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Will Virat Kohli become the first batsman to average 60 in ODIs?

What is his current average and how many ODIs? It's very hard to lift your average by much in ODI's unless you have not played many ODIs.
 
Buffet said:
What is his current average and how many ODIs? It's very hard to lift your average by much in ODI's unless you have not played many ODIs.
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He averages 55.22 over 182 innings. I wouldn't put it past him to raise it to 60 over 250 or so innings.
 
Sachin136 said:
He averages 55.22 over 182 innings. I wouldn't put it past him to raise it to 60 over 250 or so innings.
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He is in his prime will he be as good in his 30s remains to be seen that will determine his average overall.
 
Sachin136 said:
He averages 55.22 over 182 innings. I wouldn't put it past him to raise it to 60 over 250 or so innings.
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He has to average really high for the next 60-70 ODI's for that. Often we extrapolate too much and it's very hard for players to keep performing at that level for too long.

Doing it consistently at high level for a long period is not given as much weight in PP. I meant batsmen or bowlers, who have done it, are not given due credit and I feel it comes down to not understanding how hard it is to maintain it. Doing it for 100 tests is very hard, doing it for 150 is much much harder. I often see comments where posters don't put enough weight on this. Not saying it about you, but just a general observation.
 
Kohli is 50% the batsman he was in 2015. No match winning knocks single handedly in 2 years like he used to do often. Wrong attitude and loud mouth,Abhi nahi sudhra to bad days for Indian cricket
 
msb314 said:
Ryan Ten Doeschate?
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I really feel bad for Ryan. He's a world class batsman but has to play for the Netherlands. Smashes county teams for fun. Now that SAF has become even more **** about quota there's an even smaller chance of him playing for a big team.

Isn't he qualified to play for England now? Not sure if he has citizenship. But at 37 doubt he'd get a look in.
 
i cant doubt he is the greatest batsmen of all time after Sachin and ViV and we lucky to see him play live.
 
joly said:
Kohli is 50% the batsman he was in 2015. No match winning knocks single handedly in 2 years like he used to do often. Wrong attitude and loud mouth,Abhi nahi sudhra to bad days for Indian cricket
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2015 was Kohli's worst year in ODI cricket (since 2008) where he averaged only 36.

In 2016 - he averaged 92 in ODI cricket.

He has become far better than he was in 2015 - not worse...
 
Doesnt Ten Doeschate already have that honor?
 
With his current average, 55, that alone is phenomenal. The amount of matches he has played and to average 55, he is already way ahead of the rest.

I think it will be difficult for him to get his average up to 60, one thing I have learned about Virat is that he doesn't give up and don't put anything past him. I'm sure with his skillset and determination he can get there. Let's see.
 
even if Kohli mantains 55 average and has ONE daddy World Cup, he will have surpassed Viv
 
Speaking just in terms of averages I think averaging 53-55 in this era is excellent but an average of 60 will definitely separate one from the rest. There are quite a few players already averaging 50+ namely Dhoni, AB, Amla, Kohli and I am pretty sure Smith, Williamson, Root will reach there soon. Also kids like De Kock, Babar most probably will have 50+ average after 150/200 matches.

An average of 60, well that will be too special imo.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
Yeah forgot about him but to be honest he played most of his matches not against the top 8 rather the bottom 8.
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For me thats not an issue. its not like he is minnow bashing lol. He is from a minnow team. Also btw most of the matches he plays against teams below top 10 dont get ODI status either

but i just checked and he has played only 30 odd matches meaning the sample is too low
 
Slog said:
For me thats not an issue. its not like he is minnow bashing lol. He is from a minnow team. Also btw most of the matches he plays against teams below top 10 dont get ODI status either

but i just checked and he has played only 30 odd matches meaning the sample is too low
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I guess playing matches with teams like Netherlands, Scotland, Ireland, UAE, Nepal etc all have odi status and apart from World Cup finals Ryan Ten played most of his matches against these teams.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
I guess playing matches with teams like Netherlands, Scotland, Ireland, UAE, Nepal etc all have odi status and apart from World Cup finals Ryan Ten played most of his matches against these teams.
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of his 33 matches, 11 are against top nations and he averages 52 @ SR of 92

Overall he averages 67 @ SR of 88
 
He's one of the best batsman in the world right now but for him to average 60 would mean that he'd have to constantly score above 50's in many games with very minimal failures. That itself is going to be quite difficult to do, I'd back him to claw his way up to Sachin's ODI run record but he's going to have to rely on certain teams having weak bowlers for him to continuously pile up daddy tons.
 
