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Yashasvi Jaiswal versus Saim Ayub

Mesozoic said:
Wrong again...

Saim Ayub has played PSL, CPL, GLT20 Canada and the Bangladesh Premier League alongside international cricket.

Please just stop.
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What stop?

I meant international cricket. Jaiswal has had more exposure.

Franchise leagues are not same as international cricket.
 
sweep_shot said:
What stop?

I meant international cricket. Jaiswal has had more exposure.

Franchise leagues are not same as international cricket.
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"Around for a while" - Wrong

"More exposure" - Wrong

"More international cricket" - barely 10 more games..


More goalpost shifting than actual concrete arguments..gets boring after a while that's all.
 
Itachi said:
Just check how much international match Jaiswal has played then?
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Jaiswal has played more international games. That's my point.

Anyway, both are new. So, this comparison is currently pointless. Maybe they can be compared one year later.
 
Ayub is talented but rn he is failing in the bpl while jaiswal scored a double, while our entire batting line up did squat.
No comparison currently
 
Jaiswal is a GOAT level talent. And he will have the hunger because of how he has come up in life, so excited for him. Gill and others will never have the drive of Jaiswal.
 
Just heard Atherton saying that Jaiswal came to Mumbai from some small place to play cricket and lived in a tent for some time. He also sold street food to survive while learning to bat in Mumbai. I did not know this earlier.

It's surely rags to riches story.
 
Yashasvi jaiswal has looked excellent and he is already scoring runs in test cricket the real format. I don't understand why he is not hyped much( maybe he is hyped I don't know)

On the other hand I don't know what to make of saim Ayub yet. He looks alright but he is overhyped with very little substance and he has failed in international cricket so far. Hopefully he comes good in international cricket and serve Pakistan cricket for long time.
 
Buffet said:
Just heard Atherton saying that Jaiswal came to Mumbai from some small place to play cricket and lived in a tent for some time. He also sold street food to survive while learning to bat in Mumbai. I did not know this earlier.

It's surely rags to riches story.
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Hard to more rags than a tween living alone in Mumbai on his own without any support.

He is a tough boy.
 
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Right now there is no comparison to be had. Jaiswal is so well ahead of Saim in every format that it is not even funny. He has had two match winning innings in Tests, averages way more, and simply looks much better than Saim. His first-class average is way higher, has high number of 100s, and also looks so much better than Saim which looks pretty mediocre for someone who is hyped up so much. Even in T20s Jaiswal is pretty ahead. Even though Saim is supposed to be more destructive, his strike rate and average are lesser than Jaiswal. So any comparision to Saim is unfair to Saim

But things can change. Gill has regressed, Iyer has not lived up to his potential even against spin, etc. So may be in future Saim will do better. But my money is fully on Jaiswal
 
After Babar Azam Pakistan has not produced anyone that can make your head turn. This guy had some good outings in CPL. They hyped so much on social media even Vaughan bought into it and tweeted about him. Rahul vs Babar is legit comparison because both played against each other in under-19 world cup.
 
Buffet said:
Just heard Atherton saying that Jaiswal came to Mumbai from some small place to play cricket and lived in a tent for some time. He also sold street food to survive while learning to bat in Mumbai. I did not know this earlier.

It's surely rags to riches story.
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Somehow incorrect stories spread fast. :)
Yashasvi was living with some relative or coach in Mumbai. During the day, he stayed in a tent near the ground to avoid commuting separately for morning and evening practices. Also, he was not a street food vendor. He became friends with some vendors and he just looked after their stalls when those guys went on breaks.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
After Babar Azam Pakistan has not produced anyone that can make your head turn. This guy had some good outings in CPL. They hyped so much on social media even Vaughan bought into it and tweeted about him. Rahul vs Babar is legit comparison because both played against each other in under-19 world cup.
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I still Saim Ayub is a wonderful talent; Don't want to compare him with Babar. Hoping to see Saim playing some good cricket in the coming years.
 
