Not really, same is true for both.. Still talent that jaiswall possess will come to the fore and keep him going.
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I am worried about his other unknown talents.
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agreed!
Jaiswal is technically strong whereas Saim is more like a fluke who always try to be more stylish with his stupid no look shots.
dont know how the hell is this guy made it to the Pakistan cricket team.
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I knew this useless player will fail miserably right from his debut in the PSL.
No technique, no mental strength no nothing.
Hopefully good riddance soon.
Can’t wait for real players like Abdullah Shafiq, Saud Shakeel and Kamran Ghulam to succeed
No technique, no mental strength no nothing.
Hopefully good riddance soon.
Can’t wait for real players like Abdullah Shafiq, Saud Shakeel and Kamran Ghulam to succeed
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20 tests for both and then comparing makes sense. I recall one of them playing good knocks agasint Eng. I don't recall other playing many tests to start with.
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Saim Ayub 23 T20Is 15 sixes
Jaiswal in a 5 test series against England 26 sixes. Created world record for hitting most sixes in a series beating Rohit's 19 sixes in a Test series.
Jaiswal in a 5 test series against England 26 sixes. Created world record for hitting most sixes in a series beating Rohit's 19 sixes in a Test series.
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See what Saim Ayub's performance was against Bangladesh on home soil and what Yashasvi is doing against Bangladesh on home soil, and he is not done yet currently, he is batting 68* in the first innings of the 2nd Test.
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See what Saim Ayub's performance was against Bangladesh on home soil and what Yashasvi is doing against Bangladesh on home soil, and he is not done yet currently, he is batting 68* in the first innings of the 2nd Test.
Jaiswal is bullying Bangladesh right now.
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Jaiswal is next global batting superstar. Can't be said same about Saim Ayub
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I have said it before and I will say it again.
Jaiswal is the best left handed batsman in Pakistan/India history. He is better than Saeed Anwar, Ganguly, Dhawan, Yuvraj etc., so it is totally ridiculous to compare him to Saim Ayub, who is levels below him and always will be.
Jaiswal is the best left handed batsman in Pakistan/India history. He is better than Saeed Anwar, Ganguly, Dhawan, Yuvraj etc., so it is totally ridiculous to compare him to Saim Ayub, who is levels below him and always will be.
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He's no where close to any of the players you've mentioned.
He barely played any List A or Fc games and has stuck to t20 most of his life. He hasn't even made his Odi debut.
Atleast let him play for a good 5 to 6 years in all formats before automatically deciding.
Saeed Anwar has more centuries In odi then any Pakistani batter in history despite playing in a much harder batting era compared to Babar who's had the luxury of west indies × Nepal etc club bowling but still has not broken it. Has 11 test centuries with an avg of 45 in test and scored the most the highest odi score for that time period.
Dhawan won his country a CT 2013 cup and was a good icc tournament performer in general.
Ganguly + Dhawan + Saeed have also played all over the globe having multiple match winning innings to their name and records.
Jaiswal is an infant in his career both domestic and international wise. I remember when people where hyping up Gill claiming it would be his era when in reality Gill while good was rightfully axed from 2024 wc.
Let jaiswal actually play
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His second innings in second test was a gutsy one.on that mine field,he was the enforcer and set up the target quite straight forward.its equal to a 70 or 80 on any other normal sena pitch
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Jaiswal has showed in short time -
Impactful as Dhawan was in his debut series . He massacred England like Dhawan massacred Australia .
Key differences -
Jaiswal has six hitting ability of jayasurya
Big match temperament as Dhawan
Can accumulate like Saeed Anwar
Is as innovative and bold like pant .
In general , jaiswal will end his career as -
- highest number of sixes ( will surpass rohit )
- will captain all 3 formats
- will end close to 25000 plus runs across formats
- if bowling remains strong , will be part of t20 wc , odi wc and test championship winning squad .
Only thing he does not have is style . Does not look as pretty as Ganguly cover drive or sangakarra square cut . I will take substance over style
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Yes but he's hasn't even made an odi debut and hardly played fc.
Give it time before jumping to conclusions and saying he's > Saeed, Ganguly etc off the bat. Give it 5 years
He has played 26 first class match so far and scored almost 3000 runs
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It's still not a big sample size.
Don't get me wrong, he's massively talented and I'm sure if he plays for 5 years and longer he'll get that stauts.
But we can't just say he's > He just started bro? Don't you think it's too early to just state he's already > them?
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This comparison should already be over by now. 1 guy is smashing bowlers for fun and making records already while the other guy is over-hyped because eh can play a no-look shot that gets him out most of the time and has no performance in the international so far after playing many games.
