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Yashasvi Jaiswal versus Saim Ayub

jnaveen1980 said:
He is the first Jaiswal. He is going to carve his own niche. HE doesn't need comparison. Zero achievements? 3 player of the match awards in T20, 2 player of the match in Tests. One player of the series award. Hit 26 sixes in a single Test series history. Highest by some distance.

Currently playing two formats

World no.3 in Tests
World no.4 in T20Is.
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If he doesn't need comparison then why are people still commenting on his comparison thread?
 
mominsaigol said:
If he doesn't need comparison then why are people still commenting on his comparison thread?
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I didn't start the thread. I also talked about plethora of meaningless comparison threads just for troll purposes. I don't start comaprison threads as it invariably descends into a cesspool.
 
Saim Ayub in his left pinkie has more talent than Jaiswal, and will achieve greater heights if applies his brains.

Sadly the brain's been missing since debut....
 
Jaiswal just can't compete with ayub. Doesn't have the raw talent or ability. Jaiswal we all saw vs SA was at sea. Ayub will do much better vs pace and bounce.
 
mominsaigol said:
Why not compare Jaiswal to an actual proper left handed opener? Travis head?
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When Jaiswal ends his career he will leave the likes of Travis Head in the dust, who is nothing but just on a purple patch, 2 years later we can catch up and see where he went.

As always you will bring the argument of world cup final, why not put Head ahead of Tendulkar too considering Tendulkar didn't score a century in WC final
 
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mominsaigol said:
Brother rana started it when their was no data on either of these 2.

However now that data exists the case shpuld be closed and done and dusted. Not bumped into oblivion anytime saim fails and jaiswal scores.

This thread needs a sequel, Jaiswal vs Travis and I'm probs gonna create one
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Please create one, you need to show the world how clueless you are, go ahead.

Riding on Travis Heads recent success has made you totally unaware of the faults he has, he is never gonna average 45 in test cricket, but wait why would you ever analyse him he already has 100 in WC final.

Let's compare him with Gambhir then, who is Heads actual father, scored two match winning innings in two finals and also became number one test batsman in rankings which Travis Head won't achieve in his lifetime

Gambir became number one in tests when the likes of Sachin, Sangakkara, Younis, Sehwag, Clarke, Ponting, Ab, G Smith, Kallis were all playing.

Head is not good enough to tie shoelaces of our Head Coach. The way Gautam Gambhir made our arch rivals cry in the finals is something Head will never achieve.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
When Jaiswal ends his career he will leave the likes of Travis Head in the dust, who is nothing but just on a purple patch, 2 years later we can catch up and see where he went.

As always you will bring the idiotic argument of world cup final, why not put Head ahead of Tendulkar too considering Tendulkar didn't score a century in WC final
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But momin Was born In aus though. He can support aus.

But as for the post, I don't know why he is posting about aus being overlords.

T heads numbers overseas in some nations is still poor in tests. Long way to go

Both jassu and head are quality. If jassu played wc 2023 among with hardik then aus ain't winning the WC. Also no pant the aus killer
 
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jeeteshssaxena said:
Please create one, you need to show the world how clueless you are, go ahead.

Riding on Travis Heads recent success has made you totally unaware of the faults he has, he is never gonna average 45 in test cricket, but wait why would you ever analyse him he already has 100 in WC final.

Let's compare him with Gambhir then, who is Heads actual father, scored two match winning innings in two finals and also became number one test batsman in rankings which Travis Head won't achieve in his lifetime

Gambir became number one in tests when the likes of Sachin, Sangakkara, Younis, Sehwag, Clarke, Ponting, Ab, G Smith, Kallis were all playing.

Head is not good enough to tie shoelaces of our Head Coach. The way Gautam Gambhir made our arch rivals cry in the finals is something Head will never achieve.
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Settle down, Ghambir got kicked out in 2012 which was 12 years ago and he was 30 at that time.

Dhawan replaced him and his career ended at 30 🤣🤣
 
Saim hype-train has been buried under the ground. This guy is not a red-ball player and that is true. Jaiswal is 100 steps ahead of Saim in every format atm and IMO, it will stay the same.
 
Head is just a cheap third class version of AB de Villiers, who at prime was compared to the likes of Viv Richards, Sachin Tendulkar and Barry Richards.