ChennaiFan said:
Somehow incorrect stories spread fast. :)
Yashasvi was living with some relative or coach in Mumbai. During the day, he stayed in a tent near the ground to avoid commuting separately for morning and evening practices. Also, he was not a street food vendor. He became friends with some vendors and he just looked after their stalls when those guys went on breaks.
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Bro watch this ,everything was correct.

 
ChennaiFan said:
Somehow incorrect stories spread fast. :)
Yashasvi was living with some relative or coach in Mumbai. During the day, he stayed in a tent near the ground to avoid commuting separately for morning and evening practices. Also, he was not a street food vendor. He became friends with some vendors and he just looked after their stalls when those guys went on breaks.
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Where did you hear this story. This is not true.
 
Jaiswal has started with a bang and already has a hundred in t20s and 200 in Test cricket. Saim cannot be compared with him because he is yet to find his spot in the team. He is not a permanent member like Jaiswal is.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Where did you hear this story. This is not true.
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I watched his coach's interview where he refuted the claims of Jaiswal selling street food and explained when and why he stayed in the tents. But the video posted by @Vikram1989 above shows a different take. So, I am not clear what and who is right.
 
ChennaiFan said:
I watched his coach's interview where he refuted the claims of Jaiswal selling street food and explained when and why he stayed in the tents. But the video posted by @Vikram1989 above shows a different take. So, I am not clear what and who is right.
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A lot of these stories are exaggerated. Cricket is an expensive sport. Not for people who has to sell street food for a living !
 
Think of how much money you have to spend on cricket kit - bat, pads, thigh guards, helmet , gloves. Do you really think some street food seller can afford all that ?

The only rags to riches stories inc ricket are fast bowlers coz they just need a ball. That's why so many great fast bowlers come from humble backgrounds like coal mines of Yorkshire, sugar plantations of West Indies, farming families of India / Pakistan, But rarely you see batsmen from such poverty & hardship

Football, athletics , hockey , wrestling boxing - u will find many genuine rags to riches stories as these don't need expensive gear & facilities. Not in sports like cricket (batting) , tennis, golf !
 
NishanKonar said:
Both came from fairly decent middle class backgrounds. These guys just exaggerate their struggles to enhance their legacy
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They both were living off Rs 500 per month salaries when trying to vie for spots in the PIA team. They also had to stay cramped in a very small room in KHI in a location which was a dangerous MQM hot spot in 1993, both have confirmed their struggles. Shoaib ran away from home and had to rely on the hospitality of a reri walla, he searched and found this reri walla when he had become a star in 1999.
 
Savak said:
They both were living off Rs 500 per month salaries when trying to vie for spots in the PIA team. They also had to stay cramped in a very small room in KHI in a location which was a dangerous MQM hot spot in 1993, both have confirmed their struggles. Shoaib ran away from home and had to rely on the hospitality of a reri walla, he searched and found this reri walla when he had become a star in 1999.
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I am pretty sure if you investigate into their family background - you will find these stories are exaggerated.

And if you followed Shoaib Akhtar over the years - you will know his capacity to exaggerate is extraordinary. He once claimed he was injured in that 2003 WC game against India when he was actually clocking 150 kph. Just read his autobiography - even you will laugh at his level of delusions !

Cricket is too expensive for people born in poverty. There are exceptions like Munaf Patel but they are very rare. Most of these rags to riches stories are just hype stories
 
ChennaiFan said:
I watched his coach's interview where he refuted the claims of Jaiswal selling street food and explained when and why he stayed in the tents. But the video posted by @Vikram1989 above shows a different take. So, I am not clear what and who is right.
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I am following Jaiswal from his under 19 days after bishop marking him for the future.May be before his fame everything was in open but now due to pr somethings must be getting diluted like Hardiks background is completely swept in the carpet to look cool.
 
NishanKonar said:
Think of how much money you have to spend on cricket kit - bat, pads, thigh guards, helmet , gloves. Do you really think some street food seller can afford all that ?

