Would you vote for BJP in 2024?

[jagatk]

I live in Bengal. And i know whats happening.

Hindus cannot do visarjan during Muharram.

Muslims stopping saraswati puja.

Trains being burnt.

Police stopping distribution of hindu religious books at a book fair, while Koran was allowed to be distributed.

Law and Order is a mess.

God, how miss Jyoti Basu.

Now imagine the same exact things with murder added in for muslims and a law and order mess of a lot higher proportion.

 

[pillionrider]

Modi is PM of India for 4.5 years. Kejriwal cm of a partial state.

Poor you. You have lost it since Bjp gave the Gowdas as beating.

Partial state )

You and your romali friend are having a nightmare day

 

[Rajdeep]

Arvind Kejriwal himself supported removal of Article 370. Just saying

I think my fellow liberal posters are extremely misinformed here.

Polarization has always played a key part in Indian elections and this is not something BJP has invented. The concept of block voting is there since partition where muslims vote as a block, yadavs vote as a block and so does Christians, SC/STs etc. Congress was master of doing vote bank politics and minority appeasement and hence they ruled for so long.

BJP since in power trying to break this caste barrier among hindus and want them to vote as a block too. Hence they are advocating removal of reservations, implementation of CAA, NRC etc. Oppositions very well aware that if hindus start voting in a block without caste barrier, the party whom they vote for will win easily considering the sheer number. They are also aware that if hindus start voting in a block, there is a high chance they will vote for BJP. All these talk about polarisation, hate politics etc. are nothing but a diversion tactics from main issue i.e not allow hindus to vote as a block and keep them tangled under caste system. The day this caste system is broken, there will be no way out for opposition.

I was literally ROFL when few posters were saying that Delhi people have voted for education, good governance etc. LMAO...no they didnt

 

[cricketjoshila]

Now imagine the same exact things with murder added in for muslims and a law and order mess of a lot higher proportion.

Should i post how many hindus have been murdered here?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Partial state )

You and your romali friend are having a nightmare day

Yes partial state.

Central controls many aspects of Delhi, like law and order.

Btw how is in Yeddy ruled Karnataka?

 

[pillionrider]

Yes partial state.

Central controls many aspects of Delhi, like law and order.

Btw how is in Yeddy ruled Karnataka?

Yeddy saar is increasingly getting frustrated with Modi. Even insulted him (by BJP/Modi standards) to his face at a public meeting. The BJP can't even get rid of this morally and financially corrupt man as he will take the Lingayat vote with him.

How's life in Bengal. Hope you're chanting Jai Shri Ram with josh on the streets of Didi's Bengal.

Chi Chi Chi

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Arvind Kejriwal himself supported removal of Article 370. Just saying

I think my fellow liberal posters are extremely misinformed here.

Polarization has always played a key part in Indian elections and this is not something BJP has invented. The concept of block voting is there since partition where muslims vote as a block, yadavs vote as a block and so does Christians, SC/STs etc. Congress was master of doing vote bank politics and minority appeasement and hence they ruled for so long.

BJP since in power trying to break this caste barrier among hindus and want them to vote as a block too. Hence they are advocating removal of reservations, implementation of CAA, NRC etc. Oppositions very well aware that if hindus start voting in a block without caste barrier, the party whom they vote for will win easily considering the sheer number. They are also aware that if hindus start voting in a block, there is a high chance they will vote for BJP. All these talk about polarisation, hate politics etc. are nothing but a diversion tactics from main issue i.e not allow hindus to vote as a block and keep them tangled under caste system. The day this caste system is broken, there will be no way out for opposition.

I was literally ROFL when few posters were saying that Delhi people have voted for education, good governance etc. LMAO...no they didnt

That's your interpretation?

This right here is the problem with faulty interpretations.

No one said BJP shouldn't seek Hindu votes.

It's the WAY it's done...that's despicable.

The day when mainstream political parties go ALL out against Hindus day in and day out with many leaders making such statements...that's the day when you can make a direct comparison.

To be fair, I see BJP supporters making the SAME mistakes that liberals made in the 2014 period.

Liberals thought of the other side as a bunch of complete idiots without even trying to understand what they are seeking and now I see BJP supporters doing the same.

BJP may or may not pay the price for it in 2024 (as of now...they won't)....but the arrogance will lead to downfall down the line.

 

[pillionrider]

I was literally ROFL when few posters were saying that Delhi people have voted for education, good governance etc. LMAO...no they didnt

You're right. They voted against the BJP

 

[kaayal]

Arvind Kejriwal himself supported removal of Article 370. Just saying

I think my fellow liberal posters are extremely misinformed here.

Polarization has always played a key part in Indian elections and this is not something BJP has invented. The concept of block voting is there since partition where muslims vote as a block, yadavs vote as a block and so does Christians, SC/STs etc. Congress was master of doing vote bank politics and minority appeasement and hence they ruled for so long.

BJP since in power trying to break this caste barrier among hindus and want them to vote as a block too. Hence they are advocating removal of reservations, implementation of CAA, NRC etc. Oppositions very well aware that if hindus start voting in a block without caste barrier, the party whom they vote for will win easily considering the sheer number. They are also aware that if hindus start voting in a block, there is a high chance they will vote for BJP. All these talk about polarisation, hate politics etc. are nothing but a diversion tactics from main issue i.e not allow hindus to vote as a block and keep them tangled under caste system. The day this caste system is broken, there will be no way out for opposition.

I was literally ROFL when few posters were saying that Delhi people have voted for education, good governance etc. LMAO...no they didnt

Lol the irony..

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Yes partial state.

Central controls many aspects of Delhi, like law and order.

Btw how is in Yeddy ruled Karnataka?

Delhi may be a partial state but it's one that HOLDS a lot of sway branding wise.

Why do you think Congress didn't even try in this election?

Cos they knew if they mess up, they will split the ones and allow BJP to use the Delhi elections to paint a narrative about CAA-NRC.

Delhi is DA BOMB when it comes to branding and image.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Lol the irony..

It's Democrats in 2016....Seculars in 2014 ALL over again.

When you keep insulting a group without trying to understand what they want (like Conservatives were insulted for supporting Trump)....the end result can be pretty shocking.

History teaches us a LOT of lessons.

 

[jagatk]

Should i post how many hindus have been murdered here?

You do understand we are comparing devil and the deep sea here. Both are bad, only 1 happens to control the biggest most populous state and has no fear of the central govt interfering if he goes overboard with anything.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Lol the irony..

Damn I missed that irony. )

 

[jagatk]

It's Democrats in 2016....Seculars in 2014 ALL over again.

