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Yashasvi Jaiswal versus Saim Ayub

jamie smith said:
can u tell me about a single good innings that jaiswal has played when the pitch wasnt flat.he failed against nz,sa and now vs aus apart from that 161 which he scored when the pitch had turned into a phatta,he has nothing to show and he couldnt even cross single digit scores in the remaining inninigs
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Yeah sure, the 4th test match vs England in Ranchi where he scored 73 and 37.

The second test match vs Eng where he scored 200 and no one else in the team crossed 50.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Yeah sure, the 4th test match vs England in Ranchi where he scored 73 and 37.

The second test match vs Eng where he scored 200 and no one else in the team crossed 50.
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His T20 habits let him down a bit. Loose shots atleast twice in Australian tour. When he buckled down he made 170. Getting out to full swinging ball has nothing to do with pitch. It can happen upfront for an opener. You can use this logic against any batsmen. None better than one mr. Jo Root who is yet o make a 100 in Australia
 
One difference is Jaiswal will have a lot of competition within Indian set up. Saim has zero competition. How it will impact their career is something we have to wait and see.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
One difference is Jaiswal will have a lot of competition within Indian set up. Saim has zero competition. How it will impact their career is something we have to wait and see.
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As long as Saim plays for his team and not to keep out competition, no one will care.
 
jamie smith said:
can u tell me about a single good innings that jaiswal has played when the pitch wasnt flat.he failed against nz,sa and now vs aus apart from that 161 which he scored when the pitch had turned into a phatta,he has nothing to show and he couldnt even cross single digit scores in the remaining inninigs
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Yashasvi Jaiswal may not have delivered performances so extraordinary that we’d compare him to legends like Virat Kohli or Sachin Tendulkar, but he certainly hasn’t been so underwhelming as to deserve heavy criticism either. Among the crop of young emerging players, his name stands out for good reason. A couple of poor series doesn’t define a player’s career. Judging him—or anyone—against the unparalleled standards of icons like Sachin Tendulkar or Hanif Mohammad is unrealistic and often unfair. Let’s allow Jaiswal the time to grow and prove himself over the next few years before rushing to conclusions. And no, he is not overhyped. Anyone who earns the right to wear the Indian jersey has done so through sheer ability and relentless hard work.
 
Mamoon said:
Gill is a far better batsman than Babar. 10 years down the line even hardcore Babar fans wouldn’t dare to compare the two.

India is a batting-obsessed nation. They will never be short of world class batsmen. We celebrate one Babar Azam in 20 years where as they produce several elite batsmen every few years.
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Disagree here Mamoon. Gill is not even close to Babar.
 
Mamoon said:
No doubt. Gill has tapered off big time. He is a very average player.

Babar would walk into the Indian Test and ODI team ahead of Gill.
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this current lot of indian cricketers is not humble and they are not showing any respect veterans ,greats like starc,cummins.Harsshit and jaiswal were shown their true value by starc
 
jamie smith said:
this current lot of indian cricketers is not humble and they are not showing any respect veterans ,greats like starc,cummins.Harsshit and jaiswal were shown their true value by starc
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I don't mind that tbh it is something we can learn from India. No need to be overfriendly particularly with HTBs and FTBs from Aus. Give it back to them. We are missing characters.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
I don't mind that tbh it is something we can learn from India. No need to be overfriendly particularly with HTBs and FTBs from Aus. Give it back to them. We are missing characters.
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still u have to show some respect to the greats/veterans of game being a rookie urself
 
Jaiswal is 23 years old.
2024 was his first full year as an international cricketer and he will finish with 1300+ test runs at an average of around 50.

That is a great start to his test career. There is zero merit in criticizing him for anything right now.

Tougher tests await him but he is doing fine. He stays back so was always going to struggle against pace in Australia. It was evident in South Africa as well. Very early days.
 
jamie smith fan said:
most of the hyphed players today are either ipl bullies or ftbs who go missing on difficult pitchers or in tricky situationslike jfm,yashaswi etc
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Spot on. There is no comparison between jaiswal (an overhyped ipl bully who has lost his place in the team) and S Ayub (who has cemented his place in the team with his consistent match winning performances despite the tricky situations).
 