The only rags to riches stories inc ricket are fast bowlers coz they just need a ball. That's why so many great fast bowlers come from humble backgrounds like coal mines of Yorkshire, sugar plantations of West Indies, farming families of India / Pakistan, But rarely you see batsmen from such poverty & hardship

Football, athletics , hockey , wrestling boxing - u will find many genuine rags to riches stories as these don't need expensive gear & facilities. Not in sports like cricket (batting) , tennis, golf !
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Are you telling Jaiswal is lying? I mean come on. Lot of villagers with not much income have a good bat. You get bats in diferent price range. You get second hand. you get auctioned bat. You can have someone pay for you if they see potential in you. Cricket is not an expensive game whether you are a batsman or bowler. Vast majority of the cricketers are from the middle class background. Some lower middle class.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Are you telling Jaiswal is lying? I mean come on. Lot of villagers with not much income have a good bat. You get bats in diferent price range. You get second hand. you get auctioned bat. You can have someone pay for you if they see potential in you. Cricket is not an expensive game whether you are a batsman or bowler. Vast majority of the cricketers are from the middle class background. Some lower middle class.
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No they dont. U rarely see any Indian cricketer from a poor rural background. The ones who do come from fairly decent backgrounds. Like Shami , Umesh Yadav, Harbhajan, Irfan Pathan. None of them were really poor

Like I said Indians & Pakistanis love exaggerating their past to make it sound like they overcome immense odds to reach where they are. Its not just cricketers - u see this with Bollywood stars, CEOs, entrepreneurs

I remember the US Surgeon general named Vivek Murthy once claimed that his grandfather was a farmer. In reality his grandfather owned a sugar mill !

Or like Satya Nadella once said he came from humble middle class background when his father was actually a senior bureaucrat in Hyderabad

Not saying Jaiswal is born wealthy but I seriously doubt he was as poor as he claims ( like living in tent & selling panipuri )
 
NishanKonar said:
No they dont. U rarely see any Indian cricketer from a poor rural background. The ones who do come from fairly decent backgrounds. Like Shami , Umesh Yadav, Harbhajan, Irfan Pathan. None of them were really poor

Like I said Indians & Pakistanis love exaggerating their past to make it sound like they overcome immense odds to reach where they are. Its not just cricketers - u see this with Bollywood stars, CEOs, entrepreneurs

I remember the US Surgeon general named Vivek Murthy once claimed that his grandfather was a farmer. In reality his grandfather owned a sugar mill !

Or like Satya Nadella once said he came from humble middle class background when his father was actually a senior bureaucrat in Hyderabad

Not saying Jaiswal is born wealthy but I seriously doubt he was as poor as he claims ( like living in tent & selling panipuri )
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He probably was not very poor. But he was definitely lower middle class or average family. But it is not easy to motivate yourself to get to that stage. We shouldn't assume he was begging in streets. Definitely below average than vast majority of the cricketers.
 
NishanKonar said:
I am pretty sure if you investigate into their family background - you will find these stories are exaggerated.

And if you followed Shoaib Akhtar over the years - you will know his capacity to exaggerate is extraordinary. He once claimed he was injured in that 2003 WC game against India when he was actually clocking 150 kph. Just read his autobiography - even you will laugh at his level of delusions !

Cricket is too expensive for people born in poverty. There are exceptions like Munaf Patel but they are very rare. Most of these rags to riches stories are just hype stories
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i don't know where you are from but i played cricket for a long time in 90s and was on the verge of under 16 state side selection for karnataka. There are multiple avenues to get all your kits and needs taken care. in my batch there were several who were from local villages and they had their kits given to them free by the clubs. they also had a place to stay for free. I know several players who were on the fringes and few who played for Karnataka and TN who were dirt poor and had all their needs taken care either by the clubs or other people. During my stint in a selection camps there were couple of fast bowlers who played for AP and Kerala were so poor they needed to even everyday cloths to be arranged for them. Someone or other always helped.

There are also lots of past players who give away their kits routines. Dravid, Srinath, Prasad, Sujit Somasundar, Dodda Ganesh, Vinay Kumar, are few players i have personally seen taking interest in lots of underprivileged players and donating kits, dresses and etc. There was a decently good medium pacer who later played for kerala who was from very poor background. I remember Srinath gifted him kits, had him setup in a hostel in BLR and bought him a bus pass for travel. these were in 2000s when there was not as much as now. There are more people involved in supporting them now.

