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Today, we have batsmen like Hashim Amla and de Villiers who average 50 in both Tests and ODIs (de Villiers averages 49 in ODIs but he'll get there of course).

Mike Hussey averaged 50 in Tests and ODIs for the most part of his career but his ODI averaged dropped to 48 by the time he retired.

Someone like Kohli should get there as well, he averages 51 in ODIs and 41 in Tests (over 50 this year).

Clarke can get the 50 mark in ODIs, he has been really good in recent years but perhaps doesn't have enough time left in ODIs, will most likely retire after the 2015 World Cup.

So as we've seen, averaging 50 in both Tests and ODIs at the same time isn't outlandish, but will we get to see a batsman who will go one step further and average 50 in T20s as well?

Where will that feat rank him in the history of cricket?

Also, can the statsgurus do a bit of work and illustrate who averages highest across all three formats?

I believe de Villiers, Kohli and Amla will be top 3 in that order perhaps, although not sure about that.
 
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Surely it would be near impossible to average 50 in T20s. It would require a Bradmanesque player.
 
Pantani said:
Surely it would be near impossible to average 50 in T20s. It would require a Bradmanesque player.
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Bradmanesque...? T20 never need technique.. Just need pure hitting skills.. Thats why Amla failed a bit in T20...
 
Averaging 50 in T20's is impossible, unless you're playing against one professional team and three minnows like Bradman :D

I dont think anyone will retire with 50+ averages across all three formats.

However there have been players who have averaged 50+, combining both Tests/ODI's for a significant period of time, lets take 10+ years as a minimum barrier.

And lets take batsmen who are widely considered to the be the best across both formats as examples -

1 - Viv Richards averaged 53.72 scoring 12929 runs in 239 ODIs and Tests during a span of 13 years between 1976-1988 scoring 33 tons in total. Miandad too averaged 50+ across both formats during this era.

2 - Sachin Tendulkar averaged 50.61 scoring 32087 runs in 600 ODIs and Tests during a span of 20 years between 1992-2011 scoring 98 tons in total.

Kallis,ABDV, Amla already average 50+ across both formats i think. Kallis has maintained it for a good 13-14 years too.
 
That's a silly question when you included T20. T20 can be heavily inflated by not outs and averages don't prove anything in that form. Its more to do with the strike rates.

Maybe in ODIs and Tests but T20 (Pyjama Cricket) yeah right.
 
Doesn't Phillip Hughes average 50+ in T20s?

The fact that most players play so much T20 cricket these days, big scores won't usually cause a big jump in averages.
 
No one cares about what your average is in T20s.

It's high risk batting and it will not always work. It's more about high strike rate.

Anyway T20s should not be taken seriously, it's only good to give new players a platform.
 
Here is a list of players with highest avg since the start of format, qualification 15 matches.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...ualval1=innings;template=results;type=batting

hales has 39.11
hussey has 37.94
petierson has 37.93
misbah has 37.52
dumminy has 35.68

So lets see how the other have done in different formats.
Hales has yet to play ODI or test matches.
hussey might have been the closest thing as he avg over 50 in tests and 48 in ODI.
kevin avg 47 and 40 in tests. I dont think it will go up massively.
misbah avg 46 in tests and 44 in ODI. As he is no longer playing T20 so he is out.
dumminy avg 35 in tests and 39 in ODI. I dont think he will avg soo much.

Well kohli avgs 34 in that format. I dont think it will go over 40 even if he becomes a beast in it. Amla avgs 24.
 
N.B.K.Q-95 said:
Forget about T20I.

Is there anyone who averages 50+ in domestic T20s?
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Phil Hughes average 52.78 in domestic T20s with a SR of 120 and sample is good when we consider he already scored 1000 runs in domestic t20s.

Our very own Haris Sohail average 60 in domestic t20s although he got more not out innings i mean 11 not outs in 21 innings.
 
Averaging 50 in a T20 is no joke.
A player averaging 50+ in Test / ODI and 35+ in T20I would be a great.
 
What about that one guy from the West Indies? I forgot his name... Chris Fayle, was it?
 
An average in T20 is possible, i mean look at the history of ODI 20 years ago a average of 37+ was considered very good now the bar has been raised to 50+.

But i think that will come the more and more t20 players play, i reckon in about 15-20 years the lads growing up with t20 just as i did with ODI will set big totals. (if fast bowling stocks continue to decline). This will lead to an obvious increase in averages.
 
