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To all Indian Posters, the question is clear in the subject itself.

Though I am not eligible for voting rights anymore, would you be voting for BJP after seeing their track record in the past few years?

The biggest worry should be the rise of many more ultra national religious nuts like Yogi Adityanath types who can take up important portfolios in the Government and do stupid things which can be detrimental to the democratic structure of India.

Discuss.
 
In my state they never win a seat. My parents will rarely vote DMK , so its like almost indirectly vote to BJP though but through AIADMK, let’s see though.
 
Yes. Call me whatever you want, I am with NaMo. Whether world press acknowledges it or not, most people in my circle (representative across religions and social divides) seem to notice the improved efficiency of the bureaucracy. We still have corruption, caste arithmetic etc. but there are positive developments, both large and small, here and there reaching the common man. People in the west would take this as a given, but it is a step change for India.

More importantly, there is no credible alternative that appeals pan India - Congress leadership is a joke and the party does not seem to have a futuristic message. Most Indians are also tired of the 3rd front experiments which never resulted in anything good other than providing comic relief .... so I guess BJP would be favourites I think
 
LOL no. Anyway it doesn't matter, BJP will continue its glorious tradition of registering zero seats in Tamil Nadu .
 
LOL no. Anyway it doesn't matter, BJP will continue its glorious tradition of registering zero seats in Tamil Nadu .

It only means something if none of the parties which win any seat in TN support BJP in the parliament. Otherwise Tamil vote is indirectly going to the BJP.
 
Most likely. I am really hoping for AAP to expand it's footprint though, once it happens, I am voting AAP.
 
Until another party does some work, or asks votes on their acheivements instead of playing the "Muslims are scared" card all the time, it's always BJP votes.

The real question should be how can people vote for Congress and its failed leader of Rahul who has ZERO achievements in over +15 years politics.
 
Most likely. I am really hoping for AAP to expand it's footprint though, once it happens, I am voting AAP.

Instead of AAP expanding it's footprint, it would be better for the country if AAP like local parties come up in every state, with development its main agenda, and nothing to do with the kejriwal party. It is important that BJP loses Delhi again, otherwise it will be encouraged with communal campaigning. Not that there is no communal problem, and shaheen bagh is a communally polarized area ( I have lived there), but to make it an election issue is dangerous and further polarizes everyone.
 
Even Kejriwal had to sing Hanuman Chalisa to establish himself as a true hindu. For other communities, the pseudo liberals tell them to keep religion at home, but have no problem with a so called secular politician succumbing to hindu majoritarianism.
 
It only means something if none of the parties which win any seat in TN support BJP in the parliament. Otherwise Tamil vote is indirectly going to the BJP.
BJP can win few seats in tamilnadu and kerala if their candidates stops stealing money from their own election funds lol
 
BJP can win few seats in tamilnadu and kerala if their candidates stops stealing money from their own election funds lol

It is possible for BJP to win seats in both tamil nadu and kerala as people here are as dumb as the indians in other states. Just a matter of getting the strategy right. No one thought BJP could win in Bengal, but they won close to 50% seats this year. The Bengal strategy was discussed 5 years ago in a club in delhi ( I was there).
 
Instead of AAP expanding it's footprint, it would be better for the country if AAP like local parties come up in every state, with development its main agenda, and nothing to do with the kejriwal party. It is important that BJP loses Delhi again, otherwise it will be encouraged with communal campaigning. Not that there is no communal problem, and shaheen bagh is a communally polarized area ( I have lived there), but to make it an election issue is dangerous and further polarizes everyone.

Agree 100%.
 
It is possible for BJP to win seats in both tamil nadu and kerala as people here are as dumb as the indians in other states. Just a matter of getting the strategy right. No one thought BJP could win in Bengal, but they won close to 50% seats this year. The Bengal strategy was discussed 5 years ago in a club in delhi ( I was there).
It's possible for bjp to win at least 25% seats in kerala if they can adopt a similar strategy which they follow in goa
 
It dont matter whom people from certain states vote for. Even without votes from those states, NDA crossed 350 seat mark in 2019. In other words, those states are (quite honestly) insignificant as far as national politics is concerned. In other words, whom they vote for will not make an iorta of difference to BJP. In other words, BJP will cakewalk 2024 election with or without votes from certain states.
 
Yes. Call me whatever you want, I am with NaMo. Whether world press acknowledges it or not, most people in my circle (representative across religions and social divides) seem to notice the improved efficiency of the bureaucracy. We still have corruption, caste arithmetic etc. but there are positive developments, both large and small, here and there reaching the common man. People in the west would take this as a given, but it is a step change for India.

