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sweep_shot said:
What are you smoking? :inti

Today wasn't the right time for Bazball. If you watch cricket for a long time, you should know this.

Bazball also failed them in the past. There was a reason why they finished 5th last WTC.

If England want to be a top Test side, they have to mix Bazball with sensible batting. :inti
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They choose players only fit for bazz ball . Only root and Jamie smith can play defensively , have some cricketing knowledge with you...their aim is to only play aggressive cricket and win the game for them. They either win or loose ..not play defensive mindset to make it draw.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Congrats India, just shows they are better team without certain players who think they can pick n choose when they want to play 😉
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Pakistani fans trying very hard but I know they are hurting badly. Hope you enjoyed the Indian win. :kp
 
sweep_shot said:
I still expect India to lose this series. :inti

We may see 3-1 or 3-2 to England.
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Hope so. But I agree with you, England have been reckless, and their in - Game IQ is absolutely shocking. Hopefully, starting from next test, they show the Game the respect it deserves!
 
Young team. This team has very light weight experience. THey have absolutely trounced England at Edgbaston. No Bumrah. No kuldeep. Still won handsomely. Don't think any other young team can pull this off against this English team. They would have been humiliated. But for dropped chances India could have won first test too. That shows the bench strength.
 
England ko sharam se doob ke mar jana chaiye. India is now going to win this series with their new found confidence. A bowling attack of Bhumrah, Akashdeep, Siraj will give England nightmares. Even if England prepares green tops going forward, I back India's pace attack to out bowl England bowling attack.
 
Savak said:
England ko sharam se doob ke mar jana chaiye. India is now going to win this series with their new found confidence. A bowling attack of Bhumrah, Akashdeep, Siraj will give England nightmares. Even if England prepares green tops going forward, I back India's pace attack to out bowl England bowling attack.
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We should not be over confident. Apart from Gill, Rahul, Pant & Jaiswal our batting hasn't clicked.

With a gap of only 3 days between this & the next test, another flat surface at Lord's, India have to be careful of the bowler's workloads.
 
This is just not a simple win but india humiliated and destroyed the arrogance of stokes, England commie and supporters. :kp
 
Savak said:
England ko sharam se doob ke mar jana chaiye. India is now going to win this series with their new found confidence. A bowling attack of Bhumrah, Akashdeep, Siraj will give England nightmares. Even if England prepares green tops going forward, I back India's pace attack to out bowl England bowling attack.
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They have taken 20 wickets agianst this team on a flat wicket

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BDfanforever said:
So far in this series, Eng is getting hammered and humiliated to be honest. If they dont bring back Archer, Atkinson, their bowling attack is led by Chris Woakes LOL. Bashir is also a mediocre spinner. I thought they had better spinners than Bashir.
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Atkinson is injured.

Bashir is very mediocre, they should pick Hartley the left arm spinner who troubled India last year.
 
Devadwal said:
Has your opinion change now ? :kp
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No. It is a weak side. Akash played out of his skin as did Gill. But on paper it was weak and defensive. They did very well though and exceeded expectations. However trying to lengthen the batting with bits and pieces is not the best tactic for a talented side like India.

What do you think? Despite the result are you happy with team composition?
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Mindset overall isn't too bad. I like the batting approach. It is good in most cases, I don't think they did anything too reckless in the 4th innings. India bowled fantastic and deserve a huge amount of credit for how they made the ball talk.

What I don't like is:

1. Preparing complete phattas.
2. Thinking that chasing no matter the condition is good test match strategy.
3. Test match bowling is a complete afterthought and is basically cannon fodder.

Those things are something that they need to fix urgently.
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Those things cannot be fixed quickly.

India bowled well no doubt , but this ultra aggressive approach is not required in Test. This will be further exposed in the rest 3 games as well as in Ashes.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
No. It is a weak side. Akash played out of his skin as did Gill. But on paper it was weak and defensive. They did very well though and exceeded expectations. However trying to lengthen the batting with bits and pieces is not the best tactic for a talented side like India.

What do you think? Despite the result are you happy with team composition?
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India needs to bring in a specialist spinner , this tactic will not work with Teams that play Test cricket like Test cricket.
 
India script an inspiring first Test win at Edgbaston

Requiring seven wickets to win on the final day, Indian bowlers, led by Akash Deep, who registered his maiden ten-wicket haul, bowled England out for 271 to square the five-match series 1-1.

