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World Cup 2019: This underdog could win it all!

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World Cup 2019: This underdog could win it all!

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The 2019 World Cup is now only a few months away. Teams have been preparing for it for a good part of two years now. Each team aims to have their best players fit and their combinations sorted to be able to mount a formidable challenge for the title.

The conditions in England will play a large part in determining who the winner will be. The format in this World Cup is such that each team will have to play every other team at least once. That eliminates the prospect of an undeserving team making it to the semi-finals as a result of winning an easy group.

Seam bowlers will likely play a pivotal role for their teams. Team squads will, therefore, have to be composed with sufficient depth in that department. Sub-continent teams will particularly have to be mindful and select condition-specific batsmen.

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England will be the prohibitive favorite going into the tournament. They are the #1 ranked ODI team in the world and will enjoy home-field advantage. They have played some excellent cricket over the last year or so and have a settled team that is well balanced. They have some capable attacking batsmen at the top of the order and have depth in their batting line-up, as well. This is the best chance for them to win the World Cup in a long time and only a very special effort from a team with a penetrating set of bowlers likely stands a chance to beat them.

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India is the other team that is in good form and has the necessary ammunition to mount a challenge for the title. They have great variety in their bowling and Jasprit Bumrah, Bhuvneshwar Kumar, and Mohammed Shami make-up their new formidable seam attack. However, issues with their middle-order and the over-reliance on their top three batsmen may prove to be their Achilles heel.

Australia, as usual, is always in the scheme of things and can never be underestimated, no matter what their ranking is.

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But the team that could very well lift the trophy, despite their inconsistent recent ODI form, is Pakistan. Their likely bowling line-up will include the likes of Mohammad Amir, Mohammad Abbas, Shaheen Shah Afridi, and Hassan Ali. Mohammad Abbas is Pakistan's latest find who is currently not in their ODI squad but will almost certainly be part of their World Cup plans.

Abbas is, arguably, the best seam bowler in the world, particularly in English conditions. He was instrumental in helping Pakistan draw their latest Test series against England in England. His accuracy and skill in swinging the bowl may prove deadly for opposing batsmen. Moreover, Pakistan won the Champions Trophy in 2017 in England without even having Mohammad Abbas in their line-up.

Pakistan's batting line-up has been its weakness, in recent times. However, their batsmen's performances recently against Australia and NewZealand suggest that they are getting more confident and are showing the affinity to set big totals or chase stiff targets. And that could be a dangerous sign for their opponents.

Moreover, Pakistan is the #1 ranked team in T20's. Fakhar Zaman at the top of their batting order remains a significant threat to any bowling line-up. Their middle-order of Azam, Malik, Nawaz, and Hafeez is well balanced with experience and youthful exuberance. Finally, they have two seaming all-rounders in their line-up that are every bit as effective in exploiting the English conditions with their bowling skills as they are capable of holding their own with their batting capabilities.

So, while the world is debating who among England, India, or Australia has the best chance to win, the most under-rated and dangerous team that could win the World Cup could be Pakistan.
 
Pakistan are always a lethal prospect in English conditions, be it test or ODI.

And you can clearly see that if they can upset the only other favourites (England), the cup is theirs.
 
Well written and is a good read, I have very high hopes for Pakistan although I still believe England will take the trophy home.
 
Pakistan are always a lethal prospect in English conditions, be it test or ODI.

And you can clearly see that if they can upset the only other favourites (England), the cup is theirs.

Misconception certainly as far as ODIs are concerned.
 
Pak underdog LOL. Pakistanis are one of the favourites (+Aus, Eng, NZ), underdog will be India, WI, Bangladesh, Lanka, Afghanistan.

SA isn't even underdog because those spineless chokers won't win a WC with 2 teams participating. Why do we even waste a spot on those losers? Literally every single country on this planet has a better chance to win an ICC event.
 
Not sure Abbas is in WC plans,should have played by now for that
 
Uhmm and? How many JAMODIS in there? I dont want to repeat and bring the CT17 in here but ENG would trade all their JAMODI wins vs us for the beating they got during the.....:afridi

I know beating India in CT was the biggest thing for PCT and its fans and that victory has skyrocketted the expectations from the team.

And it seems one win against NZ A team has erased all memory of the poor show PCT has shown in ODIs since CT. That's why all the excuses (JAMODIs, etc) are coming out.

