Would you vote for BJP in 2024?

[MP2011]

And how is this related in anyway with the grave issues being faced by current day India?

But since you've scored a big fat zero in all possible aspects of governance, it's natural that you will look for scapegoats for your gross failures.

UPA-II too was still okish to blame
(only for 1st year or so probably) for India's all ills, but Nehru? He is dead for over half a century now for heaven's sake..

Sanghi followers have to be most gullible ones if they vote for their masters basis their daily diatribe against Nehru.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Ramchandra Guha, Jairam Ramesh Tweet 1947 Letters After Jaishankar Says Nehru Did Not Want Patel in Cabinet

https://www.news18.com/news/politic...ru-did-not-want-patel-in-cabinet-2499777.html

Lies after lies after lies.

Works great on people who are ignorant (like me on most topics like history, economics, etc).

But when the real BIG dogs come into the picture, their lies get exposed.

Their obsession with Nehru is disturbing lol.

Nobody cares about Nehru. They can keep attacking him all they want. lol.

S Jaishankar released a book by narayani basu.

The claim was made in that book. Thats what Jaishankar said.

Nehru is responsible for things like Kashmir, no UCC, IWT and so many others.

The fact that people like SP Mukherjee,Ambedkar resigned from his cabinet. That he lied to not let Rajendra prasad become President.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www....t-of-india-rajagopalachari-1023047-2017-07-07


The entire congress tries to immortalise Nehru and take credit for the country.

 

[JaDed]

Some of my fellow posters are using the term 'Sangh', 'Sanghi' as its some kind of slur. Most of them dont even know what Sangh stands for or the selfless tasks they perform for the nation. I can sense some sort of parallel being drawn comparing Sangh with some banned terror outfits. I can only laugh at such naivetis.

I actually do not blame them. We live in an era where social media and false news are widespread. They have been brainwash by media/opposition on a daily basis that Sangh is communal and criminal organization which has sinister motive. I would urge them....visit one of their sakhas just for a day. Your entire perception will change.

BJP is in power coz social media forwards. A base built from the infamous Nehru is a Muslim story.. creating a bias slowly and steadily among the biased.

RSS is similar to Muslim league and they are communal only one worse than them is VHP.

Be happy with your Shakhas.. and put your children in it, I’m sure others can decide for themselves.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Ahhhhh......ok since you asked for it:



So IAF didn't use Spice2000 bombs mounted on Mirage 2000 fighter jets as reported by every single local and international news media?

Must be some magic bombs they used eh.

From the VERY ARTICLE (I posted) which you probably didn't even read:

Government sources told Reuters last week that 12 Mirage 2000 jets carrying 1,000 kg (2,200 lbs) bombs carried out the attack. On Tuesday, a defence official said the aircraft used the 2,000-lb Israeli-made SPICE 2000 glide bomb in the strike.


Let me guess your response.

ALL the news channels are wrong.

The govt sources MISLEAD RUETERS and hid the name of the jets and bombs.

IAF didn't make an official claim so that by itself means NOBODY KNOWS WHAT AMMUNITION WAS USED.

Right?

This is getting way too funny.



Irrelevant. The very fact you are bringing election results speaks VOLUMES here.



Joshila bhai...you quoted me.

I didn't quote you.

So it's you having a problem with my view even tho mine is based on a completely rational perspective given the data we have at our disposal. All you have is FAITH that the right thing is done. Nothing wrong with it but hey....can't call out people for saying 1+1=2 based on what they see.



Conveniently sidestepping the ACTUAL topic that started the interaction eh.

You quoted me about my post reg Sitharaman's claim about the Pakistani pilot.

I said its debunked.

You said by who? According to you?

I showed proof of it.

No response to that.

How did Sitharaman know about the pilot? She couldn't have. She just went by the fake news. Defense minister of India going by fake news.



Only one difference.

Arm chair experts are OPEN for any conclusion based on data unlike others who HOPE that things would have been done right.

1. The govt never declared what ammunition was used. The media said spice 2000.

Since you believe indian media in this case, why not when they say F16 was downed or Balakot was a success?

2. Elections told everyone that people believed in what the IAF said. The Govt believes it. If some arm chair western media doesnt believe it. Well so be it.

I doubt many in India care to read Washington post or NYT. Many who read it have started junking it because all they get is Burkha Dutt and Rana Ayub

3. Your views are based on your hatred for Modi.

4. The IAF said F16 was shot. The Defence minister reiterated the same. No fake news here.

As the ex IAF chief said IAF will not release the complete footage and give out its capabilities to earn a few brownie points s.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

S Jaishankar released a book by narayani basu.

The claim was made in that book. Thats what Jaishankar said.