ExplicitAI said:
He's one of the best batsman in the world right now but for him to average 60 would mean that he'd have to constantly score above 50's in many games with very minimal failures. That itself is going to be quite difficult to do, I'd back him to claw his way up to Sachin's ODI run record but he's going to have to rely on certain teams having weak bowlers for him to continuously pile up daddy tons.
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In case of Kohli, AB, Dhoni not outs play a good role as these guy stay till the end and finish matches. So even if they fail average balance out.
 
He can average 99.94 in ODIs and it would mean nothing if he keeps failing as spectacularly as he did in the CT 17 Final and the WC 15 SF. This is the era where 95% of ODI cricket consists of meaningless bilaterals, succeeding in them means close to nothing. I'll take Dhawan over Kohli as an ODI batsman ANYDAY.
 
Buffet said:
In past, 95% of bilateral ODIs were meaningful ?
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Without a doubt. Many of the ODIs being played in the last millennium were a part of multi team tournaments whether it be Triangular, Quadrangular or sometimes even 5 team tournaments. Every match carried a lot more meaning with the NRR in play as well. ODI cricket was actually exciting. You had players playing one tournament final or the others every three months. ODI cricket actually had prestige outside of the ICC tournaments. These vanilla bilaterals that have taken over the scene in the past decade or so have destroyed ODI cricket completely. Add to that the fact that 325 seems to be a par score these days makes things even more excruciating. Even Aus. for some reason has stopped hosting the traditional triangular series. I'd rather watch paint dry than watch any of the India-SL or the upcoming India-Aus ODIs to be played on 375 phattas. Colossal waste of time.
 
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It is unlikely, not easy to take your average up by another 5 points. It is like the speed of light, the closer you are to it, the harder it is to accelerate any further.

Kohli does not need a 60+ average. He is already far far ahead of any other batsman in shorter formats.
 
For instance: See Wasim Akram's career spanning from 1984-2003.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...nament_type=3;tournament_type=5;type=allround

234 out of 356 ODIs were a part of tournaments of 3 teams or more. An astounding 66%.

Compare that with let's say MS Dhoni who made his debut in 2005:

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...nament_type=3;tournament_type=5;type=allround

Just a 102 out of 297 translating to barely 34%. Almost half of Wasim.

And it gets even worse from 2010 onwards:

Joe Root's numbers who made his debut in 2012:

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...nament_type=3;tournament_type=5;type=allround

Barely 20 out of 92, just 21 %!!!!

It's a free fall. No wonder ODI cricket isn't taken seriously these days.
 
Proactive_ said:
For instance: See Wasim Akram's career spanning from 1984-2003.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...nament_type=3;tournament_type=5;type=allround

234 out of 356 ODIs were a part of tournaments of 3 teams or more. An astounding 66%.

Compare that with let's say MS Dhoni who made his debut in 2005:

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...nament_type=3;tournament_type=5;type=allround

Just a 102 out of 297 translating to barely 34%. Almost half of Wasim.

And it gets even worse from 2010 onwards:

Joe Root's numbers who made his debut in 2012:

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...nament_type=3;tournament_type=5;type=allround

Barely 20 out of 92, just 21 %!!!!

It's a free fall. No wonder ODI cricket isn't taken seriously these days.
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I think majority of those ODI's with tournaments existed due to India-Pakistan playing in the same tournaments. I think in Wasim's case, it will be all those ODI's in UAE. Just guessing here.
 
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Not-Outs. That's the key and Kohli specializes in it. He chases and finishes game extremely well. Thus, more likely than not.