No matter. If you think PCT suddenly becomes a really strong team in Eng just by winning 2 matches in CT17, barely srapping through against an abysmal SL team, then who am I to burst your bubble. :afridi
 
Abbas is the best seamer in the world despite not playing a single match in the format that the world cup is in.
 
Not sure Abbas is in WC plans,should have played by now for that

You know how Pakistani selection is like, we pick the wrong players months before the tournament then during the tournament itself we unleash our wild card special player :fz:abbas
 
You know how Pakistani selection is like, we pick the wrong players months before the tournament then during the tournament itself we unleash our wild card special player :fz:abbas

Abbas and Amir to open. Then Shaheen and Hasan in the middle overs with Shadab and Imad choking the batsmen. Could be a killer combo on paper but a lot needs to happen for that. Amir and Hasan need to get their form back. Abbas needs to be selected for LOIs in SA and then Eng.
 
You know how Pakistani selection is like, we pick the wrong players months before the tournament then during the tournament itself we unleash our wild card special player :fz:abbas

He would be unplayable in England.Even if he can't bowl at death,he's worth his spot
 
Abbas and Amir to open. Then Shaheen and Hasan in the middle overs with Shadab and Imad choking the batsmen. Could be a killer combo on paper but a lot needs to happen for that. Amir and Hasan need to get their form back. Abbas needs to be selected for LOIs in SA and then Eng.

6 bowlers?
 
A quote that I like about Pakistan in general and cricket in specific
We don't believe in miracles.....
WE RELY UPON THEM
 
A weak batting line up unable to to chase average totals and bat under pressure. Over rated bowling which at best is good at times. Lack of form of Key players. A miracle is needed to win the 2019 World Cup.
 
I know beating India in CT was the biggest thing for PCT and its fans and that victory has skyrocketted the expectations from the team.

And it seems one win against NZ A team has erased all memory of the poor show PCT has shown in ODIs since CT. That's why all the excuses (JAMODIs, etc) are coming out.

No matter. If you think PCT suddenly becomes a really strong team in Eng just by winning 2 matches in CT17, barely srapping through against an abysmal SL team, then who am I to burst your bubble. :afridi

Dude you dont really get the point do you? You talked about PAK ODI record in the UK. The PAK team has delivered during crunch ODI games in the UK. Even played a WC final. The history of good ODI games PAK played in the UK is long:afridi
 
Dude you dont really get the point do you? You talked about PAK ODI record in the UK. The PAK team has delivered during crunch ODI games in the UK. Even played a WC final. The history of good ODI games PAK played in the UK is long:afridi

I understood your point, man. But 2 finals in the UK isn't enough to say that Pakistan in a force to reckon with because despite it their win/loss ratio in England is a very mediocre 0.6.

India also had 2 final appearance within a span of 4 years. But along with that India also has a W/L ratio of 1.5 in England overall. It's the highest win % for any visiting team in England. That's what good performance in England looks like. :afridi
 
In ODI bilaterals they have a poor record but in ICC tournaments it's a completely different story, where they have won 2 ICC trophies encompassing 4 semi finals out of 5 tournaments in England since 99 WC. The only reason why they missed out on a semi final spot in 2013 CT was because of Misbah and Waqar who were at the helm.

Aren't you combining formats, though?

If we go by the rules you have laid down then India is the best touring side to South Africa in limited overs cricket.
 
Aren't you combining formats, though?

If we go by the rules you have laid down then India is the best touring side to South Africa in limited overs cricket.

India has won only 1 t20 cup in SA and runner up in 2003. In Eng, Pak has won CT, a world t20, been runner up in 1999, semi finalist in 2004 CT.
 
I know beating India in CT was the biggest thing for PCT and its fans and that victory has skyrocketted the expectations from the team.

And it seems one win against NZ A team has erased all memory of the poor show PCT has shown in ODIs since CT. That's why all the excuses (JAMODIs, etc) are coming out.

No matter. If you think PCT suddenly becomes a really strong team in Eng just by winning 2 matches in CT17, barely srapping through against an abysmal SL team, then who am I to burst your bubble. :afridi

NZ A? So just missing Guptill makes this their A team lol? Going by this standard India lost and tied home ODIS to West Indies C (they were missing Gayle, Russell and Narine)
 
India has won only 1 t20 cup in SA and runner up in 2003. In Eng, Pak has won CT, a world t20, been runner up in 1999, semi finalist in 2004 CT.

You cannot use the strengths of your past teams to judge the fortunes of your present teams. Do you seriously compare this pakistan side with 1999 Pakistan ODI side? Are you kidding? India had a very very weak team. Despite all that in England India vs Pakistan 3-2 in one dayers.
 
