Yashasvi Jaiswal versus Saim Ayub

[Vikram1989]

Come on bro, understand sarcasm

Sry bro I really took u as another subcontinent passionate fan with out logic

 

[BouncerGuy]

Saim may have more range of shots but it is of no use if you have no performances to back it up. Jaiswal has been phenomenal so far and leading the way for me. Way ahead of Saim atm.

 

[WengerOut]

So after "talent", "range of shots" is the new unquantifiable thing with which Pakistani players are put on a higher pedal.

 

[Vikram1989]

I think after some time, it will be bat gravitational force,momentum and Shrodinger's equation etc.As lawyers will say "if u don't have point to argue make noise "

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Have you seen Jaiswal's performances in T20 cricket? There is literally no aspect of batting at which Ayub is better than him. None.

for now i am only talking about single aspect which is a shot selection in which saim is obviuosly better than him but yeah they both havent played much T20I cricket so cant really compare for now.

 

[Ab Fan]

Nobody plays the French cut better than Saim Ayub hence he is better than Yashasvi Jaiswal.

 

[msb314]

Hate BCCI with a passion but Jaiswal has more talent in his toenail than Saim Ayub will ever possess.

@Mamoon

 

[mominsaigol]

Saim is raw and undercooked, he's yet to prove anything, jaiswal is developing and is on his way to become a full time star at an increasingly rapid rate. Big difference.

In a year jaiswal has made crazy progress while saim has made zero

 

[Hitman]

Hate BCCI with a passion but Jaiswal has more talent in his toenail than Saim Ayub will ever possess.

@Mamoon

What has the conduct of the BCCI got to do with Indian players? The Indian players are not responsible for anything the BCCI does.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Saim and Jaiswal are not even a comparison anymore. One guy is not having a good time in the t20s and the other guy is almost phenomenal in ALL FORMATS and he is equally good in all IMO.

 

[TheNeutralist]

This thread reminds me of Umar Akmal Vs Virat Kohli thread

 

[mominsaigol]

Saim and Jaiswal are not even a comparison anymore. One guy is not having a good time in the t20s and the other guy is almost phenomenal in ALL FORMATS and he is equally good in all IMO.

It's just fan obsession to create spite matchups simply because it's Pakistan and India.

These matchups made sense 15 to 20 years ago when Pakistan's bowling especially spin during the chuck ajmal era was leaps and miles > anything India had at the time in terms of bowling. It didn't help India during that time supported trundlers such as Ishant sharma whereas umar gul despite declining even in 2013 was dismantling an all star south Africa for 5-6 XD.

However ever since them the gap has increased to the point that we should logically be making Pakistan players vs Afghanistan player threads.

Bowling wise India is far far superior to us, batting wise as well, and fielding.

 

[daytrader]

So after "talent", "range of shots" is the new unquantifiable thing with which Pakistani players are put on a higher pedal.

Don't forget the 2 sixes in the PP. That's what makes an ATG batter

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Look, Saim is talented and is a generational player for Pakistan. Proper 3 dimensional player and like most modern Pakistan players, he's a very likeable lad as well.

Babar in the World Cup was inferior to all of Rohit, Kohli, Iyer, KL . But that doesn't mean he's not a generational batsman for Pakistan .

 

[Mamoon]

for now i am only talking about single aspect which is a shot selection in which saim is obviuosly better than him but yeah they both havent played much T20I cricket so cant really compare for now.

You couldn’t be more wrong even if you tried and you still have time to recover from this fumble before it is too late.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Look, Saim is talented and is a generational player for Pakistan. Proper 3 dimensional player and like most modern Pakistan players, he's a very likeable lad as well.

Babar in the World Cup was inferior to all of Rohit, Kohli, Iyer, KL . But that doesn't mean he's not a generational batsman for Pakistan .

Generational player? We are loosely using this word for every batsman who looks to be flamboyant. The same was said about Brevis. He set the under-19 World Cup on fire. Then showed some sparks in IPL. They even called him Baby AB. Where is he now? Same with Tom Prest from England. Prithvi Shaw looked like a million dollar when he was young. He looked like Sehwag clone. More recently in the county one-day cup, he showed a glimpse of why he had the hype. Saim has to do a lot more to earn the hype these guys had.

 

[MANU ROY]

one guy already have 1000+ international runs other guy didn't even score a 50

 

[mominsaigol]

Generational player? We are loosely using this word for every batsman who looks to be flamboyant. The same was said about Brevis. He set the under-19 World Cup on fire. Then showed some sparks in IPL. They even called him Baby AB. Where is he now? Same with Tom Prest from England. Prithvi Shaw looked like a million dollar when he was young. He looked like Sehwag clone. More recently in the county one-day cup, he showed a glimpse of why he had the hype. Saim has to do a lot more to earn the hype these guys had.

