World´s 100 richest people

[Gilly]

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[MattyB]

I agree with what you say. That is why the USA, GB, and Israel feel superior to others and there are the only nations who openly support invading other countries.

But when it comes to the question of morality, a TRUE muslims will reflect the highest moral values.

Please note, of the 1.6 billion Muslims there are very few and far between TRUELY great muslims. In my personal opinion.

Ohh really? So has Argentina not invaded other countries? Has North Korea not invaded other countries? Did Iraq not invade other countries? Have both Pakistan and India not threatened to invade each other? Grow up.

 

[amateurdentist]

I agree with what you say. That is why the USA, GB, and Israel feel superior to others and there are the only nations who openly support invading other countries.

But when it comes to the question of morality, a TRUE muslims will reflect the highest moral values.

Please note, of the 1.6 billion Muslims there are very few and far between TRUELY great muslims. In my personal opinion.

Brother
Remember Iqra bismi Rabbi......the first verse of Quran
Also i want you to study
Quran
any small book of hadith(there are so many Islamic bookstores where you can buy these from. (Always try using bukhari and muslim and tirmidhi i.e authentic hadith books)
Islamic History( A history of the Arabs philip hitti, tareekh al islam by akbar najeebabadi, The heirs of the Prophet Muhammad Barnaby rogerson) and there are many others, Also there are collections of hadith regarding the end of times. the signs we should look out for.
Logic= the more you read the more you excercise your brain and the better you think.
Documentaries= Food Inc., Inside Job, Zietgiest(3 parts), Earthlings, to get an idea about what we are dealing with Also watch Cloud Atlas(2012) to understand the consequences of our actions, the flap of a butterflie's wing can cause a typhoon on the other end of the world
And also websites that i have used as sources for my articles, there are many more of them which you will find for yourselves.

And in the end remember rather than waiting for Imam Mahdi and Hazrat Isa to save us,we should make ourselves worthy of being in their service.
Allah does not change the condition of a people unless they change themselves~Quran And never despair,
for truth has come, falsehood will perish, because falsehood is always going to perish~Quran.

A momin is worth more than a million hypocrite muslims. that is what i learnt from Islamic History.
And increase awareness in others. and be considerate of poor. be gentle with the oppressed and always help orphans and widows. never get angry or abusive then people will not listen to you.
because that is true satisfaction IMO
And Allah knows best.

 

[amateurdentist]

Why the system will lose!

Proof that they are stupid(jaahil) and cowards. 1 momin is worth more than all of them combined.
And also ponder on this question: WHAT IS THE MEANING OF SACRIFICE?

 

[amateurdentist]

Kitne musalmaan mare ge? har ghar se musalmaan nikle ga!!!!

Leaked report: Nearly half of US drone strikes in Pakistan not against al-Qaeda

A trove of leaked classified reports has confirmed what many had suspected – US drone kills in Pakistan are not the precision strikes against top-level al-Qaeda terrorists they are portrayed as by the Obama administration.

Instead, many of the attacks are aimed at suspected low-level tribal militants, who may pose no direct danger to the United States – and for many there appears to be little evidence to justify the assassinations.

Top secret documents obtained by McClatchy newspapers in the US show the locations, identities and numbers of those attacked and killed in Pakistan in 2006-8 and 2010-11, as well as explanations for why the targets were picked.

The statistics illustrate the breadth of the US ‘drone doctrine’ – which has never been defined by consecutive US administrations. Between 1,990 and 3,308 people are reported to have been killed in the drone strikes in Pakistan since 2004, the vast majority of them during the Obama terms.

In the 12-month period up to 2011, 43 out of 95 drone strikes in the reports (which give an account of the vast majority of US operations in the country) were not aimed at al-Qaeda at all. And 265 out of 482 people killed in those assassinations, were defined internally as “extremists”.

Indeed, only six of the men killed – less than two percent – were senior al-Qaeda leaders.

Some of the groups include the Haqqani network and the Taliban Movement of Pakistan, both militant organizations, but ones the US did not designate as terrorists until 2012 and 2010 respectively. Neither one has ever conducted an attack on US soil.

It also confirms that attacks during the George W. Bush era, were conducted on targets picked by ISI, Pakistan’s security agency, which has no obligations to comply with US legal criteria.

Furthermore, in some cases it is difficult to confirm that the targets were militants at all.

In the strikes above, the internal reports showed that only one civilian had been killed. But the modus operandi revealed behind the strikes, shows that some of the attacks seem to have been based on the certain people or visitors being present as certain locations, or merely associating with those the US believes were terrorists. This chimes with the accusation that the US is carrying out a policy of “signature strikes” – attacks based on behavior, or “signature” that would be expected of a terrorist, rather than any specific illegal activity.

These “signatures” apparently include such suspicious behavior as taking part in a funeral procession or first responding to an initial drone strike. Last year, the United Nation’s special rapporteur on human rights and counter-terrorism, Ben Emmerson, said it’s believed that, “since President Obama took office, at least 50 civilians were killed in follow-up strikes when they had gone to help victims and more than 20 civilians have also been attacked in deliberate strikes on funerals and mourners.”

The US has previously refused to admit that it operates such a policy.

Some of the assassinations, such as that of, Mohammad, the younger brother of the leader of the Haqqani network, Badruddin, appear to have been simply errors, with the victims branded as terrorists only after the fact.

