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'Aliyah Super Week' brings 500 immigrants from over 20 countries to Israel.

In what the Jewish Agency for Israel (JAFI) has dubbed "Aliyah Super Week," 500 new immigrants from over 20 countries are set to arrive in Israel by Friday, the agency reported.

The International Christian Embassy Jerusalem (ICEJ) has contributed significantly to the "Aliyah Super Week," covering flights for 148 of the new arrivals.



Immigrants from South and Central America, Europe, Scandinavian countries, the UK, the US, Australia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Ethiopia, and other countries worldwide will be touching down in the "Holy Land," despite the recent flare up in the Israel-Gaza conflict.
“Given the intense conflict we have witnessed here over recent weeks, it is quite remarkable to see these hundreds of Jewish immigrants coming home to Israel from all directions," ICEJ President Dr Jürgen Bühler said.
“This is truly inspiring to see these Jewish families cast their lots with Israel just days after the country was under such intense rocket barrages, and it bodes well for the future of the Jewish state," he added.

https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/aliy...rants-from-over-20-countries-to-israel-669443

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Simple question.

Q...IF they arrived at your doorstep because God has given them you land, would you give up your land? Or would it be antisemtic?

A... I would resist by any means.

You?
 
Not really. One of the main reasons why I became non-religious. Using some text from ages ago to harass and persecute people is stupid.
 
Realistically, the same happened in America and Australia/NZ. Oh not to mention Africa. I forgot to mention there is a New York and Washington in the USA. I don't think there is any likewise any new dehlis or chittagongs in the UK.
 
I would try to take my land back and if they don't, and if they don't I would just be like eff it and move to another country.

Appreciate your honesty. Leaving your land and moving may not be so simple depending on where you live. You may end up as a refugee living in huge camps in poverty with your family. They wont swap your land & give you a house in Malibu.
 
Realistically, the same happened in America and Australia/NZ. Oh not to mention Africa. I forgot to mention there is a New York and Washington in the USA. I don't think there is any likewise any new dehlis or chittagongs in the UK.

I think this was imperial colonisation. This is different, extremists taking land simply because God gave it to them. Other difference being all types of nationalities from many countries are turning up with their hand luggage ready to take land belonging to others.
 
Realistically, the same happened in America and Australia/NZ. Oh not to mention Africa. I forgot to mention there is a New York and Washington in the USA. I don't think there is any likewise any new dehlis or chittagongs in the UK.

Well there is a Lahore :)

 
^ Its not immigrant , its colonisation of land by people from anywhere in the world. Not only are they are alllowed to do so, they are encouraged to do so.

Question still stands, esp to our Indian posters who support Israel. As a supporter, I assume you'd give you land to them>:
 
This is exactly the problem with religion. Some illiterates who had no idea of this world wrote some nonsense and people thousands of years later still believe in fairytales wreak havoc on others.

In Palestinians case, I would wish them to join Israel and become a united country for both Jews and Muslims. But both should not give religion and faith too much importance for this to be possible.
 
This is exactly the problem with religion. Some illiterates who had no idea of this world wrote some nonsense and people thousands of years later still believe in fairytales wreak havoc on others.

In Palestinians case, I would wish them to join Israel and become a united country for both Jews and Muslims. But both should not give religion and faith too much importance for this to be possible.

They will not allow you to keep your land/house & join them as someone from another part of the world who has never set foot in the land, is arriving to take your house/land. You can either give up your land/house or refuse, which is it?
 
The history of the world is the strong take what they like and the weak suffer what they must.

The Israelis are strong, the Palestinians are weak. Best not to waste too much energy getting triggered about things people posting on this forum have no hope of changing.

Enjoy your own life !
 
Prophecy coming true here. The world Jewish community are to gather in Israel before the end of time.
 
The history of the world is the strong take what they like and the weak suffer what they must.

The Israelis are strong, the Palestinians are weak. Best not to waste too much energy getting triggered about things people posting on this forum have no hope of changing.

Enjoy your own life !

Im sure we all are enjoying life because none are in the position of the Palestinians.

I assume you would leave your land/home if you were in their shoes?
 
Im sure we all are enjoying life because none are in the position of the Palestinians.

I assume you would leave your land/home if you were in their shoes?

My father’s side of my family was given lands by the British government in Nankana Sahib district in the 1880s when canals were built in western Punjab. So they left their home near Jalandhar to settle one of the new canal colonies. Problem is there were semi nomadic people (their descendants are still called janglis) who my ancestors kicked out of the land in order to start cultivating it.

Given my own family’s history it is quite hypocritical of me to accuse others of stealing land.

But the point remains. Israel is in a position of strength and can do what it likes. Land has always belonged to the strong. It is just the way human society has always worked. Your displeasure at the situation isn’t going to change things.
 
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if GOD has given it to them, then I'll give them without a doubt. I'll trust the judgement of God.
 
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] I think your question could be better phrased:

"Q...IF they arrived at your doorstep because their God has given them your land, would you give up your land? Or would it be antisemtic?"

Jews believe that their God gave them the land according to their book, the Palestinians whether Muslim, Christian, Druze or Atheist don't believe, you original question gives the impression to others that there's like there's only one book and one version of God that exists in the world and the Jews and Palestinians must agree on that; the Qur'an has never promised an Israeli nation state on Palestinian land so Palestinians do not have that obligation, it's another question if the Jews and Palestinian shared the same religion.
 