More importantly, there is no credible alternative that appeals pan India - Congress leadership is a joke and the party does not seem to have a futuristic message. Most Indians are also tired of the 3rd front experiments which never resulted in anything good other than providing comic relief .... so I guess BJP would be favourites I think

This is precisely what worried me. There is no alternative to BJP outside of Congress. No other party has pan India appeal.

I wish some party like AAP was present all over India to have as a 3rd alternative for BJP and Congress.
 
This forum is never going to be a real gauge of Indian opinion. I remember before BJP finally won power, the majority of Indians on here were saying it would never happen, even when I said there was plenty of informed opinion which said it would.

I will always take the opinions on here with a pinch of salt. The only ones who give a real opinion are the die hard Hindutvas who live abroad like romalli rotti.
 
This forum is never going to be a real gauge of Indian opinion. I remember before BJP finally won power, the majority of Indians on here were saying it would never happen, even when I said there was plenty of informed opinion which said it would.

I will always take the opinions on here with a pinch of salt. The only ones who give a real opinion are the die hard Hindutvas who live abroad like romalli rotti.

Cap with that backhanded compliment :D... I say it like I see it, I don't beat around the bush, am as straight forward as they come, I am not for the faint-hearted... I am against minority appeasement, I believe everyone should be treated on the same wave length, if that makes me a hardcore hindutva in your eyes, well so be it, I guess I am.. BTW the village Pakistani in you does bring out the mullah within you every now and then :angel: ...
 
Will depend

1. How they manage the economy?
2. Whether the opposition can put up a crwdible candidate.
 
Will depend

1. How they manage the economy?
2. Whether the opposition can put up a crwdible candidate.

They don’t have to manage any economy, they will bring a fake Hindu Uniform bill and they will win, they need not share any data they will survive 5 years more.
Not like you are going to vote them out
 
To me, below are the options...

BJP - Communal, divides society on the basis of religion and stirs up sheet every time they are in trouble.

Congress - Corrupt, far left and play caste based politics. They have no credible PM candidate.

3rd Front - Communists, Janata Dal and other Jokers. These guys are not even worth selling Chana on railway platforms. It will be curtains down for India if they ever come to power. Thankfully they have Zero chance.

AAP - They have no presence outside of Delhi. It will take them decades to get to a level before they can challenge BJP countrywide.

India is in deep trouble with options like these. My guess is, people will continue to vote on caste based and religious based lines in 2024 too.
 
To me, below are the options...

BJP - Communal, divides society on the basis of religion and stirs up sheet every time they are in trouble.

Congress - Corrupt, far left and play caste based politics. They have no credible PM candidate.

3rd Front - Communists, Janata Dal and other Jokers. These guys are not even worth selling Chana on railway platforms. It will be curtains down for India if they ever come to power. Thankfully they have Zero chance.

AAP - They have no presence outside of Delhi. It will take them decades to get to a level before they can challenge BJP countrywide.

India is in deep trouble with options like these. My guess is, people will continue to vote on caste based and religious based lines in 2024 too.

Nice joke. Particular when there are anti-CAA protests happening where one community is taking hostage of a nation. Calling BJP "communal", doesn't make the other side "secular". Next, there is no "left" in India. Majority of RW, including Hindus, and even more so Muslims who votes completely on religious lines as a vote block...
 
They don’t have to manage any economy, they will bring a fake Hindu Uniform bill and they will win, they need not share any data they will survive 5 years more.
Not like you are going to vote them out

Then you have no idea.
 
India needed a BJP government in 2014 to jolt itself out of the stupor when one party thought they can do whatever they want and keep harping on secularism.

With BJP, things have taken a turn for the worse.

I feel India has to hit rock bottom before things change for the good.

The middle class people are the MOST SELFISH ones out there.

They will act holier than thou but don't really care for others.

The day they get hit is the day they will realize.

And that day is not too far when these people lose their jobs or face crazy pressures in their job with no way to quit (already hearing murmurs these days).

NRIs...the less said about them, the better.

I love many of my NRI relatives but man...are they deluded.

Bandwagoners.

Trying to act more Indian than Indians. :))

Absolutely cheerleaders.

That's all they are.

It's not a desi trend. Look at Pakistan too. Many of the rational posters are from Pakistan while the crazy deluded ones are the NRIs.

It's a global disease.

Can't help it.
 
Well meaning idiot >>> Evil idiot.

BJP is stupid, evil and crazily effective when it comes to winning elections.

Dangerous combo.
 
I would like to hope by 2024 we will have good progressive options. But knowing Indian society and political brass it's fairly reasonable to say BJP will win 2024 elections as well.
 
How did they win 2019? Coz booming economy or by not releasing data?

Elections took place in april May.