When you keep insulting a group without trying to understand what they want (like Conservatives were insulted for supporting Trump)....the end result can be pretty shocking.

History teaches us a LOT of lessons.

You are extrapolating something that isn't there, Hillary lost because she was a bad candidate and insulted many voters. Modi's win is only down to the bad candidate in front of him, indian opposition haven't criticized anyone for voting modi. 2014 modi had most moderate supportive him alongside his hardcore base, in 2019 pulwama helped shore up any attrition in his both bases.

2024 will be different as I don't think people outside the hindi heartlands will be as enamored with the recent stuff, but sadly I don't see a pan India PM face as most sure as hell are not voting for the gandhi pappu. Only good will be modi will have to depend on allies who can temper this nonsense to lot of extent and then lack of results will do to modi what they do to all folk who think themselves untouchable.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

You are extrapolating something that isn't there, Hillary lost because she was a bad candidate and insulted many voters. Modi's win is only down to the bad candidate in front of him, indian opposition haven't criticized anyone for voting modi. 2014 modi had most moderate supportive him alongside his hardcore base, in 2019 pulwama helped shore up any attrition in his both bases.

2024 will be different as I don't think people outside the hindi heartlands will be as enamored with the recent stuff, but sadly I don't see a pan India PM face as most sure as hell are not voting for the gandhi pappu. Only good will be modi will have to depend on allies who can temper this nonsense to lot of extent and then lack of results will do to modi what they do to all folk who think themselves untouchable.

I am talking about 2014 India and 2016 USA.

2014 India - If you support BJP and Modi, you are a communal, hate filled bigot who is ONLY voting BJP to teach Muslims a lesson. Doesn't matter what other reasons you may have...but this is WHY you are voting.

2016 USA - If you support Conservatives and Trump, you are a racist bigot who hates people of colour, women and immigrants. Only the scummiest of **** would support Trump and there can be NO OTHER reason for you to vote.

Election result: BOOM.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

You are extrapolating something that isn't there, Hillary lost because she was a bad candidate and insulted many voters. Modi's win is only down to the bad candidate in front of him, indian opposition haven't criticized anyone for voting modi. 2014 modi had most moderate supportive him alongside his hardcore base, in 2019 pulwama helped shore up any attrition in his both bases.

2024 will be different as I don't think people outside the hindi heartlands will be as enamored with the recent stuff, but sadly I don't see a pan India PM face as most sure as hell are not voting for the gandhi pappu. Only good will be modi will have to depend on allies who can temper this nonsense to lot of extent and then lack of results will do to modi what they do to all folk who think themselves untouchable.

Agreed Modi's win has got a LOT to do with lack of opposition but he's a smart dude.

He knows how to position himself well.

2014 - Development guy (what did Congress do...nothing...vote for me)

2019 - Nationalist guy (when terrorists attacked Mumbai what did Congress do....I did stuff...vote for me)

2024 - Likely Project Finisher guy (Ram Mandir temple....Article 370.....whatever is about to come...what did Congress do....I did stuff...Vote for me)

Modi has a RIDICULOUS amount of sway in the Hindi hinterland and opposition need a credible leader, positioning, message, in-depth campaign planning to win.

BJP knowing Delhi was a lost cause took the Hindu Vs Muslim positioning and they got like 40% votes.

They are a forbidable opponent. We should NEVER underestimate them. They may not know how to run the country...or be decent humans...but they know how to win elections.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Congress misused secularism SOOO much that being COMMUNAL became a badge of honour.

Same way BJP is misusing the anti-national, urban naxal angle soo much that being called that becomes a badge of honour.

Only thing lacking is a credible alternative to use their mistakes which ain't happening.

 

[kaayal]

Congress misused secularism SOOO much that being COMMUNAL became a badge of honour.

Same way BJP is misusing the anti-national, urban naxal angle soo much that being called that becomes a badge of honour.

Only thing lacking is a credible alternative to use their mistakes which ain't happening.

What do you think minority’s should do in such situations? Whatever we say will be misconstrued by BJP. Only the non BJP Hindu’s and their voices are effective against this divisive politics of BJP.

 

[Swashbuckler]

What a glorious day. Proud of Kejriwal and AAP.

 

[jagatk]

I am talking about 2014 India and 2016 USA.

2014 India - If you support BJP and Modi, you are a communal, hate filled bigot who is ONLY voting BJP to teach Muslims a lesson. Doesn't matter what other reasons you may have...but this is WHY you are voting.

2016 USA - If you support Conservatives and Trump, you are a racist bigot who hates people of colour, women and immigrants. Only the scummiest of **** would support Trump and there can be NO OTHER reason for you to vote.

Election result: BOOM.

That isn't true at all, I don't remember congress or any other opposition party trying to do that, though tbf only media speech thing i remember from congress in 2014 is the glorious self destruction of pappu.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Arvind Kejriwal himself supported removal of Article 370. Just saying

I think my fellow liberal posters are extremely misinformed here.

Polarization has always played a key part in Indian elections and this is not something BJP has invented. The concept of block voting is there since partition where muslims vote as a block, yadavs vote as a block and so does Christians, SC/STs etc. Congress was master of doing vote bank politics and minority appeasement and hence they ruled for so long.

BJP since in power trying to break this caste barrier among hindus and want them to vote as a block too. Hence they are advocating removal of reservations, implementation of CAA, NRC etc. Oppositions very well aware that if hindus start voting in a block without caste barrier, the party whom they vote for will win easily considering the sheer number. They are also aware that if hindus start voting in a block, there is a high chance they will vote for BJP. All these talk about polarisation, hate politics etc. are nothing but a diversion tactics from main issue i.e not allow hindus to vote as a block and keep them tangled under caste system. The day this caste system is broken, there will be no way out for opposition.

I was literally ROFL when few posters were saying that Delhi people have voted for education, good governance etc. LMAO...no they didnt

Yes we did. Are you even from Delhi? I think you are from one of those states where people are happy to see a bhaand like Manoj Tiwari as their CM but not an educated man like Kejriwal.

If you need some burnol, please come to Delhi and visit one of our govt hospitals.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

What a glorious day. Proud of Kejriwal and AAP.

You should also be proud of those people(including me) who voted for them.

 

[pillionrider]

If you need some burnol, please come to Delhi and visit one of our govt hospitals.

They already are. Aren't the highest number of outstation patients from UP or something.

 

[jagatk]

Agreed Modi's win has got a LOT to do with lack of opposition but he's a smart dude.

He knows how to position himself well.

