw the news above.

Afghan Men are pretty much meh with all their ego fighting for centuries, just like Rwandan women its upto Afghan women to take up ruins of Afghanistan and create a difference.
 
So much worries for so many Indian posters here, they trying to show their sympathetic side is disgraceful considering their track record here in Kashmir.

They can never be sympathetic towards Muslims whether they are from Afghanistan or Mars(barring few which counts to almost nothing).
 
So much worries for so many Indian posters here, they trying to show their sympathetic side is disgraceful considering their track record here in Kashmir.

They can never be sympathetic towards Muslims whether they are from Afghanistan or Mars(barring few which counts to almost nothing).

Another Kashmiri! Welcome.

HINDUSTANAS TRATH!
 
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These former warlords(controlling Afghanistan) are not good people either not saying Taliban are a better option but these are the things that attract people to Taliban
 
So much worries for so many Indian posters here, they trying to show their sympathetic side is disgraceful considering their track record here in Kashmir.

They can never be sympathetic towards Muslims whether they are from Afghanistan or Mars(barring few which counts to almost nothing).
For a Kashmiri Muslim, I agree finding a fully empathetic or sympathetic Indian Hindu might be hard. And I often try to accept this characteristic in me too - that my views on Kashmir and therefore Kashmiris are insensitive.

But the major reason why a Pakistani is sympathetic is plain opportunism.

Another Kashmiri! Welcome.

HINDUSTANAS TRATH!

It has nothing to do with being a fellow Muslim or cultural similarities. Example: Uyghurs

Kashmiris should fully express their final objective as complete Independence and then see how concerned some of these vocal Pakistanis are. Ask the Bangladeshis or even Afghanistan.
 
For a Kashmiri Muslim, I agree finding a fully empathetic or sympathetic Indian Hindu might be hard. And I often try to accept this characteristic in me too - that my views on Kashmir and therefore Kashmiris are insensitive.

If Indians, regardless of religion, accept the reality that Kashmiri Muslims have never accepted being a part of India, they can make the Kashmiris accept and even want to be part of India. How? Simply give the valley maximum autonomy, like South Tyrol has in Italy, or Aland Islands have in Finland.

There is no need for independence when you have almost all the powers of a state. And you also get to be part of India's growing economy. Kashmir Muslims can get the best of both worlds then.

But the major reason why a Pakistani is sympathetic is plain opportunism.

It has nothing to do with being a fellow Muslim or cultural similarities. Example: Uyghurs

Its being a Muslim And having cultural similarities. With Uighurs there is only religion in common.

And its been an issue in Pakistan since August 14, 1947. I mean there have been wars fought over Kashmir, so its not like Pakistanis are just making up interest in Kashmir right now because the country has problems. The majority of Pakistanis see Kashmiris as Pakistanis. They are convinced that if they had a choice in 1947 they would have voted for Pakistan over India.

Kashmiris should fully express their final objective as complete Independence and then see how concerned some of these vocal Pakistanis are. Ask the Bangladeshis or even Afghanistan.

They already have. Majority of Kashmiris, in the valley want independence.
 
If Indians, regardless of religion, accept the reality that Kashmiri Muslims have never accepted being a part of India, they can make the Kashmiris accept and even want to be part of India. How? Simply give the valley maximum autonomy, like South Tyrol has in Italy, or Aland Islands have in Finland.

At least in urban India you would find people who are sympathetic to Kashmiri independence. They might not support it but would at least be willing to understand it. A small minority. But they're there. However, you'd hardly find anyone being ok with Kashmir joining Pak.

The majority of Pakistanis see Kashmiris as Pakistanis. They are convinced that if they had a choice in 1947 they would have voted for Pakistan over India.

They already have. Majority of Kashmiris, in the valley want independence.

If Kashmir achieved independence, how ok do you think the average Pakistani would be with that. And what if POK (or AJK) :smith wanted to merge with the newly created nation, how would that go.
 
If Kashmir achieved independence, how ok do you think the average Pakistani would be with that. And what if POK (or AJK) :smith wanted to merge with the newly created nation, how would that go.


When we talk about kashmir, we mean both AJk and iok. That's the independent kashmir we want. Pakistan should have no problem with it.
 
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