All this seems to go against the assurance of John Brennan, the former White House counterterrorism chief, and new CIA head, who is the mastermind behind the drone policy

“We only authorize a particular operation against a specific individual if we have a high degree of confidence that the individual being targeted is indeed the terrorist we are pursuing,” Brennan explained a year ago.

Obama’s administration has also said all targets are on a “list of active terrorists,” compiled with “extraordinary care and thoughtfulness”. Obama has also explicitly stated that drones should not carry out “speculative” killings.

But other than when ordering assassinations of US citizens, the President does not have to give full information to the Senate about the basis for any drone attack, much less give it a legal justification.

The latest revelations have unleashed a torrent of protest from experts who believe that the program is extra-judicial, violates Pakistan’s sovereignty, and is counter-productive in the long term.

“I have never seen nor am I aware of any rules of engagement that have been made public that govern the conduct of drone operations in Pakistan, or the identification of individuals and groups other than al Qaida and the Afghan Taliban,” Christopher Swift, a national security law expert from Georgetown University told McClatchy.

“We are doing this on a case-by-case, ad hoc basis, rather than a systematic or strategic basis.”

Micah Zenko, from the Council on Foreign Relations, a foreign policy think tank, went further, and accused the government of“misleading the public about the scope of who can legitimately be targeted.”

He added: “When there is such a disconnect between who the administration says it kills and who it actually kills, that hypocrisy itself is a very dangerous precedent that other countries will emulate.”

Last month Ben Emmerson, after a secret research trip to the country announced that drone strikes violate Pakistan's sovereignty.

Emmerson added that the Pakistani government conveyed to him that it does not consent to the attacks, something that is often challenged in Washington and fuels mass protests in Pakistan.
Drone strikes were first used after the 9/11 attacks from bases in Pakistan and Uzbekistan, in combat missions inside Afghanistan. More than a decade later, Washington has expanded the use of the remotely controlled aircraft into Yemen, Somalia and most of all Pakistan.

The US has carried out countless attacks on targets in northwest Pakistan since 2004 through the CIA’s Special Activities Division. Begun by President George W. Bush, the intensity of the missions has increased under the presidency of Barack Obama.

Islamabad publicly condemns these attacks but is known to have shared intelligence with the US and allowed drones to operate from its territory until April 2011, when NATO forces killed 24 Pakistani soldiers in the Salala incident. WikiLeaks cables also revealed that Pakistan's Army Chief Ashfaq Parvez Kayani sanctioned the flights and in 2008 even asked the CIA for more “Predator coverage.”

Ordinary Pakistanis have also repeatedly protested against these attacks as a violation of its sovereignty and because of immense civilian collateral damage, including the death dozens of women and children.

Source:http://rt.com/news/drones-us-al-qaeda-militants-649/

How can these people defeat islam? Dont get angry at news like this. be patient and ask for God's mercy and HE ALWAYS REMEMBERS THOSE WHO REMEMBER HIM!

 

[shaz619]

Well you have to understand is that you should collect information and advice from all sides and then decide what to do. But you cant do this until you know how the modern keynesian economic system works. This system is the only system of economics applied nowadays.

And I am just like you. Im gna start work and then apparently I HAVE to do postgraduate studies as well which may take 3-4 years. Just to give you an idea. Getting a DDS degree from US costs about $80,000/year for foreigners excluding living food etc...The only way is to get a loan. Now tell me when I take a loan of 30,000 why do I have to pay back 80,000? Because this system cannot survive without usury/Interest. It will die.
As a result this system is designed to cage our minds and bodies to serving it.
Now I realize that we have to still earn $$ because $$ is everything in the modern world. At the same time we have to protect ourselves from the system. We should study into how americans behaved during the bubble and what they bought etc...and just dont do their mistakes so that when the next crash occurs our homes are not foreclosed.

My first advice would be to use, where ever humanly possible, never take a loan unless from family, friends,neighbors etc. Also avoid money you cant see(credit cards).
Dont use banks for making money i.e stock markets etc....because then you would only be strengthening the system. Personally i think it is better to be a little poorer than to do that.
As to where to place your savings. well i think your mattress is as safe a place as any bank at this point in time but I honestly dont know.
You are seeing what is happening in cyprus. When we both actually start saving money, maybe well find solutions.
Thats all i can think of now because like you i havent actually started serving this system just yet. Still have 1 week of freedom left. Ill use it to learn more and I advice you to do the same
Its not easy.This system is at war with Planet earth so it is much stronger then all of us. before taking any decision in our future lives we should probably follow what Jinnah said" Think 100 times before making a decision....."
What do you think? Any advice you want to give me?

In the end just remember whatever you learn about modern economics share it with others so everyone can see the bigger picture. I hope it helps.

Thanks for the information bro, i see where your coming from with the loans. My dad had a business which bascially has ruined him financially it was in a poor location, anways at the same time he had a few properties to and he would take loans on out on one property to the other and put that money into his business which he was obsessed with and now his debt is almost half a million pounds and the properties are on the verge of getting repossesed in the UK. So i would say no matter what never ever take a loan out your better of on the streets, but i have had no choice but to take one out for my university fees because i can't find the funds from anywhere else including a loan to support me with my costs living away from home. I am still in my first year and in the UK if i start earning above £21,000 per year that's when i have to start repaying the loans i took out. Tuition fees in the UK for UK students have rose to £9,000 per year and the maintenance loan i took out is about £3,500 to pay for living costs etc, i worked out via calculator online that in total at uni i would have borrowed around £62,500 and over a 30 year period considering my salary increases every year starting at £21,000 upon graduation i would have paid back £102,595!. I never use a credit card or have ever taken any other loan besides my tuition fee and maintenance loan one, i always use a debit card instead. It is said taking loans out is like starting a war against Allah :/ but i don't know if there is any leniency when it comes to student loans or when people take one out to buy a house which they intend to live in only?.......