2014 - Development guy (what did Congress do...nothing...vote for me)

2019 - Nationalist guy (when terrorists attacked Mumbai what did Congress do....I did stuff...vote for me)

2024 - Likely Project Finisher guy (Ram Mandir temple....Article 370.....whatever is about to come...what did Congress do....I did stuff...Vote for me)

Modi has a RIDICULOUS amount of sway in the Hindi hinterland and opposition need a credible leader, positioning, message, in-depth campaign planning to win.

BJP knowing Delhi was a lost cause took the Hindu Vs Muslim positioning and they got like 40% votes.

They are a forbidable opponent. We should NEVER underestimate them. They may not know how to run the country...or be decent humans...but they know how to win elections.

I am not underestimating what modi can do, but as i said, the CAA, NRC stuff will really hurt him outside of hindi heartlands, already all the work the rss did in assam to prop up bjp has been destroyed. Outside of a small hardcore votebase no one cares about ram mandir outside of North india, Article 370 is a double edged sword, you can claim its credit but at the same time bjp is basically running a curfew state, that is not a situation you can advertise much about.

They will win in 2024 unless congis decide to end the maa-beta rulership, but their nos will be around what most coalition govts have had, not the ones bjp logged in last 2 elections. And modi aura is already fading in states, in 2014 he genuinely had the power to get bjp elected just on his name, now that gone. If the local units aren't upto the task they are getting smacked about, can't coast on modi's name anymore.

The biggest problem of the modi style of leadership as can be seen from what fadnavis is facing in maharashtra, if you don't get the results there a lot of unhappy folk within and without your organisation who are just waiting for a chance to get at you.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Delhi may be a partial state but it's one that HOLDS a lot of sway branding wise.

Why do you think Congress didn't even try in this election?

Cos they knew if they mess up, they will split the ones and allow BJP to use the Delhi elections to paint a narrative about CAA-NRC.

Delhi is DA BOMB when it comes to branding and image.

Branding?

Aap won Delhi in 2015 with a bigger margin, still lost the 7 LS seats.

There is no Branding here.VS wise delhi holds little significance. But parties fight to keep delhi for the 7 LS seats it has. Thats significant.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

They already are. Aren't the highest number of outstation patients from UP or something.

And that is why they brought Manoj Tiwari.

 

[andy0204]

And that is why they brought Manoj Tiwari.

For singing Rinkiya ke papa

 

[bala977]

For PP-ers on this forum who think all hindus are religious bigots who blindly follow BJP - Delhi is c.82% Hindu ... yes, 82% Hindu. Just saying ....

 

[JaDed]

For PP-ers on this forum who think all hindus are religious bigots who blindly follow BJP - Delhi is c.82% Hindu ... yes, 82% Hindu. Just saying ....

The issue is the same population in national elections vote for BJP.. it could be coz Rahul Gandhi or third front fears but just saying..

BJP is hardly a force anymore in state elections..

 

[pillionrider]

For PP-ers on this forum who think all hindus are religious bigots who blindly follow BJP - Delhi is c.82% Hindu ... yes, 82% Hindu. Just saying ....

Doesn't matter. Haters gonna hate

 

[Redchilly007]

AAP was expected to win Delhi as the freebies offered were really tough to refuse. BJP was expected to lose as they categorically stated that they will stop free water, electricity and bus rides. They also lacked any solid local leader. Congress's surrender also helped AAP in a big way.

What might be the silver lining for BJP is the fact that they still managed nearly 40% vote share! They still have a unshakable large voter base which will vote for them regardless of circumstances. Perhaps they should initiate some more steps now to bring out agressive retaliation to polarize things in their favor completely.

 

[JaDed]

AAP was expected to win Delhi as the freebies offered were really tough to refuse. BJP was expected to lose as they categorically stated that they will stop free water, electricity and bus rides. They also lacked any solid local leader. Congress's surrender also helped AAP in a big way.

What might be the silver lining for BJP is the fact that they still managed nearly 40% vote share! They still have a unshakable large voter base which will vote for them regardless of circumstances. Perhaps they should initiate some more steps now to bring out agressive retaliation to polarize things in their favor completely.

BJP managed that not coz of their candidates but coz of Center..

BJP in Delhi is a sorry state, everyone knows how useless and corrupt they are in Delhi , they might again win National but state elections in Delhi they won’t crack coz BJP state for Delhi has some of the worst leaders ever.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

What do you think minority’s should do in such situations? Whatever we say will be misconstrued by BJP. Only the non BJP Hindu’s and their voices are effective against this divisive politics of BJP.

What do you think minority’s should do in such situations? Whatever we say will be misconstrued by BJP. Only the non BJP Hindu’s and their voices are effective against this divisive politics of BJP.

Ok here it goes:

1. A Muslim's view will not be taken seriously as compared to a fellow Hindu saying it.

Why so?

2 reasons.

Reason 1 - Humans by nature create segregations and define outsiders in EVERY single environment. Among Indians, Hindus will consider Muslims as outsiders.... among Hindus, Brahmins will consider non Brahmins as outsiders....among Brahmins, one sub-cate will consider other as outsider...then there are sub-sub caste divisions too. This is a natural division. Since BJP has created a Hindu vs Muslim situation, that itself reduces the validity of a Muslim's view in the eyes of an average Hindu who make up 80% of the population.

Reason 2 - Validate what they see and feel. An average Muslim is more religious than an average Hindus...plus an average Muslim doesn't speak out against his religion as often as an average Hindu. This again is intelligently used by BJP to project that Muslims are united...Hindus aren't...and they bring in an EVEN more powerful weapon...our TRUE enemies are not just Muslims who are united but also the so called "secular" Hindus who support these Muslims for everything.

So in this way, not only are Muslims' views automatically deemed biased....but it also weakens the case of those Hindus speaking out.

So with one arrow, they kill 2 birds.

Here’s the way out imho:

2. Simply do not fall trap into being the characters that they present you as.

A quick backstory first:

A couple of days back, one of my friends (USA Tam Brahm - non religious dude) posted on his FB wall lambasting Rajnikanth for his comments on CAA-NRC. Another guy (Tam Brahm) started posting in support of it and soon a comment war ensued. This other guy (instead of debating the points) quickly started openly abusing Muslims in a weird long rant. My friend deleted his hate posts and moved on.

Later that day, me and my friend had a chat and I asked him why he used words like “fascist” “bigot” so much in his replies (which were otherwise pretty logical).

My friend what’s the big deal...even New York times described it that way. I asked him “isn’t that why guys like Trump get elected” and he saw the point.