Basically for Pakistani fans, any player who looks cool and plays some unorthodox strokes happens to be a once in a lifetime generational player lol.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Saim definitley is a different player then the other. He has more shots in his book but the problem with him is his consistency. Jaiswal is an established player while Saim is still a nobody when it comes to the international stage. First Saimhas to do something on the big stage, then we can talk about these kind of comparisons. Untill then, he is nobody.

 

[Varun]

So after "talent", "range of shots" is the new unquantifiable thing with which Pakistani players are put on a higher pedal.

Pakistani players are always #1 when it comes to these intangible variables like "Raw Talent", "X-Factor" etc etc.

 

[U$ofA]

So, should this thread still be alive? Or is it going the U. Akmal vs. Kholi way?

 

[JattMaula]

So, should this thread still be alive? Or is it going the U. Akmal vs. Kholi way?

Too early to call. Give it 2-3 years.

 

[Savak]

Jaiswal had 7-8 failures in the IPL before that hundred. Indians have plenty of patience with their players and give the right players the long run unlike Pakistan.

 

[jnaveen1980]

So, should this thread still be alive? Or is it going the U. Akmal vs. Kholi way?

To be fair Umar Akmal started well at the international level. Saim Ayub has so far done only in CPL and PSL nothing outside. Not even in under-19 like Jaiswal, Gill did. Umar Akmal had some potential. Lack of guidance or whatever he never took it to next level. Kohli on the other hand was dropped after first WI series. He worked hard and came back stronger. Saim at this point is at Tilak Varma level. Infact TIlak has done more at the internationals. Same age.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Jaiswal had 7-8 failures in the IPL before that hundred. Indians have plenty of patience with their players and give the right players the long run unlike Pakistan.

Here are some of the Jaiswal achievmeents

2020 under-19 world cup Highest run getter Jaiswal 400 runs
His first class average 75
List A average 53
Test average 70
T20I average 33@161 strike rate
He has the fastest 50 in IPL history 13 balls.
He made 625 runs in the last IPL season at 163
Second highest run getter in a Test series for India
Most sixes in a test series in cricket's 100 plus year history 26 sixes.

He came through ranks properly. There is no way they will drop him. Proved too much to be dropped. Infact i am okay that he fails here. That way he can deliver in internationals. Also Rajasthan Royals is one team that backs youngsters to the hilt no matter how badly they do in a season. Samson, Jaiswal, Parag, Jurel all were backed despite having some ordinary seasons.

 

[Usman Chadda]

There is no comparison. The likes of Jaiswal, Abhishek Sharma, Riyan Parag are playing outrageous cricket.

We have strokeless wonders right down to our under-15 level.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Jaiswal has took the world by storm and he is already leading this race and is way ahead of Saim.

 

[cricketmania22]

People think just like Pakistan, Indian players are plucked out of thin air as well. They come through a proper channel. They prove themselves in domestic cricket before getting selected. IPL just gives them that exposure which they need to show their skills, but they actually horn their skills while playing the domestic cricket.

 

[mominsaigol]

Jaiswal has took the world by storm and he is already leading this race and is way ahead of Saim.

Way ahead? He's already crossed an entire milky way while saim is stuck in the stone age

 

[BouncerGuy]

Way ahead? He's already crossed an entire milky way while saim is stuck in the stone age

That is one way of defining " way ahead" but yes, Jaiswal is winning this race by miles.

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

Jaiswal is miles better than 90% of the Pakistani batters who played post 2010. No point of illogical comparisons.

 

[mominsaigol]

That is one way of defining " way ahead" but yes, Jaiswal is winning this race by miles.

Yes, but again being generous, India is leagues ahead.

The fact that their fans can afford to talk about dropping kohli and rohit shows their insane talent pool and jaiswal is on the upper echelons of that while saim ayub is opening solely due to the mantra of having an aggressive opener in t20. Beyond the marketing ploy he isn't needed.

 

[mominsaigol]

Jaiswal is miles better than 90% of the Pakistani batters who played post 2010. No point of illogical comparisons.

Almost every player from india's unit is superior to our batters tbh.

 

[Local.Dada]

Jaiswal had 7-8 failures in the IPL before that hundred. Indians have plenty of patience with their players and give the right players the long run unlike Pakistan.

You are looking glass half empty-full. Before those failures he had a stellar series vs England. Jaiswal is backed because he has a body of work: U 19’s, Domestics followed by standout performances in IPL and international cricket. This is why his failures are overlooked and he is given a longer rope. He is not just picked on some perceived “xfactor” or “talent”.