India came into the second Test at Edgbaston with the history of not having won a single Test match at the venue and without having their premium bowler Jasprit Bumrah in the playing XI.

During the eve of the match, India skipper Shubman Gill had spoken about focussing on winning without thinking much about the past. He made sure his team walked the talk after he led India to a historic 336-run win, while scoring a record 430 runs in the Test. This victory at Birmingham is also India’s biggest away Test win in terms of runs.

After a brief rain interruption, England started Day 5 needing 536 runs with seven wickets in hand before Akash Deep’s double strikes of Ollie Pope (24) and Harry Brook (23) within the first half an hour of play put the hosts on backfoot early in the day.

With his team in deep trouble at 83/5, skipper Ben Stokes stitched a 70-run partnership with the first innings centurion Jamie Smith trying to steady the ship but Washington Sundar trapped Stokes in front of the stumps at the stroke of lunch making it India’s session completely.

Smith continued from where he left in the first innings, bringing up another half century and holding fort for the hosts post lunch. Prasidh Krishna then sent back Chris Woakes before Smith took on Deep hitting him for two consecutive sixes. Deep however had the last laugh as he picked his first-ever five-for in Tests when Smith attempted to hit the bowler for a third six and hitting it straight to Sundar instead.

India then completed formalities soon after when a stunning diving catch by Mohammad Siraj helped Ravindra Jadeja to grab his first wicket of the innings and Deep fittingly pouching the final wicket of Brydon Carse, claiming a maiden 10-wicket haul in the process as India notched up their first win the new ICC World Test championship cycle.

With the series poised at 1-1, the teams will lock horns for the all-important third Test at Lord's from Thursday, 10 July.


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Devadwal said:
Sarrrr root will score 300.

Sarrr England will win 2nd test .

Sarrr England is going to score 1000+

Sarr India can't win without Bumrah

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

:kp
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Sarcasm. You cant understand it, not my fault. But you are uneducated so can't complain
 
What the hell 🤣

I saw the weather early today and thought it would be a washed out day and accepted our fate and bad luck
For a draw and went to relatives place.

Got drunk as hell with cousins and forgot about the cricket 🤣

Just saw the scores now and India’s win comfortably. What a pleasant surprise

Well done Akashdeep. A 10fer in these conditions is so special.

Take a bow Shubman Gill.
He’s having a historic debut run as test captain

Beginning of an era truly
 
kron said:
spinners arent good enough to even bowl in turning pitches lmao.

what happened to our spinners.

shows you how a quality player once set can play well in any condition

maybe novelty factor but jamie smith is looking like a class player.
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We had one quality spinner in Ashwin and we did not treat him with respect. He should have played a lot more tests abroad and he should have been playing in this tour too. He retired because he felt disrespected, after taking 500+ test wickets you all discarded him for a loser in Jadeja who can’t take a wicket abroad if his life depended on it.
 
What Akashdeep and Siraj have done in England, Naseem will never ever replicate in his entire career.
 
So, India managed one fluke win after quite a while.

Their last 10 Tests: 2 wins (including this one), 7 losses, and 1 draw.

:inti:inti
 
harshjoshi87 said:
Atkinson is injured.

Bashir is very mediocre, they should pick Hartley the left arm spinner who troubled India last year.
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Cant really put the blame on the spinners when Stokes fields first. Any decent spinner worth his salt would ideally want his batsman to score 650 so then he can work with scoreboard pressure and a wicket which would naturally take spin come day 4 and 5.
 
Savak said:
What Akashdeep and Siraj have done in England, Naseem will never ever replicate in his entire career.
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Naseem could have been groomed to do this. He had natural ability and a lot of passion for the game
 
dravidthewall said:
They choose players only fit for bazz ball . Only root and Jamie smith can play defensively , have some cricketing knowledge with you...their aim is to only play aggressive cricket and win the game for them. They either win or loose ..not play defensive mindset to make it draw.
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You first increase your cricket knowledge before lecturing others. :inti

You have demonstrated you don't understand Test. You are probably a casual IPL fan. :inti

Bazball is not a good strategy in all situations. If it was, England wouldn't finish 5th in the last WTC.

England could've drawn this Test had they batted sensibly. They couldn't even last for 3 sessions. Retarded batting.
 