The data for 1st quarter was released during that time and the growth rate was 5.8% .
 
I love many of my NRI relatives but man...are they deluded.

Bandwagoners.

Trying to act more Indian than Indians. :))

Absolutely cheerleaders.



Can't help it.

So NRIs are deluded, bandwagoners, but you are not yet you will vote for little child Rahul Gandhi.... What an Oxymoron, we are living in challenging times, agreed..

IF little kindergarden Gandhi ever becomes PM of India. I can imagine him at the world stage speaking about women empowerment and Cadbury dairy milk..
 
What if someone else is the PM candidate and not Rahul Baba?

I will repeat it again, as I have previously 1000s of times in the past. Should not look at Congress till all the Italian Gandhi's have been dismissed and made sure they have no ties whatsoever with Congress...
 
No way in hell.

They've destructed themselves from the Vajpayee days.
 
6th year running of BJP:-
1) No major corruption/money laundering which was rampant during congress rule.

2) No terrorist attack in any main stream Indian cities which was a regularity back in the days.

3) India's ranking in world bank's "ease of doing business" improved 42 places between 2015-2018. The jump of 30 places in 2017 is highest by any country ever.

4) As of 2014, around 500 million people of India had no access to toilets. In 70 years, congress increased rural sanitation coverage by 0% to 39%. In 6 years, BJP increased it by 79%

5) Giving muslim women right by removing triple talaq.

6) Making state of Ladak an union territory and removal of autonomy of Kashmir (which was kept as temporary by congress for 70 years).

I can go on and on and on.

Ofcourse they need to improve on jobs and economy but the way few people potray BJP that they have made India worse than congress is a hilarious lie.
 
Talking about India's ease of doing business is like gloating about Kohli's 70 ODI average in the last few years.

Meaningless bilateral bullying.

Only good on paper. Reality is different.

lol.
 
Seems like they are losing Delhi again
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Crude oil price during Manmohan Singh

$100 per barrel (peak 140 at times)

Crude oil price during Modi era

$50 per barrel in 2015

:)))

Yet....Modi couldn't do anything even with lottery.

Golmaal hai sab golmaal hai.

It's like Shastri comparing Dhawan's 100s against SL vs KL's 50s against Aus.

Ab ham kare tho kare kya.

Bole tho bole kya.

Wah Modiji Wah.

:D
 
Seems like they are losing Delhi again
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lol yes. But I will wait for the official results.

The way they campaigned for Delhi tells us all about this party.

Despicable.
 
lol yes. But I will wait for the official results.

The way they campaigned for Delhi tells us all about this party.

Despicable.

They never stood a chance, hence the reason for such campaigning, Kejriwal did a good job in some areas and he deserved another term.

This next term is the true litmus test for Kejriwal and AAP, if he can take governance to next level then he will have a chance to become a pan-india party.
 
Seems like they are losing Delhi again
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BJP was never expected to win Delhi. Don't matter Modi will be back as PM after the next election as well, that's all that matters.. Never again I want to see Congress in my lifetime, they have destroyed the country..
 
NEW DELHI — Prime Minister Narendra Modi's unhealthy obsession with the World Bank's Doing Business ranking hijacked India's reform agenda over the course of the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) government's four-year tenure, according to hundreds of pages of meeting minutes, interviews with key players and official correspondence reviewed by HuffPost India.

The documents reveal how the Modi government first sought to lobby the World Bank into changing its methodology to reflect a better rank for India. When that didn't achieve any significant success, the government prioritised minor institutional and procedural tweaks to game the ranking system, rather than embark on a bold agenda of economic reform as promised.

This monomaniacal focus on putting India among the top 50 countries in the ranking, economists said, gave the World Bank disproportionate influence in India's economic reform process. It has also revived a persistent concern that the Modi government preferred to focus its energies on optics instead of actual governance and reform.

This monomaniacal focus on putting India among the top 50 countries in the ranking, economists said, gave the World Bank disproportionate influence in India's economic reform process

"If you keep on finding the easiest things to change, then you are effectively letting the World Bank's ratings decide what kind of changes you want, rather than deciding what is your own sense of priorities," said Laveesh Bhandari, an economist and director of the Indicus Foundation, who had written a column for The Indian Express outlining these concerns.

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Reports published immediately after India's dramatic rise up the rankings— from 142 to 77 over four years— have surmised as much. But this is the first comprehensive account that relies on previously unreported documents—accessed through the Right To Information—to provide a blow-by-blow account of how Finance Minister Arun Jaitley and officials in the Prime Minister's Office adopted the "competitive exam", tuition-centre approach familiar to most Indians eager to improve their rank in a competitive setting.

