JibranAnsari
Test Captain
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fine, but can hardly blame him on this tour and in particular this test. this is first innings and on first day with all the wind,etc, he bowled really well to get us in strong position at 119/4.
his worst has been australia where we should stop picking him and go with alternates but he has taken enough wickets and generated enough chances in england tour this time around and even previous occassions has helped win us tests.
It makes you wonder , when you look at the scorecard today , how much worse could the bowling figures look like If these guys went out bowling with an all out attacking mindset and field , with Yasir trying not to contain but to get turn and beat the batsman and the quickies striving to bowl full and uproot the middle stump. Could it really be much worse or it might even have been a different story by getting a couple of breakthroughs with someone bowling an inspired spell - these guys are just going through the motions.

Yasir so overrated..... How many more series will he be considered a match winner.
Only UAE is ok.
He such a great base with the leg spinner.... cant believe he still does not a decent quick straight ball.
Forget the googly he will not be able to learn it now.
He was the biggest disappointment for me along with Abbass. He has played on numerous Sena tours and in each and every series he has disappointed. Pakistan should gradually move on from him because he has reached his ceiling and is unlikely to get better, we can't have our premier spinner being ineffective on SENA pitches and conceding 200 runs every innings and putting an inexperienced bowling attack under even more pressure and the batsmen coming under scoreboard pressure.
Hopefully, he'll be booted for good now.
He was bowling on the first day yes we went at 4rpo but he also bowled 35 overs
Last Match he was bowling in second innings, couldn't defend 277.
No Variety just googly, need to move one or select him just in UAE.
Last Match he was bowling in second innings, couldn't defend 277.
No Variety just googly, need to move one or select him just in UAE.
Who you got as a replacement gohar who else ?
He was bowling on the first day yes we went at 4rpo but he also bowled 35 overs
This is why I object to playing SENA Tests with 3 quicks and 1 spinner.
Yasir Shah is a much better leg-spinner than Shadab, of course.
But he bowled 39-3-173-2.
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] disagrees, but:
1. Only 3 overs out of 39 were maidens.
2. He leaked runs at a rate of 4.44, worse than any other bowler including the 2 rookie quicks.
3. Really 25 of those 39 overs should have been bowled by a pace bowler.
4. Yasir used a 10 over old Dukes ball in the very first session of the match, which was crying out to be used by a quick bowler.
Yasir may be excellent by leg-spinner standards, but Misbah continues to try to use him as a stock bowler outside Asia and it almost always fails.
Just to repeat, at Southampton:
Yasir Shah 39-3-173-2.
My argument is that even a mediocre fourth pace bowler would be more effective than Yasir Shah in England most of the time.
And pace bowlers don't get much more mediocre than Faheem Ashraf. And here are his Test figures against the same opposition in the same country two years ago:
Faheem Ashraf in England 2018: 38-8-119-4
The ball that Yasir bowled to Ollie Pope was lovely. But still, compared with Faheem Ashraf:
1. Yasir Shah's economy rate in England is worse.
2. Yasir Shah's strike rate in England is worse.
So I find it hard to justify:
1. Why Pakistan needs a frontline leg-spinner in SENA.
2. Why Pakistan needs Yasir Shah in England: he helped win 2 Tests 4 years ago, but this year at Old Trafford couldn't defend 270 in the Fourth Innings.
In fact, the tale of the numbers is worse than this:
Yasir Shah in 7 Tests in England:
BOWLING
30 wickets in 336 overs
Average 38.06
Economy Rate 3.39
Strike Rate 67.2
BATTING
155 runs in 11 innings
Average 15.50
Shadab Khan in England in 3 Tests:
BOWLING
5 wickets in 53.5 overs
Average 38.80
Economy Rate 3.62
Strike Rate 64.2
BATTING
172 runs in 5 innings
Average 34.40
These numbers are devastating.
Yes, you can bowl Yasir Shah for much longer spells in England than Shadab Khan.
But he will take wickets at the same average as Shadab, the same economy rate and the same strike rate.
But he will only score half the amount of runs that Shadab will score in England.
Why would you bother?
In England in Tests, Faheem Ashraf has a better average (29.75 compared with Yasir and Shadab's 38).
In England in Tests, Faheem Ashraf has a better economy rate (3.13 compared with Yasir's 3.39 and Shadab's 3.62).
In England in Tests, Faheem Ashraf has a better strike rate (57.0 compared with Yasir's 67.2 and Shadab's 64.2).
Yes, it is testament to Yasir Shah's great skill as a leggie that Pakistan tries to use him as a stock bowler in SENA, and he almost carries it off.
But it doesn't work. A fairly mediocre fourth seamer outperforms him in terms of average, strike rate and economy rate. And a bits and pieces (as per [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] ) player like Shadab can perform almost at the level of a specialist batsman and still match Yasir Shah's bowling average, strike rate and economy rate in England.