Apart from that there are lots of fans and supporters who help out. Lions club members (not the club itself) in Mysore used to raise funds for kids playing sports. I personally was involved in raising money for cricket, tennis and golf. The local cricket associations and clubs also contribute..

Lots of people born to third world poverty can pick up and play cricket, especially if they are good.
 
Jaiswal has proved his worth in international cricket while Saim Ayub is still struggling to secure his spot in the playing XI. So I think it's too early to compare the two.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Jaiswal has proved his worth in international cricket while Saim Ayub is still struggling to secure his spot in the playing XI. So I think it's too early to compare the two.
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Never too early. There are galaxies between the two.

Jaiswal is already better than players like Saeed Anwar, Ganguly, Dhawan etc., Ayub is nowhere near that league.
 
Ali Active said:
lol comparing him to saeed anwar is wild
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Not reasonable to compare due to the short career so far, but here are interesting stats.

Anwar had 3 150+ scores in test cricket in his entire career. Jaiswal has 3 150+ already.
Anwar had 4052 runs in the test. Jaiswal has 861 runs so far.

I don't think they should be compared for now but Jaiswal seems a phenomenal opener with a big hunger for Daddy tons.
 
Not surprised with Jaiswal feats. Throughout their cricketing history, India has always produced quality batters with solid technique and temperament.
 
Jaiswal and Sarfraz are classic examples of how first class system works. Both scored boat load of runs. Guys like Dravid, Laxman, Pujara scored runs massively in domestic. Iyer also did well in first class and did well in Tests briefly. This T20 leagues have really messed up the selection criteria.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Jaiswal and Sarfraz are classic examples of how first class system works. Both scored boat load of runs. Guys like Dravid, Laxman, Pujara scored runs massively in domestic. Iyer also did well in first class and did well in Tests briefly. This T20 leagues have really messed up the selection criteria.
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not sure who you consider players picked for tests only based on T20 leagues.. May be Paitdar, but he is not such a big start in IPL. Most others have solid FC experience. Even stars like Ashwin, Jadeja, Bumrah, Pant, etc who were all originally got their fame in IPL still have solid FC records. Their FC records are good enough to be the reason for their selections to Test team. Even some other IPL stars like Rinku Singh, even Surya have pretty decent FC records. Very few Indian test selections are based on IPL performances. Some of these pretty solid FC players just also happen to be good in IPL.
 
SportsWarrior said:
not sure who you consider players picked for tests only based on T20 leagues.. May be Paitdar, but he is not such a big start in IPL. Most others have solid FC experience. Even stars like Ashwin, Jadeja, Bumrah, Pant, etc who were all originally got their fame in IPL still have solid FC records. Their FC records are good enough to be the reason for their selections to Test team. Even some other IPL stars like Rinku Singh, even Surya have pretty decent FC records. Very few Indian test selections are based on IPL performances. Some of these pretty solid FC players just also happen to be good in IPL.
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SKY is a pure IPL selection for both ODIs and Tests. Not just talking about India. Talking about Pakistan who backed Haris Rauf for tests and introduced this Saim into tests with hardly any experience.
 
I don't know why compare with Pakistan players. No one can be more talented then a Pakistani as Pakistan mein talent bohot hai.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
SKY is a pure IPL selection for both ODIs and Tests. Not just talking about India. Talking about Pakistan who backed Haris Rauf for tests and introduced this Saim into tests with hardly any experience.
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Yes, he got his fame in IPL but he is not a poor FC player. He is still first choice player for Mumbai. You can’t blame team management for backing someone in ODI who succeeded spectacularly in T20is. Even in tests he got one test. I wouldn’t find too much fault.

About Pakistan I agree. They tend to weigh T20 success heavily for their selection. But Pak selection has always been like that. Someone sees some spark in a player and they get fast tracked. Just where that spark has seen has changed to PSL. Pak supporters are too proud to admit that the quality of PSL is average. Performance there means nothing much in internationals. Hardly any good international players participate in PSL. they are better off supporting their FC stalwarts
 
SportsWarrior said:
Yes, he got his fame in IPL but he is not a poor FC player. He is still first choice player for Mumbai. You can’t blame team management for backing someone in ODI who succeeded spectacularly in T20is. Even in tests he got one test. I wouldn’t find too much fault.