Pakistan are always a lethal prospect in English conditions, be it test or ODI.

And you can clearly see that if they can upset the only other favourites (England), the cup is theirs.

Tournament cricket is a different beast altogether. his format also gives a team a chance to get far in the tournie even if they lose a few matches. We all know momentum is key and if Pakistan peak at the right time we will win this..at the same time we could just collapse and be forgotten..lol
 
You cannot use the strengths of your past teams to judge the fortunes of your present teams. Do you seriously compare this pakistan side with 1999 Pakistan ODI side? Are you kidding? India had a very very weak team. Despite all that in England India vs Pakistan 3-2 in one dayers.

I know that 99 team was stronger, but I was just replying to the above poster about Pak's LOI record in England, not comparing the 99 and current teams.
 
Ok where was CT 2013 held and who was the winner?

I was comparing India's LOI record in SA with Pak's LOI record in Eng, when above poster was implying that India has best LOI record in SA. I know that India won CT in Eng in 2013.
 
Pakistan are certainly not underdogs,no team will take them lightly as they did in CT.

MORONIC comment. No team gets taken lightly when in semis, and and especially in a Final. Your team thoroughly got whooped in the final like no one in an ICC final. Eng were thrashed in semis. Pak is a different beast on a wicket which is more balanced for batting and bowling unlike the dead cr@p in UAE.
 
MORONIC comment. No team gets taken lightly when in semis, and and especially in a Final. Your team thoroughly got whooped in the final like no one in an ICC final. Eng were thrashed in semis. Pak is a different beast on a wicket which is more balanced for batting and bowling unlike the dead cr@p in UAE.

We'll see if you are really a 'beast' or a mouse like in asia cup on 16 june.
 
We'll see if you are really a 'beast' or a mouse like in asia cup on 16 june.

And we will see what your soormas do when the ball is gonna talk in Eng - I am sure it won't be any different than the thrashing you suffered in Eng by Eng - difference would be that now you will be thrashed by any team with an average bowling attack, let alone Pak. After your first 3 games against SA, AU, NZ, you will be disappeared probably from this forum for a while as it happened last year after the final.
 
No one is going to take Pak lightly anymore and they are not underdogs anymore either..deal with that ,teams will prepare for Fakhar and Amir, Abbas,Shadab,Hasan video after video.

PCT is not the underdog.
 
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MORONIC comment. No team gets taken lightly when in semis, and and especially in a Final. Your team thoroughly got whooped in the final like no one in an ICC final. Eng were thrashed in semis. Pak is a different beast on a wicket which is more balanced for batting and bowling unlike the dead cr@p in UAE.

Oh yeah of course! It's only the damned UAE pitches that's holding Pakistan back. They are beasts on pitches that suit pacers.

That's why they lost 0-5 in NZ, 1-4 in AUS and 1-4 in ENG in the last 2 years.

And that's why they have a win percentage of 34% in SENA in the last 10 years. BEAST MODE ENGAGED!
 
Abbas and Amir to open. Then Shaheen and Hasan in the middle overs with Shadab and Imad choking the batsmen. Could be a killer combo on paper but a lot needs to happen for that. Amir and Hasan need to get their form back. Abbas needs to be selected for LOIs in SA and then Eng.

Definitely a strong bowling attack in English conditions. While the Indian batsmen hammered them in the Asia Cup, the conditions will be more favorable to the bowlers in England. Pakistan should be considered one of the top 3 teams along with England and India.

Will their bowling be able to over their significant batting deficiencies? The batting lot depends upon how Fakhar performs. He went through quite a slump and it appeared that bowlers had figured out his weakness. However he has put in an improved performance in the NZ ODI series.
 
MORONIC comment. No team gets taken lightly when in semis, and and especially in a Final. Your team thoroughly got whooped in the final like no one in an ICC final. Eng were thrashed in semis. Pak is a different beast on a wicket which is more balanced for batting and bowling unlike the dead cr@p in UAE.

ODI pitches in England are some of the flattest in the world.
 
Oh yeah of course! It's only the damned UAE pitches that's holding Pakistan back. They are beasts on pitches that suit pacers.

That's why they lost 0-5 in NZ, 1-4 in AUS and 1-4 in ENG in the last 2 years.

And that's why they have a win percentage of 34% in SENA in the last 10 years. BEAST MODE ENGAGED!

LOL... an indian making fun of Pak record in SENA LOL...