Shadab
Fawad Alam
At least they have ball going both ways
This is why I object to playing SENA Tests with 3 quicks and 1 spinner.
Yasir Shah is a much better leg-spinner than Shadab, of course.
But he bowled 39-3-173-2.
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] disagrees, but:
1. Only 3 overs out of 39 were maidens.
2. He leaked runs at a rate of 4.44, worse than any other bowler including the 2 rookie quicks.
3. Really 25 of those 39 overs should have been bowled by a pace bowler.
4. Yasir used a 10 over old Dukes ball in the very first session of the match, which was crying out to be used by a quick bowler.
Yasir may be excellent by leg-spinner standards, but Misbah continues to try to use him as a stock bowler outside Asia and it almost always fails.
Just to repeat, at Southampton:
Yasir Shah 39-3-173-2.
My argument is that even a mediocre fourth pace bowler would be more effective than Yasir Shah in England most of the time.
And pace bowlers don't get much more mediocre than Faheem Ashraf. And here are his Test figures against the same opposition in the same country two years ago:
Faheem Ashraf in England 2018: 38-8-119-4
The ball that Yasir bowled to Ollie Pope was lovely. But still, compared with Faheem Ashraf:
1. Yasir Shah's economy rate in England is worse.
2. Yasir Shah's strike rate in England is worse.
So I find it hard to justify:
1. Why Pakistan needs a frontline leg-spinner in SENA.
2. Why Pakistan needs Yasir Shah in England: he helped win 2 Tests 4 years ago, but this year at Old Trafford couldn't defend 270 in the Fourth Innings.
In fact, the tale of the numbers is worse than this:
Yasir Shah in 7 Tests in England:
BOWLING
30 wickets in 336 overs
Average 38.06
Economy Rate 3.39
Strike Rate 67.2
BATTING
155 runs in 11 innings
Average 15.50
Shadab Khan in England in 3 Tests:
BOWLING
5 wickets in 53.5 overs
Average 38.80
Economy Rate 3.62
Strike Rate 64.2
BATTING
172 runs in 5 innings
Average 34.40
These numbers are devastating.
Yes, you can bowl Yasir Shah for much longer spells in England than Shadab Khan.
But he will take wickets at the same average as Shadab, the same economy rate and the same strike rate.
But he will only score half the amount of runs that Shadab will score in England.
Why would you bother?
In England in Tests, Faheem Ashraf has a better average (29.75 compared with Yasir and Shadab's 38).
In England in Tests, Faheem Ashraf has a better economy rate (3.13 compared with Yasir's 3.39 and Shadab's 3.62).
In England in Tests, Faheem Ashraf has a better strike rate (57.0 compared with Yasir's 67.2 and Shadab's 64.2).
Yes, it is testament to Yasir Shah's great skill as a leggie that Pakistan tries to use him as a stock bowler in SENA, and he almost carries it off.
But it doesn't work. A fairly mediocre fourth seamer outperforms him in terms of average, strike rate and economy rate. And a bits and pieces (as per [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] ) player like Shadab can perform almost at the level of a specialist batsman and still match Yasir Shah's bowling average, strike rate and economy rate in England.
This is why I object to playing SENA Tests with 3 quicks and 1 spinner.
Yasir Shah is a much better leg-spinner than Shadab, of course.
But he bowled 39-3-173-2.
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] disagrees, but:
1. Only 3 overs out of 39 were maidens.
2. He leaked runs at a rate of 4.44, worse than any other bowler including the 2 rookie quicks.
3. Really 25 of those 39 overs should have been bowled by a pace bowler.
4. Yasir used a 10 over old Dukes ball in the very first session of the match, which was crying out to be used by a quick bowler.
Yasir may be excellent by leg-spinner standards, but Misbah continues to try to use him as a stock bowler outside Asia and it almost always fails.
Just to repeat, at Southampton:
Yasir Shah 39-3-173-2.
My argument is that even a mediocre fourth pace bowler would be more effective than Yasir Shah in England most of the time.
And pace bowlers don't get much more mediocre than Faheem Ashraf. And here are his Test figures against the same opposition in the same country two years ago:
Faheem Ashraf in England 2018: 38-8-119-4
The ball that Yasir bowled to Ollie Pope was lovely. But still, compared with Faheem Ashraf:
1. Yasir Shah's economy rate in England is worse.
2. Yasir Shah's strike rate in England is worse.
So I find it hard to justify:
1. Why Pakistan needs a frontline leg-spinner in SENA.
2. Why Pakistan needs Yasir Shah in England: he helped win 2 Tests 4 years ago, but this year at Old Trafford couldn't defend 270 in the Fourth Innings.