Bhaijaan said:
We had one quality spinner in Ashwin and we did not treat him with respect. He should have played a lot more tests abroad and he should have been playing in this tour too. He retired because he felt disrespected, after taking 500+ test wickets you all discarded him for a loser in Jadeja who can’t take a wicket abroad if his life depended on it.
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Naa, Ashwin got enough chances but never managed to get wickets overseas. I remember Ashwin sulking when he didn’t play a single match in England during that memorable 2021 series, but didn’t do anything of note when he actually played in the WTC final. Though I agree with you- Jadeja shouldn’t be in the squad either as he is pretty much done as a bowler. I would have both Kuldeep & Washy (more for his batting skills) play in the Lords test.
 
Mockingbird said:
Naa, Ashwin got enough chances but never managed to get wickets overseas. I remember Ashwin sulking when he didn’t play a single match in England during that memorable 2021 series, but didn’t do anything of note when he actually played in the WTC final. Though I agree with you- Jadeja shouldn’t be in the squad either as he is pretty much done as a bowler. I would have both Kuldeep & Washy (more for his batting skills) play in the Lords test.
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Eh what? He missed 60% of the SENA matches. He was way better than Jadeja
 
DeadlyVenom said:
No. It is a weak side. Akash played out of his skin as did Gill. But on paper it was weak and defensive. They did very well though and exceeded expectations. However trying to lengthen the batting with bits and pieces is not the best tactic for a talented side like India.

What do you think? Despite the result are you happy with team composition?
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I agree with your view on the bits and pieces players. The issue is the lack of a quality pace bowling all rounder for SENA conditions. Shardul has deteriorated, Nitish Reddy is a batting all rounder, and Hardik Pandya doesn’t/can’t play red ball cricket. That throws off the balance of the team and to bat to number 8, bits and pieces players for the conditions are included. This is also the reason why Kuldeep, despite being far superior than Washington Sundar in bowling, can’t get a game. Maybe at Oval he may play.

You might want to rethink your views about Akash Deep. He performed very well against Australia and has done well versus England too. He was out injured for a bit but he is quite effective in SENA conditions- in fact his strike rate with the new ball is alongside the greats which is admirable given he’s relatively quite new to international cricket. Let’s hope that continues and he remains a decent bowler.
For the Lord’s Test, India should probably go with 4 pace bowlers: Bumrah, Akash Deep, Siraj, and Arshdeep, but because of lack of batting depth they will again keep out Arshdeep and play Nitish Reddy again. And unfortunately, they will need that batting depth because the law of averages WILL catch up with Gill and Jaiswal and India will need that depth, especially at Lord’s where England will dish out a green top.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
Akash deep and Mohammad Siraj are very Experienced seamers.

Whilst Naseem at 22 is still at the beginning of his Journey. Point is, you cannot buy experience.
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Naseem is certainly not 22, he moves around the outfield like a 27 year old, his age fudging is very evident. He started off as a 144-148 km/hr pacer but has dropped down to 135-137 km/hr and was very ineffective on South African wickets at an age when he should be in the prime of his life. Unlike Siraj, Akashdeep he doesn't know how to set up the batsman and keep then guessing by moving the ball in two different directions while pitching the ball on the same spot or utilizing the crease.

Naseem is so dumb, he will bowl 5-6 consecutive outswingers with the new ball without even thinking that world class batters are finding his bowling extremely one dimensional and predictable.

It's the same story with Shaheen and his predictable one dimensional inswingers with the new ball.

Abbas is perhaps the only Pakistani red ball bowler who can bowl all day for you, can be relied upon to land the ball consistently on the same spot, to use the crease intelligently, to mix up the inswingers and outswingers but sadly lacks 10-15 km/hr of extra speed which would have prevented batsmen from standing outside the crease to him.
 
sweep_shot said:
Here is a comment from Cricinfo (the guy agrees with me): :inti

"Could not understand England's approach in the last innings. They knew won't be able to chase after 3 wickets down yesterday. They could have played to draw the match but may be Bazball had different ideas."
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naaah .... I think you are missing the conspiracy angle .... the Evil BCCICC arm twisted ECB .... so there that should explain why India won.
 
Savak said:
Naseem is certainly not 22, he moves around the outfield like a 27 year old, his age fudging is very evident. He started off as a 144-148 km/hr pacer but has dropped down to 135-137 km/hr and was very ineffective on South African wickets at an age when he should be in the prime of his life. Unlike Siraj, Akashdeep he doesn't know how to set up the batsman and keep then guessing by moving the ball in two different directions while pitching the ball on the same spot or utilizing the crease.