"You have literally to crack the code," Jaitley said, at a self-congratulatory press conference on 31 October, the day when the latest ranking showed India rising up to the 77th position from 100 last year.

Yet cracking the code, former bureaucrats involved in the process said, wasn't necessarily good for the economy, much like cracking the board exams isn't a good indicator of actual learning.


"If we are improving our position, why are we not getting more investment?" said Arvind Mayaram, who served as Finance Secretary for the first few months of the Modi government's tenure before he was shunted out to the Tourism Ministry.

"I would only say that the proof of pudding is in the eating. If the investment rate was around 38% of the GDP in 2011, obviously ease of doing business must have been much superior then than it is in 2018, when it is around 27%," Mayaram said.

Cracking the code, former bureaucrats involved in the process said, wasn't necessarily good for the economy, much like cracking the board exams isn't a good indicator of actual learning.

Amitabh Kant, a Modi favourite and former secretary of the Department of Industrial Policy and Promotion (DIPP), pushed back at this characterisation of his government's performance.

"A lot of work has happened in the past four years on business reforms and the rankings are a reflection of that," said Kant, now CEO of the NITI Aayog.

Yet much of this work, HuffPost India found, was akin to rearranging the procedural deck chairs on the listing ship of India's faltering economy.

Preparing to crack the code
On 26 December 2017, Jaitley held an important meeting at his ministry's office in North Block with the Modi government's most senior bureaucrats—revenue secretary Hasmukh Adhia, DIPP secretary Ramesh Abhishek, economic affairs secretary and former World Bank Executive Director Subhash Chandra Garg, among others—to address a pressing problem.

The World Bank had moved the "cut-off date" for finalising the Ease of Doing Business Report 2019 by a whole month. As a consequence, "the time available to introduce reforms is shorter by a month", said DIPP secretary Abhishek, according to meeting minutes reviewed by HuffPost India.

Abhishek could not be reached for comments on this story.

The timeline and sequencing of the so-called reforms being discussed in the meeting, the minutes make clear, were not dictated by political considerations, discussions with coalition partners or, heaven forbid, an overarching economic vision or strategy. Rather, the reform process was treated like a World Bank-provided syllabus to be completed on time.

The World Bank would send out its questionnaires to respondents by February 2018, said Abhishek, and "it is therefore important that these reforms are implemented at the earliest". The questionnaires Abhishek referred to are sent to select businessmen, analysts and other private parties to corroborate claims of reforms made by governments.

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There are 10 quantitative indicators which the bank considers, including the ease of starting a business, getting construction permits and trading across borders, among others, for a mid-size firm, and each indicator is scored and ranked separately. These scores are then aggregated into an overall score for each country. Across the world, the Bank measures performance on the 10 indicators in two cities in the case of all large economies—in India, these cities are Mumbai and Delhi.

The agenda of Jaitley's meeting was to ram through as many quick changes as possible.

To be sure, many of the changes sought in the meeting could have real benefits for a few. But while the government's attempts to reduce red tape were laudable, analysts said, they were not a substitute for macro-economic reform.

At Jaitley's meeting, for instance, proposed "reforms" included eliminating the need for a company seal or rubber stamp to open a bank account, and eliminating the need to submit a cancelled cheque as part of the employee provident fund application process.

His bureaucrats quickly identified streamlining cross-border trading as an easy way to improve rankings. Thus the department of revenue eliminated the need for traders to submit hard documents, and tried to improve the capacity of the online customs payment gateway.

According to the minutes, Gopal Krishna, Secretary of the Shipping Ministry, said the Jawaharlal Nehru Port Trust, which handles about 40% of India's oceanic trade, would digitise import and export related documentation. Interestingly, the port had made the same claim in 2015 for exactly the same reason .

The focus on cross-border trade would pay off handsomely for the government, as India's rankings in this specific indicator jumped to 80 in the Doing Business Report 2019 that was released on 31 October. A similar improvement of construction permit procedures saw India's ranking jump from 181 to 52.

Another area of focus was the time and paperwork needed to start a new business.

At the meeting, Abhishek said India needed to reduce the number of official procedures to start a business to six, and the number of days to complete these procedures down to five, to rank amongst the top 50 economies.

At the time, it took 30 days to start a new business, and required 11 procedures in Mumbai and 12 in Delhi.

The latest report shows the government managed to eliminate one step by reducing procedures to 10, and also seemingly reduced the time required to 16 days for Delhi and 17 days for Mumbai. The rank for this indicator also jumped up by 21 ranks to 137 in the latest report for the preparation of which this was a key meeting of top officials.

On that afternoon, the meeting concluded with Jaitley telling the senior officials to submit an action-taken report on the points discussed by 31 January 2018.