Only way to average +50 in T20s is hit 20*/20*/10* in three consecutive matches and remain not out, and keep the cycle going (or 40*/10* - 5*/45* - in two matches etc).
In Pak domestic, Haris Sohail averages +60 in T20s, because he either hit low scores and remains NO or hits 50s (but you can see a SR of not even 110 ; so you need to be a bit "selfish".)
 
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I agree that you need to be a tad selfish if you're going to average 50 in T20s or perhaps score regularly at a strike rate of 130+.
 
Energetic said:
That's a silly question when you included T20. T20 can be heavily inflated by not outs and averages don't prove anything in that form. Its more to do with the strike rates.

Maybe in ODIs and Tests but T20 (Pyjama Cricket) yeah right.
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Yes but to average 50 in this format will be an achievement nonetheless. The most difficult format to sustain a high average especially for a top order batsman.
 
Although sample is not big enough but there is one player who average 50+ in T20I and Tests after his career is over and that is Matthew Hayden. He scored 4 fifties in 9 T20Is he played and scored 308 runs with an average of 51.33
 
Finch at the moment average 52 in T20I but i dont think he is going to average that much in ODIs and he is still waiting for Test cap.
 
WebGuru said:
Although sample is not big enough but there is one player who average 50+ in T20I and Tests after his career is over and that is Matthew Hayden. He scored 4 fifties in 9 T20Is he played and scored 308 runs with an average of 51.33
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43.80 in ODIs, closest anyone has come to achieving the highly impressive feat :shafiq
 
WebGuru said:
Phil Hughes average 52.78 in domestic T20s with a SR of 120 and sample is good when we consider he already scored 1000 runs in domestic t20s.

Our very own Haris Sohail average 60 in domestic t20s although he got more not out innings i mean 11 not outs in 21 innings.
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And i think chris gayle averages about 45 in domestic t20s
 
WebGuru said:
Although sample is not big enough but there is one player who average 50 in T20I and Tests after his career is over and that is Matthew Hayden. He scored 4 fifties in 9 T20Is he played and scored 308 runs with an average of 51.33
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Matthew Hayden >>>>>> Giant Killer..
 
Smbhayi said:
Bradmanesque...? T20 never need technique.. Just need pure hitting skills.. Thats why Amla failed a bit in T20...
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It's the nature of the format that would make it difficult to average 50. A 15 ball 30 is worth way more than a 40 ball 50. Also batsmen take way too many risks to be able to average 50. In theory it's easy enough to do if you play cautiously, but you'd never get another match if you waste 50-60 balls to get to 50.

Or you could bat low down the order and collect loads of not outs. :msd
 
Don't think anyone will be able to do it, especially if the player in question plays more than 20 matches. Averaging 50+ in both tests and ODIs is a big enough achievement.
 
Thing is, a batsman who's great at T20's won't be great in both the other formats so guys like Gayle, Finch and Haris are out of the equation.
 
Haris Sohail averages 60, even though his strike rate is low but still he plays according to situation and can push strike rate up when needed, the overall SR is low because he plays slow chasing those small targets.
 
Bilal7 said:
Thing is, a batsman who's great at T20's won't be great in both the other formats so guys like Gayle, Finch and Haris are out of the equation.
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Haris Sohail Averages 52 in FC. :) This guy has some beastly stats
 
Bilal7 said:
Thing is, a batsman who's great at T20's won't be great in both the other formats so guys like Gayle, Finch and Haris are out of the equation.
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To average 50 in T20s, he could be an Amla type opener who will hang around till the 15th over every other game scoring a 40 ball half century.

Yes he'll be deemed selfish but just wondering if its possible.
 
Mamoon_ said:
To average 50 in T20s, he could be an Amla type opener who will hang around till the 15th over every other game scoring a 40 ball half century.

Yes he'll be deemed selfish but just wondering if its possible.
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anchoring or run a ball play not bad in T20 too.. Do you remember 400+ game AUS vs SA...? ABD score only 14 odd runs even Str under 100 in that match.. But his partnership with Gibs is a vital one..
 
Impossible.
Kohli will probably come closest- 50+ test, 50+ ODI and 40+ T20i
 
It'll be too difficult to maintain an average of 50 in T20I's.

Should easily do it in ODI's and Tests.
 
Kohli now average 50 in both ODI and T20I so now he need to score heavily in Tests and get his average to 50+ from 44.
 
Kohli can easily maintain his 50 average in T20I because of upcomming T20 series against Lanka at home than Asia Cup and than World T20 at home.
 