My father’s side of my family was given lands by the British government in Nankana Sahib district in the 1880s when canals were built in western Punjab. So they left their home near Jalandhar to settle one of the new canal colonies. Problem is there were semi nomadic people (their descendants are still called janglis) who my ancestors kicked out of the land in order to start cultivating it.

Given my own family’s history it is quite hypocritical of me to accuse others of stealing land.

But the point remains. Israel is in a position of strength and can do what it likes. Land has always belonged to the strong. It is just the way human society has always worked. Your displeasure at the situation isn’t going to change things.

Seems like a justification but because your family have been on the benefit side. Its a hypothetical question to see what an individual would do if one day someone turned up at their house & was told they need to leave as God said it belongs to another person. Im therefore assuming you would leave and end up in a refugee camp as you accept the powerful can have their way always.
 
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] I think your question could be better phrased:

"Q...IF they arrived at your doorstep because their God has given them your land, would you give up your land? Or would it be antisemtic?"

Jews believe that their God gave them the land according to their book, the Palestinians whether Muslim, Christian, Druze or Atheist don't believe, you original question gives the impression to others that there's like there's only one book and one version of God that exists in the world and the Jews and Palestinians must agree on that; the Qur'an has never promised an Israeli nation state on Palestinian land so Palestinians do not have that obligation, it's another question if the Jews and Palestinian shared the same religion.

Not all Palestinians are Muslims or even religious, therefore it was framed in such a way.

What would you do?
 
I think you’re being overly emotional about an issue which doesn’t directly affect you. Yeah it’s a bad situation for the Palestinians but it isn’t the first time a group of people have been kicked off their land.

The lesson to learn is to ensure you’re never in a situation where this happens to you. Economic development and military strength are good deterants. They would have served the Palestinians well in the 1940s. But a bit late now.
 
I think you’re being overly emotional about an issue which doesn’t directly affect you. Yeah it’s a bad situation for the Palestinians but it isn’t the first time a group of people have been kicked off their land.

The lesson to learn is to ensure you’re never in a situation where this happens to you. Economic development and military strength are good deterants. They would have served the Palestinians well in the 1940s. But a bit late now.

It does directly impact me as I cant visit Al-Aqsa the 3rd holiest mosque because I will not bow down to state terrorists. Please dont speak on others but only on behalf of yourself.

There is no lesson to be learned from this. You are avoiding the question. Care to answer it? Would you leave & end up in a refugee camp or say no? Its not that difficult to undertand. I think if you were a Palestinians you wouldnt be so relaxed about their land/house taken away.
 
if GOD has given it to them, then I'll give them without a doubt. I'll trust the judgement of God.

Pretty stupid reply.

The question is obv asked to non-Jews and in that scenario what the Jewish book says will not be relevant.
 
Pretty stupid reply.

The question is obv asked to non-Jews and in that scenario what the Jewish book says will not be relevant.

Then what happened to Jews, Christians and Muslims pointing towards the same God?

If God of Jews stated something, this should be automatically true for Christian or Muslims too.
 
Very nice of you to suffer for a belief you reject. Or are you being disingenuous because you are not in their shoes?

This is similar to method acting.

In order to understand the scenario, I've put myself in to shoes of a believer and tried to understand his emotions, reasonings, thought process and then came to the conclusion that, if I were a believer, I would have had done what God asked for without a slightest doubt in my mind.
 
Then what happened to Jews, Christians and Muslims pointing towards the same God?

If God of Jews stated something, this should be automatically true for Christian or Muslims too.

God stated something as per Jews. Christians and Muslims don’t have to believe it or vice versa.
 
God stated something as per Jews. Christians and Muslims don’t have to believe it or vice versa.

As per my understanding, I disagree. Since Jews, Christianity and Islam points towards the same God, if God has stated something, this should be obeyed by all three too.

You can't pick and choose at your own convenience.

If you are outside these three religion, then you've a point as God will be different then.
 
This is similar to method acting.

In order to understand the scenario, I've put myself in to shoes of a believer and tried to understand his emotions, reasonings, thought process and then came to the conclusion that, if I were a believer, I would have had done what God asked for without a slightest doubt in my mind.

Not all Palestinians are believers and most have beliefs which do not state give your land to any old extremist nutter who comes and asks for it.

What would you do as an athiest?
 
Pretty stupid reply.

The question is obv asked to non-Jews and in that scenario what the Jewish book says will not be relevant.

As a Muslim, do you believe that Jewish God and Islamic God are one and the same?
 
Not all Palestinians are believers and most have beliefs which do not state give your land to any old extremist nutter who comes and asks for it.

What would you do as an athiest?

Almost 90% of the population are Sunni Arab Muslims in Palestine. Jews and Christians form the rest.
 
Almost 90% of the population are Sunni Arab Muslims in Palestine. Jews and Christians form the rest.

Irrelevent as none of their beliefs will tell them to leave their house/land because Jews believe God is an estate agent.

As a Hindu or athiest if they came to your house, you'd run off to a refugee camp with your kids?
 
Yes. But I don’t believe all the interpretations of what Jews say

Torat clearly mentions that Jews are the chosen people by God almighty and holy land belongs to them. Holy Quran confirms the same.