Bhandari, the economist, said that allowing minor procedural changes to disproportionately influence the rankings in a significant way was not the government's fault, but a flaw in the way the rankings were designed.

This flaw, Bhandari said, could skew reform priorities away from comprehensive measures that could help the economy as a whole—like improving contract enforcement, skilling and employability or internal trade—towards quick fixes that result in an inordinate rise in the rankings but narrowly affect particular sectors like construction, for instance. Thus he cautioned against resorting to this approach repeatedly.

World Bank President Jim Yong Kim, left, with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi in New Delhi in July
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World Bank President Jim Yong Kim, left, with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi in New Delhi in July 2014.
How the efforts began
Jaitley's 26 December 2017 meeting was one of the most recent instances of an approach adopted immediately in the aftermath of the 2014 general elections which installed a new bunch of decision makers on the Raisina Hill.

On 16 July 2014, two months after Modi swept to power on the promise of bringing jobs, investment and prosperity, his Principal Secretary Nripendra Misra held a meeting in the PMO to discuss a "concrete strategy for moving up India's rank" on the EODB index with the secretaries of the corporate affairs ministry, department of economic affairs, DIPP and the ministry of commerce, according to meeting minutes reviewed by HuffPost India.

"The meeting focused on the more immediate and quickly doable process improvements." Dr KP Krishnan, an official representing the department of economic affairs in the PMO meeting, subsequently summed up in an internal noting.

Interestingly, one of the tasks discussed at this meeting involved the streamlining and digitisation of customs documents within one month, a "reform" measure that was also discussed in the December 2017 meeting with Jaitley.

In what would become a familiar pattern for the Modi government, the Information and Broadcasting Ministry was tasked with "Preparation of literature and preparatory activities for global campaign to be taken up on to priority".

Crucially, all attendees were told to keep the World Bank abreast of all the good work they were doing.

"It was emphasized that all these measures should be brought to the notice of the World Bank. All concerned should engage with the World Bank in this regard," the minutes read.

Two weeks later, on 29 July 2014, though they were not discussed in the meeting, the government announced changes to three central labour laws. The Indian press immediately hailed the changes as transformative; yet the government was sorely disappointed to learn that the World Bank was only planning to consider reforms made before 1 June 2014.

Mayaram, the then Finance Secretary and Kant, the then DIPP secretary, were tasked with writing to the World Bank to plead for the deadline to be extended, and the new reforms to be taken into account, so the government could show an immediate improvement in India's business environment in the Doing Business Report 2015, which was scheduled to be released a few months later. The PMO kept a close track of this.

"It is learnt that the DBR, 2015 is at the stage of drafting and consolidation," Mayaram, the then Finance secretary wrote to to MN Prasad, Executive Director of the World Bank for Bangladesh, Bhutan, India and Sri Lanka, on 21 August 2014. "In this regard, it is important that the reference period for documenting reforms in the report is extended to the middle of August, 2014 (instead of 1st June, 2014) to cover the recent reform measures also."

Kant, for his part, lobbied Kaushik Basu, then senior vice president and Chief Economist at the World Bank.

"The new Indian government is deeply concerned about India's low ranking on the ease of doing business as reflected in the "Doing Business 2014" report published by the World Bank Group," Kant wrote in a letter dated September 10, 2014 and reviewed by HuffPost India. "I would like to emphasise that the methodology adopted to arrive at the rankings needs to be further refined so as to paint the correct picture. Drawing conclusions based on the studies conducted in only two cities, namely, Mumbai and Delhi, overdependence on the regulations in place for small and medium enterprises and responses received from a narrow set of services users such as lawyers, accountants and brokers, inadequate appreciation of factors impinging on general business climate such as conservation of environment & ecology may lead to skewed conclusions, especially for a country like India with a huge geographical canvas dotted by varying shades of regulatory mechanisms."

Incidentally, this is one of the most persistent critiques made by independent experts about the ranking to this day.

Despite these letters, the World Bank refused to extend the deadline or change its methodology as per India's demands and in October 2014, when the Doing Business Report 2015 came out, India's EODB ranking actually fell from 134 to 142.

Methodology issues
The Modi government, in its initial years, also sought to lobby the Bank into changing its methodology while seeking to rise up the ranking at the same time. In its official communications, it also compared the World Bank methodology with the World Economic Forum's Global Competitive Index and was favourably inclined towards the latter as it showed a better rank for India.

In his 21 August 2014 letter to the Bank's Executive Director, Mayaram requested for a meeting with the "senior management" of the Bank with a delegation of Indian bureaucrats led by Kant to impress upon them India's urgent concerns.