Strike Rate said:
Kohli can easily maintain his 50 average in T20I because of upcomming T20 series against Lanka at home than Asia Cup and than World T20 at home.
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He should rest the SL series in all honesty. We must test our middle order and with Kohli and Rohit on top, hardly anyone get a chance to bat in lower order.

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Well if anyone ever had a chance of getting this feat, I would have guessed M. Hafeez to have been the most likeliest -- but obviously this was conditional on Congo, Hong Kong, Nigeria, Mongolia and Ethiopia all being granted international status by the ICC... this may well still happen in our lifetimes, as Hafeez can easily play for the next 10-15 years and his hunger for runs against such exotic cricketing nations is well known to all. :)
 
Incredible stuff from Kohli.

Averaging 50 in T20s is kind of insane.
 
To be honest, average doesn't matter in T20s.. It's the strike rate that's more important. 30 in 10 balls is more valuable than 60 in 40 balls.
 
With the kind of Test pitches we prepare, I am quite sure that Kohli will not average 50 in Tests for a couple of years atleast.
 
Kohli should play a 5 match series in Australia to bring his test average to 50.. :))
 
Look at some posters above who said it's impossible. Pretty sure i would have said the same some years ago.
Comeon kohli do it for mamoon. :ghalib
 
Don't care if he retains an average over 50 in t20 but he should definitely increase his test average over 50


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Zak_Fan said:
With the kind of Test pitches we prepare, I am quite sure that Kohli will not average 50 in Tests for a couple of years atleast.
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You're saying that like he is averaging 50 away from home. His home average is three runs higher than away average. Truth is simply that, while the best batsman in the world in LOI, Kohli never lived up to expectations in tests. An average of 44 for a 27 years old indian batsman in this era is disappointing at best.
 
endymion248 said:
You're saying that like he is averaging 50 away from home. His home average is three runs higher than away average. Truth is simply that, while the best batsman in the world in LOI, Kohli never lived up to expectations in tests. An average of 44 for a 27 years old indian batsman in this era is disappointing at best.
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You misunderstood him. Nowadays each batsman bully at home but Indian pitches are too spicy nowadays for him to bully his home conditions.
 
endymion248 said:
You're saying that like he is averaging 50 away from home. His home average is three runs higher than away average. Truth is simply that, while the best batsman in the world in LOI, Kohli never lived up to expectations in tests. An average of 44 for a 27 years old indian batsman in this era is disappointing at best.
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Averages 62 in Australia, 72+ in NZ, 68 in South Africa. So I am quite sure that he lived up to the expectations in Tests. England is the only relevant nation he failed in, and he can improve.
 
Even Kohli can't maintain 50 in T20s. He might reach there in tests (which I doubt though) but it's pretty difficult in T20s.
 
aniket1911 said:
You misunderstood him. Nowadays each batsman bully at home but Indian pitches are too spicy nowadays for him to bully his home conditions.
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Only Australian batsmen bully at home. The rest have similar home average/away average ratio than India, if not lower. The home averages are similar to India's and, when they are higher, so are the away averages.

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Zak_Fan said:
Averages 62 in Australia, 72+ in NZ, 68 in South Africa. So I am quite sure that he lived up to the expectations in Tests. England is the only relevant nation he failed in, and he can improve.
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How do you choose these ''relevant nations''? Because they are hard to score in for batsmen? New Zealand and Australia have the highest amount of runs scored per match in the last 3 years, how does that make them ''relevant'' to judge a player's ability? England is ''the only relevant'' nations which has produced challenging wickets (see my post above).
 
Would have averaged over fifty in Tests as well if it wasn't for that one miserable series - but everyone goes through a phase like that at some point. I'm sure that he'll be able to bring up his average very soon.

But some Pakistani people obviously would not want to praise him because of some very obvious reasons.
 
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Nobody will finish with a career avg of over 50 across 3 formats.

The best hope kohli has is to retire from international t20 after wc
 
endymion248 said:
How do you choose these ''relevant nations''? Because they are hard to score in for batsmen? New Zealand and Australia have the highest amount of runs scored per match in the last 3 years, how does that make them ''relevant'' to judge a player's ability? England is ''the only relevant'' nations which has produced challenging wickets (see my post above).
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Check how many of those runs are scored by visiting batsmen and how many are scored by Aussie ones.

Facing Australian or South African bowlers in their backyard is extremely tough, and Kohli had phenomenal success there.
 
Zak_Fan said:
Check how many of those runs are scored by visiting batsmen and how many are scored by Aussie ones.