There are 2 lessons here for all of us (Hindus and Muslims) opposing the moves by BJP:

Lesson 1 - We can’t persuade the evangelicals. These are people who hold an extreme view (could be for any reason - sometimes due to hate). They are NOT likely to budge at all. Forums are filled with such people on both sides. NOBODY is changing anybody’s views here. It’s all about point scoring. But in the outside world, there are MILLIONS of people who are not on either side. Our appeal must be directed at them.

Lesson 2 - When you use words like bigot, racist, fascist, communal, anti national….you are labelling people and FORCING them to conform to your views before they have even made up their mind. If that comes BEFORE a bond is formed, it creates a resistance which makes them non receptive to what you have to say...and in many cases, hate you for trying to make them feel so bad. When the bond is formed, the us vs them works beautifully like in the case of BJP - support us if you LOVE our nation --- don’t let anti nationals and anti hindus win.

Which brings us to the point...what do minorities (and other Hindus) need to do?

a. Avoid being the characters that you are presented as.

The presentation is that anti CAA-NRC supporters are biased (protecting their religious mates), anti- Hindu, anti-BJP, etc. Foaming in the mouth types.When someone rants and raves and uses terms like bigot, fascist, anti Muslim, this and that in every damn sentence, you are playing into the hands of BJP.The moment you stop being the character that people PERCEIVE you as, it acts as a pattern interrupt and NOW people are more open to listening to your views.

b. Identify the subtle differences in the debate and acknowledge the good parts of it.

This makes you seem reasonable. CAA is a good move in the end (prosecuted Hindus get saved by it) but it’s the CAA-NRC combo that is the problem. The focus should ALWAYS be on CAA-NRC and not CAA. Debating technicalities of CAA is ok but the move itself can’t be opposed as its a needed thing (just that people don’t trust BJP intentions lol).

c. Talk about this issue from a concerned citizen...as opposed to a concerned Muslim.

Talk about the affected parties (poor Muslims) rather than Muslims overall. For minorities, it’s better they stay clear of making this a direct Hindu vs Muslim debate cos the existing perception won’t help them. Also its easy for things to take a dark turn. Instead focusing on the necessity and executional ability of an all India exercise makes more sense imho.

Doing all this won’t sway anyone who is fully on the opposite spectrum but it will make SOOO many others reflect on it.

Case in point…one of the BIGGEST reasons these protests gained so much traction and there are soo many social media comments against the govt is because NO party was directly involved in this (indirectly sure). It was a protest by students which made it HARD for BJP to twist it around. And now, people who never even uttered anything against BJP have started talking about it. Not saying people have been completely swayed but there is a marked shift in public perception.

The same way….some things in the protests got out of hand which gave BJP enough ammunition to fight back and make use of it in the elections. So it goes both ways and that’s why the messaging and management of these protests have to be done very very carefully.

Imagine for one sec..if Congress (of today) was at the forefront of this from Day 1. Things would be so different. BJP would have had SOO much fun destroying them.

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As much as things are bad now…..the game can change.

BJP might be the OBVIOUS winner in 2024 elections but a lot can happen between now and then.

The usual stuff needs to be there (marketable leader, proper campaign strategy, etc) but it will all come down to positioning….and BJP has given the opposition enough to work with.

The question is whether we can use the opportunities.

Maybe in another post later on, I will detail it out.

This post has gotten wayyy too long already haha.

 

[Redchilly007]

BJP managed that not coz of their candidates but coz of Center..

BJP in Delhi is a sorry state, everyone knows how useless and corrupt they are in Delhi , they might again win National but state elections in Delhi they won’t crack coz BJP state for Delhi has some of the worst leaders ever.

I agree. BJP local leadership is one of the reasons they lost. If they had same local leadership as AAP, result might have been different.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

That isn't true at all, I don't remember congress or any other opposition party trying to do that, though tbf only media speech thing i remember from congress in 2014 is the glorious self destruction of pappu.

There are direct statements and indirect implications bro.

You don't have to openly say something for people to get it.

Congress fought that election on the anti communal forces plank.

Sonia Gandhi statement of maut ka saudagar barb.

Congress denied there was a Modi wave for like 12-18 months atleast...and didn't have any attractive offer to choose them while Modi was focusing on development, terrorism, etc.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Branding?

Aap won Delhi in 2015 with a bigger margin, still lost the 7 LS seats.

There is no Branding here.VS wise delhi holds little significance. But parties fight to keep delhi for the 7 LS seats it has. Thats significant.

Yes...branding.

AAP had & has national ambitions because it conquered Delhi.

Lok Sabha and state elections are different.

In 2014 elections, it got 32% share. So 32% voted against Modi (and Congress) inspite of no real alternative.

In 2019, AAP polled 18%. Had it joined with Congress, it would have got 40% votes and won a few seats.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

I am not underestimating what modi can do, but as i said, the CAA, NRC stuff will really hurt him outside of hindi heartlands, already all the work the rss did in assam to prop up bjp has been destroyed. Outside of a small hardcore votebase no one cares about ram mandir outside of North india, Article 370 is a double edged sword, you can claim its credit but at the same time bjp is basically running a curfew state, that is not a situation you can advertise much about.

They will win in 2024 unless congis decide to end the maa-beta rulership, but their nos will be around what most coalition govts have had, not the ones bjp logged in last 2 elections. And modi aura is already fading in states, in 2014 he genuinely had the power to get bjp elected just on his name, now that gone. If the local units aren't upto the task they are getting smacked about, can't coast on modi's name anymore.

The biggest problem of the modi style of leadership as can be seen from what fadnavis is facing in maharashtra, if you don't get the results there a lot of unhappy folk within and without your organisation who are just waiting for a chance to get at you.

We are completely on the same page bro.

You are saying CAA-NRC won't cut it outside the hindi belt and I am saying that BJP insisting that anyone who is against CAA-NRC is against India, Hindus, etc, etc...are doing the same mistakes that previous govts did.

Also I completely agree on the number of seats BJP will win in 2024. The scary part is that they don't need to win 300 seats...even 200 seats will do....Maybe even 180 odd. This is what I was telling my Dad.....BJP can screw up as much as possible and STILL scrap a win if there are no credible alternatives with a proper message.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes...branding.

AAP had & has national ambitions because it conquered Delhi.

Lok Sabha and state elections are different.

In 2014 elections, it got 32% share. So 32% voted against Modi (and Congress) inspite of no real alternative.

In 2019, AAP polled 18%. Had it joined with Congress, it would have got 40% votes and won a few seats.

AAP has little presence outside Delhi. Heck they have 1 LS seat,down from 4 in 2014. No branding sir.