Nehru is responsible for things like Kashmir, no UCC, IWT and so many others.

The fact that people like SP Mukherjee,Ambedkar resigned from his cabinet. That he lied to not let Rajendra prasad become President.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www....t-of-india-rajagopalachari-1023047-2017-07-07


The entire congress tries to immortalise Nehru and take credit for the country.

1. Seems like the claims in the book are debunked (according to the proof given by jairam ramesh and guha).

Even if jaishankar is just releasing the book, he is associating himself with the claims and hence will be countered with responses.

2. Nehru is not perfect. 99.99% of Indians don't care about Nehru much. He's old news. This constant attack on him feels like the Congress attack on modi pre 2014. Only difference bjp is doing it to a guy who has been dead for over 50 years.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

1. The govt never declared what ammunition was used. The media said spice 2000.

Since you believe indian media in this case, why not when they say F16 was downed or Balakot was a success?

2. Elections told everyone that people believed in what the IAF said. The Govt believes it. If some arm chair western media doesnt believe it. Well so be it.

I doubt many in India care to read Washington post or NYT. Many who read it have started junking it because all they get is Burkha Dutt and Rana Ayub

3. Your views are based on your hatred for Modi.

4. The IAF said F16 was shot. The Defence minister reiterated the same. No fake news here.

As the ex IAF chief said IAF will not release the complete footage and give out its capabilities to earn a few brownie points s.

1. I clearly addressed that in my post. So basically your counter is spice 2000 wasn't even the used right? No one knows right?

So govt lied to all media sources quoting these news.

There's no point of a rational debate after this.

2. All international publications aren't written by Indians. There are lots of articles out there which you can check.

3. Nope. You couldn't be more wrong.

4. I am talking about defence minister statement on Pak pilot being killed by villagers. She believed fake news. Lets not twist that. I hav clearly talked about it in my previous posts.

5. Last but not the least, judging by your posts, I dont think you quite understand the level of nuanced view I hav reg this topic.

I have gone through stuff into ridiculous details and I know everything is not an open a d shut case yet. There are unanswered questions still remaining. But that doesnt mean just cos questions are unanswered I will deny any existing obvious data and use confirmation bias to fool myself into having a VIEW. That's called faith.

 

[CricketCartoons]

2. Nehru is not perfect. 99.99% of Indians don't care about Nehru much. He's old news. This constant attack on him feels like the Congress attack on modi pre 2014. Only difference bjp is doing it to a guy who has been dead for over 50 years.

Issue is not nehru, but nehruism, which is not dead. Ramasamy naicker is dead but periyarism isn't.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Issue is not nehru, but nehruism, which is not dead. Ramasamy naicker is dead but periyarism isn't.

Yes but intentions can be clearly seen.

More importantly the question is whether its effective. Back in 2014..yes.

Now not really.

Constant attacking anything can only take you so far which everyone eventually realizes.

 

[Slog]

Ramchandra Guha, Jairam Ramesh Tweet 1947 Letters After Jaishankar Says Nehru Did Not Want Patel in Cabinet

https://www.news18.com/news/politic...ru-did-not-want-patel-in-cabinet-2499777.html

Lies after lies after lies.

Works great on people who are ignorant (like me on most topics like history, economics, etc).

But when the real BIG dogs come into the picture, their lies get exposed.

Their obsession with Nehru is disturbing lol.

Nobody cares about Nehru. They can keep attacking him all they want. lol.

Lol in the howdy modi event the American seasoned praised Nehru for 5 mins and modi was standing there ******

 

[Rajdeep]

BJP in power not bcoz of social media forwards

BJPs mega win in 2014 was a backlash against a sectarian party which fooled and looted the country for years. BJPs win in 2014 was an outright rejection of Nehruvian ideology and politics of minority appeasement in 21st century. BJP mega win in 2014 was to shift the powers from remote controlled puppet PM to the one who can take decisive decisions.

If you outcast a family which ruled country for 50 years, ofcourse its followers will try to create nuicence. And that exactly what they did in BJPs 1st term - JNU, Intolerant, Gurmehar Kaur, Kanhaiya Kumar, Quints, Caravans...lies after lies...tried everything just to potray this govt in bad light.

What happens? On 23rd May 2019 people of India elected BJP with even higher numbers.

I thought the slap of 23rd May was enough to knock sense on some. But hum liberals hai....hum nehi manenge.

Another bigger phainta awaits in 2024.

