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Will we ever see a batsman who'll average 50 in all three formats?

carrom_ball said:
And yet he ended up as one, Kohli has clearly shown potential to be an ATG by his dominance in other formats and even in away tests, you can't just judge ATG from stats, tendulkar didn't score a single century in his first 73 odis, kohli is averaging close to 50 in the last 3 years and will only improve from here on, he has all the makings of an ATG
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In his first 41 tests, he played at #6 and #7 positions predominantly. You would have to be pretty thick to consider such a batsman an ATG-to-be based on that career thus far. He was revelation as a batsman at #3 later.

(A) Plenty of batsmen average in 40s after their 41st tests.
(B) Very few do so in 50s.

The proportion of those who become your ATGs out of (B) >>> the proportion who do out of (B).
 
carrom_ball said:
Kohli also started his career at 5 and 6 which is why his average is down, he has been doing great since he moved to no. 4, he has only had 1 bad series in england of 5 test matches which ruined his average otherwise it would have been over 50 by now, going by your logic if kohli had skipped the england series and was averaging 50+ now then he would have been an ATG-to-be lol, you rely too much on stats, watch the game to see who has the potential and who does not
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You need to do your research.

1. Kohli played most of his career by his 41st test at #4 and #5. He played the most at #4. Those are positions for the specialist batsmen. #4 is likely his long-term position. So, you CAN conclude how he is batting now to predict his future.

Ponting played primarily at #6 followed by at #7. Those positions are neither those of specialist ATG batsmen nor his own long-term positions. Conclude at your own peril.

2. Here are Kohli's averages by series in the last 2 years in chronological order:

vs NZ: 71
vs ENG: 13
vs AUS: 86
vs BD: 14
vs SL: 38
vs SA: 33

There goes your 'England' strawman out of the window.

3. As for "you rely too much on stats", yes, I see that copout all the time once an argument is busted. Here is what YOUR own first response was:
kohli's strike rate in t20s is 137, 50 @137 is great, plus kohli is definitely going to end up an ATG in tests with an average above 50...
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What do you call those things in bold? Contemporary arts? Or Clinical psychology?

Or will "stats" do?
 
carrom_ball said:
lol are you for real, did you even watch the series vs sl and sa, they were low scoring series abdv only managed 36 average and he was the best batsman of the series, clearly you are too thick to argue with, get your head out of cricinfo and watch the game
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So, basically, I read one excuse for a "low-scoring" series, another for a "watch the game instead" series, a third for "what if he skipped it" series.

One of these days I might get around to showing why the likes of Sachin, Miandad, Gavaskar, and Dravid - all subcontinental ATGs - did not have to behind such excuses ....

But that day is not today.
 
Ironcat said:
You need to do your research.

1. Kohli played most of his career by his 41st test at #4 and #5. He played the most at #4. Those are positions for the specialist batsmen. #4 is likely his long-term position. So, you CAN conclude how he is batting now to predict his future.

Ponting played primarily at #6 followed by at #7. Those positions are neither those of specialist ATG batsmen nor his own long-term positions. Conclude at your own peril.

2. Here are Kohli's averages by series in the last 2 years in chronological order:

vs NZ: 71
vs ENG: 13
vs AUS: 86
vs BD: 14
vs SL: 38
vs SA: 33

There goes your 'England' strawman out of the window.

3. As for "you rely too much on stats", yes, I see that copout all the time once an argument is busted. Here is what YOUR own first response was:

What do you call those things in bold? Contemporary arts? Or Clinical psychology?

Or will "stats" do?
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He averages around 60 in SA. I suspect your 2 year cut off might have something to do with it..
 
street cricketer said:
He averages around 60 in SA. I suspect your 2 year cut off might have something to do with it..
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Correct. In a 2-test series, where practically every batsman - led by Pujara and including Rahane, Faf, ABDV, Petersen, Smith - averaged in 60s.

That's why explaining away - or banking on - individual series is of little use. You shouldn't have to do it when arguing "he will be an ATG in tests in just a matter of time".
 