 

[amateurdentist]

Just think before you make a decision and always decide with best intentions. And leave rest to God
We all are sinners
there is a hadith qudsi i want you to always remember(the content in my words)
"Satan told Allah- I will continue to lead Humanity astray till the Last Day"
"Allah told Satan- And I will continue to forgive them as long as they ask me for forgiveness"

Allah's mercy knows no bounds

 

[amateurdentist]

Just think before you make a decision and always decide with best intentions. And leave rest to God
We all are sinners
there is a hadith qudsi i want you to always remember(the content in my words)
"Satan told Allah- I will continue to lead Humanity astray till the Last Day"
"Allah told Satan- And I will continue to forgive them as long as they ask Me for forgiveness"

Allah's mercy knows no bounds

 

[GentleMan]

that makes me think, why isnt satan in control of God.. surely satan exists because God has allowed it to exist, for whatever reasons. probably so that satan can test how strong is the faith of the faithful. but God Himself could have tested the faith in many ways. why does Satan exist then?

 

[speed]

(Allah) said: "O Iblees (Satan)! What is your reason for not being among the prostrators?"
(Iblees (Satan)) said: "I am not the one to prostrate myself to a human being, whom You created from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud" (Quran, al-Hijr:32 – 33).

Allah) said: "Then, get out from here, for verily, you are Rajeem (an outcast or a cursed one)." (Tafseer At-Tabaree).
"And verily, the curse shall be upon you till the Day of Recompense (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)" (Quran, al-Hijr: 34 – 35).

(Iblees (Satan)) said: "O my Lord! Give me then respite till the Day they (the dead) will be resurrected."
Allah said: "Then, verily, you are of those reprieved,
"Till the Day of the time appointed" (Quran, al-Hijr: 36 – 38).

(Iblees (Satan)) said: "O my Lord! Because you misled me, I shall indeed adorn the path of error for them (mankind) on the earth, and I shall mislead them all.
"Except Your chosen, (guided) slaves among them" (Quran, al-Hijr: 39 – 40).

 

[GentleMan]

if Iblees did not prostrate before Adam, was it wrong? He still calls God is Lord and refuses to bow before anyone else. isn't that the principle that one must not bow before anyone except the Almighty.

so this story confuses me.. because Iblees followed the fundamental principle in Islam of not bowing before anyone except Allah.

and secondly he considers Allah his Lord, and exists because Allah has allowed him to exist. so Satan has God's permission to mislead people except the chosen ones.

 

[speed]

if Iblees did not prostrate before Adam, was it wrong? He still calls God is Lord and refuses to bow before anyone else. isn't that the principle that one must not bow before anyone except the Almighty.

so this story confuses me.. because Iblees followed the fundamental principle in Islam of not bowing before anyone except Allah.

and secondly he considers Allah his Lord, and exists because Allah has allowed him to exist. so Satan has God's permission to mislead people except the chosen ones.

We know from the Quran that mankind are the best of creation, and Allah told Iblees and the angles to prostrate to Adam but he did not, he was arrogant.

Allah told him to prostrate, so this is not against the teachings of Islam.

Yep Allah forgave him for a time, actually if satan had asked for forgiveness instead of saying give me respite for a time Allah may have forgiven him but in his arrogance he asked for respite instead of forgiveness.

Allah knows best

 

[James]

I know how the world works. I just dont agree with it

What don't you agree with, why, and what are you doing to change these things? (except nearly crashing everybody else's browsers by sharing endless boorish pictures and other large files)

 

[GentleMan]

We know from the Quran that mankind are the best of creation, and Allah told Iblees and the angles to prostrate to Adam but he did not, he was arrogant.

Allah told him to prostrate, so this is not against the teachings of Islam.

Yep Allah forgave him for a time, actually if satan had asked for forgiveness instead of saying give me respite for a time Allah may have forgiven him but in his arrogance he asked for respite instead of forgiveness.

Allah knows best

He was arrogant agreed..but arrogance can come from too much love for the lord. if i am fully loyal to someone and he asks me to serve someone else, due to my devotion for him i may show arrogance. this arrogance by Iblees is not so simple.

i thought prostrating before anyone except Allah was forbidden. but agree there might be exceptions.

somehow i feel for Iblees..he loved his master and refused to bow before anyone else, and for that he was cursed..and he continues to do what his Lord cursed him to.

 

[GentleMan]

to me it looks like Iblees was the most devoted of them all..because he put his devotion towards God even above God's command, and took the punishment but stood by it. and since then he has been the bad cop so that faithful turn towards God.