"We must effectively engage with the World Bank to convince them about the need to change the methodology so that the DBR reflects India's position more correctly," Mayaram wrote, referring to the Doing Business Report by its initials. Official correspondence, released under the RTI, shows while Kant did not go for a meeting with the Bank's Chief Economist Basu, he wrote the above quoted letter lobbying for a change in the methodology.

When India's rank improved marginally from 142 to 131 in October 2015 but still remained far from the ambitious target of top 50 countries set by Modi, senior government officials took to writing petulant letters to World Bank officials and to each other, questioning the basis of the rankings.

On 1 April 2016, for instance, Revenue Secretary Adhia wrote to the then World Bank Executive Director for India and other South Asian countries, Subhash Chandra Garg, saying, "Whether we look at the Doing Business Report in relative terms or absolute terms, the findings seem seriously skewed."

(In July 2017, Garg would be repatriated from the Bank to the Indian government, where he was appointed as economic affairs secretary in the Finance Ministry.)

In September 2016, anticipating a lacklustre ranking for India on the index, DIPP Secretary Abhishek wrote to then economic affairs secretary Shaktikanta Das, expressing his disappointment with the World Bank team for relying on the opinions of chosen respondents on the reforms process, rather than on government data.

"It was evident from the discussion that the Doing Business team is giving more credence to unsubstantiated averments of a few dozen respondents over the actual system log and individual case-wise database running in thousands of sheets" Abhishek wrote to Das following a video conference with the World Bank team to discuss the points of contention about reform claims made by the government for the then upcoming 2017 report, according to his letter dated 26 September 2016, reviewed by HuffPost India.

So, on 25 October 2016, when much to the government's embarrassment, India's rank improved by one spot from 131 to 130 despite hectic lobbying, Modi went on the warpath.

An official statement released by the PMO on 26 October 2016 about Modi's sixteenth interaction through PRAGATI, a platform for the PM's direct review meetings with officials, said, "Mentioning the World Bank's latest Report on Ease of Doing Business, the Prime Minister asked all Chief Secretaries and all Secretaries of the Government of India to study the report, and analyze the potential areas where there is scope for improvement in their respective departments and states. He asked for a report from all concerned in this regard, within a month, and asked the Cabinet Secretary to review the same thereafter."

In November 2016, Modi would announce demonetisation—now almost universally acknowledged as a terrible idea. Meanwhile, the government lobbied relentlessly with the Bank, according to a senior government official with knowledge of the matter.

"Fact is, this government pleaded with the World Bank quite vehemently and initially, Amitabh Kant was at the vanguard of it. Indian government's persuasion has worked," this official said. He explained why he felt that Indian government's "persuasion" (he chuckled at the word "lobbying" while saying this) worked with the Bank, "We are one of the largest borrowers which means that the interest we pay to the bank greases its salaries. So obviously there is a lot of clout that India also has over the bank."

"If the Prime Minister also tells the President that look, this is not right, India should be better than what you are showing," the official continued. "They also oblige."

Whether we look at the Doing Business Report in relative terms or absolute terms, the findings seem seriously skewed: Revenue Secretary Hasmukh Adhia

Over the next two years, the government's efforts bore fruit. From 2014 to the most recent report that came out early this month, as India's rank jumped from 142 to 77, the government changed its views on the Bank's methodology.

In late 2014, Jaitley told Parliament in a written reply to a question from a parliamentarian that the "government has indicated its concerns about the indicators used, methodology, sample size, use of ranking, neglect of qualitative and country specific business environment, etc. to the World Bank."

This November, as the government's five-year effort at lobbying the bank paid off, Jaitley hailed the ranking as the product of "independent research" based on "objective criteria".

"Only a focussed and a purpose oriented Government could have achieved this," Jaitley concluded.

Small and medium sized businesses feel demonetisation and GST have adversely affected their
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Small and medium sized businesses feel demonetisation and GST have adversely affected their prospects.
An undesirable dream?
As the Modi government continues to invest efforts into improving India's Doing Business rankings keeping in mind the target of joining the top 50, some question if the government should really care so much about what is ultimately an arbitrary index produced by a multilateral lending agency.

"They should be able to tell the investors which is a good country to invest in, right?" the former finance secretary Mayaram said about the ranking. "But if your methodology is flawed then it has no value. That's what I said then and I still hold it today that there is not much value because the methodology is flawed."

The 2019 ranking for instance, put China—arguably the one place where the world has done the most business in the past decade—at 46, while Rwanda is ranked 29th.

"If you consider yourself as the six largest economy or, by PPP, third largest economy in the world, then for you to get very upset or excited about what ranking the World Bank or World Economic Forum, or anyone else does, it only shows a little lack of confidence," Mayaram concluded.