Kohli is a future great in limited overs format and a very good test batsmen.That's how i can summarize him currently.He has the highest chance to make it to the 50+ avg club in all forms.
 
Ironcat said:
Correct. In a 2-test series, where practically every batsman - led by Pujara and including Rahane, Faf, ABDV, Petersen, Smith - averaged in 60s.

That's why explaining away - or banking on - individual series is of little use. You shouldn't have to do it when arguing "he will be an ATG in tests in just a matter of time".
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How does it matter that they all scored runs? ABD, Rahane and Smith are all top class batsmen and the others are good atleast in their home.

Anyway, till now Kohli is a level below Smith and Williamson in tests. He has performed well in Australia, SA, NZ but has been patchy but not poor at home and in SL. He has been poor in England, mainly due to his flaw in technique. But so far, neither his career has been extraordinary nor been ordinary. It's somewhere in between. He needs to perform consistently in his home and correct his figures in England when he tours next time and I expect him to do that mainly due to his incredible work ethic.
 
street cricketer said:
How does it matter that they all scored runs? ABD, Rahane and Smith are all top class batsmen and the others are good atleast in their home.

Anyway, till now Kohli is a level below Smith and Williamson in tests. He has performed well in Australia, SA, NZ but has been patchy but not poor at home and in SL. He has been poor in England, mainly due to his flaw in technique. But so far, neither his career has been extraordinary nor been ordinary. It's somewhere in between. He needs to perform consistently in his home and correct his figures in England when he tours next time and I expect him to do that mainly due to his incredible work ethic.
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What do you suppose the premise of that post was?

The part you picked up was in a chain of arguments starting from a claim "Kohli will be an ATG in tests, as it's just a matter of time" - which I challenged.

No one is calling ABD, Rahane, or G Smith ATGs (or ATGs-in-making). Anyone brings up the SA series (or any series) in support of Kohli's stature risks rebuttals through comparisons with other players who should then merit the same stature.
 
Sachin136 said:
So according to you English is the only benchmark for Asian batsmen? Do performances only matter if they are in the country with the lowest batting averages?
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No, to me ALL teams are the benchmark for any batsmen. Which is why I talked about Kohli averaging 44, never even mentioning that he averages 11 over 8 matches in England. What I am against is saying that ''only Eng, Aus and NZ'' matter, and I proved that wrong seeing as both Aus and NZ have been places where a lot of runs are scored.
 
aniket1911 said:
I am talking more in light of current SA-IND series
Filter the result from 2015 onwards and see for yourelf.
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This is a moot point because Kohli has been averaging under 50 since 2011, not since the SA-Ind series.
 
Zak_Fan said:
Kohli averages near 70 in Aus, SA and NZ.

I call that living up to expectations.

Here is Kohli compared to what other top batsmen like Sanga, Williamson, Root etc did against AUs/SA in their own backyard. Kohli is in a league of his own, and I am amazed that you don't want to credit him for this.

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Because it's useless to judge a player based on what he does in a single country, even more so a country where a lot of runs are scored? Even your list proves that. All the top of the list guys are those who played the same high-scoring series as Kohli. BTW, you don't want to include the 2010 series where Indians also scored at 50+ averages even without Kohli? I guess Sehwag is now the best player of fast bowling ever since he averaged 96 over 2 matches against SA (while Kohli averages 60 over 2 matches). Or Dhoni with his average or 81 over 2 matches?

Kohli averages 60 over 10 matches here, he averages 10 over 8 matches in England, does that make him an ATG or a tail-ender? You can make stats say anything by being nitpicky. The reality is that he is neither an ATG nor a tail-ender, he's a guy who averages 44 over 40 matches. In other words an average test batsman.
 
endymion248 said:
This is a moot point because Kohli has been averaging under 50 since 2011, not since the SA-Ind series.
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Kohli in test rised from 2013 onwards and it will be unfair to him to take his previous records when he was struggling in tests.
Consider smith failing on spicy bouncy Australian pitches(hypothetical) and saying he was averaging bad since 2011 when he was considered worst Australian batsman to play the game.
 
Lol people get carried away don't they ?
 