Bjp has the worst leadership in Delhi. Yet they have kept a voting percentage of 35 to 40 in VS Elections.

Conquering Delhi doesnt mean much. The real power is in states like UP and Maharashtra.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

AAP has little presence outside Delhi. Heck they have 1 LS seat,down from 4 in 2014. No branding sir.

Bjp has the worst leadership in Delhi. Yet they have kept a voting percentage of 35 to 40 in VS Elections.

Conquering Delhi doesnt mean much. The real power is in states like UP and Maharashtra.

Branding doesn't lead to votes directly.

But the recognition of Kejriwal is huge and its a good starting point.

You gotta start somewhere.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

I remember Amit Shah saying (in Hindi) Delhi's mood will reflect India's mood in 2015. Can't remember the exact quote so unable to get the link.

Delhi is the capital of India.

Stuff happening there creates and shapes the PERCEPTION.

AAP is a non-national party so it can't utilize its Delhi exploits elsewhere.

 

[kaayal]

Ok here it goes:

1. A Muslim's view will not be taken seriously as compared to a fellow Hindu saying it.

Why so?

2 reasons.

Reason 1 - Humans by nature create segregations and define outsiders in EVERY single environment. Among Indians, Hindus will consider Muslims as outsiders.... among Hindus, Brahmins will consider non Brahmins as outsiders....among Brahmins, one sub-cate will consider other as outsider...then there are sub-sub caste divisions too. This is a natural division. Since BJP has created a Hindu vs Muslim situation, that itself reduces the validity of a Muslim's view in the eyes of an average Hindu who make up 80% of the population.

Reason 2 - Validate what they see and feel. An average Muslim is more religious than an average Hindus...plus an average Muslim doesn't speak out against his religion as often as an average Hindu. This again is intelligently used by BJP to project that Muslims are united...Hindus aren't...and they bring in an EVEN more powerful weapon...our TRUE enemies are not just Muslims who are united but also the so called "secular" Hindus who support these Muslims for everything.

So in this way, not only are Muslims' views automatically deemed biased....but it also weakens the case of those Hindus speaking out.

So with one arrow, they kill 2 birds.

Here’s the way out imho:

2. Simply do not fall trap into being the characters that they present you as.

A quick backstory first:

A couple of days back, one of my friends (USA Tam Brahm - non religious dude) posted on his FB wall lambasting Rajnikanth for his comments on CAA-NRC. Another guy (Tam Brahm) started posting in support of it and soon a comment war ensued. This other guy (instead of debating the points) quickly started openly abusing Muslims in a weird long rant. My friend deleted his hate posts and moved on.

Later that day, me and my friend had a chat and I asked him why he used words like “fascist” “bigot” so much in his replies (which were otherwise pretty logical).

My friend what’s the big deal...even New York times described it that way. I asked him “isn’t that why guys like Trump get elected” and he saw the point.

There are 2 lessons here for all of us (Hindus and Muslims) opposing the moves by BJP:

Lesson 1 - We can’t persuade the evangelicals. These are people who hold an extreme view (could be for any reason - sometimes due to hate). They are NOT likely to budge at all. Forums are filled with such people on both sides. NOBODY is changing anybody’s views here. It’s all about point scoring. But in the outside world, there are MILLIONS of people who are not on either side. Our appeal must be directed at them.

Lesson 2 - When you use words like bigot, racist, fascist, communal, anti national….you are labelling people and FORCING them to conform to your views before they have even made up their mind. If that comes BEFORE a bond is formed, it creates a resistance which makes them non receptive to what you have to say...and in many cases, hate you for trying to make them feel so bad. When the bond is formed, the us vs them works beautifully like in the case of BJP - support us if you LOVE our nation --- don’t let anti nationals and anti hindus win.

Which brings us to the point...what do minorities (and other Hindus) need to do?

a. Avoid being the characters that you are presented as.

The presentation is that anti CAA-NRC supporters are biased (protecting their religious mates), anti- Hindu, anti-BJP, etc. Foaming in the mouth types.When someone rants and raves and uses terms like bigot, fascist, anti Muslim, this and that in every damn sentence, you are playing into the hands of BJP.The moment you stop being the character that people PERCEIVE you as, it acts as a pattern interrupt and NOW people are more open to listening to your views.

b. Identify the subtle differences in the debate and acknowledge the good parts of it.

This makes you seem reasonable. CAA is a good move in the end (prosecuted Hindus get saved by it) but it’s the CAA-NRC combo that is the problem. The focus should ALWAYS be on CAA-NRC and not CAA. Debating technicalities of CAA is ok but the move itself can’t be opposed as its a needed thing (just that people don’t trust BJP intentions lol).

c. Talk about this issue from a concerned citizen...as opposed to a concerned Muslim.

Talk about the affected parties (poor Muslims) rather than Muslims overall. For minorities, it’s better they stay clear of making this a direct Hindu vs Muslim debate cos the existing perception won’t help them. Also its easy for things to take a dark turn. Instead focusing on the necessity and executional ability of an all India exercise makes more sense imho.

Doing all this won’t sway anyone who is fully on the opposite spectrum but it will make SOOO many others reflect on it.

Case in point…one of the BIGGEST reasons these protests gained so much traction and there are soo many social media comments against the govt is because NO party was directly involved in this (indirectly sure). It was a protest by students which made it HARD for BJP to twist it around. And now, people who never even uttered anything against BJP have started talking about it. Not saying people have been completely swayed but there is a marked shift in public perception.

The same way….some things in the protests got out of hand which gave BJP enough ammunition to fight back and make use of it in the elections. So it goes both ways and that’s why the messaging and management of these protests have to be done very very carefully.

Imagine for one sec..if Congress (of today) was at the forefront of this from Day 1. Things would be so different. BJP would have had SOO much fun destroying them.

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As much as things are bad now…..the game can change.

BJP might be the OBVIOUS winner in 2024 elections but a lot can happen between now and then.

The usual stuff needs to be there (marketable leader, proper campaign strategy, etc) but it will all come down to positioning….and BJP has given the opposition enough to work with.

The question is whether we can use the opportunities.

Maybe in another post later on, I will detail it out.

This post has gotten wayyy too long already haha.

Agree with all the points that you mentioned here. This BJP tactic of instilling fear among muslims and making them confrontational against ****** have only cemented their purpose. This has even made the mrudu hindus turning into hardline ones. Unfortunately many muslims including myself just turn into the defending mode when anything happens. They have also programmed us into thinking that hindus really doesn't want to be with muslims at any cost. I also believe it's just a phase in our history where the right wingers are flourishing and this too will have an end. Karma will take over In sha Allah.