Mumbai-based independent analyst Hemindra Hazari said he was struck by India's improved rankings in context of a difficult time for small and medium size Indian companies.

"If it is in terms of the large corporates, then it is perhaps possible that they have seen an improvement in the business," Hazari said. "But when you talk about MSMEs, in the last two years, our dear government has given two mortal wounds in the form of demonetization and implementation of the GST."

The elaborate filing requirements of the Goods and Services Tax had hurt medium and small enterprises while demonetisation had hamstrung their cash flows, Hazari said and added, "I would think it is surprising if the MSMEs have said that their ease of doing business has improved."

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Yet, Modi and his government have been quick to market this improvement in India's rank on an index prepared for mid-size firms operating in two of the most prosperous cities of India as evidence of an actual improvement of economic conditions across the country.

On 3 November, for instance, Modi said, the rankings are an "indicator of India's strengthening economy and quick progress". He said this while answering a question posed by a BJP volunteer from Korba, Chattisgarh, who wanted to know the relevance of the rankings in the life of the 'common man'. Modi further said that the improvement in rankings over four years by almost half —going from 142 in 2014 to 77 in 2018—shows the Indian economy had improved twice over ever since his government was sworn in, and this marked a definitive change from the previous government. He also told party volunteers from election-bound Chattisgarh, Madhya Pradesh and Rajasthan during the online interaction that he wants the BJP volunteers to keep track of good news about the country and ensure that they repeatedly speak about it among people, presumably voters.

https://www.huffingtonpost.in/entry...business-rankings_in_5c0feb75e4b051c73eac3e67

Every single thing by this govt has some golmaal attached to it somewhere or the other. :))

It's just too time consuming to dig into every little stuff and debate about it.
 
They never stood a chance, hence the reason for such campaigning, Kejriwal did a good job in some areas and he deserved another term.

This next term is the true litmus test for Kejriwal and AAP, if he can take governance to next level then he will have a chance to become a pan-india party.

Yes that's true but a part of me was afraid their tactics would work.

Like 5%.

It's one thing to win on development talks and another thing to win this way.

Thankfully it won't happen. Still will wait for results.
 
Seems like they are losing Delhi again
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They are going to get smashed. Serves them right, one of the most toxic election campaigns by the saffron camp. The communalism and hatred spread by BJP politicians has to be punished, karma.
 
It appears to me that people of Delhi voting seperately in general vs state elections. All 7 seats in Delhi went for BJP in 2019 general elections bcoz people supported and wanted Modi as PM in centre. But in state elections, they are preferring AAP since BJP does not have any strong CM candidate in Delhi. Lets be honest, no one will vote for a Bhojpuri singer even though they like BJP/Modi.

Though I wanted BJP to win but its not to be. It looks like it will take few more years before secular hindus finally awake from their sleep. Good thing though..all exit polls unanimously showing Congress will get 0 seats :)))
 
They are going to get smashed. Serves them right, one of the most toxic election campaigns by the saffron camp. The communalism and hatred spread by BJP politicians has to be punished, karma.

Don't be mistaken. Even if BJP wins 0 seats,Delhi is polarized, and this polarization will reveal itself in other forms. Just that Delhiites are wise enough to vote for local issues (tamilians need an AAP like party too and learn from delhi).
 
Most likely. I am really hoping for AAP to expand it's footprint though, once it happens, I am voting AAP.

That would be very good. Or if Congress find a better leader, but that's far from happening.

My worry is that Gandhi remain, and that effectively means that people will end up voting for NaMo.
 
BJP in Delhi is one of the worst , corrupt , incapable unorganized, even if they bring leaders from outside it wouldn’t work.

AAP needs a state where they have Police under their control as well, punjab would had been ideal but nevertheless.

Feels like AAP can only come to states where Congress is in power..
 
Yes I will vote for BJP in lok sabha elections.

The reasons I do like to vote for them are construction of ram mandir, article 370 removal, CAA (not NRC) etc,.

I voted for BJP in 2019 and I will vote for them in 2024 as well
 
Going by the comments, it looks like Indians are begging for an alternative but they can't find one. About time Congress dumps Gandhis and gives itself a chance, but we all know that's not happening.
 
Going by the comments, it looks like Indians are begging for an alternative but they can't find one. About time Congress dumps Gandhis and gives itself a chance, but we all know that's not happening.

I wouldn't mind Rahul Gandhi at this point tbh.

At least when he speaks he sounds like a regular human being. On the other hand, Modi and Amit Shah sound like they're going to kill somebody.
 
I heard BJP put their female agents in burqas in a Muslim
Women gathering to raise anti hindu or anti India slogans hoping to incite a riot..

If true it’s pretty evil!
 
lol yes. But I will wait for the official results.