Those are just amazing numbers from Kohli. Just needs to sort out his Test batting and it would be an incredible feat.
 
Kohli may get there , but do not see him having 50 average in all formats for long.
 
Kohli may well end up averaging 50-55 in tests

but eventually in ODI's he'll fall to 45ish by next 100-150 games, it'd be unreal if he manages to get over 300-350 games with 50 average.

In T20's again, even more difficult. However he has every chance to get there, it'd however be unrealistic to expect him or anyone with sizeable amount of games in all 3 formats to average 50+.
 
Well Kohli has certainly shown that you can average 50+ in T20s without being selfish.
 
Kohli has been bradmanesque in T20 format.. Doubt it he would be able to keep it up for long
 
BabarAkmal_Fan said:
Babar isn't selfish.
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Babar is a very fine young batsman but averages after such a small number of games don't really mean anything. Let's see if he can sustain it after a couple of years.

It will be wonderful for Pakistan if Babar can maintain a 40+ average ODIs at a 90+ SR. We have yearned for a batsman like that for years.
 
Cricfan4eva said:
Kohli may well end up averaging 50-55 in tests

but eventually in ODI's he'll fall to 45ish by next 100-150 games, it'd be unreal if he manages to get over 300-350 games with 50 average.

In T20's again, even more difficult. However he has every chance to get there, it'd however be unrealistic to expect him or anyone with sizeable amount of games in all 3 formats to average 50+.
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Kohli's incredible efficiency in Limited Overs cricket makes it practically impossible for him to have that average drop below 50, and he has already had a considerable lean patch in 2015 so I don't think he is going to through another one any time soon.

He plays high percentage shots so consistently which is why he is the best Limited Overs batsman in the world and will probably end up as the greatest ever.

In Tests, his average has gone up to 46 already and will surely be close to 50 by the time India ends their home season.

Definitely has the most legitimate claim of becoming the first and perhaps the only batsman in history to retire with a 50+ average in all formats.
 
Mamoon said:
Kohli's incredible efficiency in Limited Overs cricket makes it practically impossible for him to have that average drop below 50, and he has already had a considerable lean patch in 2015 so I don't think he is going to through another one any time soon.

He plays high percentage shots so consistently which is why he is the best Limited Overs batsman in the world and will probably end up as the greatest ever.

In Tests, his average has gone up to 46 already and will surely be close to 50 by the time India ends their home season.

Definitely has the most legitimate claim of becoming the first and perhaps the only batsman in history to retire with a 50+ average in all formats.
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In tests its easy to maintain an average over 50 because well you dont have to score quickly. And you can rake up bigger scores when you are in good form to make up for poor form even a prolonged one like in case of Sachin.

In ODI's its different. Kohli bats at 3 so to maintain an average of over 50 by the time he finishes up would be unrealistic in today's terms not impossible. If he does that he will definitely be regarded as one of the best ever in ODI cricket.

In T20's again its more difficult, he's had an unbelievable year in T20s, domestically as well but a poor year and it would level the average.

IMO even if he finishes with a 40-45 average in LOI's and over 50 in tests. He'd still end up as a great.
 
Has any other player had an average of 50 across all three formats at any point in their careers? Is Babar the only one to do so?
 
BabarAkmal_Fan said:
Has any other player had an average of 50 across all three formats at any point in their careers? Is Babar the only one to do so?
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Quite possibly! Hope he can keep it that way for a few months at least.

60-odd in tests, 50+ in ODIs and 100+ in T20s, thus far. This thread has reached it's conclusion.
 
It is quite possible actually. Test is of course the easiest format, as you can play at your own pace and reach 50 fairly easily once you are set.

ODI in my opinion is the most difficult as you are required to make 50 with at least a run a ball rate these days. Difficult ask but the very top players can manage it provided they are consistent.

Regarding T20 the best way to average above 50 is by simply not getting out. If a player can bat through the innings at a decent rate, then the man at the other end can play freely and go for the big shots. A prime example of this is Kohli this year in the IPL and against Australia at the world T20. He batted till the end at a good rate which allowed batsmen at the other end to play without pressure and this helped his team chase well and rack up big totals.