 

[amateurdentist]

What don't you agree with, why, and what are you doing to change these things? (except nearly crashing everybody else's browsers by sharing endless boorish pictures and other large files)

James if it happened to your browser once, you didnot have to open the thread again coz you know there will be more boorish pictures and other large files.
But im using this acer laptop(aspire one with 512 mb ram) and mine did not crash. perhaps you need an upgrade?

what dont i agree with?
Capitalism.....False economy....monopoly....interest(they are all interlinked)

Why?
INEQUALITY!!! If every human lived like an american, we would need 5 earths to support us
Its motivated solely by profit(lack of regulation leads to stealing savings and financial meltdown at expense of record breaking bonuses for bank/mob bosses)
Muslim blood=water in most peoples eyes you know the life history of malala and Royal marine sargent afghanistan only not the drone attack kid with no arm....or is he not important because he is muslim?
multinational corporations. monsanto is responsible for 1000s of farmer suicides and congress just passed a law making it near impossible to take any legal action against them.
CONFLICT OF INTEREST cheney was vp and on board at haliburton at the same time. Iraq war contracts went to haliburton. Most economic theorists and professors are in boardrooms of the wall street institutions. and there are literally too many examples to consider this as a coincidence. this means that government protects wall street and vice verca at expense of the american people. did you know that while 13 million americans lost their homes wall street exec bonuses ACTUALLY ROSE!!!!!
IMO iraq and afghanistan wars are illegal i dont whatyou think about this. and this system protected blair while julian assange is being beaten to death....surely this is wrong(atleast IMO)
Media is in the pocket of MNCs and is manipulated by them and government.
and if yuo actually read that article about drones and still dont understand then i cant explain it any better

solution: get rid of this cancerous system

 

[amateurdentist]

if you actually bothered to read any of the articles i posted you wouldnot have asked this question

 

[amateurdentist]

2900 dead in usa and 55 in uk and you people decide to kill 2 million muslims. shabaash

 

[amateurdentist]

you quash "arab spring" in bahrain yet promote "freedom"and "democracy" in libya and syria
please i beg you, i dont want your countries democracy in pakistan james. keep it in Holy britain

 

[amateurdentist]

you whine and whine about dr shakil afridi...ever heard of bradley manning?

 

[amateurdentist]

stop being hypocrites and telling us your system is civilized. because IMO Attila the Hun was more civilized

 

[amateurdentist]

your liberalism doesnt extend to drone victims yet you fall into righteous anger over gay marriage

 

[amateurdentist]

your system is beyond pathetic i dont want anything todo with it. even mullah omar would be able to think of a better system than yours

 

[GentleMan]

dentist bhai, you can put all that in a single post.. nice way to increase post count. btw i like the sheer outrage and exasperation at the way the world is going, in your posts.

 

[amateurdentist]

yes that is my mainaimin life to increase my posts
Finally you get it!

 

[Gilly]

your system is beyond pathetic i dont want anything todo with it. even mullah omar would be able to think of a better system than yours

You dont see the irony of it do you. Should the rest of the world follow Pakistans example.

 

[James]

your system is beyond pathetic i dont want anything todo with it. even mullah omar would be able to think of a better system than yours

What better system should we be following? Give me a few examples of what your new governance and economy would look like.

 

[Kean0]

What better system should we be following? Give me a few examples of what your new governance and economy would look like.

It would look like a World which pays debt through its own people.

It would look like the sorry ass state in which the recession has brought down on its knees.

 

[amateurdentist]

For the muslim world only!!!!

An islamic welfare state based on these principles:

fore a judge hands out a punishment, he/she looks at all the contributing factors and evidence+testimony. Things like a persons background, his living condition his mental state, is he ever been oppressed by the state etc. This is universal logic.

Ill give you an example of how Umar implemented the law for stealing:

A couple of slaves were caught stealing a camel. When the Caliph saw that they were very skinny. He realized that they stole out of hunger. So instead of punishing them he asked for their master to be brought forward, and he chided him for not feeding his slaves properly. Then 'Umar (Ra) ordered the master to compensate the owner of the stolen camel for it. Naturally, the slaves were warned not to ever steal again.

This is both mercy and justice. Mercy is reserved in Islam to those who deserve it. The weak,the poor,the oppressed. Islamic law(and eye-for-an-eye) should be implemented harshly on the powerful and the rich to bring them back to earth. Ill provide another ruling of Caliph Umar to better explain this point.

History tells us that on the occasion of Hajj , an Egyptian Copt complained to the Caliph that the s on of 'Amr ibn Al-'As (the governor of Egypt) had beaten him, because he outran him in a race, saying, "How dare you outrun the son of the honouble people?" The Caliph 'Umar ibn Al-Khattab was angry. He immediately ordered that the young man (the governor's son) be brought forward, and the Copt was given a whip to revenge for himself. The Caliph turned to his governor saying: "Since when have enslaved people who were born free!"

And also this wonderful incident about Amir-al-Momineen Hazrat Ali (RA)

Once, during his Caliphate, Ali Ibn Abi Talib (rta) lost his armour. One day, he saw a Jew in possession of an armour he recognized as his own. Ali (rta) approached the Jew and asked him to return his armour. The Jew refused to do so and, instead, demanded that the matter be settled by the reigning Muslim Qadi (judge).

Hence, Ali (rta) and the Jew appeared before the Qadi to settle this dispute. Qadi Shurayh was a very competent judge from Yemen, who was famous for settling Fiqh related matters. He had performed the duties of a Qadi in Kufa during the caliphate of Umar Ibn Khattab (rta), and Usman Ibn Affan (rta) as well. He was well known for his integrity and insight.