Jaiswal will surpass him easily. Saim Ayub is a nobody, he plays for Pakistan, enuff said.
 
Ab Fan said:
Head is just a cheap third class version of AB de Villiers, who at prime was compared to the likes of Viv Richards, Sachin Tendulkar and Barry Richards.

Jaiswal will surpass him easily. Saim Ayub is a nobody, he plays for Pakistan, enuff said.
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De villers and viv are far apart lol
 
I hope Saim turns out to be a good player, he is pretty young so even if he gets there in 2-3 years that would be enough.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
When Jaiswal ends his career he will leave the likes of Travis Head in the dust, who is nothing but just on a purple patch, 2 years later we can catch up and see where he went.
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jeeteshssaxena said:
As always you will bring the argument of world cup final, why not put Head ahead of Tendulkar too considering Tendulkar didn't score a century in WC final
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Jaiswal is a talented guy, but theirs no guarantee he'll have a succesful career.

I remember you guys jumping on the Gill trend
 
mominsaigol said:
Jaiswal is a talented guy, but theirs no guarantee he'll have a succesful career.

I remember you guys jumping on the Gill trend
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Jaiswal has a better career so far than Saim and I don't this trend changing anytime soon.
 
Ab Fan said:
Head is just a cheap third class version of AB de Villiers, who at prime was compared to the likes of Viv Richards, Sachin Tendulkar and Barry Richards.

Jaiswal will surpass him easily. Saim Ayub is a nobody, he plays for Pakistan, enuff said.
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Head is a better match winner than ab ever was. Tbf

According to momin.

Not me. Don't shoot the messenger.
 
kron said:
Head is a better match winner than ab ever was. Tbf

According to momin.

Not me. Don't shoot the messenger.
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He 100% is?

No disrespect to ab, AB talent wise is a 100x > Head and has 360 range of strikes and is the father of unorthodox cricket.

I'd put him in my atg team over Travis.

However de villers is a south African at the end of the day and is a glorified choker. The dude choked more often then not and I still remember 2015 pakistan wc choke.

Travis head is not a choker. Not from any angle. De villers would have never ever scored a century for his country and won the game in a crucial moment like head.

But yes No one can replicate that 100 of 31, no one
 
mominsaigol said:
He 100% is?

No disrespect to ab, AB talent wise is a 100x > Head and has 360 range of strikes and is the father of unorthodox cricket.

I'd put him in my atg team over Travis.

However de villers is a south African at the end of the day and is a glorified choker. The dude choked more often then not and I still remember 2015 pakistan wc choke.

Travis head is not a choker. Not from any angle. De villers would have never ever scored a century for his country and won the game in a crucial moment like head.

But yes No one can replicate that 100 of 31, no one
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I am just the messenger. I actually agree with you too in LOI. Tests ab definitely is the way better player.
 
kron said:
I am just the messenger. I actually agree with you too in LOI. Tests ab definitely is the way better player.
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Ofcourse he is? Ab I play at no 5 in my atg odi team?

1) Sachin
2) Gilchrist (WK)
3) Pointing/ Virat
4) Viv Richards
5) Ab de villers
^^ That's always my top 5?
 
kron said:
Agreed.
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Also before people get mad on pointing vs virat. I put pointing in my team over him 100%. Bigger player in cups, much much better odi captain.

Kohli being a better chaser and a better no 3 in bi laterals means nothing. I've seen pointing under pressure and kohli under pressure. Big big difference.

1) Gilchrist (wK)( He's a keeper and an opener so he gets here)
2) Sachin
3) Pointing (C)
4) Viv Richards
5) Ab De villers
6) Jack Kallis
7) Micheal Bevan (Underrated gem, Doesnt get the credit he deserves)
8) Imran Khan/Kapil Dev (Their allrounder capabilities put them here)
9) Shaun Pollock (Maybe a bit low to bat but he's gun with the ball this is one heck if a batting squad)
10) Warne/ Murli
11) Mcgrath

^^ This squad isn't perfect. Feel free to adjust it. Infact I change it every other week lol. Can't ever make up my mind 🤣
 
mominsaigol said:
Also before people get mad on pointing vs virat. I put pointing in my team over him 100%. Bigger player in cups, much much better odi captain.

Kohli being a better chaser and a better no 3 in bi laterals means nothing. I've seen pointing under pressure and kohli under pressure. Big big difference.