Sachin fan said:
Come on, Jaiswal was always hyped way more than Gill and rightly so. No one in india puts Gill over Jaiswal except the selectors, Gambhir and agent @mominsaigol
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Right so the indians selectors who are in charge, Ghambir who is the coach of the actual team are exceptions

But you an obvious old poster now under a new Alt account ID as pointed out by @Bhaag Viru Bhaag know better.

I should write to BCCI and ask them to make you head coach, I'm sure they will laugh at you.
 
Jaiswal is better groomed. Technically more compact.

Saim showed a lot of promise as a flashy T20 opener but has a long way to go still to establish himself as a batter.
 
mominsaigol said:
Right so the indians selectors who are in charge, Ghambir who is the coach of the actual team are exceptions

But you an obvious old poster now under a new Alt account ID as pointed out by @Bhaag Viru Bhaag know better.

I should write to BCCI and ask them to make you head coach, I'm sure they will laugh at you.
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What do you mean pointed, I myself said I am in many posts.

And Indian fans rate jaiswal way over Gill which is contrary to what the post I replied to was claiming. Gambhir has his own agenda with certain players which has nothing to do with batting ability
 
Sachin fan said:
What do you mean pointed, I myself said I am in many posts.

And Indian fans rate jaiswal way over Gill which is contrary to what the post I replied to was claiming. Gambhir has his own agenda with certain players which has nothing to do with batting ability
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You pinged me and said something stupid.

So I replied. End of story. As for agendas this, Indian fans that, I couldn't care less.

The only indian fan whos picture I saw on this forumn was wearing a Banyan and paraded it as his cover photo, and you guys view him as your KP Leader.

If that is the face of Indian Fans on PP, then I think I'll select to Ghambir and Selectors who wear indian sports jerseys or casual office wear thanks.
 
As of now based on stats and how things are going, there is no meaning in comparing Yashaswi Jaiswal and Saim Ayub. First of all being from different countries they face different challenges. As another point, we see Jaiswal is playing more in longer format. Saim Ayub is not selected for the test match against South Africa. As far ODIs, Jaiswal has played only one ODI and now he is selected for playing in ODIs in Australia. Saim Ayub has played quite a few ODIs. Jaiswal has played in T20Is so far and has an average of around 36. But now he is not considered for selection in T20Is. Saim Ayub is establishing himself in T20Is Pakistan team. It is possible while Jaiswal will play more in longer format and Saim Ayub will play more in shortest format. How can we compare them? Hope both the players do well for their respective countries.
 
Saim Ayub has great potential to become a genuine allrounder and team should give him time to realise his true potential..As per Jaiswal is concerned he is a gun batsman and should be included in all formats..
 
jamie smith fan said:
even jaiswal isnot that special a player that he is shown by indians who thought gill was the 2nd coming of don bradman
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Lol.

Hasn't aged well.

Both Gill and Jaiswal were special. Man of tournament in 2018 and 2020 U19 WC.

Ofc doesn't mean it will translate to senior performance.

But both have achieved things which even the greatest Pakistani batsmen Miandad, YK, Youhana have not achieved.

Jaiswal has match winning centuries in both Australia and England. No Pak batsman has ever.

Gill shepherded the chase at the Gabba becoming the first and only Asian team to win there and also broke Australia's 30+ year unbeaten streak. Also scored a 200 and 100 at Edgbaston and again like Gabba became the first and only Asian team to win there. Also scored loads of runs in that series behind only Bradman and Steve Smith, two legends of the game.

For guys who are 23 and 26, that is a solid CV.
 
Jaiswal is from a humble background, lacks the pr n support from Mumbai/ Delhi big heads.

I guess he will be the crowd fav down the line compared to Gill
 
Advaith said:
Saim Ayub has great potential to become a genuine allrounder and team should give him time to realise his true potential..As per Jaiswal is concerned he is a gun batsman and should be included in all formats..
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Not seeing any potential in his batting. Lots of work needs to be done. His all focus is on bowling. Yes, a good start in qeat, but what happened at intl level?
 
Advaith said:
Saim Ayub has great potential to become a genuine allrounder and team should give him time to realise his true potential..As per Jaiswal is concerned he is a gun batsman and should be included in all formats..
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We are already struggling. Why do you want Pakistan cricket to suffer more?
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
Jaiswal is from a humble background, lacks the pr n support from Mumbai/ Delhi big heads.