When the judge saw Caliph Ali (rta) approach his court, he stood up for him out of respect. Ali (rta) requested him to stay seated. Qadi Shurayh took his seat. Ali (rta) initiated the conversation: “I have lost my armour and found the same in this man’s possession.”

Qadi Shurayh asked the Jew: “Do you have anything to say?”

The Jew replied: “This is my armour and I own it.”

Qadi Shurayh inspected the armour in dispute and addressed the Caliph: “By Allah! Your claim is correct. This, indeed, is your armour. However, the court of law demands that you produce two witnesses to substantiate your claim.”

Ali (rta) produced his slave Qanbar as his first witness, who testified in favour of Ali (rta). Then, the Caliph produced his sons Hassan (rta) and Hussain (rta) as his second witnesses to testify for him.

Qadi Shurayh stated: “I accept the testimony of your slave; however, I still need another witness, as the testimony of your sons is not acceptable.”

The Caliph said: “By Allah! I heard Umar Ibn Khattab (rta) narrate the Prophet’s (sa) Hadeeth stating that Hassan (rta) and Hussain (rta) are the leaders of the youth in Paradise.”

The judge replied: “By Allah! This is the truth.”

Ali (rta) demanded: “Then why are you unable to accept the testimony of the leaders of the youth in Paradise?”

Qadi Shurayh explained: “Because they are your sons, and a son cannot testify in favour of his father.”

Hence, the judge settled the dispute in favour of the Jew and handed over the armour to him.

The Jew remarked in absolute astonishment: “The Amir-ul-Momineen of the Muslims brought me in the court of his own appointed judge, and the same judge gave a verdict against the Caliph. And the Caliph accepted the verdict gracefully without any resistance.”

Then, the Jew glanced towards Ali (rta) and continued: “Amir-ul-Momineen! Your claim is true. This armour definitely belongs to you. You had lost it the other day and I found it. Therefore, it is your property. Please, accept it.”


Also Allah, when handing out punishment directly in the Quran often doesnot prescribe one punishment. for example if a muslim breaks his fast intentionally they are ordered to:
1- Feed 60 poor people OR
2- Free a slave OR
3- Fast for 2 months

Also another example:

Allah will not take you to task for that which is unintentional in your oaths, but He will take you to task for the oaths which ye swear in earnest. The expiation thereof is the feeding of ten of the needy with the average of that wherewith ye feed your own folk, or the clothing of them, or the liberation of a slave, and for him who findeth not (the wherewithal to do so) then a three day’s fast. This is the expiation of your oaths when ye have sworn; and keep your oaths. Thus Allah expoundeth unto you His revelations in order that ye may give thanks.

–––(5:Al-Ma’idah:89)

Also there was a case in Saudi Arabia recently when a man murdered another man. The Judge(being a sensible man) implored the father of the victim to forgive him quoting verses from quran and sunnah on forgiveness. In the end the father relented but only provided that the murderer learn the Quran.

It is the job of the islamic government to provide both mercy and justice. The role of the muslim judge, after a verdict has been reached, is to exhort the prosecuting party towards forgiveness and mercy while at the same time urging the accused to tell the truth.

As Sultan Salahuddin Ayyubi said "It is better to err in forgiveness, rather than to be right in your punishment".

Economy something like this

Well there are many different solutions which can be thought by any of us. All of them valid and worth discussing.

I think the system has to be changed. Our economy is based on paper. We should move towards a Resource based economy where we can live clean,healthy,green and technologically advanced lives.

Think about it. How many people work in the finance sector,and politicians. What do they contribute to society? their work is based on moving imaginary money which is then printed so it can be circulated in the system and hidind this from us. Real resources are doctors, engineers, architects, labourers, garbagemen etc. They contribute to the benefit of society unlike the wall street crowd or the Capitol crowd.
Also consider how robots can replace humans to do almost every task within 10-20 years. which will mean more robots and less jobs(naturally) under this system so I believe this system is bound to fail. the rich will get richer, the poor will get poorer

In a resource based economy there are no jobs or money. robots do all the work. while humans make the real contribution to society what we are meant to do. to think to explore, to wonder etc The important things. There is a LABOUR TAX instead of INCOME TAX where for each service you are provided you pay your dues in form of labour in whatever field you are interested in.

Also consider our energy sector. We rely on depleting non-renewable sources like oil etc. Why cant we use solar, wind, tidal and geothermal energy?
If anyone tells you that solar or geothermal is not practical consider this. In 1902 wright brothers flew. In 2010 we sent curiousity to mars. this is the pace of human development. why arent renewable sources of energy developed like other things? i mean solar power technology is basically the same it was 20 years ago. why?
because the energy companies (shell bp exxon etc) have a stake in this to deliberatly hinder research into renewables.
DID YOU KNOW THAT THE EARTH CONTAINS ENOUGH GEOTHERMAL ENERGY TO POWER US (AT OUR CURRENT RATE OF USE OF ENERGY) FOR more than 2000 years....and we still have the sun, the wind and the tides to use for energy as well.