I don't know what you do not agree with the interpretations.
 
Not all Palestinians are believers and most have beliefs which do not state give your land to any old extremist nutter who comes and asks for it.

What would you do as an athiest?

What people believe is not important. What holy books tells the people is more important. As a practicing Muslim, you should know this more than anyone else.
 
as I see it, some Muslims tend to use religion card at their own convenience. Though I do not believe in religion, but this is seriously an insult to the entity that you claim to follow.

You are actually using it for your own benefits.
 
What people believe is not important. What holy books tells the people is more important. As a practicing Muslim, you should know this more than anyone else.

Lets leave what you & I know about religion.

If today someone came to your house(India or where you live), asked you to leave, would you? To most the answer is quick & easy, you seem to be thinking about it. lol.
 
Lets leave what you & I know about religion.

If today someone came to your house(India or where you live), asked you to leave, would you? To most the answer is quick & easy, you seem to be thinking about it. lol.

I am an athiest. I do not believe in God so it doesn't matter to me what it says.

If I can give them some land, I will.

If I can't, I won't.
 
Lets leave what you & I know about religion.

If today someone came to your house(India or where you live), asked you to leave, would you? To most the answer is quick & easy, you seem to be thinking about it. lol.

And you are avoiding the question.

Do some muslims use religion as a card for their own benefits?

Yes or no?
 
And you are avoiding the question.

Do some muslims use religion as a card for their own benefits?

Yes or no?

You need to ask them. Or start a thread. I dont use religion for any extra benefit.

You cant answer & You dont need to answer, no sane human with morals or self respect would leave their land/house because someone else claims divine right. Supporters of the Zionist entity should keep this in mind, one day it might happen to you,
 
I am an athiest. I do not believe in God so it doesn't matter to me what it says.

If I can give them some land, I will.

If I can't, I won't.

Its not a choice. You will resist and possibly be killed along with your family but you're ok with that, as Israel must be supported by RSS Indians.
 
You need to ask them. Or start a thread. I dont use religion for any extra benefit.

You cant answer & You dont need to answer, no sane human with morals or self respect would leave their land/house because someone else claims divine right. Supporters of the Zionist entity should keep this in mind, one day it might happen to you,

I already answered your question. if i misunderstood, can you rephrase the question so that I can answer correctly?
 
Its not a choice. You will resist and possibly be killed along with your family but you're ok with that, as Israel must be supported by RSS Indians.

Its not a choice for abrahamic religion as they must obey what God has stated.

Its a choice for me because what God says doesn't have much relevance to me.
 
Again, we have an Athiest, who will happily give religious people land because thier god says so.

You couldn't make it up.
 
I already answered your question. if i misunderstood, can you rephrase the question so that I can answer correctly?

Not sure why you're struggling, its a simple question. Would you give up your land/house if taken by force by anyone/extremits. Yes or No is all you need to answer.

Again, we have an Athiest, who will happily give religious people land because thier god says so.

You couldn't make it up.

More likely to be RSS followers supporing Israel, pretending to be athiests.
 
Not sure why you're struggling, its a simple question. Would you give up your land/house if taken by force by anyone/extremits. Yes or No is all you need to answer.



More likely to be RSS followers supporing Israel, pretending to be athiests.

I already said yes.
 
Why you are trying to force your opinion on others.
if it's my land, I can give whomever I want.

Sure Ive accepted your right. What I am now wanting to know is how you would live in a refugee camp in terrible conditions?
 
Sure Ive accepted your right. What I am now wanting to know is how you would live in a refugee camp in terrible conditions?

It depends upon what your motive of life is.

If having a big house, big car, large bank balance is your priority, then of course you will be miserable.

Not for me because those don't matter to me.

And this I am telling from experience having lived through both the sides of life.
 
Torat clearly mentions that Jews are the chosen people by God almighty and holy land belongs to them. Holy Quran confirms the same.

I don't know what you do not agree with the interpretations.

Muslims believe that the Torat is corrupted
 
Its not a choice for abrahamic religion as they must obey what God has stated.

Its a choice for me because what God says doesn't have much relevance to me.

Let me tell you that the only reason why you bare saying what you are saying is because Muslims are suffering. Your Islamophobia is so obvious. An Ashiest who would "give his land" to people because "God gave it to them", seriously! I have heard it all here.
 
Let me tell you that the only reason why you bare saying what you are saying is because Muslims are suffering. Your Islamophobia is so obvious. An Ashiest who would "give his land" to people because "God gave it to them", seriously! I have heard it all here.

You are calling me "islamophobe" and are attacking my belief with your presumption which adds no contribution to this thread. Let's have a constructive discussion about it you stating why an athiest can not put himself in the shoes of a theist and understand his/her emotions?
 
You are calling me "islamophobe" and are attacking my belief with your presumption which adds no contribution to this thread. Let's have a constructive discussion about it you stating why an athiest can not put himself in the shoes of a theist and understand his/her emotions?

Yes, now that we are done with "God gave the land" bangwagon, lets discuss this from a non-religious point (which I thought would be easier to do with an athiest - and just so you know, I respect all religions, including athiesm, and I was at no point attacking your beliefs).