Currently I think there are a select few players that are capable of accomplishing this. These are Kohli, Root and Babar if he continues to improve in the coming years. If I had to choose one it would be Virat as he is amazing at T20 and should only get better at ODI and tests if all goes well.
 
Bilal7 said:
Quite possibly! Hope he can keep it that way for a few months at least.

60-odd in tests, 50+ in ODIs and 100+ in T20s, thus far. This thread has reached it's conclusion.
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His average is now below 50 after his first test, so this thread still has some way to go.
 
Kohli still has a long way to go to average 50+ in tests. He would need consistency + big knocks to get that.

Moreover, it will be hard for him to maintain 50 avg in t20s too. Imagine him scoring at 33-35 avg at SR of 130 and still winning games. They are good numbers for t20s but still his average would end up dropping a lot in t20s.

Actually. the bar is too high on a fair note for a player who is regular part of team, gets to face tougher sides home and away and has played a good sample of games.

If Kohli does it though, it will be a massive achievement. I would keep my expectation lower as the demand is a bit too much.
 
Virat Kohli's average is close to 48 now.. Soon we will see batsmen with 50 plus average in all 3 formats...
 
The way he is going, Kohli will average 50+ in tests by the end of this season. And it is likely to stay there. How quickly has he moved from 45 - 48
 
Watching him bat in the last couple of series', there is no doubt in my mind he is in the same class as Root, Smith, KW, if not above.
 
And if he can maintain 50 plus average with with 50 plus strike rate in tests, fifty plus ODI average with strike rate of 90 plus and even 40 plus average in T20s with 130 plus strike rate when he retire with atleast 100 tests 400 ODIs and 200 T20s, he will be without a shadow of doubt the greatest batsman ever across all formats, even better batsman than bradman, and tendu, and he has realistic chance to pull this off.
 
Ab Fan said:
Kohli still has a long way to go to average 50+ in tests. He would need consistency + big knocks to get that.

Moreover, it will be hard for him to maintain 50 avg in t20s too. Imagine him scoring at 33-35 avg at SR of 130 and still winning games. They are good numbers for t20s but still his average would end up dropping a lot in t20s.

Actually. the bar is too high on a fair note for a player who is regular part of team, gets to face tougher sides home and away and has played a good sample of games.

If Kohli does it though, it will be a massive achievement. I would keep my expectation lower as the demand is a bit too much.
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Has avged 68 in last 10 tests and scored more than 1000 runs. Link : http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...=results;type=batting;view=reverse_cumulative

Just a matter of time that avg goes above 50. Right now its already at 48. It was 44 before start of WI series !! Incredible player. Its a great achievement already to avg 48 + 53 + 57 and overall 51.84 !!!

Overall Stats : http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/253802.html?class=11;template=results;type=batting

He has already scored 40 Intl Hundreds.
 
Virat Kohli deserves it. An almost complete package, hard work plus talent! This guy seems like a breed of either the old strong WI or the old mighty Australians, mental strength wise superior to anyone currently in the game.
 
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Man these are some insane numbers, you can call him whatever you want but these numbers are undeniable, i as a pakistani is so jealouse of such a legend playing for india, pak best current talent is babar, and at best he can manage only 45 plus average in test at 50 plus strike rate in ODIs 40 average at 90 plus strike rate and in t20 30 plus average at 130 plus strike rate it is the best we as pakistani fan can hope, but it still shows the difference in ceiling of our best talent and indian best talent. So no competition in this regard.
 
Kohli has the same issue in tests that he does in LOIs. He is a much better chaser, and the way to have a top batting average in tests is by scoring big in first innings.