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It is like Umar Akmal vs Kohli comparison again
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He has announced himself batting wise . No obvious technical error .
He has not debuted in indian odi team as one has to be patient to get into any indian team now . Rinku singh couldn’t play the t20 wc . If you look at domestics in India , players have to grind it out to get in .
Jaiswal is the real deal .
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In terms of ceiling, he is way better than all of them. Of course, if he has a career ending injury and something else bizarre happens, that is different. Therefore, I have no hesitation in putting him above all of them.
It is similar to how Pat Cummins debut was enough to realize that he was going to be a superior Test bowler than Brett Lee.
There is nothing that any of those players had that Jaiswal does not, but he has so much more.
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Theirs a difference. Not a single person on pat cummins debut in their right mind stated that he'd be superior in test cricket to Brett Lee.
That only happened after they actually saw him play for a long period of time and came to that conclusion.
People thought the exact same about multiple players on debut like Umar Akmal, Ahmed Shehzad, Shubman Gill, Gary Ballance etc but that flame withered away very very quickly. Shubman Gill who was thought to usher in a brand new era due to his 9 centuries in a single year quickly got booted from 2024 wc, had a horrible 2023 outing and while he's a good prospect it's clear he's not the generational Sachin superstar and will take time to blossom and is early in his career.
As for Gary, Shehzad and akmal they weren't ever good.
Yes Jaiswal is a great cricketer and I'm not denying that, But the players you mentioned all have massive achievements to their name while jaiswal barely has any fc, list A experience to begin with and hasn't even made an odi debut.
Pat cummins is > Brett Lee but people stated that once cummins established himself, No one looked at his impressive debut and automatically reached the conclusion that he'd be > Brett Lee as a test bowler.
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Wait?
Pat Cummins had a legendary debut actually. People saw him as the second coming of Dennis Lillee. Brett Lee was average in test cricket.
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Certain people did, but that always happens whenever anyone makes a rock solid debut.
Australia is the 2nd strongest cricketing nation in terms of resources and industry after bcci. Whoever makes a rock solid debut will understandably get hyped up to the moon just like Indian players whereas if it was a player from SA no one would bat an eyelash unless they made a mark by playing for 5 or more years.
Gary ballance, Ahmed Shehzad etc all these guys had the same so called legendary debuts. Youtube comments from 2010 on shehzad debut match highlights hilariously claimed that he'd be the greatest pakistani opener ever and that this guy was the real deal and is mighty talented to make a century on debut against an NZ attack in overseas conditons.
Then it all fell flat like a pancake.
Pat cummins is a legendary bowler, however qe can only claim this because he now has so many achievements to his name. But acting like you already knew he'd be a goat from one test game on his debut is laughable.
As I said, Let jaiswal actually play for 5 years before claiming he's > Saeed, Ganguly, Yuvi and every left handed batter in asia lol. Sabar sabar.
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I think in sports, sometimes you've got to let go of the data and trust your experience and instincts to make judgements. There's professionals who do that. American sport (NFL, NBA, MLB) drafts kids out of high school, college and forces teams to make decisions to select someone No.1 and pay them millions. There's a reason why they had LeBron James on the Sports Illustrated cover at the age of 17.
It's the same with Jaiswal. Every instinct I have from close to 40 years of watching cricket tell me I'm watching a future all-time great when I watch him bat. I can wait for years of proof to confirm this belief but my instincts don't need that proof.
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Are you 16? Cummins was earmarked for greatness since his debut match. There were huge disappointments when he initially got injured. Just about any commentator, player, or a sports journalist who has any sort of knowledge called him a future great.
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I missed the legendary debut of Ahmed Shehzad. What exactly did he do can you remind me.
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That's fine, and I don't mind your thinking.
For me I like to wait until a sample size is established. That doesn't mean a player has to play 20 years for me to make a judgment usually even 2 to 3 years is enough or heck maybe even 1 year at times.
But this guy hasn't even made an odi debut and has barely any list A and fc experience. Has played t20 most of his life and barely has any overseas international experience.
It's a massively bold claim to say with confidence that he'll be > the likes of saeed, Ganguly, Yuvi, Sanga or whoever comes his way when all these players have achieved while Jaiswal is just an infant atm with massive talent.
Longetivity + impact + memorable innings all these things count
For example Saeed Anwar, To this date not a single pakistani batter has more odi centuries then him despite the fact that he played in a much harder era and against top teams then the nepal and west indies club bowling Babar stat padded against. Similarly he has the highest odi score for his era which wasn't broken until years and years later and even then he still has the 2nd highest odi score achieved by a pakiatani batter.