Naseem is so dumb, he will bowl 5-6 consecutive outswingers with the new ball without even thinking that world class batters are finding his bowling extremely one dimensional and predictable.

It's the same story with Shaheen and his predictable one dimensional inswingers with the new ball.

Abbas is perhaps the only Pakistani red ball bowler who can bowl all day for you, can be relied upon to land the ball consistently on the same spot, to use the crease intelligently, to mix up the inswingers and outswingers but sadly lacks 10-15 km/hr of extra speed which would have prevented batsmen from standing outside the crease to him.
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Can you prove Naseem isn't 22, Remember, Englands Goat, Sir Jimmy Anderson was also very Raw at 22 - 26
 
aboveandbeyond said:
Can you prove Naseem isn't 22, Remember, Englands Goat, Sir Jimmy Anderson was also very Raw at 22 - 26
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Laughable to compare Naseem and Anderson. Anderson toiled hard in county cricket and worked hard to refine his skills behind the scenes. He also decided to purely specialize in test cricket. Naseem in comparison does not have the same desire, work ethic or discipline, just look at his fitness in the field which will tell you everything.
 
Savak said:
Laughable to compare Naseem and Anderson. Anderson toiled hard in county cricket and worked hard to refine his skills behind the scenes. He also decided to purely specialize in test cricket. Naseem in comparison does not have the same desire, work ethic or discipline, just look at his fitness in the field which will tell you everything.
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You'd be surprised at Andersons stats in tests right up to when he was about 28 and he had role models in the England team environment when he came in to it.

On the flip Side, Naseem and Shaheen had Fixers and cheats like Amir Wahab to look up to, not exactly role models.
These boys basically had to lead the Pakistan attack from such a Young age.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
You'd be surprised at Andersons stats in tests right up to when he was about 28 and he had role models in the England team environment when he came in to it.

On the flip Side, Naseem and Shaheen had Fixers and cheats like Amir Wahab to look up to, not exactly role models.
These boys basically had to lead the Pakistan attack from such a Young age.
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Agree.

When Anderson debuted, England had good bowlers like Caddick, Harmison, Hoggard, Simon Jones, Flintoff etc.
 
Savak said:
Laughable to compare Naseem and Anderson. Anderson toiled hard in county cricket and worked hard to refine his skills behind the scenes. He also decided to purely specialize in test cricket. Naseem in comparison does not have the same desire, work ethic or discipline, just look at his fitness in the field which will tell you everything.
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Current Pakistan star bowlers apart from a couple are 4 over bowlers. They are not conditioned to bowl longer spells if required in tests hitting the business areas consistently. Even on a dry wicket they could not reverse ended up conceding 800 runs to England. Next 4 or 5 matches in Pakistan saw spinners taking 98% of the wickets virtually making pacers redundant. Mohammad Abbas briefly showed some test match bowling skills.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
No. It is a weak side. Akash played out of his skin as did Gill. But on paper it was weak and defensive. They did very well though and exceeded expectations. However trying to lengthen the batting with bits and pieces is not the best tactic for a talented side like India.

What do you think? Despite the result are you happy with team composition?
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For lord's test Bumrah is definitely back . Nitish Reddy is useless so he needs to be dropped along with Prasidh Krishna.

One of the spinners need to dropped and play Kuldeep yadav.

KL
Jaiswal
Sai / karun
Gill
Pant
Karun/ Sai
Jadeja / washi
Kuldeep
Bumrah
Akashdeep
Siraj

This should be playing 11 for lord's test.

:kp
 
aboveandbeyond said:
You'd be surprised at Andersons stats in tests right up to when he was about 28 and he had role models in the England team environment when he came in to it.

On the flip Side, Naseem and Shaheen had Fixers and cheats like Amir Wahab to look up to, not exactly role models.
These boys basically had to lead the Pakistan attack from such a Young age.
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Again laughable to blame the likes of Amir, Wahab for Naseem, Shaheen's lack of performance in test cricket. Naseem has hardly played with Amir and Wahab. At the end of the day this is international cricket and these players have been around for a good 6-7 years, they have been given an A, B contract by the PCB and given every type of facility to be the best possible players they can be, these players have been given NOC's by the PCB to play in all leagues and county cricket but have still not developed their skills, bowling IQ or game awareness.