And thanks for such a detailed post, eventhough it took so much of your time.

 

[andy0204]

AAP has little presence outside Delhi. Heck they have 1 LS seat,down from 4 in 2014. No branding sir.

Bjp has the worst leadership in Delhi. Yet they have kept a voting percentage of 35 to 40 in VS Elections.

Conquering Delhi doesnt mean much. The real power is in states like UP and Maharashtra.

In Maharashtra you cant win without alliance.

 

[Rajdeep]

Delhi Election Result 2020: PM Tweets Congratulations To Arvind Kejriwal For Delhi Win. He Replies

New Delhi: Prime Minister Narendra Modi today congratulated Arvind Kejriwal for the Aam Aadmi Party's landslide victory in the Delhi Assembly election. Mr Kejriwal, in a prompt reply on Twitter, accepted PM's wishes and said he is looking forward to work with the Centre for the development of the national capital.
"Thank you so much sir. I look forward to working closely with the Centre to make our capital city a truly world class city," Arvind Kejriwal tweeted.

https://www-ndtv-com.cdn.ampproject...ratulates-aap-arvind-kejriwal-for-win-2178635

Class personified from PM as usual. Still remember, how opposition was blaming EVM rather than accepting defeat gracefully after general election. All of them - Mamta, Mayawati, Chandrababu Naidu were crying how EC is sold out, how instutions are being hijacked, evm's got tampered etc. Accepting people's mandate humbly in a democracy is a term alien to few.

How graceful of PM to take defeat on the chin, accepting people's mandate and congratulate the opposition. You need not be an 'IIT' graduate to be classy

 

[JaDed]

AAP has little presence outside Delhi. Heck they have 1 LS seat,down from 4 in 2014. No branding sir.

Bjp has the worst leadership in Delhi. Yet they have kept a voting percentage of 35 to 40 in VS Elections.

Conquering Delhi doesnt mean much. The real power is in states like UP and Maharashtra.

True.. you should be happy Jats are favoring BJp in UP.. once they abandon BJP , UP is over , Maharastra might not be big for BJP anymore as it used to be.

I wonder if every party can do the divisivepolitics that BJP plays as well, it should be easy actually, all regional parties can easily do that.

Irrespective your biggest vote bank coz of Rahul Gandhi would still remain for 2024 , so you are covered there..

 

[Stewie]

I am talking about 2014 India and 2016 USA.

2014 India - If you support BJP and Modi, you are a communal, hate filled bigot who is ONLY voting BJP to teach Muslims a lesson. Doesn't matter what other reasons you may have...but this is WHY you are voting.

2016 USA - If you support Conservatives and Trump, you are a racist bigot who hates people of colour, women and immigrants. Only the scummiest of **** would support Trump and there can be NO OTHER reason for you to vote.

Election result: BOOM.

There are some striking similarities but the dynamics of the two are very different. Trump stumbled into Presidency with some help from Russia.

In India, it seems the situation is more hardcore. I can safely state that in the US, people are mostly concerned about the economy. They will easily jump ship if the economy falters (the swing voters, that is.. they are the key demographic)

In India politics is now turned into along religious lines.. it’s not about conservative or liberal anymore.

 

[JaDed]

There are some striking similarities but the dynamics of the two are very different. Trump stumbled into Presidency with some help from Russia.

In India, it seems the situation is more hardcore. I can safely state that in the US, people are mostly concerned about the economy. They will easily jump ship if the economy falters (the swing voters, that is.. they are the key demographic)

In India politics is now turned into along religious lines.. it’s not about conservative or liberal anymore.

Then why BjP lost so many state elections in last year?

US is lucky coz of presidential style elections, India has nepotism in form of Rahul Gandhi..One hood leader of opposition and you would see the difference, similar to state elections.

Amrinder, Kejriwal, Patnaik ,KSR all prove that good state leaders can take on BJP , the problem is these are regional leaders, no national one.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Agree with all the points that you mentioned here. This BJP tactic of instilling fear among muslims and making them confrontational against ****** have only cemented their purpose. This has even made the mrudu hindus turning into hardline ones. Unfortunately many muslims including myself just turn into the defending mode when anything happens. They have also programmed us into thinking that hindus really doesn't want to be with muslims at any cost. I also believe it's just a phase in our history where the right wingers are flourishing and this too will have an end. Karma will take over In sha Allah.

And thanks for such a detailed post, eventhough it took so much of your time.

You are welcome kaayal.

Yeah it's a worldwide trend (my theory is that to the popularity of social media has made fear & misinformation sell easier and faster - plus a lot of B.S of the so called good political parties get exposed).

Things will eventually settle down.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

There are some striking similarities but the dynamics of the two are very different. Trump stumbled into Presidency with some help from Russia.

In India, it seems the situation is more hardcore. I can safely state that in the US, people are mostly concerned about the economy. They will easily jump ship if the economy falters (the swing voters, that is.. they are the key demographic)

In India politics is now turned into along religious lines.. it’s not about conservative or liberal anymore.

Indian politics always had religious, caste wars.

Just that since the current opposition is useless, BJP gets away with "religion & nationalism" inspite of horrible performance.

I read an article that showed how employment has minimal impact on our national elections.

2004 - employment was good yet BJP was voted out
2009 - employment wasn't great yet Congress was voted back into power for 2nd term
2014 - employment was much better but Congress was voted out
2019 - employment is at an ALL TIME LOW and BJP got its ALL TIME HIGH results

Maybe if it goes too extreme, the trend will be broken.

 

[cricketjoshila]

True.. you should be happy Jats are favoring BJp in UP.. once they abandon BJP , UP is over , Maharastra might not be big for BJP anymore as it used to be.

I wonder if every party can do the divisivepolitics that BJP plays as well, it should be easy actually, all regional parties can easily do that.

Irrespective your biggest vote bank coz of Rahul Gandhi would still remain for 2024 , so you are covered there..

UP is firmly in Bjp hands. Jats have a presence in western UP mainly.

Fact that Ajit Singh and his son lost, tells you that Jats are firmly with BJP.

BJP fought the 2014 Maha Elections alone, was SLP.

2019 elections they are SLP.

The alliance in maha will last at the most till Pawar is alive, but it may collapse even before.

BJP has a dedicated voteshare and its increasing.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Then why BjP lost so many state elections in last year?

US is lucky coz of presidential style elections, India has nepotism in form of Rahul Gandhi..One hood leader of opposition and you would see the difference, similar to state elections.

Amrinder, Kejriwal, Patnaik ,KSR all prove that good state leaders can take on BJP , the problem is these are regional leaders, no national one.