BJP only won due to social media forward it seems...liberals

 

[JaDed]

BJP in power not bcoz of social media forwards

BJPs mega win in 2014 was a backlash against a sectarian party which fooled and looted the country for years. BJPs win in 2014 was an outright rejection of Nehruvian ideology and politics of minority appeasement in 21st century. BJP mega win in 2014 was to shift the powers from remote controlled puppet PM to the one who can take decisive decisions.

If you outcast a family which ruled country for 50 years, ofcourse its followers will try to create nuicence. And that exactly what they did in BJPs 1st term - JNU, Intolerant, Gurmehar Kaur, Kanhaiya Kumar, Quints, Caravans...lies after lies...tried everything just to potray this govt in bad light.

What happens? On 23rd May 2019 people of India elected BJP with even higher numbers.

I thought the slap of 23rd May was enough to knock sense on some. But hum liberals hai....hum nehi manenge.

Another bigger phainta awaits in 2024.

BJP only won due to social media forward it seems...liberals

No one supports Gandhi family here but you are supporting Right Wing Shakhas.

And BJP will win i think so too, coz your biggest campaigner Rahul Gandhi

 

[CricketCartoons]

Yes but intentions can be clearly seen.

More importantly the question is whether its effective. Back in 2014..yes.

Now not really.

Constant attacking anything can only take you so far which everyone eventually realizes.

Whether it is effective or not is another issue. It is a long term plan to demolish some icons and hoist your own. Everyone does that. Congress did that be building the narrative that it is only the nehru-gandhi family which defines the idea of india. BJP tried to pull them down by co opting other neglected icons from the past and claiming them as their own. Tomorrow's generation may identify Sardar Patel with BJP instead of Congress, and the brand recall will help BJP's nationalist image. At least this is the aim.

 

[someone21]

Whether it is effective or not is another issue. It is a long term plan to demolish some icons and hoist your own. Everyone does that. Congress did that be building the narrative that it is only the nehru-gandhi family which defines the idea of india. BJP tried to pull them down by co opting other neglected icons from the past and claiming them as their own. Tomorrow's generation may identify Sardar Patel with BJP instead of Congress, and the brand recall will help BJP's nationalist image. At least this is the aim.

Take Vajpayee for example. There was a large industry of people who only hounded, abused him during his power. And come 15 years later, it was the same people who were in awe and praising him. So the hypocrisy, short term memory, pure opportunism is all around...

 

[cricketjoshila]

1. Seems like the claims in the book are debunked (according to the proof given by jairam ramesh and guha).

Even if jaishankar is just releasing the book, he is associating himself with the claims and hence will be countered with responses.

2. Nehru is not perfect. 99.99% of Indians don't care about Nehru much. He's old news. This constant attack on him feels like the Congress attack on modi pre 2014. Only difference bjp is doing it to a guy who has been dead for over 50 years.

1. So releasing a book is associating with what is said in that book?

2. Please dont presume that Nehru's blunders do not affect Indians today and they do not care. Ask Kashmiri hindus and they will tell you. Ask Assamese and they will tell you.

Kashmir issue article 370, muslim personal law, IWT article 30, All these were all done during Nehrus tenure, except Art 370 which Modi diluted, rest all exist to this day.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes but intentions can be clearly seen.

More importantly the question is whether its effective. Back in 2014..yes.

Now not really.

Constant attacking anything can only take you so far which everyone eventually realizes.

His follies have to be exposed. Congress has been seeking votes in his name for decades. Time people know who did what.

Do you support periyarism?

 

[cricketjoshila]

No one supports Gandhi family here but you are supporting Right Wing Shakhas.

And BJP will win i think so too, coz your biggest campaigner Rahul Gandhi

People are free to support the Gandhi family or Shakas. Thats freedom of choice. Why the name calling?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

1. So releasing a book is associating with what is said in that book?

2. Please dont presume that Nehru's blunders do not affect Indians today and they do not care. Ask Kashmiri hindus and they will tell you. Ask Assamese and they will tell you.

Kashmir issue article 370, muslim personal law, IWT article 30, All these were all done during Nehrus tenure, except Art 370 which Modi diluted, rest all exist to this day.

Tomorrow I release a book about Hafeez Saeed.

I won't be associated with his views?

Of course, releasing a book and using quotes of it means you associate yourself with it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Tomorrow I release a book about Hafeez Saeed.

I won't be associated with his views?

Of course, releasing a book and using quotes of it means you associate yourself with it.

So if political leaders release a book saying 26/11 is RSS consipracy, they are trying to protect perpetrators of of 26/11?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

So if political leaders release a book saying 26/11 is RSS consipracy, they are trying to protect perpetrators of of 26/11?

Hiding may or may not be the intention.

But they will be associated with those who believe RSS did it.

If you launch a book, you associate yourself with its content.

Simple.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Digvijay Singh right?