I guess he will be the crowd fav down the line compared to Gill
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He's not Maharashtrian but he's a Mumbai player. Of course he'll get plenty of support in Mumbai.
 
All of these comparisons will always be won by the Indians simply cause of better facilities.

Even the likes of Rahul and Iyer have surpassed Babar, their greatest talent in decades.
 
saimayubera said:
All of these comparisons will always be won by the Indians simply cause of better facilities.

Even the likes of Rahul and Iyer have surpassed Babar, their greatest talent in decades.
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Rahul with 34 average? He is walking wicket under pressure
 
Without giving my actual opinion on this comparison, let me give some what of a constructive feedback Saim Ayub vs Riyan Parag, might be a better comparison 👍.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Didn't say anything about his technique :P Yeah it's probably not the greatest. I'm just going by his hand-eye.


Watch that shot where he hits Milne over long off for six. If you slow that down, you'll see that it's not pre-meditated at all . He's actually reacting to the ball, lol. Fast hands ,picking the trajectory very early and hitting a fast bowler like that and that too so effortlessly? This kid is legit. Sharjeel was "27" when he started playing regularly for Pakistan .

If you watch that, he has slog swept Sodhi, played cuts behind square and his technique looks much better than Fakhar already :))

Wouldn't judge based on AFG series. At least he was trying to hit while getting out. Young white ball batters are better off erring on the side of aggression rather than looking timid and batting selfishly. Needs to be encouraged to just get better at execution - like Morgan used to encourage. Technique actually gets better when you encourage aggression. Young batters will always find better positions to hit the ball. Just needs to be fine tuned afterwards.

Get him to Bradburn, Mickey, puttick and co. now. Babar was not very polished in 2016 either. Took 2 -3 years under Mickey and Grant. Saim Ayub needs that level of help rather than keep playing Pakistan Cup .

I think he's probably improved as much as possible at the Pakistan Cup level.
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Wow, some of those shots. I liked him during the Asia Cup where he did nothing lol, but sometimes you just get a vibe off a player even when he's getting nothing. Many of those shots here look like things that would flow naturally when he's confident. Maybe his confidence is shot now. idk. Someone, I think Dhoni said, cricket is 90% your mind. Saim's obviously got the game. Hope he can get his mind flowing too soon before he is eaten up by the toxic buzz that Pakistan seems incapable of shielding their best players from.
 
Katwalindian said:
Rahul with 34 average? He is walking wicket under pressure
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Rahul's average is 36 and that is as an opener in tests. He has multiple match winning centuries in SENA and has many centuries in SENA. Babar hasn't.

With the new pitches that have come in Pak and Babar's game against spin, their averages will converge over the next 2-3 years. Babar's average was entirely made by Rawalpindi flat pitches.

White ball even Babar is super mediocre and is even more of a walking wicket. At least Rahul had a great CT 25.
 
Local.Dada said:
Without giving my actual opinion on this comparison, let me give some what of a constructive feedback Saim Ayub vs Riyan Parag, might be a better comparison 👍.
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Parag will also overcome him.

Talent is nothing without system.

The 2016 (Pant, Sundar) and 2020 (Jaiswal, Jurel, Tilak) U19 batches of India have already produced greater international players than the 2016 WI team or the 2020 Bang team who actually won those tournaments.
 
saimayubera said:
Parag will also overcome him.

Talent is nothing without system.

The 2016 (Pant, Sundar) and 2020 (Jaiswal, Jurel, Tilak) U19 batches of India have already produced greater international players than the 2016 WI team or the 2020 Bang team who actually won those tournaments.
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Paragh has a high ceiling as well. He matched Abhishek six for six in the SMAT 2023 edition.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Paragh has a high ceiling as well. He matched Abhishek six for six in the SMAT 2023 edition.
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But Parag has some attitude issues going by his body language which will not sit well with our head coach. Don't think he will be part of Indian team in any format moving forward.
 
Jaiswal is clearly more talented and he has already established himself after playing few test matches. I am sure he a good t20 batter also and he might do fine job in ODIs as well, if he gets a chance and he might be getting soon.

Saim is a good player, he has an extra skill of bowling but he has played so many games and still looks like a new comer who is looking to find his confidence and make the place permanent.
 
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