So muslims can have something 1000 times better than this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_golden_age

The Islamic Golden Age is an Abbasid historical period beginning in the mid 8th century lasting until the Mongol conquest of Baghdad in 1258. The Islamic Golden Age was inaugurated by the middle of the 8th century by the ascension of the Abbasid Caliphate and the transfer of the capital from Damascus to Baghdad. The Abbasids were influenced by the Qur'anic injunctions and hadith such as "the ink of a scholar is more holy than the blood of a martyr" that stressed the value of knowledge.During this period the Arab world became an intellectual center for science, philosophy, medicine and education; the Abbasids championed the cause of knowledge and established the House of Wisdom in Baghdad, where both Muslim and non-Muslim scholars sought to translate and gather all the world's knowledge into Arabic. Many classic works of antiquity that would otherwise have been lost were translated into Arabic and Persian and later in turn translated into Turkish, Hebrew and Latin. During this period the Arab world was a collection of cultures which put together, synthesized and significantly advanced the knowledge gained from the ancient Roman, Chinese, Indian, Persian, Egyptian, Greek, and Byzantine civilizations.They also used the decimal system and began the use of Algebra in order to solve complex mathematical problems.

Hindus and athiests and christians can put forward there own proposals before criticizing mine.
Regards,
Angry Opressed Muslim

 

[James]

To my credit I actually read through all of that fictitious pigswill, but seriously - no jobs nor money?

 

[amateurdentist]

Erm its my Ummah and these muslims are my people. We dont need anyone elses opinion on how to solve our problems. Thankyou! and Peace

I want advice from muslim brothers and sisters on the economy......please if you have any ideas(any at all) please share and work on our problems together as brothers and sisters. Just as Allah wants us to.
Remember
The flap ofa butterfly's wing can cause a typhoon at the other end of the world.
and remember we have most of the worlds OIL and GAS . so anything is possible

Never despair even if you are mocked as a retard or idiot. Because you arent one! You are the most beautiful of Allah's Creation

 

[James]

Truly bizarre.

 

[cricketworm]

LOL AD is losing it!

 

[cricketworm]

AD one way you are saying OIL profiteers have agenda in not developing alternative energy and another way you boosting about Muslim countries having oil and gas, you do realize that Muslim countries wouldn't have survived without OIL and Gas right? If alternate energy was so easy to use and let's say we do 'magically' some how build better and alternative energy which runs the transport system, then there will be little value of Muslim countries, they would have nothing much to export and make a living! They will be importing everything and nothing to export in return.

 

[amateurdentist]

lol if i am a retard ignore me. Why bother posting here? Idont need anyones help in curing my illness

 

[amateurdentist]

change is gradual

 

[amateurdentist]

John F Kennedy

929 days before John F. Kennedy was assasinated, He gave a speech to the media. The text of which is:

The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know."

"For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.

Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed."
"No President should fear public scrutinity of his program. For from that scrutiny comes understanding; and from that understanding comes support or opposition. And both are necessary. I am not asking your newspapers to support the Administration, but I am asking your help in the tremendous task of informing and alerting the American people. For I have complete confidence in the response and dedication of our citizens whenever they are fully informed.

I not only could not stifle controversy among your readers-- I welcome it. This Administration intends to be candid about its errors; for as a wise man once said: "An error does not become a mistake until you refuse to correct it." We intend to accept full responsibility for our errors; and we expect you to point them out when we miss them.

Without debate, without criticism, no Administration and no country can succeed-- and no republic can survive. That is why the Athenian lawmaker Solon decreed it a crime for any citizen to shrink from controversy. And that is why our press was protected by the First (emphasized) Amendment-- the only business in America specifically protected by the Constitution-- not primarily to amuse and entertain, not to emphasize the trivial and sentimental, not to simply "give the public what it wants"--but to inform, to arouse, to reflect, to state our dangers and our opportunities, to indicate our crises and our choices, to lead, mold educate and sometimes even anger public opinion.

This means greater coverage and analysis of international news-- for it is no longer far away and foreign but close at hand and local. It means greater attention to improved understanding of the news as well as improved transmission. And it means, finally, that government at all levels, must meet its obligation to provide you with the fullest possible information outside the narrowest limits of national security...

"And so it is to the printing press--to the recorder of mans deeds, the keeper of his conscience, the courier of his news-- that we look for strength and assistance, confident that with your help man will be what he was born to be: free and independent."

Source: http://www.thepowerhour.com/news3/jfk_speech_transcript.htm

 

[amateurdentist]

Conspiracy theorist~ A term first usd by Richard Nixon to describe those accusing him of wrondoing in Watergate

 

[shaz619]

@AD was that when JFK was speaking out against secret societies (illuminati) i believe? Whether the illuminati exist or not, one thing for sure is that there is a BEAST out there which needs to be slayed.

 

[amateurdentist]

yes it was. the evidence is there but people usually do consider sky, bbc and fox as gospel truth even after iraq. Tubah Astaghfar at the jahalat

 

[shaz619]

If there ever was any sought of evidence to prove the corruption and vile deeds of those ********, the JFK speech was it. I find it hard to believe how people choose to ignore what he said that day and the inevitable events which followed which in my opinion is the biggest conspiracy then anything else.