About Pakistan I agree. They tend to weigh T20 success heavily for their selection. But Pak selection has always been like that. Someone sees some spark in a player and they get fast tracked. Just where that spark has seen has changed to PSL. Pak supporters are too proud to admit that the quality of PSL is average. Performance there means nothing much in internationals. Hardly any good international players participate in PSL. they are better off supporting their FC stalwarts
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You are spot on.

For every Suryakumar Yadav, there's a Mukesh Kumar, who got backing in T20Is despite failing in the IPL (had ER of over 10). T20 league hype isn't an issue. The obsession of making every player an all format player is. Ollie Robinson has played 18 tests and averages 22. If he was an Indian, he would have definitely been drafted into the white ball teams.
 
SportsWarrior said:
Yes, he got his fame in IPL but he is not a poor FC player. He is still first choice player for Mumbai. You can’t blame team management for backing someone in ODI who succeeded spectacularly in T20is. Even in tests he got one test. I wouldn’t find too much fault.

About Pakistan I agree. They tend to weigh T20 success heavily for their selection. But Pak selection has always been like that. Someone sees some spark in a player and they get fast tracked. Just where that spark has seen has changed to PSL. Pak supporters are too proud to admit that the quality of PSL is average. Performance there means nothing much in internationals. Hardly any good international players participate in PSL. they are better off supporting their FC stalwarts
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For years Sarfraz's non-selection was attributed to his lack of success in the IPL. I think they are doing the same with Ryan Paragh. For some guys scoring quick runs in 20 odd balls they face is not going to be easy. Even Sachin was not exactly a great T20 batsman for whatever time he played. Some players take a while to get going. By the same token they pick players based on T20 runs. SKY is not even a good List A player let alone First class player. So his selection for tests should have never crossed their mind.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
For years Sarfraz's non-selection was attributed to his lack of success in the IPL. I think they are doing the same with Ryan Paragh. For some guys scoring quick runs in 20 odd balls they face is not going to be easy. Even Sachin was not exactly a great T20 batsman for whatever time he played. Some players take a while to get going. By the same token they pick players based on T20 runs. SKY is not even a good List A player let alone First class player. So his selection for tests should have never crossed their mind.
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Sarfraz non selection was due to him being branded as having issues against pace. I have seen couple of Ranji matches where he has played. He certainly look hurried against good pace. He doesn't look very bad but doesn't look very good either. He has not been tested well. Lets see. His reputation in Mumbai is very similar to that of Iyer. Very good against Spin, and average against pace. That is what was holding him back. That and Rahul Dravid's preference to KL.

Taking a step back, my overall point was that most of India's test selections are based on First class performances. It just so happens that many of these FC successes are also IPL successes. Moreover if the successful FC players are able to face international players in high pressure situations in IPL and succeed shouldn't that be one of the reasons for their selection? If there are two good FC players with similar success in FC and one of them has faced international bowlers in IPL and succeeded, then it is a point in their favor. Not sure why a selector would ignore it.

Even in the current team, much maligned Mukesh Kumar and Akash Deep have excellent FC records. So their selection cannot be doubted. and both have had bang average IPL but still made it into Indian team. IPL played no role in their selection. In the current team there are many who are not IPL stalwarts like Mukesh, Aaksh, Siraj (he had one good IPL season, otherwise bang average), Jurel, Sarfarz. Even Gill when he made is test debut, he was bang average IPL player.

So IPL does play a role, as it should, but majority of the players also have very good FC records before they make it into Indian Test team.
 
SportsWarrior said:
Sarfraz non selection was due to him being branded as having issues against pace. I have seen couple of Ranji matches where he has played. He certainly look hurried against good pace. He doesn't look very bad but doesn't look very good either. He has not been tested well. Lets see. His reputation in Mumbai is very similar to that of Iyer. Very good against Spin, and average against pace. That is what was holding him back. That and Rahul Dravid's preference to KL.