In fact, the tale of the numbers is worse than this:
Yasir Shah in 7 Tests in England:
BOWLING
30 wickets in 336 overs
Average 38.06
Economy Rate 3.39
Strike Rate 67.2
BATTING
155 runs in 11 innings
Average 15.50
Shadab Khan in England in 3 Tests:
BOWLING
5 wickets in 53.5 overs
Average 38.80
Economy Rate 3.62
Strike Rate 64.2
BATTING
172 runs in 5 innings
Average 34.40
These numbers are devastating.
Yes, you can bowl Yasir Shah for much longer spells in England than Shadab Khan.
But he will take wickets at the same average as Shadab, the same economy rate and the same strike rate.
But he will only score half the amount of runs that Shadab will score in England.
Why would you bother?
In England in Tests, Faheem Ashraf has a better average (29.75 compared with Yasir and Shadab's 38).
In England in Tests, Faheem Ashraf has a better economy rate (3.13 compared with Yasir's 3.39 and Shadab's 3.62).
In England in Tests, Faheem Ashraf has a better strike rate (57.0 compared with Yasir's 67.2 and Shadab's 64.2).
Yes, it is testament to Yasir Shah's great skill as a leggie that Pakistan tries to use him as a stock bowler in SENA, and he almost carries it off.
But it doesn't work. A fairly mediocre fourth seamer outperforms him in terms of average, strike rate and economy rate. And a bits and pieces (as per [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] ) player like Shadab can perform almost at the level of a specialist batsman and still match Yasir Shah's bowling average, strike rate and economy rate in England.
You would replace yasir shah with a part time spinner in shadab and fawad alam!?
I partly blame the captain and misbah for him going for so many runs so often
There's no way he should be bowling 30 plus overs so early in the innings sometimes like he does.
This over reliance on him by the management together with the pacers ineffectiveness is what causes him to be so ineffective sometimes
Like someone said Its like asking warne to bowl teams out on the first or 2nd days of tests without a mcdermott mcgrath hughes lee gillespie at the other end taking wkts uptop
You are confusing the chicken with the egg.
This situation arises because of Misbah's belief that in SENA he can use Yasir Shah as a stock bowler and replace his fourth quick with a batsman.
He fails to recognise that this makes his 3 quicks less effective, because it overworks them, gives them fewer, shorter breaks between spells, and makes them slower and less incisive.
This is not what happened with Shane Warne!
It's true that Australia tended to only pick 3 specialist quicks. But they had Steve and Mark Waugh to bowl medium pace until they retired, and then Andrew Symonds and Shane Watson!
Shane Warne did not bowl at Southampton with a ball that was 10 overs old like Yasir Shah does! Shane Warne did not open the bowling in a Test at the SCG like Misbah did with Yasir Shah!
Yasir Shah as a stock bowler outside Asia is a trick by Misbah to play an extra batsman instead of a fourth quick. It is related to his mantra that he will only pick all-rounders who are good enough for selection as a batsman or bowler alone (which neither Watson nor Symonds or Mitch Marsh could dream of being).
It's a dumb strategy. Yasir Shah is 34, and Misbah has now tried this strategy in 13 different SENA Tests, and it has arguably worked in 2, at Lords and The Oval 4 years ago.
It's a strategy with a terrible success rate.
3 quicks were so overworked that they could not bowl more than 10 overs in first session of test in Eng.
It says more about the 3 quicks who were playing and a lot less about not having 4th quick.
Both Shadab and Naseem are most effective when they are bowling at 140+.
As was Mitchell Johnson. And in the series when his spells were restricted to 4 or 5 overs he maintained that pace and took wickets.
We all saw that most of the time the young quicks were bowling in the low 130s (Shaheen) and mid-upper 130s (Naseem) in England. Had they tried to bowl faster at the probable ages of 20 and 19 they would have quickly sustained stress fractures.
My template for these 3 Tests in England hasn't changed:
HOUR 1
With the wind: Shaheen 5 overs, Naseem 2 overs
Into the wind: Abbas 7 overs
HOUR 2
With the wind: Naseem 3 overs, Azhar 1 over, Faheem 3 overs
Into the wind: Faheem 3 overs, Shadab 4 overs
I would rather have Naseem and Shaheen bowl 15 overs at 140K than 24 overs at 132K.
If you set the qualification to 160 and greater
than Danish Kaneria and Muralitharan top the lit with 10 innings and Yasir comes at 3 with 9 innings.
3 quicks together could not bowl 10 overs in the first session of the test due to being tired?
Meanwhile, England's two olderst bowlers, both over 34, an age which junaids thinks all players should be put to pasture, were bowling 13 to 14 overs in one single spell, with even Amderson cranking it to over 140 and near to it on average
You are confusing two issues.
Very Young pace bowlers are at high risk of stress fractures and certainly shouldn’t comprise 2 of the 3 quicks in a pace attack.
Anderson and Broad are at virtually no risk of that.