1st match innings 2011-2016 27 27 0 1165 211 43.142016 57.78 4 2 2 141 1 view innings
2nd match innings 2011-2016 22 21 1 1383 169 69.152647 52.24 8 3 0 152 5 view innings
3rd match innings 2011-2016 23 23 0 625 96 27.17 1327 47.09 0 4 1 69 1 view innings
4th match innings 2011-2016 17 15 4 718 141 65.27 1171 61.31 2 4 1 89 3 view innings

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Zeshan547 said:
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Man these are some insane numbers, you can call him whatever you want but these numbers are undeniable, i as a pakistani is so jealouse of such a legend playing for india, pak best current talent is babar, and at best he can manage only 45 plus average in test at 50 plus strike rate in ODIs 40 average at 90 plus strike rate and in t20 30 plus average at 130 plus strike rate it is the best we as pakistani fan can hope, but it still shows the difference in ceiling of our best talent and indian best talent. So no competition in this regard.
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It is likely that Kohli's family are originally from the part of the world that is now Pakistan. I say this as many Punjabis (like Bengalis) in Delhi are children and grandchildren of refugees. Just imagine, if fate had decreed otherwise he may have been playing for your team :)
 
Napa said:
It is likely that Kohli's family are originally from the part of the world that is now Pakistan. I say this as many Punjabis (like Bengalis) in Delhi are children and grandchildren of refugees. Just imagine, if fate had decreed otherwise he may have been playing for your team :)
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If Kohli was in Pakistan, he would have been nowhere near the level he is at today, because the Indian setup provides much better education for batsmen.

Unlike fast bowlers, batsmen rarely ride on natural talent. It's a process. Of course natural ability makes a difference, and that's why the system that produced Kohli also produced Rohan Gavaskar, who had better access to coaching than Kohli from his childhood.

Kohli in Pakistan would have been better than Akmal and Shehzad for sure, but he would probably have finished at Inzi/MoYo/Miandad level and not the Tendulkar level.

In addition, due to his short-tempered nature and aggression, he would have been fined and suspended multiple times and would have had spats with many coaches and chairmen.

Ijaz Butt and Waqar in particular would have had a lot of issues with him.
 
Nope,don't think can be happen if player play at least 50 match in every format. Average maintaining is impossible over 50 throughout career in all three format.
 
Nil Dhumrojal said:
Nope,don't think can be happen if player play at least 50 match in every format. Average maintaining is impossible over 50 throughout career in all three format.
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Question is not about whether someone can maintain and end with 50 avg in all 3 formats. It's a query can someone reach that milestone after playing considerable number of matches in each format.
 
Mamoon said:
If Kohli was in Pakistan, he would have been nowhere near the level he is at today, because the Indian setup provides much better education for batsmen.

Unlike fast bowlers, batsmen rarely ride on natural talent. It's a process. Of course natural ability makes a difference, and that's why the system that produced Kohli also produced Rohan Gavaskar, who had better access to coaching than Kohli from his childhood.

Kohli in Pakistan would have been better than Akmal and Shehzad for sure, but he would probably have finished at Inzi/MoYo/Miandad level and not the Tendulkar level.

In addition, due to his short-tempered nature and aggression, he would have been fined and suspended multiple times and would have had spats with many coaches and chairmen.

Ijaz Butt and Waqar in particular would have had a lot of issues with him.
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Yes, yes... I agree with you that the system is very important. I would say that the Indian system has improved considerably as the sport has become more professional. Indian selectors back in the 1970s and 80s were quite political and partisan. The idea of Kohli playing for Pakistan was just a "alternate history" sort of fantasy, not a serious proposition.
 
Napa said:
Yes, yes... I agree with you that the system is very important. I would say that the Indian system has improved considerably as the sport has become more professional. Indian selectors back in the 1970s and 80s were quite political and partisan. The idea of Kohli playing for Pakistan was just a "alternate history" sort of fantasy, not a serious proposition.
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True about the system .. I watched the commentary on the Hameed Runout in the 2nd test by Jayant-Saha.. Ravi Shastri/Sanjay was saying that the BCCI has ensured lush outfields in most of the Domestic grounds and that is the main reason for the improvement in Indian fielding standards.. As much as we like to criticize the BCCI's high handedness & despotic nature, they have invested a lot in improving Indian cricket .. Compare that to the sheer incompetency and self serving nature of India's other sports boards.. And we keep criticizing why other sports never develop in India ... !
 
Kohli is unbelievable.