 

[UP]

Saim Ayub who?

 

[AMSS]

I wouldn't mind being proven wrong or whatever but Ayub looks to me a copy of Ishan Kishan. In fact I checked their record just now and it's uncanny how identical their records are across all formats.

Kishan doesn't have the time against pace that Saim has and Saim is 4 years younger.

I have to apologize for my initial assessment. Ayub is NOT a copy of Ishan Kishan. Rather, he looks like a poor man's version of Ishan Kishan.

This is of course not to suggest he cannot kick off from here and carve a decent career for himself. But for now, he's too much of a leg side hack to merit much discussion.

 

[U$ofA]

This thread needs a bit more time. I think this thread should be revisited after the WC. Just to determine if the comparisons are real or if the thread is going the Akmal-Kohli way.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Ayub is very similar to Abhishek Sharma.

Left handed opening dashers who bowl slow left arm spin.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Ayub is very similar to Abhishek Sharma.

Left handed opening dashers who bowl slow left arm spin.

Abhishek is in a different league. He has come through ranks. An under-19 world cup representative. Played a crucial part in winning the domestic championship for his state. Also his hitting technique is vastly superior with a lot of power.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Abhishek is in a different league. He has come through ranks. An under-19 world cup representative. Played a crucial part in winning the domestic championship for his state. Also his hitting technique is vastly superior with a lot of power.

Who do you rate more between Abhishek and Yashaswi?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Who do you rate more between Abhishek and Yashaswi?

Jaiswal. Technically one of the best going around. Especially backfoot defense is very good. Also leaves the ball very well. Already proved in several tournaments he has both temperament and technique. Now the real thing he has to fix is switching between formats.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Ayub is very similar to Abhishek Sharma.

Left handed opening dashers who bowl slow left arm spin.

In domestic League, it's valid to compare

 

[RidiculousMan]

WT20 is coming up. Looking forward to seeing how both these players perform

 

[mominsaigol]

I have to apologize for my initial assessment. Ayub is NOT a copy of Ishan Kishan. Rather, he looks like a poor man's version of Ishan Kishan.

This is of course not to suggest he cannot kick off from here and carve a decent career for himself. But for now, he's too much of a leg side hack to merit much discussion.

Kishan isn't a bad player bro, a bad player cannot score an odi 200 even if the next matches were failures.

It's just Ishan is out of place when you got sanju, kohli, Gill, jaiswal etc in the squad so doesn't make it.

Saim ayub wouldn't even make it in Ireland team as an opener.

 

[Ijaz Ahmed07]

Oh ho ! What a joke this comparison will turn out to be.

 

[jnaveen1980]

T20 is the worst format to judge a batsmen's class. IT has allowed so many technically and temperamentally faulty players to thrive due to the nature of the format. A format where bowlers by default are defensive. Hacking a few and scoring a quick 30 or 40 is easy for most tully bazz cricketers.

 

[Devadwal]

Jaiswal is miles ahead ,there is no contest so far between both of the batsman.

 

[jnaveen1980]

This thread was a non starter from the get go.

 

[Vikram1989]

Looks like apart from no look shot saim don't have anything to show against jaiswal

 

[AMSS]

Saim is too young to be written off. He will probably make a comeback.

 

[mominsaigol]

Better thread would be Abdullah shafiq vs Jaiswal even though abd is Right handed.

Jaiswal may he more explosive but Abdullah already had centuries in both test and white ball even if the units didn't have the best bowling.

Case in point Abdullah has something to show for while saim doesn't and both are reasonably young still.

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

Saim Ayub is comparable to India's Atharva Taide.

But but but, who the hell is Atharva Taide????
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I will tell you.
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Atharva Taide is young Indian batman who plays for Vidarbha and Kings XI Punjab.He is also aggressive left handed batsman with similar style to Saim Ayub.


Check the link.

Saim Ayub is on the same level to some relatively unknown batsman from India, but here we are comparing him with someone like Jaiswal.

JAISWAL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AYUB=TAIDE

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Saim stick in a bit of a rut. Needs to work with an elite batting coach. Him and Mohammad Haris maybe.

There are no other young prospects

 

[Croma]

This thread should have been locked once Jaiswal Jazzballed two double Hundreds Vs England

 

[cricketjoshila]

Better thread would be Abdullah shafiq vs Jaiswal even though abd is Right handed.

Jaiswal may he more explosive but Abdullah already had centuries in both test and white ball even if the units didn't have the best bowling.

Case in point Abdullah has something to show for while saim doesn't and both are reasonably young still.