Anderson became great because he put in the work and the performances which enabled the ECB to back him. Right now Naseem and Shaheen are being overly backed by the PCB totally disproportionate to their output.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Current Pakistan star bowlers apart from a couple are 4 over bowlers. They are not conditioned to bowl longer spells if required in tests hitting the business areas consistently. Even on a dry wicket they could not reverse ended up conceding 800 runs to England. Next 4 or 5 matches in Pakistan saw spinners taking 98% of the wickets virtually making pacers redundant. Mohammad Abbas briefly showed some test match bowling skills.
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The point is they have chosen to become 4 over specialists and have no desire to play test cricket. It doesn't help that the PCB themselves don't prioritize test cricket and the PCB does not have the financial muscle of the BCCI, ECB or Cricket Australia to demand exclusitivity from players to Pakistan Cricket which is why everytime the PCB comes down hard on the players by restricting their NOC's, the players threaten to quit the central contracts and become T-20 free lancers.
 
Savak said:
Again laughable to blame the likes of Amir, Wahab for Naseem, Shaheen's lack of performance in test cricket. Naseem has hardly played with Amir and Wahab. At the end of the day this is international cricket and these players have been around for a good 6-7 years, they have been given an A, B contract by the PCB and given every type of facility to be the best possible players they can be, these players have been given NOC's by the PCB to play in all leagues and county cricket but have still not developed their skills, bowling IQ or game awareness.

Anderson became great because he put in the work and the performances which enabled the ECB to back him. Right now Naseem and Shaheen are being overly backed by the PCB totally disproportionate to their output.
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For any budding young cricketers Experienced role models in the Team are to look up to. Anderson had the likes of Hoggard, Harmison, flintoff to look up to and feed off their day to day preparations. This is invaluable.

Naseem Shaheen have come in to a Toxic environment where the set up changes every other week with zero clarity. I'm not surprised one bit these two have gone off the rails. Pcb is one big joke, as currently proven, a criminal is the head.
 
charlie007 said:
I agree with your view on the bits and pieces players. The issue is the lack of a quality pace bowling all rounder for SENA conditions. Shardul has deteriorated, Nitish Reddy is a batting all rounder, and Hardik Pandya doesn’t/can’t play red ball cricket. That throws off the balance of the team and to bat to number 8, bits and pieces players for the conditions are included. This is also the reason why Kuldeep, despite being far superior than Washington Sundar in bowling, can’t get a game. Maybe at Oval he may play.

You might want to rethink your views about Akash Deep. He performed very well against Australia and has done well versus England too. He was out injured for a bit but he is quite effective in SENA conditions- in fact his strike rate with the new ball is alongside the greats which is admirable given he’s relatively quite new to international cricket. Let’s hope that continues and he remains a decent bowler.
For the Lord’s Test, India should probably go with 4 pace bowlers: Bumrah, Akash Deep, Siraj, and Arshdeep, but because of lack of batting depth they will again keep out Arshdeep and play Nitish Reddy again. And unfortunately, they will need that batting depth because the law of averages WILL catch up with Gill and Jaiswal and India will need that depth, especially at Lord’s where England will dish out a green top.
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It makes sense what you are saying but they can still remove one of these bits and pieces while retaining some depth.
The pace attack you have outlined will be a solid attack for lords.
 
Savak said:
The point is they have chosen to become 4 over specialists and have no desire to play test cricket. It doesn't help that the PCB themselves don't prioritize test cricket and the PCB does not have the financial muscle of the BCCI, ECB or Cricket Australia to demand exclusitivity from players to Pakistan Cricket which is why everytime the PCB comes down hard on the players by restricting their NOC's, the players threaten to quit the central contracts and become T-20 free lancers.
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Players themselves have to prioritize Tests. If they let the money guide them they are not going to have any Test legacy.
 
harshjoshi87 said:
Yes just like you were hiding last Tuesday when puppet lost his first match as captain.
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So a young captain with a young team losing a difficult overseas test against a top team is somehow shameful?

.
Have some shame dude. But then someone mental enough to pretend to be another nationality while cheering for that teams failure will of course be shameless too. There are a few of them on here.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
Akash deep and Mohammad Siraj are very Experienced seamers.

Whilst Naseem at 22 is still at the beginning of his Journey. Point is, you cannot buy experience.
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Naseem has been playing for over six years now and has 78 matches in all formats including 20 tests.

Akashdeep has played only 8 tests and almost half of total matches Naseem has played (48)

If Naseem really had any potential, he wouldn't be averaging 35+ in multiple formats, that's among the worst stats among bowlers who have played so many games.

Its Venkatesh Prasad and Manoj Prabhakar level stats.
 
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