As close to a complete batsman as this game has seen IMO.

The fact he's this close is itself crazy with so many games played.
 
Maintaining 50+ in T20s would be the toughest.
 
Kakar said:
Maintaining 50+ in T20s would be the toughest.
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It's impossible. Imo Kohli will get to 50+ in tests and will maintain in ODIs, but it's only a matter of time before it drops to 40s in t20s. The format doesn't allow for high averages. Kohli had a freak run this year, but he can't do it all through his career. No one can.
 
OS_89 said:
It's impossible. Imo Kohli will get to 50+ in tests and will maintain in ODIs, but it's only a matter of time before it drops to 40s in t20s. The format doesn't allow for high averages. Kohli had a freak run this year, but he can't do it all through his career. No one can.
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I think part of the reason he averages so much in T20s is because he does not play in the air and hence stays mostly not out
 
OS_89 said:
It's impossible. Imo Kohli will get to 50+ in tests and will maintain in ODIs, but it's only a matter of time before it drops to 40s in t20s. The format doesn't allow for high averages. Kohli had a freak run this year, but he can't do it all through his career. No one can.
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It is not impossible. In reality the format is 20 overs and a player like Kohli can easily bat through these as we have seen a few times.

He more or less anchors the innings and is happy to remain not out with the player at the other end going for the big shots. Also he takes much less risk as many of his runs come from ground strokes and quick running between the wickets so he is less likely to be out going big.
 
The way he has batted in t20s so far is not much different to his game in ODIs, don't see why he shouldn't be able to maintain it.

One of the few players who doesn't have to take crazy risks like an ABD for instance (who has quite an underwhelming t20 record for someone of his abilities) who has to risk lobbing the ball in the air to clear the fence.

He's at the peak of his powers atm. Has the uncanny ability to pick gaps at will like he did vs Aus few months back even with RR rising and wickets falling.
 
Maintaining a 50 plus average in T20s wont be easy. Kohli is probably the only batter who will average 50 plus in all 3 formats of the current generation. Quite a few will average 50 plus in odis and tests though but not all 3.
 
Hasan123 said:
Maintaining a 50 plus average in T20s wont be easy. Kohli is probably the only batter who will average 50 plus in all 3 formats of the current generation. Quite a few will average 50 plus in odis and tests though but not all 3.
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Leave 3 formats, it's extremely tough to average 50 even in 2 formats. Look at the current avg's of leading players from all test playing nations -

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Steve - 57 and 41
Warner - 48 and 41
Dekock - 54 and 43
Dhoni - 38 and 50
Kane - 49 and 46
Root - 53 and 45
Bairstow - 41 and 30
Buttler - 30 and 38
Azhar - 45 and 40
Asad - 41 and 25
Babar - 31 and 52
Guptill - 29 and 42
Ross - 46 and 43
Chandimal - 44 and 34
Angelo - 47 and 40
Bravo - 40 and 32
ABD - 50 and 53
Amla - 50 and 51
DuPlessis - 41 and 40
Tamim - 40 and 32
Shakib - 39 and 34
Ervine - 33 and 37
Williams - 30 and 32

Only 2 players avg 50 in both formats & even they are on the edge with their test avg dipping :shehzad
 
Cricfan4eva said:
Kohli may well end up averaging 50-55 in tests

but eventually in ODI's he'll fall to 45ish by next 100-150 games, it'd be unreal if he manages to get over 300-350 games with 50 average.

In T20's again, even more difficult. However he has every chance to get there, it'd however be unrealistic to expect him or anyone with sizeable amount of games in all 3 formats to average 50+.
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Kohli is relentless, its tough to kerp him fown.

Has talent , discipline and great work ethics.
 
jeetu said:
I doubt that. But i can hope. During Tendulkar's peak phase many experts thought he would end up with 60+ test average.
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Also those who said that never in their wildest dreams imagined that he would go on to play 200 Tests and 450 ODIs.

But yet Tendulkar came close ... he had a 19 yr stretch where he avged nearly 59 over 164 Test matches. No one has scored that many runs in their career yet !