I am talking about the humanitarian perspective, when a settler comes to your home, and tell you to leave because a home that belonged to you for generations doesn't belong to you now because of someone's colonial motive. The settlers and their followers will come to all kinds of excuses to basically tell the world what they're doing is the right thing. We have seen it all in history, and we are seeing it now too. Unfortunately more support is required from all religious and ethnic groups of the world to actually bring awareness to this injustice against the indigenous Palestinians.
 
Yes, now that we are done with "God gave the land" bangwagon, lets discuss this from a non-religious point (which I thought would be easier to do with an athiest - and just so you know, I respect all religions, including athiesm, and I was at no point attacking your beliefs).

I am talking about the humanitarian perspective, when a settler comes to your home, and tell you to leave because a home that belonged to you for generations doesn't belong to you now because of someone's colonial motive. The settlers and their followers will come to all kinds of excuses to basically tell the world what they're doing is the right thing. We have seen it all in history, and we are seeing it now too. Unfortunately more support is required from all religious and ethnic groups of the world to actually bring awareness to this injustice against the indigenous Palestinians.

The crux of the situation is religion itself. And religion and humanitarian doesn't always go hand in hand.

People from abrahamic religion are basically brothers and sisters because they all belong to the same lineage. If your brother asks their share of land from you, I don't think one should reject because they do have a valid claim.

This is based upon your own beliefs (Not mine). I find it very odd that people use religion at their own convenience. They will call themselves as religious as long as the religion dictates what is convenient to them.

If it becomes inconvenience, then religion is thrown out of the window and humanitarian (or any other aspect which gives them convenience) comes in to play.

As a religious person, one shouldn't claim land of their own. It will God who will allocate the land to the people. If God has given it to Jews, let them have it.

If you reject this idea, then you'll also have to reject the lineage of Islam with that of all abrahamic religion.
 
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-govt-settlers-reach-deal-over-west-bank-outpost-palestinians-angered-2021-06-30/

Jewish settlers have agreed to quit an outpost that has become a flashpoint for clashes with Palestinians who also claim the land, officials said, under a deal aimed at addressing an awkward political test for the new Israeli government.

Under the agreement with Prime Minister Naftali Bennett, the settlers will leave Givat Eviatar outpost in the Israeli-occupied West Bank.

But it seemed likely that at least some of the outpost's new buildings would remain, locked and under military guard, an outcome that is certain to anger Palestinian protesters who demand it be removed.

The hilltop settlement near the Palestinian city of Nablus was established without Israeli government permits in May and is now home to more than 50 families.

The Israeli military ordered it to be cleared, presenting an early challenge for the new prime minister. Bennett was once a leader of the settler movement and heads a pro-settler party, putting him at odds with some of his own voter base if the settlers were forcibly evicted.

But his ruling coalition only survives with the support of left-wing and Islamist Arab parties, making sensitive policy decisions on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict difficult.

An official with Israel's Defence Ministry, which administers the settlements, said the Givat Eviatar families had agreed to leave by the weekend.

Troops would stay and a land survey would be conducted to determine if a government-backed settlement can be established there, the official told Reuters.

Settler leader Yossi Dagan said the families would leave on Friday. The structures serving as their homes would be locked, he said, suggesting they would not be dismantled. The Defence Ministry official did not confirm that.

On Wednesday Moussa Hamayel, deputy mayor of nearby Palestinian village Beita, said: "We will continue our popular activities (protests) until the settlement is removed and our land is returned to us." Beita's residents claim ownership of the area on which Givat Eviatar sits.

Most world powers deem all of the settlements, built on land Israel captured and occupied in a 1967 Middle East war, to be illegal. Israel disputes this, citing historical ties to the land on which they sit, and its own security needs.

U.S. State Department on Wednesday said it was critical to refrain from any unilateral steps that would exacerbate tensions or undercut efforts to advance freedoms. "And this would include establishing outposts which are illegal even under Israeli law," said Department deputy spokesperson Jalina Porter in a briefing.

Israeli soldiers have shot dead five Palestinians during stone-throwing protests since the outpost was set up, Palestinian officials said. The military did not comment on fatalities, but said troops used live fire only as a last resort.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/02/israeli-coalition-faces-early-test-over-illegal-west-bank-settlement-evyatar

Leftwing Israelis have accused the new government of kowtowing to the right over the handling of an illegal settlement near the West Bank city of Nablus, in what is viewed as an early test of the ideologically divided coalition’s stability.

About 50 Jewish families who have moved to the Evyatar settlement over the last two months, building on a hilltop claimed by Palestinian olive farmers, agreed to vacate the land on Friday afternoon.

Under the terms of a deal thrashed out this week by the pro-settlement prime minister, Naftali Bennett, however, their homes will stay standing and a military base will be established there, which is legal. The defence ministry will then perform a land survey to determine whether the area can be claimed by the Israeli state, in which case a civilian religious school will also be built at the site.

Since local Palestinians are likely to have difficulty producing deeds and documents proving ownership, the deal is expected to pave the way for the settlers’ return in the near future.

Under a scorching hot sun on Friday, settlers cleared and vacated their makeshift houses and loaded up cars, many of them returning to their permanent homes in the nearby Ariel settlement. With the help of a crane, a large Star of David was erected, the words “We will return” inscribed on its side.

Several hundred metres away, on a hill opposite the outpost, about 450 Palestinians who live in the nearby villages of Beita and Yatma met the settlers with protests, yelling and setting tyres on fire.