1) Gilchrist (wK)( He's a keeper and an opener so he gets here)
2) Sachin
3) Pointing (C)
4) Viv Richards
5) Ab De villers
6) Jack Kallis
7) Micheal Bevan (Underrated gem, Doesnt get the credit he deserves)
8) Imran Khan/Kapil Dev (Their allrounder capabilities put them here)
9) Shaun Pollock (Maybe a bit low to bat but he's gun with the ball this is one heck if a batting squad)
10) Warne/ Murli
11) Mcgrath

^^ This squad isn't perfect. Feel free to adjust it. Infact I change it every other week lol. Can't ever make up my mind 🤣
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Would have a bumrah or wasim over polly. Or Garner.
Rest are fine

Yes punter over virat in Loi but just remember ponting never had to face mcg
 
kron said:
Would have a bumrah or wasim over polly. Or Garner.
Rest are fine

Yes punter over virat in Loi but just remember ponting never had to face mcg
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Bumrah over Pollock but Pollock provides one heck of a strong tail? But yes I don't mind Bumrah ahead or Pollock.

As for pointing, he faxed mcgrath in List A multiple times. But yes he sucked against mcgrath, Mcgrath owned his International teammates in List A lol
 
Jaiswal is miles Ahead of saim Ayub .

Saim is a tulla player while jaiswal has the proper technique .

First innings duck at Perth against Australia but scored briliant unbeaten 90* in 2nd innings
 
Alot has to change in Pakistan crricket to produce competitive players. Some talent is there, but you need much more than that;

- Proper facilites like SENA countries and India have.
- Professional coaches ( batting, bowling, fielding, diet, education etc)
- Much higher salaries for the players
- A professional board
- Players with the right attitude, work ethics, hungry for more success.
 
One of the biggest thing i liked about Jaiswal is his temperament for long formats. That was missing in the recent series due to his focus on T20s. He played a lot of funky shots and gave his wicket away easily. Glad that he has done a reset.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Jaiswal is yet to play a single ODI lol That is the biggest mystery.
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Shows that India has so many good options.

Pakistan’s back up options were witnessed in the T20s against Australia and it was embarrassing to say the least.
 
gazza619 said:
Shows that India has so many good options.

Pakistan’s back up options were witnessed in the T20s against Australia and it was embarrassing to say the least.
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Yea India's LOI future is fairly secuture. But Test is where they are going to take time as test specialists like Pujara are few and far between. Everyone is trying to modify their game to suit T20. If i were a test player i would do the same as it is the easiest way to get an IPL gig.
 
gazza619 said:
Shows that India has so many good options.

Pakistan’s back up options were witnessed in the T20s against Australia and it was embarrassing to say the least.
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What backup options? Pakistan didn't try any?

Infact our backup options are for t20 only against Zimbabwe? Even in odi most of it is full strength?
 
I am a Jaiswal fan from now.

He has shown today that he can score runs vs quality pace attack away from home too and not just bash left arm spinners at home.
 
gazza619 said:
I was referring to Farhan, Haseeb & Usman.
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I wouldn't call them backup options.

Firstly farhan likely will be dropped and won't ever be recalled. For t20 the opening pair is Babar and rizwan and in the future is Sense prevails these 2 will be removed and the proper backup options, Fakhar and Saim will be made our t20 openers.

As for Haseeb, He's a parchi, He has no performances beyond that Shan masood fraud stat he's achieved in domestics. Just cause he keeps getting selected despite failing in a cup and actual batters have been ignored doesn't make him a backup.

Lastly for Usman Khan, Usman Khan has been medicore but he scored a 50 in one t20 game against aus in aus conditons. So he's showing promise.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Saim is a great talent.

T20 - Saim
Tests - Jaiswal
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What are saying? Jaiswal averages 36/165 in t20Is compared to 15/122 fr Saim. How in the world is Saim better? Jaiswal is probably better t20i player than any batsman produced by Pakistan
 
These kind of comparisons have only one outcome.

Indian batters will always outperform any upcoming Pakistani talent.

Sad but true.

We have seen dozens of comparison threads here.

Umar Akmal vs. Kohli
Ahmed Shehzad vs. Kohli
Umar Amin vs. Rohit Sharma
Haris Sohail vs. KL
Asad Shafiq vs. KL Rahul

And finally Pakistan’s best batsman:

Babar Azam vs. Kohli

Do you see the trend?