You will need a burnol after the ICC WC just like you did after ICC CT last year. Do not compare Pak in NZ last time only. Why not look at the last 30 years Pak record Vs NZ in NZ in all formats VS India...you want me bring in upto you or 10 is your favorite number? :asif
 
LOL... an indian making fun of Pak record in SENA LOL...

You will need a burnol after the ICC WC just like you did after ICC CT last year. Do not compare Pak in NZ last time only. Why not look at the last 30 years Pak record Vs NZ in NZ in all formats VS India...you want me bring in upto you or 10 is your favorite number? :asif

You know you are getting desperate when you're trying to cling on to test stats to help your hapless ODI performance. I would recommend you against it because if we bring in tests then you 4 back-to-back whitewashes in Australia will get exposed too. :afridi

I don't need to look at 10 years. We can look at last 5 years. Where Pakistan's win percentage in SENA improves massively from 34% to 35%. :misbah

And feel free check India's ODI record in SENA in the last 10 years. But keep some Burnol handy. :ashwin

After seeing that when you get sad, you can put on the CT17 highlights to stop your tears. I'm sure you had to do the same after the thrashing India gave your team in the Asia Cup. :dw
 
Most open World Cup in a long time but still don't see us winning it with our current batting line up.
 
You know you are getting desperate when you're trying to cling on to test stats to help your hapless ODI performance. I would recommend you against it because if we bring in tests then you 4 back-to-back whitewashes in Australia will get exposed too. :afridi

I don't need to look at 10 years. We can look at last 5 years. Where Pakistan's win percentage in SENA improves massively from 34% to 35%. :misbah

And feel free check India's ODI record in SENA in the last 10 years. But keep some Burnol handy. :ashwin

After seeing that when you get sad, you can put on the CT17 highlights to stop your tears. I'm sure you had to do the same after the thrashing India gave your team in the Asia Cup. :dw

you know when you have no cricket sense when you bring up ODI results from lifeless UAE wickets to satisfy hurt ego - That is definitely a burnol time. Just like test format is different to ODI format, playing conditions of UAE wickets are far different than Eng wickets and conditions. Admit it, ICC final epic beating will ache your heart for the rest of the life until things even out sometime in the future in an ICC FINAL lol...Bhangda tiiiime...now go on with your useless stats which will make zero difference in the future.
 
you know when you have no cricket sense when you bring up ODI results from lifeless UAE wickets to satisfy hurt ego - That is definitely a burnol time. Just like test format is different to ODI format, playing conditions of UAE wickets are far different than Eng wickets and conditions. Admit it, ICC final epic beating will ache your heart for the rest of the life until things even out sometime in the future in an ICC FINAL lol...Bhangda tiiiime...now go on with your useless stats which will make zero difference in the future.

I just showed you what PCT has done in SENA in the last 5 years. Win percentage of 35%. In bilaterals, a W/L count of 5/24.

And of course even in UAE, forget India even Bangladesh beat PCT black and blue.

Stop making excuses for a team that has been plain mediocre in the last 5 years. It's not the pitch it's not the conditions. Pakistan have been poor in ODIs everywhere in the world.

One CT win isn't going to change that. This exact same thing happened with WI in 2004. They won the CT back then. But today nobody remembers the WI team of 2004 because they were poor throughout that phase.
 
I just showed you what PCT has done in SENA in the last 5 years. Win percentage of 35%. In bilaterals, a W/L count of 5/24.

And of course even in UAE, forget India even Bangladesh beat PCT black and blue.

Stop making excuses for a team that has been plain mediocre in the last 5 years. It's not the pitch it's not the conditions. Pakistan have been poor in ODIs everywhere in the world.

One CT win isn't going to change that. This exact same thing happened with WI in 2004. They won the CT back then. But today nobody remembers the WI team of 2004 because they were poor throughout that phase.

Bye Bye to you and your useless rambling. The pain of loss has effected your rational thinking. WI has achieved zilch since the loss while Pak just drew test series in Eng - a major difference in talent. But go on with your useless stats and keep appeasing your damaged ego.
 
I just showed you what PCT has done in SENA in the last 5 years. Win percentage of 35%. In bilaterals, a W/L count of 5/24.

And of course even in UAE, forget India even Bangladesh beat PCT black and blue.

Stop making excuses for a team that has been plain mediocre in the last 5 years. It's not the pitch it's not the conditions. Pakistan have been poor in ODIs everywhere in the world.