Facing Australian or South African bowlers in their backyard is extremely tough, and Kohli had phenomenal success there.
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The averages of visiting teams in Australia and South Africa are still much higher than visiting teams in England or India over the last 3 years.

Not as tough as English bowlers, apparently.

Not to take away anything from Kohli's performance in Australia but you can't honestly say that he has been good in tests considering his overall performance.
 
endymion248 said:
The averages of visiting teams in Australia and South Africa are still much higher than visiting teams in England or India over the last 3 years.

Not as tough as English bowlers, apparently.

Not to take away anything from Kohli's performance in Australia but you can't honestly say that he has been good in tests considering his overall performance.
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So according to you English is the only benchmark for Asian batsmen? Do performances only matter if they are in the country with the lowest batting averages?
 
endymion248 said:
Only Australian batsmen bully at home. The rest have similar home average/away average ratio than India, if not lower. The home averages are similar to India's and, when they are higher, so are the away averages.

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I am talking more in light of current SA-IND series
Filter the result from 2015 onwards and see for yourelf.
 
endymion248 said:
The averages of visiting teams in Australia and South Africa are still much higher than visiting teams in England or India over the last 3 years.

Not as tough as English bowlers, apparently.

Not to take away anything from Kohli's performance in Australia but you can't honestly say that he has been good in tests considering his overall performance.
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Kohli averages near 70 in Aus, SA and NZ.

I call that living up to expectations.

Here is Kohli compared to what other top batsmen like Sanga, Williamson, Root etc did against AUs/SA in their own backyard. Kohli is in a league of his own, and I am amazed that you don't want to credit him for this.

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Difficult to average 50 in T20s even if someone is a great T20 player. I think Equivalent of 50 average in T20s is around 35 at S/R of 130+.
 
Averaging 50+ in T20s = not taking enough risks for that format. 50+ runs at a 120 SR = ~45 deliveries. Out of the total possible 120. And that in EVERY game.

Kohli is likely NOT going to average 50+ in tests. Or if he does, he will just marginally be there like Hussey did.

His test average has basically stalled in the 40s. He takes way too many risks in tests to be in the same bracket as other top test players.

An excellent test and ODI player should target a 40-45 ODI average and a 50-55 test average.
 
Ironcat said:
Averaging 50+ in T20s = not taking enough risks for that format. 50+ runs at a 120 SR = ~45 deliveries. Out of the total possible 120. And that in EVERY game.

Kohli is likely NOT going to average 50+ in tests. Or if he does, he will just marginally be there like Hussey did.

His test average has basically stalled in the 40s. He takes way too many risks in tests to be in the same bracket as other top test players.

An excellent test and ODI player should target a 40-45 ODI average and a 50-55 test average.
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kohli's strike rate in t20s is 137, 50 @137 is great, plus kohli is definitely going to end up an ATG in tests with an average above 50, it is only a matter of time
 
carrom_ball said:
kohli's strike rate in t20s is 137, 50 @137 is great, plus kohli is definitely going to end up an ATG in tests with an average above 50, it is only a matter of time
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Yes, I heard that two years ago as well.

Though - with pretty much all home tests to come this year - the 50 test average might just get there ... even if temporarily.
 
Ironcat said:
Yes, I heard that two years ago as well.

Though - with pretty much all home tests to come this year - the 50 test average might just get there ... even if temporarily.
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And he is just 27, batsman peak at 30, he has an average of 44 which is not bad, and cut the crap about home tests when he averages freakin 60+ in aus, nz and south africa combined, scoring in India is more difficult than away these days, abdv managed just 36 on the last tour and the less said about amla the better
 
carrom_ball said:
And he is just 27, batsman peak at 30, he has an average of 44 which is not bad, and cut the crap about home tests when he averages freakin 60+ in aus, nz and south africa combined, scoring in India is more difficult than away these days, abdv managed just 36 on the last tour and the less said about amla the better
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There is a difference between an average which is "not that bad" and average that actually indicates a future ATG.

As a specialist batsman, Sachin was averaging 55 after his 41st test.

Dravid was averaging 53.

Gavaskar - in his era - was averaging 54. Miandad 53.
 
Ironcat said:
That he rightfully would not have been called an ATG-to-be at that stage.
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And yet he ended up as one, Kohli has clearly shown potential to be an ATG by his dominance in other formats and even in away tests, you can't just judge ATG from stats, tendulkar didn't score a single century in his first 73 odis, kohli is averaging close to 50 in the last 3 years and will only improve from here on, he has all the makings of an ATG
 
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