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...2;spanval2=span;template=results;type=batting

Thats one hell of a peak despite a serious injury that robbed 2 yrs ...that and the relentless expectations from the over enthusiastic adoring fanbase that just wanted him to get to his 100th 100 after the WC 2011 is what hurt him the most.

That said I really believe that Kohli will scale new heights because of his extraordinary fitness levels ... the next 5-8 yrs will provide some glorious moments for Indian fans. :)
 
Tusker said:
That said I really believe that Kohli will scale new heights because of his extraordinary fitness levels ... the next 5-8 yrs will provide some glorious moments for Indian fans. :)
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True ! Kohli I believe will outlast the other Big4 simply because he has the Drive and Determination a bit more than the other top bats of now (ABD prime example). Also he wont fade away as he ages, because like Tendulkar I fully expect him to alter his game to keep contributing to the team . He doesn't let his ego get in the way of results . Unless of course some freak injury / captiancy issues occurs.
 
SandyB said:
True ! Kohli I believe will outlast the other Big4 simply because he has the Drive and Determination a bit more than the other top bats of now (ABD prime example). Also he wont fade away as he ages, because like Tendulkar I fully expect him to alter his game to keep contributing to the team . He doesn't let his ego get in the way of results . Unless of course some freak injury / captiancy issues occurs.
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Agreed. I just hope that our bowlers will step up too ... would be a great shame to see all his efforts laid to waste by popgun attacks :(
 
Kohli needs atleast 209 runs to get to 50 avg in the next innings, if he gets out or 159 if he remains not out. :D
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
who knew a Pakistani would be the first one to achieve this feat :yk
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This is kind of like asking "Will there ever be a Test batsman who will average 150+?", and then giving the answer "Gavaskar". Indeed, Gavaskar's average after his second Test was about 56% more than Bradman's lifetime average.
 
Napa said:
This is kind of like asking "Will there ever be a Test batsman who will average 150+?", and then giving the answer "Gavaskar". Indeed, Gavaskar's average after his second Test was about 56% more than Bradman's lifetime average.
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Actually I undersold Gavaskar a bit. Over the entire series (4 rather than just 2 Tests), the first series of his illustrious career, and against the then formidable WI his average was 154.80 and total runs of 774.

We may indeed never see another batsman who averaged 150+ in Tests after having completed at least one Test Series against a top 3 Test playing nation.
 
Napa said:
This is kind of like asking "Will there ever be a Test batsman who will average 150+?", and then giving the answer "Gavaskar". Indeed, Gavaskar's average after his second Test was about 56% more than Bradman's lifetime average.
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Napa said:
Actually I undersold Gavaskar a bit. Over the entire series (4 rather than just 2 Tests), the first series of his illustrious career, and against the then formidable WI his average was 154.80 and total runs of 774.

We may indeed never see another batsman who averaged 150+ in Tests after having completed at least one Test Series against a top 3 Test playing nation.
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It was a joke yar !! Relax Buddy :yk3
 
Over a large sample set - at least 50 tests, 100 ODIs and 50 T20s - No.

Kohli will be the closest at that sample set, but he won't be able to maintain the average by the time he gets to 50 T20s.
 
Sidilicious said:
Over a large sample set - at least 50 tests, 100 ODIs and 50 T20s - No.

Kohli will be the closest at that sample set, but he won't be able to maintain the average by the time he gets to 50 T20s.
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He averages 57 after 45 t20's. I don't think it will fall below 50 even if he fails in next 5 matches.
 
Sidilicious said:
Over a large sample set - at least 50 tests, 100 ODIs and 50 T20s - No.

Kohli will be the closest at that sample set, but he won't be able to maintain the average by the time he gets to 50 T20s.
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Kohli averages 57 after 45 T20Is. I can certainly see him staying above 50 after 5 more matches.
 
Well done Babar, very good start to his career.

Hopefully we will have a second entrant by end of play today.
 
If one plays over a longer period of time I doubt very few may get 50 average in both Test and OD .
 
The answer to this thread yet again, is Babar Azam. Kohli can become the second batsman to get to this landmark though.
 
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