One CT win isn't going to change that. This exact same thing happened with WI in 2004. They won the CT back then. But today nobody remembers the WI team of 2004 because they were poor throughout that phase.

lol, what is W/L ratio of WI in away tests since 2004 CT win, yes that's right, they have won 6 lost 38, with 4 of those wins coming against Bang and Zim. In comparison Pakistan has won 21 lost 35 in the same period. You just cannot compare Pak to WI. WI have been very poor in last two decades.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...span;team=4;team=7;template=results;type=team
 
You know you are getting desperate when you're trying to cling on to test stats to help your hapless ODI performance. I would recommend you against it because if we bring in tests then you 4 back-to-back whitewashes in Australia will get exposed too. :afridi

I don't need to look at 10 years. We can look at last 5 years. Where Pakistan's win percentage in SENA improves massively from 34% to 35%. :misbah

And feel free check India's ODI record in SENA in the last 10 years. But keep some Burnol handy. :ashwin

After seeing that when you get sad, you can put on the CT17 highlights to stop your tears. I'm sure you had to do the same after the thrashing India gave your team in the Asia Cup. :dw

Check the record of Pakistan and India in tests in SENA countries since 2010, and you will need burnol :moyo2

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...span;team=6;team=7;template=results;type=team
 
Talking about ODIs bro. Try to keep up.

As for tests, rankings are there for the world to see. :shh

You can console yourself with the rankings after Australia gives you another reality check:starc

As for your artificial no.1 ranking, whole world knows that India is the biggest home track bully. Destroying visiting teams on rank turners is the only way the can win :ravi
 
Definitely a strong bowling attack in English conditions. While the Indian batsmen hammered them in the Asia Cup, the conditions will be more favorable to the bowlers in England. Pakistan should be considered one of the top 3 teams along with England and India.

Will their bowling be able to over their significant batting deficiencies? The batting lot depends upon how Fakhar performs. He went through quite a slump and it appeared that bowlers had figured out his weakness. However he has put in an improved performance in the NZ ODI series.

Yep. Pakistan bowling will be great in Eng provided their gun bowlers Amir and Hasan get back into form. There is enough time for them to come back. The batting is always an enigma and they can score anywhere between 150 to 350 on their day. They are never an under dog and always a dark horse in any competetion
 
Truth: Never leave Pak out of any competition. There is NOT ONE outright favorite for this WC. The true pakpassioners will back Pak, though we know we always are unpredictable for our cavalier attitude in general.

What bothers me is when some random masqueraded Pakistan cricket followers and neighborhood trolls start degrading Pakistan cricket achievements and dismiss our achievements.

In this WC, Eng, NZ, SA, AU, Pak, and India may beat each other in any of the games. The other teams - BD, WI, and SL can upset more frequently than any of the past underdogs. If games start to wash out or curtailed for bad weather, we might suffer some heartache - depending the team one is following. The conditions in Eng change rapidly. If a games starts favoring batting, best of the bowlers will get spanked. While on the same day, if conditions changed in the evening, a Dinda will be become a batsman's nightmare.

I wish the best of luck to MY team Pakistan. May the force be with it.
 
And we will see what your soormas do when the ball is gonna talk in Eng - I am sure it won't be any different than the thrashing you suffered in Eng by Eng - difference would be that now you will be thrashed by any team with an average bowling attack, let alone Pak. After your first 3 games against SA, AU, NZ, you will be disappeared probably from this forum for a while as it happened last year after the final.

As for India touring if you can play half as well as we played in SA in tests you will be jumping with joy.And you wont even have morkel and ABD and amla to face.Forget 5-1 in ODIs.As for England,yeah we messed up despite playing well.Not too worried about close ODI series we were missing bumrah and bhuvi.5-0 in NZ should have told you about your 'champion' team's credentials.

Last year i wasn't even in this forum.
And in CT overall it was 1-1.We crushed you in the first game.You won 1 ICC knockout match against India in your whole history,congratz.Came down to earth in the asia cup where your soormas who were going to take 10 wkts alone were massacred by kohli-less India A.
 
As for India touring if you can play half as well as we played in SA in tests you will be jumping with joy.And you wont even have morkel and ABD and amla to face.Forget 5-1 in ODIs.As for England,yeah we messed up despite playing well.Not too worried about close ODI series we were missing bumrah and bhuvi.5-0 in NZ should have told you about your 'champion' team's credentials.

Last year i wasn't even in this forum.
And in CT overall it was 1-1.We crushed you in the first game.You won 1 ICC knockout match against India in your whole history,congratz.Came down to earth in the asia cup where your soormas who were going to take 10 wkts alone were massacred by kohli-less India A.