Taking a step back, my overall point was that most of India's test selections are based on First class performances. It just so happens that many of these FC successes are also IPL successes. Moreover if the successful FC players are able to face international players in high pressure situations in IPL and succeed shouldn't that be one of the reasons for their selection? If there are two good FC players with similar success in FC and one of them has faced international bowlers in IPL and succeeded, then it is a point in their favor. Not sure why a selector would ignore it.

Even in the current team, much maligned Mukesh Kumar and Akash Deep have excellent FC records. So their selection cannot be doubted. and both have had bang average IPL but still made it into Indian team. IPL played no role in their selection. In the current team there are many who are not IPL stalwarts like Mukesh, Aaksh, Siraj (he had one good IPL season, otherwise bang average), Jurel, Sarfarz. Even Gill when he made is test debut, he was bang average IPL player.

So IPL does play a role, as it should, but majority of the players also have very good FC records before they make it into Indian Test team.
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T20 requirement is completely different. There should be zero weightage for test selection. Playing out sessions, seeing off bowlers, capitalizing on tired bowlers, rotating strike, batting for long periods lot of nuances are associated with test batting skills. None of this Tested in T20. You often go to creaser with no slip in place. Often the bowlers don't bowl test match length there. IPL should be used only for T20 in exceptional cases ODIs. Definitely not Tests.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
T20 requirement is completely different. There should be zero weightage for test selection. Playing out sessions, seeing off bowlers, capitalizing on tired bowlers, rotating strike, batting for long periods lot of nuances are associated with test batting skills. None of this Tested in T20. You often go to creaser with no slip in place. Often the bowlers don't bowl test match length there. IPL should be used only for T20 in exceptional cases ODIs. Definitely not Tests.
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Batting under pressure, ability to play high class fast bowling, ability to hold line and length when attacked (like what England does in bazball), accurate bowling, are all tested in T20 and are relevant in test matches.
 
Energy said:
This thread is reminiscent of Akmal v Kohli.

Watch the gulf between these two explode with every passing year.
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Looked at Saim after going through this thread. He does have good eye hand co-ordination but doesn't have the consistency. I doubt he will be a big success in internationals. But very early days for both. We saw how KL went down in all formats and Gill struggles. So Jaiswal may struggle and Saim may come up. BUt i doubt it..
 
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Batting under pressure, ability to play high class fast bowling, ability to hold line and length when attacked (like what England does in bazball), accurate bowling, are all tested in T20 and are relevant in test matches.
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Those pressure generally applied over a period of 20 balls. It tells you nothing. With field spread guys like Shivam Dube can smash bowlers without moving the feet. Put him in Tests. He will be clueless even if you have everyone inside the circle.
 
The way jaiswal is playing these days this comparision is not valid.
Unreal temperament for such a young player.
 
Yashashwi is for real. I hope he stays devoted to the game, stays humble and then could really be the next biggest star after Kohli.
 
Pakistan has no counterparts from 2020 Under-19 batch just like Babar/KL Rahul same batch. Rohail Nazir was the last under-19 batsman that received some hype if i am right.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Those pressure generally applied over a period of 20 balls. It tells you nothing. With field spread guys like Shivam Dube can smash bowlers without moving the feet. Put him in Tests. He will be clueless even if you have everyone inside the circle.
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You dismissed Dube as a IPL batter but he is one of top batters in Ranji.
 
IMO the big problem with Pakistan batters is that they can’t stay humble, keep their head down and work hard on the game. The moment they start getting hyped up, they lose their way.
 