Jaiswal has 2 test double tons and a T20I century.

 

[mominsaigol]

Jaiswal has 2 test double tons and a T20I century.

Abdullah has one odi 100 and 4 test centuries.

That's why I'm saying Abdullah vs Jaiswal is a better comparison or at the very least Gill vs Abdullah

 

[cricketjoshila]

Abdullah has one odi 100 and 4 test centuries.

That's why I'm saying Abdullah vs Jaiswal is a better comparison or at the very least Gill vs Abdullah

Jaiswal has 2 test double hundreds against England and a test hundred in WI.

 

[mominsaigol]

Jaiswal has 2 test double hundreds against England and a test hundred in WI.

Ik jaiswal is superior, I never said he isn't. I'm just saying a better comparison for the thread would be ABD and not saim because saim hasn't achieved anything

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Ik jaiswal is superior, I never said he isn't. I'm just saying a better comparison for the thread would be ABD and not saim because saim hasn't achieved anything

Bro, please don't call shafique Abd

 

[Statpadder Inc]

He's still a good player though

 

[cricketjoshila]

Ik jaiswal is superior, I never said he isn't. I'm just saying a better comparison for the thread would be ABD and not saim because saim hasn't achieved anything

Asad Shafique is a good player.

 

[mominsaigol]

Bro, please don't call shafique Abd

It's an abbreviation. I ain't ever comparing anyone to the ABD.

ABD is literally the greatest no 5 of all time? And the greatest sa player to ever exist.

 

[TheNeutralist]

This thread also going the Virat Kohli Vs Umar Akmal way!

 

[Bhaijaan]

Natural talent : Saim Ayub
Royal flair : Saim Ayub
Touch of class : Saim Ayub
More exciting to watch : Saim Ayub

Better batsman : Jaiswal

 

[FearlessRoar]

What is the difference in process? Both have talent, but Jaiswal is on the next level, and Saim is just struggling to find form. What is the special ingredient in Jaiswal's success?

 

[Bhaijaan]

What is the difference in process? Both have talent, but Jaiswal is on the next level, and Saim is just struggling to find form. What is the special ingredient in Jaiswal's success?

Jaiswal came from extreme poverty. He became a man at the age of 8.

 

[mominsaigol]

Jaiswal came from extreme poverty. He became a man at the age of 8.

He was born to an owner of a small hardware store? And he travelled to Mumbai to receive cricket training in an academy?

That's not poverty, If you're referring to the panpuri PR stunt nonsense which is overblown by Indian media, Lots of students take part tome work to make ends meet, that doesn't mean their poor.

Jaiswal isn't rich or anything, infact he was lower class I agree, but poverty is stretching it. Poverty is extreme. His father shop was earning money and he had enough to casually travel to Mumbai, people from poverty don't have fathers earning cash and travelling lol.

He was lower class aka below middle class, he wasnt poverty or a gipsy

 

[RyanRyan10]

He was born to an owner of a small hardware store? And he travelled to Mumbai to receive cricket training in an academy?

That's not poverty, If you're referring to the panpuri PR stunt nonsense which is overblown by Indian media, Lots of students take part tome work to make ends meet, that doesn't mean their poor.

Jaiswal isn't rich or anything, infact he was lower class I agree, but poverty is stretching it. Poverty is extreme. His father shop was earning money and he had enough to casually travel to Mumbai, people from poverty don't have fathers earning cash and travelling lol.

He was lower class aka below middle class, he wasnt poverty or a gipsy

It wasn't PR. He was indeed poor albeit that pani puri story was overblown by media.

 

[mominsaigol]

It wasn't PR. He was indeed poor albeit that pani puri story was overblown by media.

He was lower class which means poor. And I only said the pani puri thing was overblown not the rest.

Poverty and being poor are 2 separate things. A father owning a hardware shop and making ends meet is not the definition of poverty

 

[Mamoon]

What is the difference in process? Both have talent, but Jaiswal is on the next level, and Saim is just struggling to find form. What is the special ingredient in Jaiswal's success?

Saim is underperforming because he is more concerned about showboating than grinding runs, but his talent is nowhere near Jaiswal’s.

Jaiswal is the real deal. He is better than guys like Saeed Anwar, Ganguly and Dhawan let alone Saim.

 

[Vikram1989]

Poverty and being poor are 2 separate things. A father owning a hardware shop and making ends meet is not the definition of poverty

His Interview before under 19 wc.He has spoken about selling panipuris,staying in a tent with out any basic facilities and lack of support/money from his family.

 

[mominsaigol]

His Interview before under 19 wc.He has spoken about selling panipuris,staying in a tent with out any basic facilities and lack of support/money from his family.