Israeli soldiers shot rubber bullets and used drones to disperse teargas into the crowd, injuring several men who were taken to hospital by ambulance. Several teargas grenades exploded while soldiers tried to attach them to the drone, but they did not seriously harm any troops.

“The army has told us to leave and that’s what we’ll do,” said a 22-year-old settler who asked to remain anonymous. “Palestinians can live here too as long as they respect our culture and the fact that according to the Torah, all of this is Jewish land. If they don’t like that, they can leave.”

Four Palestinians have been killed and dozens injured in previous protests and clashes with Israeli police over the settlement since its establishment in early May.

Gaby Lasky, a Knesset member with the social democratic Meretz party, tweeted: “Evyatar outpost is illegal. Even the settlers admit it. The outline of evacuation of the outpost is the laundering of loot. Building a military base and then allowing a yeshiva is not a solution outline, it is a fault outline. Justice would be to evacuate the outpost, and allow the villages of Beita, Kablan and Yitma to own the land.”

Since the 1967 Arab-Israeli war approximately 475,000 Jewish settlers have built on land in the West Bank captured and occupied by Israel, a practice considered by most of the international community to be illegal.

Evyatar, which sprung up unusually quickly this spring because the Israeli and Palestinian authorities were preoccupied with elections, civil unrest and war in the Gaza Strip, is also illegal under Israeli law.

“The law that protects settlers in Beita is the same one that is used against Palestinians when it comes to our land. Political violence is routinely practised against our people,” said Amani Odeh, a 34-year-old dentist fighting a demolition order for her own home in Jerusalem. “We have no rights,” she added.

While Friday’s evacuation may defuse tensions for the time being, Palestinians and the Israeli left are worried about the precedent Evyatar sets for the new government’s policy on settlement building.

“There is no chief of staff,” the Knesset member Mosi Raz of Meretz said in an interview on Israel’s 103FM radio on Friday, referring to how the defence establishment and the Israeli army, which ordered Evyatar’s demolition, had been sidelined by Bennett’s deal.

“These settlers are our chief of staff. This government is currently 20 degrees to the right compared with the previous one and it is dangerous. It will crash if it continues like this.”

Israel’s two-week-old government was formed after the Yamima party’s Bennett and his centrist partner, Yair Lapid, managed to bring together parties across the political spectrum with one shared goal: ousting the former prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu from his 12-year stint in office.

The coalition encompasses leftists who oppose settlement building, rightwingers such as Bennett who previously led a key settler lobbying group, and, for the first time, members of an Arab party. An agreement to focus on areas of common ground in governance has quickly come unstuck, however, as the Evyatar issue has shown.

Next week the Knesset is scheduled to vote on extending controversial emergency legislation that bans Palestinians married to Israeli citizens from getting Israeli citizenship, and that rights groups say prevents thousands of families from reuniting and living together.

The law has been renewed annually since it was introduced during the peak of the second intifada in 2003, but now elements of the government and opposition are unwilling to back it. Netanyahu’s Likud party hopes the impasse will damage the new government and trigger fresh elections.
 
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-settlements-amount-war-crime-un-rights-expert-2021-07-09/

Israeli settlements in the West Bank amount to a war crime, a U.N. human rights investigator said on Friday, calling on countries to make clear to Israel that its "illegal occupation" cannot be cost-free.

Michael Lynk, U.N. special rapporteur on human rights in the occupied Palestinian territories, was addressing a session of the U.N. Human Rights Council in Geneva, boycotted by Israel which does not recognise his mandate or cooperate with him.

"I conclude that the Israeli settlements do amount to a war crime," Lynk said. "I submit to you that this finding compels the international community...to make it clear to Israel that its illegal occupation, and its defiance of international law and international opinion, can and will no longer be cost-free."
 
No I would never give it to them but the Arab's seem happy enough to do so.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/01/israel-decision-expected-sheikh-jarrah-evictions

Israel’s supreme court is due to make a decision on whether to evict Palestinian families from the East Jerusalem neighbourhood of Sheikh Jarrah, in a final hearing in the controversial case that helped spark communal violence inside Israel and a new war with Hamas earlier this year.

A verdict in the deeply contentious case, which could lead to the neighbourhood’s current residents being forcibly displaced to make way for Jewish settlers in a decades-old dispute, is expected on Monday morning.

The ruling was delayed in May, when the state attorney general made a last-minute request for more time to study the case. But by then anger over the planned evictions had led to some of Jerusalem’s worst unrest in years, in which hundreds of Palestinians were wounded in confrontations with the police.

The Sheikh Jarrah protests coincided with a decision to ban traditional Ramadan gatherings at Jerusalem’s holy sites and marches and riots by far-right Jewish groups, in violence that spiralled into an 11-day confrontation with Hamas in the Gaza strip, which killed 254 Palestinians and 13 people in Israel.

The Times of Israel reported that the Israeli government was seeking to postpone the hearing for another six months in order to diffuse tensions and appease Joe Biden’s administration, which opposes the evictions. The new prime minister, Naftali Bennett, is expected to make his first state visit to Washington DC later in August.

Several Israeli media outlets have also reported that if the court refuses to hear the Palestinians’ petition for appeal, it is unlikely to order the state to carry out the evictions or issue a deadline, and that Bennett’s government could avoid conflict by citing a 1991 attorney general decision that police may decline to implement evictions if there was danger in doing so.