Saim Ayub needs to learn some proper cricketing shots. Those no look shots wont help much in the long run if the basics are so weak
 
Jaiswal cover drive reminds me of klusener's drive against Fleming in 99 odi semis.There is nothing left hander elegance about it but a pure cold blooded rage and intent. I think he hits a cover drive more powerfully than Hayden. Even Hayden have not played cover drive with such intense hate towards the ball.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Those pressure generally applied over a period of 20 balls. It tells you nothing. With field spread guys like Shivam Dube can smash bowlers without moving the feet. Put him in Tests. He will be clueless even if you have everyone inside the circle.
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Yes, but it still need to be handled. And Dube is actually one of the successful Ranaji players

Any funny thing is if the test is such a different and difficult format, you would expect the top test players to be automatically very good in T20. Generally speaking more players whose skill are better suited for T20 have cracked tests than the other way around.

I love all formats. Every format slightly different skills. My point is that the Indian team test selection is mostly based on first class experience and performance along with India A tour performance. That still holds.
 
Vikram1989 said:
Jaiswal cover drive reminds me of klusener's drive against Fleming in 99 odi semis.There is nothing left hander elegance about it but a pure cold blooded rage and intent. I think he hits a cover drive more powerfully than Hayden. Even Hayden have not played cover drive with such intense hate towards the ball.
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Hiscover drive is more like Brian Lara.
 
Vikram1989 said:
Jaiswal cover drive reminds me of klusener's drive against Fleming in 99 odi semis.There is nothing left hander elegance about it but a pure cold blooded rage and intent. I think he hits a cover drive more powerfully than Hayden. Even Hayden have not played cover drive with such intense hate towards the ball.
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I quite agree.

Jaiswal may be one of least elegant left handed batters I have seen(out of successfull ones).

He has force and intensity behind his shots that is machanical in execution. I bet he does more gym strength training along with more batting training than any Indian batter.
 
Jaiswal is leagues above already an established international player going to be a star. Ayub needs to take a leaf out of Jaiswal’s book
 
JattMaula said:
I quite agree.

Jaiswal may be one of least elegant left handed batters I have seen(out of successfull ones).

He has force and intensity behind his shots that is machanical in execution. I bet he does more gym strength training along with more batting training than any Indian batter.
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In an ipl interview, When rohit was interviewing him about his sudden power hitting jaiswal gave the same answer to rohit . He begged rohit to pick him in wc team.
 
On one side, Saim Ayub is failing to be a consistent performer, and on the other side, Yashasvi Jaiswal is breaking records one after another.
 
FearlessRoar said:
On one side, Saim Ayub is failing to be a consistent performer, and on the other side, Yashasvi Jaiswal is breaking records one after another.
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Even T20 international batting performances are forgettable given how the format heavily favors the batsmen. Although Jaiswal has insane record in T20 as well he will be receive accolades for his Test performances.
 
charlie007 said:
Saim is the new superstar in the making. He has a better range of shots and overall more talented which matters the most. Jaiswal will do well to take note of that and learn from Saim.
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Especially no look shot to get out,headless chicken shots against express pace are pretty impressive
 
Cricket Warrior said:
both are very talented but Saim has better range of shots compare to jaiswal which makes him a better pick in white ball cricket.
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charlie007 said:
Saim is the new superstar in the making. He has a better range of shots and overall more talented which matters the most. Jaiswal will do well to take note of that and learn from Saim.
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Looking at data, Jaiswal has better numbers in T20I and T20 leagues. ODI's cannot be taken into account as Jaiswal does not play ODI.

In tests there is an ocean's gap between the two. Even though Jaiswal has only played 7 more tests.

Both need more time for a better comparison. Should come back in a year's time to see where they stand.
 
Vikram1989 said:
Especially no look shot to get out,headless chicken shots against express pace are pretty impressive
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It’s all about talent and potential. Jaiswal lucked out, but Saim might have become a triple centurian against this English attack on these featherbeds. In PSL he scores against the best bowlers on the planet.
 
charlie007 said:
It’s all about talent and potential. Jaiswal lucked out, but Saim might have become a triple centurian against this English attack on these featherbeds. In PSL he scores against the best bowlers on the planet.
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By mistake I was assuming starc,rabada,Henry, wood,Nortge,Bumrah etc are the best express pace bowlers .Sincere apologies bro.
 
Saim may have more range of shots but it is of no use if you have no performances to back it up. Jaiswal has been phenomenal so far and leading the way for me. Way ahead of Saim atm.
 
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