Yuvi was MVP of an entire 2011 tournament. He's the true hero of that tournament considering sachin wasn't a factor in the final only a factor in semi final and group stages and yuvi overall was the best player that day + in the tournament in general.
I cam go on and on about ganguly and Sanga like how sanga has 4 back to back centuries against England, has one heck of a test record, 2nd highest odi run getter of all time etc etc.
Jaiswal is an infant and has nothing atm? No tournament victories or any thing noteworthy yet? He just started?
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Didn't he wcore a century in debut? If I'm wrong my bad, but I'm referring to his 2010 NZ game
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Amd yet these same commentators and sports journalists and ex players like Anil kumble claimed that rizwan was the top 3 best batsmen in the world after his sri lanka 131 which hilariously fell flat as the wc went on and rizzu wasn't even top 10 lol.
It means jack.
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It's not like there's no data to support instincts and they're just blind faith.
He's been outstanding at every age level. Was India's standout batter at U19 World Cup. Player of the Tournament
He's made 3000 FC runs at an average of 64.
Against the best bowlers in the word in the IPL, he average 32 with a strike rate of 150
Made a seamless transition to Tests where he's currently averaging 64
And then there's the evidence of my eyes when I see him bat.
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Sorry Jaiswal's FC average is 70. Stunning stuff really.
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Exactly this.
In a way it is an unfair comparison.
Jaiswal is in a country that places an emphasis on structure, system, technique and performance.
Saim is part of the Pakistan cricket system — little more needs to be said.
Compare their careers :
Jaiswal has played 24 first class games, scored nearly 3000 FC runs and played his first Test four years after his debut in first class cricket.
Saim has played 15 first class games, scored just over 1000 runs and played his first Test (against Australia, for goodness sake !!) one year after his first class debut.
England, Australia and India will leave the likes of Pakistan behind in the dust given their investment in infrastructure and professionalism.
The nebulous concept of “talent” is simply not enough.
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People who are afraid to speak their minds and have strong opinions like to sit on the fence and want to wait even if the evidence is right in front of their face.
Anyone with a decent understanding of cricket wouldn’t need to wait to conclude that Cummins > Lee, but then again, they only waited because they don’t be accused by others for jumping the gun but there is nothing wrong with that.
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Jaiswal is scoring only because he is getting more opportunities.
Saim will also score same number of runs if he gets same number of opportunities.
Saim will also score same number of runs if he gets same number of opportunities.
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Didn’t hype up gill . Gill is dravid style player and will play some solid knocks .jaiswal is higher ceiling .
Jaiswal is also from mumbai . Remember where Tendulkar , sharma came from ? He is right there in terms of talent .
Dont think he will ever play a Yuvraj style innings in white ball , but expect him to play more jayasurya style calculated risk batting with innovativeness but a Dhawan style flourish .
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When did I hype up Gill? Can you read?
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Jaiswal is scoring only because he is getting more opportunities.
Saim will also score same number of runs if he gets same number of opportunities.
Agreed.
Whoever has seem Saim’s flair knows that he’s a million dollar batsman
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Based on ability to play no look shot- Saim Ayub
On everything else- Jaiswal.
On everything else- Jaiswal.
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He is getting more opportunities because he is scoring runs. As you can see Indians lose their places immediately after a couple of failures. Sometimes without bad performance they lose their place.Jaiswal is scoring only because he is getting more opportunities.
Saim will also score same number of runs if he gets same number of opportunities.
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But Jaiswal has made himself undroppable.
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Saim Ayub is also a better bowler
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Ok, never seen him bowl, but will give you that.
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On a serious note, Saim is an excellent talent however unfair to compare him with Jaiswal. I rate him but only in white ball. He doesn’t seem like a 3 format player to me. He will be a white ball specialist.
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Saim can become a serious bowler if he keeps bowling regularly, the talent is there an just need bucket loads of overs in real matches.
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His white ball game can improve but I don't see him doing any better in Red ball. Jaiswal is a multi-dimentional player and he can play all-formats easily unlike Saim.
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We have Huraira for red ball format as he can do the job of getting out caught behind in the first 5 overs of a test match on a consistent basis.
On a serious note, Saim can become more than handy player for us in white ball game, He is not a bad 6 bowling option as of now in both T20 and ODI format.
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As compared to Jaiswal, Saim looks like a tail-ender no matter the format. I hope saim can learn how to be a good player with solid temperament, he is a generational talent but is just too careless.
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Saim is not even comparable to Umar Akmal and Ahmed Shehzad in raw talent terms. But then even Rizwan is not talented as Shehzad and Akmal but achieved much more than them.