Aaand this is what I meant on my previous post... agya ghar ka sher bahar ke bheegi bili... I am not gonna waste time on you. Bye Bye.
 
Aaand this is what I meant on my previous post... agya ghar ka sher bahar ke bheegi bili... I am not gonna waste time on you. Bye Bye.

Some people just need the comfort of consolation wins.

Like a fluke CT win. And a fluke 1-1 draw in England in a 2 test series where Pak lost by an innings in the 2nd test match. Today Zimbabwe also drew 1-1 with Bangladesh. Congratulations you are in good company.

I don't think any win in the history of cricket has been milked as much as CT17. And the funniest thing is, most Indian fans didn't even bat an eyelid when India won it in 2013. I literally didn't even watch a single match of CT13 live. I bet most casual fans in India have already forgotten CT13. But apparently June 18th is national holiday for some people. As they say, choti choti khushiyan...
 
I dont understand this thread at all. Didn't Pakistan just won the ICC Champions trophy in Eng? How can they become underdog in 2 years time?

World cup only has 10 teams and rest assure SL, Afg, BD wont win. That leaves us with 7 teams. Its looking tough for Aussies to win again this time. So we are down to 6. SA without ABDV is not that strong. India just streamrolled them in ODI series in SA. So chances of them winning is slim too. NZ as usual will fade out by semis.England at home will be favourite, followed by ever consistent India and 3rd favourite is Pakistan. The real underdogs in this world cup is WI. With influx of new young players they are looking good.


My List:

Favourite - England
2nd Fav - India
3rd Fav - Pakistan

Dark Horse - West Indies
 
Some people just need the comfort of consolation wins.

Like a fluke CT win. And a fluke 1-1 draw in England in a 2 test series where Pak lost by an innings in the 2nd test match. Today Zimbabwe also drew 1-1 with Bangladesh. Congratulations you are in good company.

I don't think any win in the history of cricket has been milked as much as CT17. And the funniest thing is, most Indian fans didn't even bat an eyelid when India won it in 2013. I literally didn't even watch a single match of CT13 live. I bet most casual fans in India have already forgotten CT13. But apparently June 18th is national holiday for some people. As they say, choti choti khushiyan...

Boy, you really don't learn do you, 1-1 was a fluke you say. Pakistan has won 5 tests in England in last 8 years, while India have only 2 wins and 11 losses to show for. An Indian lecturing Pakistan on record in SENA countries is like Australian lecturing others on how to play in Asia,lol.
 
Boy, you really don't learn do you, 1-1 was a fluke you say. Pakistan has won 5 tests in England in last 8 years, while India have only 2 wins and 11 losses to show for. An Indian lecturing Pakistan on record in SENA countries is like Australian lecturing others on how to play in Asia,lol.

And yet India's last series win in England came in 2007 while Pakistan's came all the way back in 1996. :shh

Also, I don't think India's ever had the misfortune of suffering through 4 back-to-back whitewashes in a SENA nation like PCT has in Australia. But apparently for some, cricket starts and ends in England And even there they last won 22 years ago. :dw
 
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And yet India's last series win in England came in 2007 while Pakistan's came all the way back in 1996. :shh

Also, I don't think India's ever had the misfortune of suffering through 4 back-to-back whitewashes in a SENA nation like PCT has in Australia. But apparently for some, cricket starts and ends in England And even there they last won 22 years ago. :dw

Whatever floats your boat and helps you sleep at night. Bye.:shhh
 
Boy, you really don't learn do you, 1-1 was a fluke you say. Pakistan has won 5 tests in England in last 8 years, while India have only 2 wins and 11 losses to show for. An Indian lecturing Pakistan on record in SENA countries is like Australian lecturing others on how to play in Asia,lol.

Not sure if you realize that SENA is not only England but also includes SA, Australia and NZ.

If you are going to compare India's performance in SENA countries to Pakistan's, you need to look at their records in all 4 countries, and also look at not only wins and losses, but also draws.
 
Not sure if you realize that SENA is not only England but also includes SA, Australia and NZ.

If you are going to compare India's performance in SENA countries to Pakistan's, you need to look at their records in all 4 countries, and also look at not only wins and losses, but also draws.

I know pretty well what SENA means, and the link below shows both team's record overall in Aus, SA, NZ and Eng since 2010.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...span;team=6;team=7;template=results;type=team

Where does it say only England?
 