Nonetheless, the case is being watched nervously by communities across the city still reeling from the violence earlier this year. Since May’s clashes, Sheikh Jarrah has been under a police blockade, which residents say amounts to a siege.

“It’s an ongoing nightmare for the families in Sheikh Jarrah: they inherited these problems from their fathers and grandfathers,” said Sami Ershid, a lawyer who has represented the affected Palestinians for the last 15 years.

“From the very beginning they are seen as second-class citizens in a system of comprehensive discrimination. The first step to justice is reopening the issue of the property ownership and we remain hopeful the court will give us space to discuss all of these difficult issues.”

Sheikh Jarrah, named after a doctor who treated Saladin, the Muslim leader who drove the Crusaders out of Jerusalem in the 12th century, is a wealthy East Jerusalem neighbourhood 500 metres (550 yards) north of the Damascus Gate. Israel seized the Old City, along with East Jerusalem and the West Bank, in 1967.

The area is mostly home to Palestinians, but Israeli settlers have moved into some of its properties, saying they were owned by Jews before the war of 1948.

In a decision criticised by rights groups as “a cynical attempt to evade responsibility”, Israel’s attorney general, Avichai Mandelblit, said in June he would not intervene in the Sheikh Jarrah issue. Israeli media reported his office had come to the conclusion that there were no legal means to prevent the evictions.

Ershid and his partner have submitted a new legal opinion that suggests the current residents of Sheikh Jarrah have full property rights to their homes because the Jordanian government granted ownership and began registering the properties before the process was interrupted in the 1967 war.

Lower courts, however, have upheld claims that the properties are owned by the Israeli Nahalat Shimon company.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/02/palestinians-facing-eviction-from-east-jerusalem-offered-deal

Palestinian residents of the occupied East Jerusalem neighbourhood of Sheikh Jarrah facing forcible eviction from their homes have been offered a compromise deal with Jewish settlers by Israel’s supreme court, in an unexpected development in the high-profile case.

The session on Monday, which was supposed to reach a final decision on whether to accept an appeal from four Palestinian families over eviction orders in the decades-old legal battle, was instead met with a surprise entreaty from the judges for the two sides to accept a “practical solution”.

“What we are saying is, let’s move from the level of principles to the levels of practicality,” Justice Isaac Amit told the courtroom, where proceedings took place in Hebrew without translation into Arabic. “People must continue to live there and that’s the idea, to try to reach a practical arrangement.”

The proposed compromise would allow the 70 Palestinians to remain in their homes as tenants with “protected status” and safeguard them from eviction for “the coming years” while paying an annual fee of 1,500NIS (£335) to the Nahalat Shimon company, a settler organisation that lower courts have declared the rightful owners of the disputed properties.

The deal, which leaves the question of legal ownership unanswered, was not greeted with enthusiasm by either side, but both parties are expected to give a formal response in the next court session.

The trade-off, however, is ultimately likely to prove unacceptable to the Palestinians, as it would in effect mean agreeing that the land is not rightfully theirs. The stalemated session concluded with an order from the three justices that the Palestinians must submit a list of names of people eligible for protected tenant status within the next seven days.

“There are all kinds of feelings [in Sheikh Jarrah] right now,” Mohammed el-Kurd, a prominent writer and activist from the neighbourhood, said outside the courtroom before the hearing began.

“I am furious that my fate is in the hands of settlers, settler establishments, settler courts, settler laws … I don’t have any hope or faith [in this process].”

Monday’s unusual proceedings came after the original court decision date in May was postponed amid protests against the evictions. The demonstrations in Sheikh Jarrah spiralled into some of the worst violence across Jerusalem in years, and helped trigger a new 11-day war between Israel and Hamas which left 254 Palestinians and 13 people in Israel dead.

Several Israeli media outlets reported before Monday’s hearing that Israel’s new governing coalition was seeking to delay the decision on evictions in order to diffuse domestic tensions and appease Joe Biden’s administration. The new prime minister, Naftali Bennett, is expected to make his first state visit to Washington DC later in August.

The fight for Sheikh Jarrah, a predominantly Palestinian neighbourhood in occupied East Jerusalem bordering both the Old City and West Jerusalem, touches on three of the most important issues of the Israeli-Palestinian dispute: control of the holy city, the rights of Palestinians living in Israeli-occupied territory, and the Palestinian right to return.

Israeli settlers have moved into some of its properties, saying they were owned by Jews before the war of 1948 surrounding Israel’s creation. Israeli law allows Jews to reclaim property in East Jerusalem, a right denied to Palestinians who lost lands and homes in the same conflict in other parts of the city.

Sheikh Jarrah’s Palestinian residents say that the land had been guaranteed to their families by Jordan, which offered them the homes in exchange for giving up their refugee status. Documents presented to the court on Monday suggested Jordan was interrupted in registering the claims by the war of 1967, in which Israel seized the Old City, along with East Jerusalem and the West Bank.

Israeli authorities have repeatedly said that Sheikh Jarrah’s future is a private property dispute which should be resolved in court, rather than a matter for the state. Attorney general Avichai Mandelblit excused himself from the issue in June.