Add to that, most teams are development stage and struggling with new talent, thus weak opposition out there (eg. Sri Lanka)
 
Buffet said:
I think majority of those ODI's with tournaments existed due to India-Pakistan playing in the same tournaments. I think in Wasim's case, it will be all those ODI's in UAE. Just guessing here.
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Well obviously, because if you have to have a 3-5 team tournament with a pool of total 8-10 ODI teams then obviously it will feature the same teams with high frequency.

Here's Wasim's matches breakdown in these tournaments:

Aus : 42 matches
WI : 43 matches
SL : 41 matches
Ind : 34 matches
SA : 21 matches
Eng : 17 matches

That's 198. Rest are Vs Smaller teams.
 
Buffet said:
He has to average really high for the next 60-70 ODI's for that. Often we extrapolate too much and it's very hard for players to keep performing at that level for too long.

Doing it consistently at high level for a long period is not given as much weight in PP. I meant batsmen or bowlers, who have done it, are not given due credit and I feel it comes down to not understanding how hard it is to maintain it. Doing it for 100 tests is very hard, doing it for 150 is much much harder. I often see comments where posters don't put enough weight on this. Not saying it about you, but just a general observation.
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Agree with this. But if anyone has the ability to do this it is VK and it has to be done by staying not out.
 
His last few innings have been not out, which states that he often stay till end and ensure to finish off the game. If he continues his form for another 2-3 years and stays not out and finishes off the game, then certainly he will cross 60 avg.
 
Buffet said:
What is his current average and how many ODIs? It's very hard to lift your average by much in ODI's unless you have not played many ODIs.
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He was averaging barely 50-51 in 2015. Since then he has averaged 95 odd in around 30 ODIs. Bradmanesque.
 
Can Virat Kohli average 60 in ODI cricket?

Maintaining an average of 50 after having played 100 or so innings is ludicrously difficult work, every single person who has done it is a certifiable ODI legend, the names (100+ innings) including -

AB DeVilliers
M Bevan
MS Dhoni
H Amla

and of course Kohli himself, Kohli however has taken this to a new height and currently averages 56.36, evidently it gets harder and harder to increase the average as you go higher, but can he touch unheralded territory and get it to 60? What's your take?
 
It wi be hard for Kohli to even hit the 60 avg mark, let alone ending up there. An avg of 60 is simply a bit too much. He should hit 57-58 which will still be a magnificent effort.

The likes of AB, Amla and MSD are all done and won't even end up at 55.

Someone from younger age can do that given the pitches have become terribly flat since 2015( someone like Joe Root will all of a sudden hit 55 avg if it remains like this in England for even two years).
 
Not sure about Kohli, but Babar definitely can. The guy is more prolific that any other young batsman I have seen.
 
If Kohli averages around 65+ in next 8 years then he will be close to that mark.

Looks difficult
 
Rayyman said:
Not sure about Kohli, but Babar definitely can. The guy is more prolific that any other young batsman I have seen.
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I'd imagine this would be the only sensible post in this whole delusional thread.
 
Ab Fan said:
It wi be hard for Kohli to even hit the 60 avg mark, let alone ending up there. An avg of 60 is simply a bit too much. He should hit 57-58 which will still be a magnificent effort.

The likes of AB, Amla and MSD are all done and won't even end up at 55.

Someone from younger age can do that given the pitches have become terribly flat since 2015( someone like Joe Root will all of a sudden hit 55 avg if it remains like this in England for even two years).
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Lol at pitches suddenly becoming flat since 2015

They have been flat since 2010 or so.

The 2014 two new ball rule has made it easier though
 
Slog said:
Lol at pitches suddenly becoming flat since 2015

They have been flat since 2010 or so.

The 2014 two new ball rule has made it easier though
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England and SA werent as flat before 2015 as they have been since then.
 
Rayyman said:
Depends on how much he improves and, the quality of the opposition moving forward.
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That's true for any x, y, z player.

When I first saw chanderpaul, I used to think of him as a tail ender who can bat a bit....

How wrong was I.....
 
He can touch it but its difficult for anyone to sustain it. He will have his low period too, so it will kind of level it. I can see him comfortably ending his career over 50.

I mean an average of over 50 with a SR of 90+ and between 40-50 tons. Damn, it will be tough to replicate that.
 