They are a batting powerhouse. They’ll always take the lead because of better coaching, culture and local competition.

Pakistan on the other hand often takes the lead when it comes to upcoming bowlers and their comparisons.

Saim Ayub has a lot to prove in ODIs and Tests.
 
Hawkeye said:
These kind of comparisons have only one outcome.

Indian batters will always outperform any upcoming Pakistani talent.

Sad but true.

We have seen dozens of comparison threads here.

Umar Akmal vs. Kohli
Ahmed Shehzad vs. Kohli
Umar Amin vs. Rohit Sharma
Haris Sohail vs. KL
Asad Shafiq vs. KL Rahul

And finally Pakistan’s best batsman:

Babar Azam vs. Kohli

Do you see the trend?

They are a batting powerhouse. They’ll always take the lead because of better coaching, culture and local competition.

Pakistan on the other hand often takes the lead when it comes to upcoming bowlers and their comparisons.

Saim Ayub has a lot to prove in ODIs and Tests.
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There has been one exception.

Babar Azam vs KL Rahul
 
These threads are just wrong. You should never compare talents early in their career like that.

Saim is a bright star for Pakistan. But comparisons have a tendency of feeling poorer. Don’t be fooled by such threads and support all young talent.
 
Comparisons, rather similarities start and end at just one point. Both are left handed openers.

Nothing else to compare right now.
 
I'll never understand the point of threads like these and why we feel the need to create these arbitrary comparisons between players.
 
Another genius thread which will haunt the OP for ages, the difference between talent and tailunt needs to be understood
 
I have said it before and I will say it again - Jaiswal is better than any left handed batsman in India/Pakistan history, let alone Saim Ayub. He is the real deal.
 
Kianig89 said:
Another genius thread which will haunt the OP for ages, the difference between talent and tailunt needs to be understood
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To be fair to op ,he created thread much before debut of jaiswal. Both were looking good in t20 leagues. He must have waited atleast 6 months to watch the trajectory of progress.
 
Century in first test in Australia. All his centuries are 150+ scores. Could have easily scored a double century today.
 
Lol one has scored a century against australia in australia and other one couldn't even score against legends of Zimbabwe.

This is a stupid thread and it should be deleted.

Saim is decent but he shouldn't be overhyped.
 
there is no comparison between these two... one plays with open eyes and another one preferes playing no look shots. lol
 
Nikhil_cric said:
His ability against good pace is a bit suspect for me. It doesn't get tested on extremely flat Pakistani wickets or against SL in Tests. Need to see him on Australian wickets later this year. Also looks a very nervous, anxious starter.

He made his under-19 debut for Pakistan at the age of "15" and continued playing U-19 for 3 years and took another year to make his FC debut and another 4.5 years later has only played 4 List A + 4 ODI's and he is in the World Cup squad?

Very strange progression. Prodigious 15 year are olds usually good ball strikers and take to white ball first.

Anyway, if he is picked as backup opener, it would be unfair to someone like Saim Ayub whose talent is obvious, has played more List A and has a better record in both List A and PSL/domestic T20 and even played Emerging Asia Cup etc.

Very strange selection imo.
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Saim Ayub has arrived, ladies and gentlemen. Like I said over a year ago, best Pakistani prospect since Babar.

Potentially, one of the greatest PAK batters in the future.

Dude is that good.
 
What’s the fastest hundreds for Pakistan as an opener?

Afridi scored his ton in 40ish balls against India, Saim might well be firm second position
 
Rana said:
What’s the fastest hundreds for Pakistan as an opener?

Afridi scored his ton in 40ish balls against India, Saim might well be firm second position
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He's 3rd.

Afridi scored fastest and 2nd festest
 
Rana said:
Afridi’s first ton was not as an opener I think, so as an opener he must be second?
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As an opener he's 2nd, Overall he's 3rd tied with afridi who also scored 100 of 53 against Bangladesh in 2010
 
Jaiswal is better until Ayub can prove his mettle in Tests.
 
Varun said:
Jaiswal is better until Ayub can prove his mettle in Tests.
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India hasn't started using next gen players in ODIs yet. Tilak, Abhishek, Sanju are all still mainly with T20 team. Once Rohit/Kohli retire the next gen players will come in. Gill is already there. Until they retire Jaiswal will also have to wait.
 
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