It's PR stuff. People will say anything. Jeff bezos received 500,000 from his parents to start Amazon, Inflation adjusted that's 800,000 dollars today.

Yet he claimed multiple times how he was poor and flipping burgers at McDonald's. Similarly opera winfrey has proclaimed nonsense such as she went to school wearing a box of potatoes lol.

Anyone who does a background check, would know that his family fully supported him for cricket and took him to Mumbai to get in, to top it off his father owned a hardware store and was making decent money and was a good entrepreneur.

Also lastly, No person born in Poverty looks like jaiswal lol, look at kids in Africa and actual poor people in India and look at this guy.

Just like dhoni's story is exaggerated, anyone sane who does a bit of background check would realise he ain't poverty struck.

 

[Vikram1989]

It's PR stuff. People will say anything.
Also lastly, No person born in Poverty looks like jaiswal lol, look at kids in Africa and actual poor people in India and look at this guy.

Just like dhoni's story is exaggerated, anyone sane who does a bit of background check would realise he ain't poverty struck.

He said in the interview (2019 dec 13)when he was unknown quantity .do u think it was pr stuff when he didn't know what will happen to him in the future? He himself said some one have taken care of him from 17 (past 2 years of that interview) .so he must have gotten in to reasonable shape by then. Wasim jaffer also have taken care of jaiswal .If Any kid born after 2000 in india is not able to speak English means ,he is ultra poor and no educational background at all.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Saim is underperforming because he is more concerned about showboating than grinding runs, but his talent is nowhere near Jaiswal’s.

Jaiswal is the real deal. He is better than guys like Saeed Anwar, Ganguly and Dhawan let alone Saim.

Jaiswal has a long way to go to be considered better than Anwar, Ganguly, Dhawan. All the 3 names mentioned were top batters.

 

[mominsaigol]

He said in the interview (2019 dec 13)when he was unknown quantity .do u think it was pr stuff when he didn't know what will happen to him in the future? He himself said some one have taken care of him from 17 (past 2 years of that interview) .so he must have gotten in to reasonable shape by then. Wasim jaffer also have taken care of jaiswal .If Any kid born after 2000 in india is not able to speak English means ,he is ultra poor and no educational background at all.

Brother, it doesn't matter what I think. I'm fully aware of how Marketing and PR works.

If the kid can travel to Mumbai and has a father who owns a hardware shop does not classify as poverty. His father having one shop alone is enough to classify him to not be a poverty stricken kid.

 

[Pakhs]

Jaiswal has a long way to go to be considered better than Anwar, Ganguly, Dhawan. All the 3 names mentioned were top batters.

Jaiswal is definitely a real deal and will go on to have a good international career. Saim Ayub most probably will fade away soon.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Jaiswal is definitely a real deal and will go on to have a good international career. Saim Ayub most probably will fade away soon.

They are both guesses.
People hyped Gill to the moon and he’s struggling to keep up with it.

Bharat itself hasn’t found a reliable top quality batter after Hitman, Kohli, Gambhir

 

[Vikram1989]

Brother, it doesn't matter what I think. I'm fully aware of how Marketing and PR works.

If the kid can travel to Mumbai and has a father who owns a hardware shop does not classify as poverty. His father having one shop alone is enough to classify him to not be a poverty stricken kid.

whatever he is ,lets hope he utilises his potential

 

[Pakhs]

They are both guesses.
People hyped Gill to the moon and he’s struggling to keep up with it.

Based on my observations of both technique, temperament, and shot selection, Jaiswal appears to have a wider range of shots, whereas Saim Ayub currently relies on one or two shots and is more limited as a player. Given this, Jaiswal seems to be a much better prospect in terms of potential.

For a batsman at the beginning of his career, potential is often judged by three key factors: technique, temperament, and shot range. A batsman lacking in any of these areas is likely to be exposed by international-class bowlers, who have entire teams working with them to devise strategies against every player.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Based on my observations of both technique, temperament, and shot selection, Jaiswal appears to have a wider range of shots, whereas Saim Ayub currently relies on one or two shots and is more limited as a player. Given this, Jaiswal seems to be a much better prospect in terms of potential.

For a batsman at the beginning of his career, potential is often judged by three key factors: technique, temperament, and shot range. A batsman lacking in any of these areas is likely to be exposed by international-class bowlers, who have entire teams working with them to devise strategies against every player.

What about the negatives?
Yashasavi has access to way more money at a very young age

This is what ruined Shubhman Gill and it remains to be seen if he has it in him to reemerge.

Saim Ayub is still undesirable as a man.