The way they campaigned for Delhi tells us all about this party.

Despicable.
True, SIF.

These sanghis have to be most poisonous minds ever...They crossed all limits during campaigning in Delhi assembly elections...

Bunch of bigots and even bigger bigots are their blind followers...
 
I wouldn't mind Rahul Gandhi at this point tbh.

At least when he speaks he sounds like a regular human being. On the other hand, Modi and Amit Shah sound like they're going to kill somebody.
This is true, Varun.

IIRC, you used to be a bit of fan of sanghis some years back.. Not any longer I guess...
 
I heard BJP put their female agents in burqas in a Muslim
Women gathering to raise anti hindu or anti India slogans hoping to incite a riot..

If true it’s pretty evil!
These bigots can stoop to any low, this is still nothing....
 
Can't believe what I read, wow. This must be shared widely, [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION], [MENTION=147527]MP2011[/MENTION] were you guys aware of this?
lol at desperation of serial liars...Didn't specifically know about this lie from 56" but knowing his propensity to lie about anything and everything, I knew nothing that comes out of his gutter mouth is authentic...

Some bh@kts were clinging onto false hopes of this false measure of a country's development....But now....hindu rashtra next?
 
lol at desperation of serial liars...Didn't specifically know about this lie from 56" but knowing his propensity to lie about anything and everything, I knew nothing that comes out of his gutter mouth is authentic...

Some bh@kts were clinging onto false hopes of this false measure of a country's development....But now....hindu rashtra next?

Bh@kts also say our concern must be with national security not economy, unemployment.
 
True, SIF.

These sanghis have to be most poisonous minds ever...They crossed all limits during campaigning in Delhi assembly elections...

Bunch of bigots and even bigger bigots are their blind followers...

This was a trailer. Watch for the upcoming bengal elections.
 
This is true, Varun.

IIRC, you used to be a bit of fan of sanghis some years back.. Not any longer I guess...

I would have voted for them in 2014 but not in 2019.

Were you voting for the Congress in 2014 as well?
 
I don't understand the frustrations and aprehension from AAP. Normally, the opposition only brings up the EVM drama when they know they will be losing. I mean we all know evm's were hacked in UP, Karnataka and general election but they worked perfectly in Rajasthan, Jharkhand and Chhattisgarh. Even in general election, EVMs were hacked only in states where BJP won but were full proof in Kerala, Punjab & Tamil Nadu. So we are all used to this saga.

But going by exit polls and public survey, Kejriwal is winning the election in a landslide margin. Not sure why his party is looking so jittery and urging EC to declare the voter percentage asap, casting doubts on evm etc. Do they know something that we dont? There are some murmurs about upswing of BJP votes in the late hours of the day (well after exit polls were taken). Is that making Kejriwal paranoid?

Nah dont think so. There is no way AAP is losing Delhi. I mean Dilli ki janata loves free bread crumbs thrown at them. Come general election, they will again become sensible and will vote for BJP. In general election 2019, all 7 Delhi seats were won by BJP. But Kejriwal is safe as far as state election is concerned. He just needs to calm down a bit...this paranoa among them is making me laugh :))
 
Son Locks Up Father At Home To Prevent Him From Voting For BJP During Delhi Elections

In Delhi’s Munirka area, a man locked up his father in the house to prevent him from going to the polling booth and voting for BJP.

The man in his 20s, locked up his father in a room while the polling was on on February 8, to prevent him from casting his vote. He was certain that his father would vote for BJP.

He said he was inspired from his friend who lives in Delhi’s Palam area, who pulled off the same stunt with his parents.

Delhi recorded a voter turnout of over 61 per cent in the hard-fought Assembly election with the polling having picked up pace in the evening.

https://www-indiatimes-com.cdn.ampp...voting-for-bjp-in-delhi-elections-506002.html

Lol....liberals are losing it big time now. All falling apart unfortunately :))
 
I would have voted for them in 2014 but not in 2019.

Were you voting for the Congress in 2014 as well?
Not Congress, for obvious reasons. I'm a Delhite so you get the gist.
 
https://www.huffingtonpost.in/entry...business-rankings_in_5c0feb75e4b051c73eac3e67

Every single thing by this govt has some golmaal attached to it somewhere or the other. :))

It's just too time consuming to dig into every little stuff and debate about it.
The rankings improvement was hogwash from day 1. I believe there was another article in which Jaitley was crediting AAP for electricity reforms and improvements in Delhi which helped improve the business rankings. IIRC Delhi was ranked ahead of Mumbai when the updated rankings came out
 
I don’t blame Indians who vote for Modi. When you have people like Rahul Gandhi in the opposition, people will vote for maniacs like Modi.
 
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