Rights groups say other families in East Jerusalem are also vulnerable to eviction orders, estimating that more than 1,000 Palestinians in total are at risk of losing their homes in similar court battles.
 
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-sets-goal-doubling-number-jewish-settlers-golan-heights-2021-12-26/

Israel's government set a goal on Sunday of doubling the number of Jewish settlers in the Golan Heights within five years, a move that could tighten its hold on the territory it occupied in fighting with Syria in 1967.

Prime Minister Naftali Bennett cited then-U.S. President Donald Trump's recognition in 2019 of Israeli sovereignty over the Golan and no sign that his successor, Joe Biden, intends to reverse the decision, as factors behind a multimillion-dollar housing and infrastructure plan for the area.

Under a blueprint approved by the cabinet, which held its weekly session on the Golan, some 7,300 housing units will be built in Katzrin, Israel's main settlement in the area, and in smaller Jewish communities.

"The aim of the decision is to double the number of (Israeli) residents in the Golan in the coming years, meaning an addition of 23,000 people in the area," a statement issued by Bennett's office said.

It said two new Golan settlements are also planned, and that 4,000 homes would be built there. Some 20,000 Druze, most of whom still identify as Syrian, also live in the Golan.

Israel annexed the 1,200-square-kilometre (460-square-mile) Golan Heights in 1981, a move that was not recognised by the international community. Syria demands the return of the strategic plateau, which also overlooks Lebanon and borders Jordan.

"It goes without saying that the Golan Heights are Israeli," Bennett told his cabinet in broadcast remarks.

"The fact that the Trump administration recognised that, and the fact that the Biden administration made clear there is no change in that policy, is also important." he said.

In February, shortly after Biden was sworn in as president, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said on CNN that control over the Golan remains of "real importance to Israel's security". Blinken noted the presence in Syria of militia groups backed by Iran, a main ally of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

"Legal questions are something else and over time, if the situation were to change in Syria, that's something we look at, but we are nowhere near that," Blinken said.

Israeli settlement in the Golan has been on a much smaller scale than in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem, areas also captured in a 1967 war and sought by the Palestinians for a future state.

Unlike the West Bank, where many settlers claim a biblical link to the land and thousands commute to jobs in nearby Israeli cities, the more remote Golan offers limited employment opportunities.
 
How can a country be so pro science and lead in technology yet believe in some gibberish text from centuries ago. I cannot wrap my head around it. All that collective high IQ being used to spy, destruction, propaganda. What a waste.

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Tbf the orthodox who are the real Jews imo dont believe in the Zionist ideology. Sadly they are a minority of Jews.

The high rabbis who stood against taking others land were all killed or died in Germany. Zionism then took over, supported by the likes of UK, USA, Europe as it would mean another crusader outpost but this time using the sympathy of the Jews killed by Europeans to support them taking land belonging to others.

There nothing holy, these invaders who travel from around the world are nothing more than cowards. They are protected by Israel and its friends in the west, otherwise they would never travel there regardless of what their estate agent manual says.
 
Tbf the orthodox who are the real Jews imo dont believe in the Zionist ideology. Sadly they are a minority of Jews.

The high rabbis who stood against taking others land were all killed or died in Germany. Zionism then took over, supported by the likes of UK, USA, Europe as it would mean another crusader outpost but this time using the sympathy of the Jews killed by Europeans to support them taking land belonging to others.

There nothing holy, these invaders who travel from around the world are nothing more than cowards. They are protected by Israel and its friends in the west, otherwise they would never travel there regardless of what their estate agent manual says.

Spot on.

What's even more remarkable is atheists who outright reject God etc are willing to defend an ideology (Zionism) based on what is written in a holy book, Torah.

Bottomline - brainwashed by the media and establishment. You got to hand it to the Zionist propaganda machine, they have non-believers subconsciously believing and defending a divine right.
 
Spot on.

What's even more remarkable is atheists who outright reject God etc are willing to defend an ideology (Zionism) based on what is written in a holy book, Torah.

Bottomline - brainwashed by the media and establishment. You got to hand it to the Zionist propaganda machine, they have non-believers subconsciously believing and defending a divine right.

Its mainly athiests from the west. Most likely down to brainwashing since a child..ie to always think the white man can do no wrong.. This then transforms into supporting any occupation, war or aggression if its in the interests in of their nation or their culture.

The hillarious irony is these same people claim they are liberal. lol
 
Why do you guys take the moral high ground when indirectly you support the Zionists and their supporters in the middle east, I get that the Tory vermin would do this but others…….:mv
 
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/palestinian-threatens-burn-sheikh-jarrah-home-rather-than-be-evicted-2022-01-17/

A Palestinian facing eviction by Israeli police from the flashpoint East Jerusalem neighbourhood of Sheikh Jarrah threatened on Monday to blow up gas canisters at his home rather than let his family be forced out.

Scores of police in riot gear surrounded the property from early morning during an hours-long stand-off. Roads were sealed off around the area, about 1 kilometer (one-half mile) north of Jerusalem's Old City walls, where clashes often erupted last year between Palestinians and Jewish settlers.

Jerusalem's municipality expropriated the land to build a school, in an area Israel captured and occupied in a 1967 war, along with the rest of East Jerusalem, and later annexed. An Israeli court ruled in favour of the eviction.