Punjab is SAD territory not bjp. They are a junior partner there.

Kejriwal lost 7-0 to bjp in 2019
Pattanaik too lost 8 seats in 2019. He is as good as a NDA partner.
KSR too lost 4 seats in 2019.

Bjp has firmly entrenched itself as number 1 or number 2 party in most states. Having a dedicated voteshare, unless congress pushes them back, BJP will win 2024 Elections too.

 

[Stewie]

Then why BjP lost so many state elections in last year?

US is lucky coz of presidential style elections, India has nepotism in form of Rahul Gandhi..One hood leader of opposition and you would see the difference, similar to state elections.

Amrinder, Kejriwal, Patnaik ,KSR all prove that good state leaders can take on BJP , the problem is these are regional leaders, no national one.

Quite honestly, I do not know, but I also do not see the relevance to the point I made earlier.

Politics in India is always along religious/caste lines.
If not Modi, they will turn to someone else. But it’s going to be nigh impossible for them to vote for someone they inherently don’t feel “kinship” with. A muslims candidate (not a so called Muslim) or someone belonging to scheduled or backward caste. Politics will always center around causes that support Hindus or upper caste Hindus. Congress used minorities but still it catered to the majority Hindus or upper class Hindus.

Now you compare that with USA.. there are not many religious minorities here that make up strong numbers.. it’s mostly Christians. So the dynamic is different. The divisions are along ideological lines (again they are so-called divisions) .. but due to the electoral college structure, it’s very even Stevens.. and usually the swing states or swing voters decide the fate of the elections. And that can vary on the zeitgeist. But it’s never along religious lines.. it’s almost always along “economic” conditions.. if the economy is doing well, most swing voters will like the status quo to be maintained.. it’s very rare a liberal will turn conservative or a vice versa.. that part of political structure is rarely changed..

Texas is a strong red state.. California is a strong blue state.. that rarely changes.. I hope I am getting my point across.

So while both modi and trump came into power on the backs of populist agendas, I think there are fundamental dissimilarities here (this point was In response to someone’s post comparing the two situations)

 

[CanadianG00se]

What if someone else is the PM candidate and not Rahul Baba?

Won’t make an IOTA of difference. Remember Dr Manmohan ‘Mute’ Singh? He was considered to be a good leader but was controlled by Sonia. So, why do you think appointing any one else for PM would change anything on a grand scale?

I can’t vote in India, but most people I know vote NaMo not because they are Modi fans, but because lack of alternative.

 

[Swashbuckler]

 

[Romali_rotti]

Partial state )

You and your romali friend are having a nightmare day

Joshilla, apparently we are having nightmares ? How did you sleep last night bro ? , I slept so well I am now late for work from sleeping in.

 

[troodon]

Looks like Delhi people Rejected Sanghis again.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Looks like Delhi people Rejected Sanghis again.

Delhi people vote for ‘free giveaways’. I remember AAP was first elected for their ‘free water’ campaign.

If people of Delhi are so pro AAP, then why didn’t they elect a single AAP candidate in federal election?

Its natural to vote someone who can bring down cost of living, I’d do that too if we have similar campaign.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Looks like Delhi people Rejected Sanghis again.

They gave them 7 LS seats.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Delhi people vote for ‘free giveaways’. I remember AAP was first elected for their ‘free water’ campaign.

If people of Delhi are so pro AAP, then why didn’t they elect a single AAP candidate in federal election?

Its natural to vote someone who can bring down cost of living, I’d do that too if we have similar campaign.

Sheila Dixit ran a very good govt. Delhi had a budget surplus under her i believe. Kejri is using that to give freebies. How long before he puts them under debt?

 

[jagatk]

UP is firmly in Bjp hands. Jats have a presence in western UP mainly.

Fact that Ajit Singh and his son lost, tells you that Jats are firmly with BJP.

BJP fought the 2014 Maha Elections alone, was SLP.

2019 elections they are SLP.

The alliance in maha will last at the most till Pawar is alive, but it may collapse even before.

BJP has a dedicated voteshare and its increasing.

BJP in Maharashtra will be decimated if this government manages to stay 5 years.

BJP can gloat all it wants about being SLP but the fact remains it flopped, it basically poached a lot of sitting mla's from other parties, put a lot of money in propping up candidates who might dent Sena's votes and still did not get close to single majority.

Add to that pawar made sure any moral high ground BJP might want to claim was wrested away. If the next election is 3 v 1, bjp won't be anywhere near coming to power. Pawar is a shrewd man but many underestimate thakre, and gandhi clout all but ending, bjp will have to go a different face in Maharashtra and that face will likely be closer to gadkari than he will be to modi.

 

[pillionrider]

Joshilla, apparently we are having nightmares ? How did you sleep last night bro ? , I slept so well I am now late for work from sleeping in.

You mean you slept so late, you woke up late for work

I love you ...

 

[MP2011]

You should also be proud of those people(including me) who voted for them.

I'm proud that my constituency gave a big thumbs down to a strong sanghi candidate.

 

[cricketjoshila]

BJP in Maharashtra will be decimated if this government manages to stay 5 years.

BJP can gloat all it wants about being SLP but the fact remains it flopped, it basically poached a lot of sitting mla's from other parties, put a lot of money in propping up candidates who might dent Sena's votes and still did not get close to single majority.

Add to that pawar made sure any moral high ground BJP might want to claim was wrested away. If the next election is 3 v 1, bjp won't be anywhere near coming to power. Pawar is a shrewd man but many underestimate thakre, and gandhi clout all but ending, bjp will have to go a different face in Maharashtra and that face will likely be closer to gadkari than he will be to modi.

Lol. You do not add voting percentage of all 3 parties and then say they will win. Else the MGB would have won UP. They lost.

BJP fought only 150 odd seats and won 105. It will be near impossible to win a majority Of 145 out of 150 odd seats they fought.

Congress has become the 4th party in Maha and its voteshare is slipping.So is SS. Only NCP has managed to hold.

A 3 v 1 election will see BJP vote share consolidating like in UP while the other 3 will fight on seat sharing and rebels.

 

[MP2011]

Delhi people vote for ‘free giveaways’. I remember AAP was first elected for their ‘free water’ campaign.

If people of Delhi are so pro AAP, then why didn’t they elect a single AAP candidate in federal election?

Its natural to vote someone who can bring down cost of living, I’d do that too if we have similar campaign.

lol, someone who isn't even a resident, is insulting Delhites for being after freebies only.

Angry sanghis I see, lol.