 

[amateurdentist]

because they are living cozy lives in first world countries.
Just like they didnot give a damn when they were busy colonizing africa and starving india to death. We have to realize is that they dontgive a damn about us. they consider our religion inferior and our lives as worth nothing. So we shouldnt be looking tothem for help. I hope my talks with many "knowledgeable" "Liberals" has opened many eyes.
In the End
Allah Knows best

 

[Gilly]

because they are living cozy lives in first world countries.Just like they didnot give a damn when they were busy colonizing africa and starving india to death. We have to realize is that they dontgive a damn about us. they consider our religion inferior and our lives as worth nothing. So we shouldnt be looking tothem for help. I hope my talks with many "knowledgeable" "Liberals" has opened many eyes.
In the End
Allah Knows best

That seems to cause a lot of jealousy, I notice some people find this hard to deal with and get enraged.

 

[amateurdentist]

lol. why would a lion be jelous of a fox?

 

[Gilly]

lol. why would a lion be jelous of a fox?

Because you think you are a lion and the fox is the one living a cozy life.

Why do you need to make claims of being better and superior, if as you say you are superior and you are the lion then you must be gloating. Is that not a sin. Your morals seem to have two sides.

 

[amateurdentist]

FREE MEDIA.....Yeah I Know

Free media FTW!!

 

[amateurdentist]

Because you think you are a lion and the fox is the one living a cozy life.

Why do you need to make claims of being better and superior, if as you say you are superior and you are the lion then you must be gloating. Is that not a sin. Your morals seem to have two sides.

bad things.. you have to understand what bad things are. Its sorting out body parts of victims of bomb attacks. Its trying to tell a grieving mother why her son died because Pakistan Government doesnt give a damn. It seeing your sister escape a terrorist attack by chace( I always thank Allah for this. Indeed he is most merciful)

These things give you perspective and make you realize that money is not everything

yeah i am jealous because you have more money than me

 

[James]

lol if i am a retard ignore me. Why bother posting here? Idont need anyones help in curing my illness

You were a user here a while ago, and despite often falling into the habit of lazy generalisations of 'Westerners' you managed to post some interesting material.

What's happened since then? Just a load of drivel.

 

[amateurdentist]

read jfk speech yet?

 

[Gilly]

yeah i am jealous because you have more money than me

What I see is you are desperately trying to brag how you have better morals and superior knowledge than everyone else.

If it makes your life easier to live I concede you are superior and morally supreme.

 

[amateurdentist]

and if you notice i am against the system. which affects us ALL!!

 

[amateurdentist]

What I see is you are desperately trying to brag how you have better morals and superior knowledge than everyone else.

If it makes your life easier to live I concede you are superior and morally supreme.

I havent made any monetary profit from my knowledge.By lion i meant the muslim world because they have taken so much oppression but still continue to fight. we will never stop fighting.
Why dont you ever empathize with oppressed muslims? Just like I empathize for the 800 million poor indians, 100 million poor pakistanis, 13 million americans who lost their savings and homes, those starving people in africa, those poor people in cyprus who have lost everything.

 

[amateurdentist]

And i am a fallible sinner just like YOU!

 

[amateurdentist]

You were a user here a while ago, and despite often falling into the habit of lazy generalisations of 'Westerners' you managed to post some interesting material.

What's happened since then? Just a load of drivel.

Actually if i remember correctly you are the one who called this fictitious pigswivel. Remind me of any personal insults I have directed at you. If I have then I apologize

 

[Gilly]

I havent made any monetary profit from my knowledge.By lion i meant the muslim world because they have taken so much oppression but still continue to fight. we will never stop fighting.
Why dont you ever empathize with oppressed muslims? Just like I empathize for the 800 million poor indians, 100 million poor pakistanis, 13 million americans who lost their savings and homes, those starving people in africa, those poor people in cyprus who have lost everything.

I dont think that me searching the internet for pictures of stupid cliches and posting them on websites is the empathy that these people require.

 

[James]

I called your statements fictitious pigswill. I said nothing about you, your beliefs, your country or your background.

Meanwhile...

stop being hypocrites and telling us your system is civilized. because IMO Attila the Hun was more civilized

your liberalism doesnt extend to drone victims yet you fall into righteous anger over gay marriage

your system is beyond pathetic i dont want anything todo with it. even mullah omar would be able to think of a better system than yours

I personally find all of this very narrow-minded, presumptuous and insulting.

If you essentially express irrational hatred towards me and the people around me, you can't expect me to be nice back.

Read Dale Carnegie. You can never win anyone over by being rude to them. (Your ideas are rubbish too but that's besides the point.)

 

[amateurdentist]

I called your statements fictitious pigswill. I said nothing about you, your beliefs, your country or your background.

actually these stories represent my beliefs.
I dont care if you criticize pakistan because pakistan has to be criticized.

I personally find all of this very narrow-minded, presumptuous and insulting.

If you essentially express irrational hatred towards me and the people around me, you can't expect me to be nice back.

Read Dale Carnegie. You can never win anyone over by being rude to them. (Your ideas are rubbish too but that's besides the point.)

My intention was that if you found these statements to be false then you would prove them false.
Is it not hypocrisy that YOU(By You I am Addressing anyone who agrees with CAPITALIST SYSTEM) are trying to teach the Islamic world morality when YOUR morality is just the SAME as the Jaahil(ignorant) Muslim Nation?

The post where I specifically adressed YOU(James) was the one I actually quoted you in. The rest of the posts were addressed to ALL people(including westernized muslims/hindus/athiests) so that they could actually find evidence to prove me wrong.

 

[cricketworm]

It's 3:01 AM in Pakistan! It's time to do something about it than just talking about it, no?

 

[James]

I haven't criticised Pakistan or anybody's country, just your fatuous points.