Every other thread is about Kohli, Indians are getting to obsessed.

Yes, he is a great batsmen but to achieve over 60 from where he is now is highly unlikely.
 
Itachi said:
That's true for any x, y, z player.

When I first saw chanderpaul, I used to think of him as a tail ender who can bat a bit....

How wrong was I.....
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But Babar's record after 40 matches is right up there with the best. Better than Kohli btw.
 
Rayyman said:
But Babar's record after 40 matches is right up there with the best. Better than Kohli btw.
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Babar's record after 1 bad series in NZ has dropped from 58 to 51. So not sure if he will be able to sustain an average of 50+ through his career.

Coming back to the topic, I don't think Virat can average 60 in ODI's. If he has a purple patch for a sustained period, he might get close to it but will not be able to sustain such a high average in ODI's.
 
Proactive_ said:
He can average 99.94 in ODIs and it would mean nothing if he keeps failing as spectacularly as he did in the CT 17 Final and the WC 15 SF. This is the era where 95% of ODI cricket consists of meaningless bilaterals, succeeding in them means close to nothing. I'll take Dhawan over Kohli as an ODI batsman ANYDAY.
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But this somehow doesnt translate to Kohli is crap despite removing 95% of ODI cricket from any consideration. Right? :))
 
Proactive_ said:
He can average 99.94 in ODIs and it would mean nothing if he keeps failing as spectacularly as he did in the CT 17 Final and the WC 15 SF. This is the era where 95% of ODI cricket consists of meaningless bilaterals, succeeding in them means close to nothing. I'll take Dhawan over Kohli as an ODI batsman ANYDAY.
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Tusker said:
But this somehow doesnt translate to Kohli is crap despite removing 95% of ODI cricket from any consideration. Right? :))
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BTW taking out 95% of ODIs from Kohli's stats leaves us with a grand total of barely 10 Inngs to rate him ... ( 196 * 0.05 = 9.8 ). You must apply for a patent for coming up with this mahan formula ... :91:

Just for giggles you want to list those 10 ODIs that matter ?
 
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springbok said:
An average of 60 on India's flat dust bowl wickets is hardly an achievement
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flat dust bowls, lol.
thats what happen when neither want to praise kohli for batting nor any other indian bowler for good bowling.
 
giri26 said:
Babar's record after 1 bad series in NZ has dropped from 58 to 51. So not sure if he will be able to sustain an average of 50+ through his career.

Coming back to the topic, I don't think Virat can average 60 in ODI's. If he has a purple patch for a sustained period, he might get close to it but will not be able to sustain such a high average in ODI's.
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He is very good at chasing and often remains not out. If he would hv remained Not out in 1st ODI against SA he would touched 57.. as per my calculation a not out century would increase the average by 0.70

I think if continue finishing the game the way he does he may achieve 60 soon

His last end of year averages (last 3 yrs)

Current 56.36
2017 55.74
2016 52.85
2015 50.60
 
He should end up with a 51-53 average because he might have a bad period in the future as per law of averages. It is still an outstanding average.
 
OMG , 1st innings, overseas, scored over 50% of the runs , SR 100 . WHAT MORE DO YOU need .... :shh:shh:shh ..

Better filters need to come up for the King !
 
SandyB said:
OMG , 1st innings, overseas, scored over 50% of the runs , SR 100 . WHAT MORE DO YOU need .... :shh:shh:shh ..

Better filters need to come up for the King !
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But can he do it on a cold night in Stoke? :yk
 
SandyB said:
OMG , 1st innings, overseas, scored over 50% of the runs , SR 100 . WHAT MORE DO YOU need .... :shh:shh:shh ..

Better filters need to come up for the King !
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Meaningless bilateral with no 1 ODI bowler in the world Steyn not playing.
Also failed in CT final.
 
AB won an odi series in India.













Well, Kohli returns back in SA.
 
This guy is a goat, never seen a more dominate player like him.

He's quickly becoming the Michael Jordan of cricket.
 
Another remarkable innings. We are truly blessed too witness this legend . :bow:
 
Missed the innings, Kohli is in such a good purple patch hope it stays for till after 2019 WC and we win.
 
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