 

[MP2011]

BJP in Maharashtra will be decimated if this government manages to stay 5 years.

BJP can gloat all it wants about being SLP but the fact remains it flopped, it basically poached a lot of sitting mla's from other parties, put a lot of money in propping up candidates who might dent Sena's votes and still did not get close to single majority.

Add to that pawar made sure any moral high ground BJP might want to claim was wrested away. If the next election is 3 v 1, bjp won't be anywhere near coming to power. Pawar is a shrewd man but many underestimate thakre, and gandhi clout all but ending, bjp will have to go a different face in Maharashtra and that face will likely be closer to gadkari than he will be to modi.

Sanghis are a deluded lot if they think they can rule India for 50 years as mota bhai dreams.

If someone as strong as Indira Gandhi could be defeated in elections, 56" is nothing in front of her.

 

[MP2011]

And Delhites didn't choose any AAP candidate in LS elections as they were blown away by lies uttered by the biggest liar ever.

Why blame Delhites only? 40% of Indians were deceived by the master liar.

 

[andy0204]

Won’t make an IOTA of difference. Remember Dr Manmohan ‘Mute’ Singh? He was considered to be a good leader but was controlled by Sonia. So, why do you think appointing any one else for PM would change anything on a grand scale?

I can’t vote in India, but most people I know vote NaMo not because they are Modi fans, but because lack of alternative.

Funny thing you and Romalli rotti are not from India,
[MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] you are right these people act like they know everything.
Absolute wannabes.

 

[MP2011]

Indian politics always had religious, caste wars.

Just that since the current opposition is useless, BJP gets away with "religion & nationalism" inspite of horrible performance.

I read an article that showed how employment has minimal impact on our national elections.

2004 - employment was good yet BJP was voted out
2009 - employment wasn't great yet Congress was voted back into power for 2nd term
2014 - employment was much better but Congress was voted out
2019 - employment is at an ALL TIME LOW and BJP got its ALL TIME HIGH results

Maybe if it goes too extreme, the trend will be broken.

2004 - Vajpayee should've never been booted out. He had his faults, quite a few of them, biggest being not being stern enough to 56" and we're still being terrorized by that blunder of him. Second was that stupid 'India Shining' campaign, courtesy late Pramod Mahajan. But he was still good for India at that stage...

2009 - Manmohan rightly got back with bigger mandate.

2014 - Even a 'mute' Manmohan was always better than 56".

2019 - We crossed all limits of gullibility.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Fakies and sickular libbies

If BJP loses its democracy winning.

If BJP wins voters are deceived.

:

 

[andy0204]

Fakies and sickular libbies

If BJP loses its democracy winning.

If BJP wins voters are deceived.

:

I can understand your pain.

 

[MP2011]

Poor sanghis are even more gullible than I thought they were.

Yeah, Delhi assembly elections were insignificant ones. Tell this to mota bhai who made 200+ sanghi MPs camp in slums for multiple nights. Add to this his own (and Bisht's) blitzkrieg of blatant lies and communalizing Delhi's atmosphere, all his cabinet minsters, CMs from 11 states.

lol, even Lota Kumar aka Sushashan babu campaigned for lying sanghis and all their tireless efforts yielded all of 8 seats!

 

[Romali_rotti]

Congress vote share shrinking by the day. As long as the Italian Gandhi's are one day fully terminated from Indian Politics, all will be good..

 

[Kaptan]

Apparently Bh@kts are soo upset by the loss in an "insignificant pseudo state" that they killed one of AAP's worker and injured another.
And they talk about freebies.
If required I would pay from my pocket just to keep these hooligans away from my state.

 

[CanadianG00se]

lol, someone who isn't even a resident, is insulting Delhites for being after freebies only.

Angry sanghis I see, lol.

Come back when you have frame your argument rather than just throwing names.

Dont quote me if you’re not capable of having decent argument.

As far me not being resident of Delhi, thats true, however we are living in Internet world, where its easy to connect with people in different parts. I have few colleagues who are from Delhi and have family there.

If you havent read in my last quote, i did acknowledge that it was ideal decision for people of Delhi. I would’ve done the exact same if Govt promises to lower cost of living.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Fakies and sickular libbies

If BJP loses its democracy winning.

If BJP wins voters are deceived.

:

This thread will be great when PM Modi wins again in 2024... All the tears flowing from Pseudo Sickulars.. ....

 

[CricketCartoons]

If there is a budget surplus, then it is the right of citizens to get freebies, it is people's own money coming back to them. Was hilarious to see people complaining why JNU has so low fees. The desi crab mentality, when instead of demanding low fees for everyone, they would rather have it increased for everyone.

 

[Romali_rotti]

You mean you slept so late, you woke up late for work

I love you ...


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As long as the Italian Sonia is not in charge it is not all that bad... No more Ammayi Sonya and her 2 year old son.. Me love you long time..

 

[MP2011]

Come back when you have frame your argument rather than just throwing names.

Dont quote me if you’re not capable of having decent argument.

As far me not being resident of Delhi, thats true, however we are living in Internet world, where its easy to connect with people in different parts. I have few colleagues who are from Delhi and have family there.

If you havent read in my last quote, i did acknowledge that it was ideal decision for people of Delhi. I would’ve done the exact same if Govt promises to lower cost of living.

Decent argument with a sanghi living in a foreign land, who knows nothing about what we as residents of India have to go through under these bloody sanghis? Awww, looks like I hurt your feelings..

 

[MP2011]

Apparently Bh@kts are soo upset by the loss in an "insignificant pseudo state" that they killed one of AAP's worker and injured another.
And they talk about freebies.
If required I would pay from my pocket just to keep these hooligans away from my state.

This! True. I'd pay from my own pocket if that means keeping these lying sanghis at a safe distance from power.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Won’t make an IOTA of difference. Remember Dr Manmohan ‘Mute’ Singh? He was considered to be a good leader but was controlled by Sonia. So, why do you think appointing any one else for PM would change anything on a grand scale?

I can’t vote in India, but most people I know vote NaMo not because they are Modi fans, but because lack of alternative.

Manmohan Singh was a good man with the right intentions however he was Italian Sonya's little poodle. When Ammayi Sonya told Manmohan to sit he would, when he told her to roll over he would, when he told over to bend over he would.... Italian Gandhi's must be taken out for the best interest of India.

 

[MP2011]

Come back when you have frame your argument rather than just throwing names.

Frame your argument? Do you even know what this means? You termed all Delhites caring just for freebies. You obviously conveniently ignored the fact what kind of poisonous and downright pathetic campaign run by mota bhai and his cohorts in Delhi.