"I will burn the house and everything in it, I will not leave here, from here to the grave, because there is no life, no dignity," Mahmoud Salhiyeh said as he stood on the roof of the building, surrounded by gas canisters.

"I've been in battle with them for 25 years, they sent me settlers who offered to buy the house and I did not agree."

A tree-lined area of sandstone homes, foreign consulates and luxury hotels, Sheikh Jarrah has become an emblem of what Palestinians regard as an Israeli campaign to force them out of East Jerusalem.

Israeli Internal Security Minister Omer Bar-Lev said on Monday a court had ruled the case was one of illegal squatting.

"You can't hold the stick at both ends by both demanding that the municipality take action on welfare for Arab residents and oppose the building of educational establishments for their welfare," Bar-Lev wrote on Twitter.

As Sheikh Jarrah residents and activists monitored the situation from nearby rooftops, the British Consulate in East Jerusalem, located opposite the home, tweeted that Consul-General Diane Corner had joined other diplomats to "bear witness to the ongoing eviction".

The consulate said that such evictions in occupied territory, in all but the most exceptional circumstances, were against international humanitarian law. It urged the Israeli government to "cease such practices which only serve to increase tensions on the ground".
 
Russia-Ukraine war: Israel readies itself for mass migration of Ukrainian Jews
Israeli officials believe the Russian invasion could prompt tens of thousands of Ukrainians to do aliyah. But already there are questions about who is Jewish enough to travel

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/russia-ukraine-war-israel-readies-mass-migration-ukrainian-jews

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It seems the Palestinians will be forced to give away their land for Ukrainian Jews turning up in their thousands.

Would you give your land in UK, USA, India or Pakistan for them?
 
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/russia-ukraine-war-israel-readies-mass-migration-ukrainian-jews

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It seems the Palestinians will be forced to give away their land for Ukrainian Jews turning up in their thousands.

Would you give your land in UK, USA, India or Pakistan for them?

The post is a victim mentality and falls under propaganda. The article no where states that the settlers will be send towards disputed land rather its just assumption of the poster which reflects nothing but biased agenda. This is a dishonest effort in my opinion where the quoted article doesn't imply anything but people tries to spin it around for their own spreading of agenda.
 
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/russia-ukraine-war-israel-readies-mass-migration-ukrainian-jews

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It seems the Palestinians will be forced to give away their land for Ukrainian Jews turning up in their thousands.

Would you give your land in UK, USA, India or Pakistan for them?

So these guys were settled in Ukraine and the bone head starts a war that brings huge implications around the World including for the Palestinians. Not only has it led innocent people dying in their 1000s, it has destroyed the Russian and Ukrainian economies and it will lead to increased world hunger. And Along with another bone headed decision by Bush and Blair over Iraq, this will have consequences for decades.
 
I think defending your own home: country you reside in, if it comes to a event like Ukraine is acceptable to defend.

I guess we are privileged to be able to type this out of the comfort of our homes.

Can’t imagine what it would be like.
 
The post is a victim mentality and falls under propaganda. The article no where states that the settlers will be send towards disputed land rather its just assumption of the poster which reflects nothing but biased agenda. This is a dishonest effort in my opinion where the quoted article doesn't imply anything but people tries to spin it around for their own spreading of agenda.

lol. Hundreds will be housed on stolen land, settlements. You dont need to be genius to realise this. Zionist Jews believe ALL land in West Bank belongs to them. To suggest they would now change their tune is poor.

Plans are being put in place.

WZO to create space for 1,000 Ukrainian families in new portable structures - exclusive

The World Zionist Organization’s Settlement Division plans to place about 1,000 new portable structures throughout Israel’s rural areas to absorb immigrants from Ukraine.

https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-698798
 
You started this thread so how did these particular guys ended up in Israel. Why did they not go there 2 weeks ago? Any ideas?

Zionist Jews from the world have been going to occupied Palestine for decades, inc Ukraine.

This was from last year.

During the first week of November 2020, 120 young Ukrainians and 46 young Brazilians arrived in Israel, despite the logistical challenges due to the coronavirus pandemic.

https://www.jewishagency.org/166-young-brazilians-and-ukrainians-arrive-in-israel/

Israel is happy for this war, they want more Jews in order to steal more land.

Let me ask you a question now.

Do you support Ukrainian Jews taking others land because evil Russia is around?
 
Zionist Jews from the world have been going to occupied Palestine for decades, inc Ukraine.

This was from last year.



https://www.jewishagency.org/166-young-brazilians-and-ukrainians-arrive-in-israel/

Israel is happy for this war, they want more Jews in order to steal more land.

Let me ask you a question now.

Do you support Ukrainian Jews taking others land because evil Russia is around?

But you asked about these guys today, so why are these guys going to Israel? What has caused these guys to go? Why didn't they go 2 weeks ago?
 
But you asked about these guys today, so why are these guys going to Israel? What has caused these guys to go? Why didn't they go 2 weeks ago?

Go ask them, im not a mind reader. Maybe they were waiting for an invitation which has been recieved now.

To claim its the war is causing Palestinians to lose land goes against history and facts. Of course the war means now Jewish Ukranians have sped up their travel and theft plans. You have no idea if they werent planning on leaving beforfe.

Please come back with a sensible argument and stop sounding like an apologist for land theft. I assume you are a Muslim?
 
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