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Talent is overrated in international cricket, If you can play on both sides of the wicket and can handle pace, bounce and some spin as well and either can play in the gaps or can play attacking boundary hitting shots then you are enough talented to be in the national side , from there it's all hard work and determination which result in how much a player achieves in his career.
But sadly, we are not getting even basic level of batting talent which can fulfil the abovementioned criteria.
But sadly, we are not getting even basic level of batting talent which can fulfil the abovementioned criteria.
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Jaiswal is a pedigree player.Saim can probably be compared with Alick Athanze who is yet to realize his full potential. He was the highest run getter in 2016 or 2018 U19 world cup
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Ayub is not even 1% of Jaiswal.
He can't even make teams like Zimbabwe, Bangladesh or even Ireland.
His presence in team shows us current standard of Pakistan team
He can't even make teams like Zimbabwe, Bangladesh or even Ireland.
His presence in team shows us current standard of Pakistan team
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Our pitches were far more spicier .don't insult jaiswal.bowlers were wood,Anderson etc and he breached 700 runs mark in the series
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Decent start for Pakistan.So far England got nothing out of the surface.
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Ian ward calls it right. Pitch has become whiter now.
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Why not compare Jaiswal to an actual proper left handed opener? Travis head?
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Travis Head isn't opener in tests.. Plus he is 9 years elder to Yashaswi.. have some brain salty.
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He will open in test now that the Smith experiment is over as is shpuld be.
Secondly age means nothing, A so called future atg who's been hyped up as being already greater then ganguly, Anwar and others despite not even having an odi debut and barely having played test, fc and list A games should have no issue being compared to an actual non fraud Aussie opener
Here comes the Travis head in the discussion although this is saim and jaiswal threads .
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I apologise. Genuinely I do. I will respect the Integrity of this thread, even though it's a troll thread and you lot are too afraid to compare jaiswal to actual Class.Here comes the Travis head in the discussion although this is saim and jaiswal threads .
You feel the need to validate yourself by comparing him to rubbish.
It's like if I made a Josh Inglis vs Azam Khan thread and claimed inglis is an atg and gilchrist level because azam khan makes him look like gilchrist.
We all know it's a total sham.
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Here's the comparison:
Travis Head in T20Is --> average of 33, SR 160
Jaiswal in T20Is --> Average of 36, SR 164
Jaiswal also has a 100 to his name, while Head has none. Both have 5 50s, each. Despite Jaiswal playing fewer matches compared to Head.
Happy?
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I've argued this to death and won. Score a century in your country against the world's best bowling attack in their own den in a world cup final amd cause them to evacuate the stadium 2 hrs before the game concludes and then we'll talk
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You remember someone called Mike Valetta who knocked out Pakistan from the 1987 World Cup in Pakistan?
Yeah, neither do I!
Yeah, neither do I!
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You remember someone named Travis head who wiped Indian crowd from the face of the earth 2 hrs before the final concluded?
Ya neither do i
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Different format, different game.
Jaiswal hasn't played ODIs yet.
In a direct comparison, in T20s, Jaiswal trumps Head, despite being 9 years younger. How's them apples, then?
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Exactly, which is why he needs to learn his place in the pecking order
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Which pecking order?
The one where he has a much superior record despite playing 15 less games?
And happens to be 9 years younger as well?
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Another thread, you brought up an Australian and then you get angry, when others point it out.
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He has a superior record because he's played on easier pitches, hasn't travelled the world, hasn't played around the world, hasn't played a cup because he was rightfully booted by rohit and kohli since the very next game he played he lost the game to a minnow team
.Compare that to travis head whos ranked no 1 in the world and owns the pecking order.
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Because this thread is a troll and massive one. You're comparing rubbish to someone who will obviously have a luxury career but will always remain behind Travis in the pecking order
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It isn't a troll thread. Rana had started it and some Pakistanis and one wannbe had even argued that Saim was better
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Brother rana started it when their was no data on either of these 2.
However now that data exists the case shpuld be closed and done and dusted. Not bumped into oblivion anytime saim fails and jaiswal scores.
This thread needs a sequel, Jaiswal vs Travis and I'm probs gonna create one
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Yes, you want to troll another Indian player.
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Travis head has been playing internationals for 8 years. After few years of struggle he hit a purple patch. He is only 4 years younger than Kohli. Jaiswal is just starting his career.
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Australia > India >>>>>>>>> Pakistan historically. So yes, I'd say both of us are on the same page.
But ik some people who will argue otherwise and put jaiswal >
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And yet people are putting him > Anwar, Ganguly, Yuvi right off thr bat with zero achievements.
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gap between India and Pakistan isn't that big historically.
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