I know pretty well what SENA means, and the link below shows both team's record overall in Aus, SA, NZ and Eng since 2010.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...span;team=6;team=7;template=results;type=team

Where does it say only England?

1. Your post which I replied to mentioned only England.

2. Not sure if you were intentionally trying to pull a fast one, your stats link was from Jun 1, 2010 onwards, not Jan 1, 2010. This omits 2 Pakistani defeats. If you include all of 2010, you have Pakistan with a loss percentage of 70.83% (17/22), whereas India has a loss percentage of 68.75% (22/32).

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...span;team=6;team=7;template=results;type=team

3. 2010 is a rather arbitrary cut-off. If we consider this century, then Pakistan has a W/L ratio of 0.354 and India has a W/L ratio of 0.312. Pakistan lost 65.96% (31/47) of its matches, and India lost 55.12% (32/58).

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...span;team=6;team=7;template=results;type=team

Overall, neither India nor Pakistan have a great record in the SENA countries, not much to see here.
 
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I want Pakistan to show up to the WC with an absolute pace battery of six or more pacers that the world fears. Something along the lines of:


Amir
Hasan
Shaheen
Junaid/Shinwari (ok fear is a big word for these two but still :viru)
Musa
Arshad/Naseem
 
1. Your post which I replied to mentioned only England.

2. Not sure if you were intentionally trying to pull a fast one, your stats link was from Jun 1, 2010 onwards, not Jan 1, 2010. This omits 2 Pakistani defeats. If you include all of 2010, you have Pakistan with a loss percentage of 70.83% (17/22), whereas India has a loss percentage of 68.75% (22/32).

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...span;team=6;team=7;template=results;type=team

3. 2010 is a rather arbitrary cut-off. If we consider this century, then Pakistan has a W/L ratio of 0.354 and India has a W/L ratio of 0.312. Pakistan lost 65.96% (31/47) of its matches, and India lost 55.12% (32/58).

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...span;team=6;team=7;template=results;type=team

Overall, neither India nor Pakistan have a great record in the SENA countries, not much to see here.
Even if you include those two defeats, Pakistan still has a W/L ratio of 0.352 which is almost twice of India's W/L ratio of 0.181. Why is your focus only on losing percentage? Pakistan's winning percentage is 25 %, which is twice that of India's winning percentage of 12.5 %. Secondly I took the data from 2010 onwards, because 2010's is the current decade and is the most reflective of both team's current performance in SENA countries.
I see that you also took the data from 2000 onwards, which is too long of period to conclude about the present teams. Still Pakistan's W/L ratio is slightly better than India's in that scenario.

Finally, if you want to go the longer route , then consider both team's records in SENA since 1947, when Pakistan got its independence. So lets take the data form 15th August 1947 and here is the link below.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...span;team=6;team=7;template=results;type=team

Pakistan has a considerably better W/L ratio of 0.453 than India's W/L ratio of 0.263.
 
Even if you include those two defeats, Pakistan still has a W/L ratio of 0.352 which is almost twice of India's W/L ratio of 0.181. Why is your focus only on losing percentage? Pakistan's winning percentage is 25 %, which is twice that of India's winning percentage of 12.5 %. Secondly I took the data from 2010 onwards, because 2010's is the current decade and is the most reflective of both team's current performance in SENA countries.
I see that you also took the data from 2000 onwards, which is too long of period to conclude about the present teams. Still Pakistan's W/L ratio is slightly better than India's in that scenario.

Finally, if you want to go the longer route , then consider both team's records in SENA since 1947, when Pakistan got its independence. So lets take the data form 15th August 1947 and here is the link below.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...span;team=6;team=7;template=results;type=team

Pakistan has a considerably better W/L ratio of 0.453 than India's W/L ratio of 0.263.

Now you are just being argumentative.

1) "Even if you include those two defeats"??? Dude, if you have been caught providing wrong stats, a bit more humility will serve you better.

2) I did not "focus only on losing percentage". For 2010 onwards I gave both W/L ratio and losing percentage.

3) 2010 is still an arbitrary cut-off given that hardly anyone from that team is still playing. "2010's is the current decade and is the most reflective of both team's current performance in SENA countries" is wrong as the current teams entirely different.

4) Going back to 1947? I doubt anybody cares what happened that far back.

This is getting to be a waste of time. No more replies unless I see something intelligent.
 