A new society with no money or employment is meant to replace Western civilisation? ROFL

And who said anything about morality? You're good at building up the straw men.

 

[amateurdentist]

@ CW
you mean like working in hospitals and villages or attending rallies for palestine?

 

[amateurdentist]

I haven't criticised Pakistan or anybody's country, just your fatuous points.

A new society with no money or employment is meant to replace Western civilisation? ROFL

And who said anything about morality? You're good at building up the straw men.

Read JFKs speech yet?
Or Oxfams report on globalinequality caused by capitalism?

 

[James]

you mean like working in hospitals and villages or attending rallies for palestine?

Working? I thought society should have no jobs?

Palestine now. Where did that come from? Possibly the worst debating style I've ever seen.

 

[James]

Read JFKs speech yet?
Or Oxfams report on globalinequality caused by capitalism?

You aren't responding to anything now, just rambling. Have a fun life.

 

[amateurdentist]

You too
May God grant us all peace and happiness

 

[amateurdentist]

Alot of ancient civilizations of Native americans like Incas and Mayas survived and prospered without money or employment. that is untill they were civilized by the conquistadors

 

[cricketworm]

No, working for yourselves and your family, and not worry about rest of the world! Once you can stand on your own and made your family sustainable by working hard, you will stop looking for theories to fix OUR problems, which is impossible to implement.

 

[James]

The earliest form of money is estimated to go back at least 100,000 years. Even barter is a form of money.

A society without money or jobs. LMAO.

 

[amateurdentist]

@ CW i dont want to fix your problems. i want to fix my countries problems and in the process present you with an alternative news
How do you know i dont work hard for my family? Have you asked them?

 

[amateurdentist]

The earliest form of money is estimated to go back at least 100,000 years. Even barter is a form of money.

And your point is? Incas were a highly advanced civilization WITHOUT MONEY and WITHOUT JOBS. And they had a LABOUR TAX. and yeah so did the mayans

 

[cricketworm]

@ CW i dont want to fix your problems. i want to fix my countries problems and in the process present you with an alternative news
How do you know i dont work hard for my family? Have you asked them?

I thought you had a problem with system which affects ALL.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=5720879&postcount=211

So if you fix your countries' problem it's going to fix everyone's problem, no?

So, you are still having problem with system after making your family sustainable and losing your precious sleep after working hard all day at 3 O'Clock?

 

[James]

It's 2013, not 1456. Humanity in its nature is on a constant curve. Times change.

 

[amateurdentist]

I thought you had a problem with system which affects ALL.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=5720879&postcount=211

So if you fix your countries' problem it's going to fix everyone's problem, no?

So, you are still having problem with system after making your family sustainable and losing your precious sleep after working hard all day at 3 O'Clock?

If i remember i also toldyou to think and do your own research andcome up with solutions.

If pakistan becomes a better society natually others would like to follow that example.

at the same time its about raising awareness.

You only need to sleep 6 hours a day and i sleep after daybreak

 

[amateurdentist]

It's 2013, not 1456. Humanity in its nature is on a constant curve. Times change.

80% of world in poverty. worlds richest 1% earnt enough last year to end poverty four times over. yeah the times have changed.

 

[cricketworm]

Do most people in Pakistan even pay labor taxes anyway? Govn't is poor because people in Pakistan most don't pay taxes to begin with! And without funding they have trouble with having functional energy, no?

Around 9 Million people were registered as tax payers in Pakistan out of what! 170 Millions!!

 

[James]

So we all have to be part of an Inca Muslamic Caliphate to redress that?

Join us in the real world one day. I refuse to believe you're 23.

 

[GentleMan]

dentist bhai, you want to change pakistan, that is great..but ranting about it in a forum only changes your post count, nothing else.

 

[amateurdentist]

So we all have to be part of an Inca Muslamic Caliphate to redress that?

Join us in the real world one day. I refuse to believe you're 23.

Is this not a strawman arguement?
I dont care what you believe. Peace!

P.S. Should i post pictures of myself for you?

 

[amateurdentist]

dentist bhai, you want to change pakistan, that is great..but ranting about it in a forum only changes your post count, nothing else.

lol go ask the pakistanis in this forum

 

[amateurdentist]

Do most people in Pakistan even pay labor taxes anyway? Govn't is poor because people in Pakistan most don't pay taxes to begin with! And without funding they have trouble with having functional energy, no?

Around 9 Million people were registered as tax payers in Pakistan out of what! 170 Millions!!

Pakistan is a capitalist society

 

[cricketworm]

If i remember i also toldyou to think and do your own research andcome up with solutions.

If pakistan becomes a better society natually others would like to follow that example.

at the same time its about raising awareness.

You only need to sleep 6 hours a day and i sleep after daybreak

I accept that Wall Street and Banks write their own cheques and they never go poor.

But I strongly believe that without proper taxing Goven't can't do much! And esp. for countries who doesn't have resources must need proper taxing to survive or country gets split and there are zillion small anti-goven't establishment flourished. The same wall street is actually used in funding many researches' that moves the humanity forward. And this is how we have moved forward and our life expectancy has gotten better and we are getting healthier.

This wouldn't have happened without the help of wall street as you won't find anyone personally putting in money something without hoping to get refund! Most pharm. and science research companies are part of wall street and run on Govn't fund, which they got it by tax system.