Boy, you really don't learn do you, 1-1 was a fluke you say. Pakistan has won 5 tests in England in last 8 years, while India have only 2 wins and 11 losses to show for. An Indian lecturing Pakistan on record in SENA countries is like Australian lecturing others on how to play in Asia,lol.

We have lost every non-Lords and Oval Test since 2001, and we haven’t won a series in England since people were watching movies on VHS tapes Afridi was only 16.

Not sure what the fuss is about. Yes we do better than India in the London venues, but I am sure they will prefer their superior ranking and obviously the superior overall record against all teams (except England).
 
I want Pakistan to show up to the WC with an absolute pace battery of six or more pacers that the world fears. Something along the lines of:


Amir
Hasan
Shaheen
Junaid/Shinwari (ok fear is a big word for these two but still :viru)
Musa
Arshad/Naseem

Mohammad Hasnain??
 
Now you are just being argumentative.

1) "Even if you include those two defeats"??? Dude, if you have been caught providing wrong stats, a bit more humility will serve you better.

2) I did not "focus only on losing percentage". For 2010 onwards I gave both W/L ratio and losing percentage.

3) 2010 is still an arbitrary cut-off given that hardly anyone from that team is still playing. "2010's is the current decade and is the most reflective of both team's current performance in SENA countries" is wrong as the current teams entirely different.

4) Going back to 1947? I doubt anybody cares what happened that far back.

This is getting to be a waste of time. No more replies unless I see something intelligent.

You, yourself went back, as far as 2000, while you complain me of going back to 1947, while I gave you the stats from the recent decade. Obviously you don't have much to argue about . To minimize the gap between two teams, you went back to 2000, still Pakistan has better record in that scenario too. Whole world knows Pakistan has been the best team in SENA by a country mile. Do you know that in 1990's India didn't win a single test in SENA while Pakistan won 10?.Even Sri Lanka won 2,lol.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

I know it hurts but that it is the truth and truth is bitter.
 
Even if you include those two defeats, Pakistan still has a W/L ratio of 0.352 which is almost twice of India's W/L ratio of 0.181. Why is your focus only on losing percentage? Pakistan's winning percentage is 25 %, which is twice that of India's winning percentage of 12.5 %. Secondly I took the data from 2010 onwards, because 2010's is the current decade and is the most reflective of both team's current performance in SENA countries.
I see that you also took the data from 2000 onwards, which is too long of period to conclude about the present teams. Still Pakistan's W/L ratio is slightly better than India's in that scenario.

Finally, if you want to go the longer route , then consider both team's records in SENA since 1947, when Pakistan got its independence. So lets take the data form 15th August 1947 and here is the link below.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...span;team=6;team=7;template=results;type=team

Pakistan has a considerably better W/L ratio of 0.453 than India's W/L ratio of 0.263.

You have have successfully replied to him with facts. Everyone knows that Pakistan has been the best Asian team historically, but its useless arguing with Indians. They shift the goal post as it suits them.

As for the records Pakistan has been brilliant in England and New zealand. They didn't lose a test series in New zealand till the last one in 2016, and that was after 32 years Pak lost in New zealand. In Australia and South Africa both Pakistan and India have poor records and are yet to win a series there.
 
We have lost every non-Lords and Oval Test since 2001, and we haven’t won a series in England since people were watching movies on VHS tapes Afridi was only 16.

Not sure what the fuss is about. Yes we do better than India in the London venues, but I am sure they will prefer their superior ranking and obviously the superior overall record against all teams (except England).

Do you want to know their record in NZ? It is NOT pretty!
 
You have have successfully replied to him with facts. Everyone knows that Pakistan has been the best Asian team historically, but its useless arguing with Indians. They shift the goal post as it suits them.

As for the records Pakistan has been brilliant in England and New zealand. They didn't lose a test series in New zealand till the last one in 2016, and that was after 32 years Pak lost in New zealand. In Australia and South Africa both Pakistan and India have poor records and are yet to win a series there.

You have no clue about history. India was ranked #1 way back in 1971. India beat Pakistan in a Test series in 1953, while Pakistan had to wait till 1979 to beat India. The only reason why Pakistan is ahead is the Tests head to head is the countries didn't play each other from the mid-60s to the mid-70s when India was a far superior team.

If it was true that "Pakistan has been the best Asian team historically" then it wouldn't have been whitewashed 12-0 in WCs by India.

Anyway, instead of trying to live in history you should focus on not getting whitewashed at home by SL which still hasn't won one Test in India. Or isn't that whitewash part of the history of the "best Asian team historically"?

No replies unless I see something intelligent.
 
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