"You are with us, or against us" - Time for PCB to deliver a strong message to other ACC nations?

[Shafi]

But unfortunately ICC is toothless organisation should be closed now no need for them let BCCI run the cricket now

No wonder Cricket is not globalised even it has 200 years history. Thanks to BCCI. ICC also stands Indian Cricket Corporation. They just put some white puppets and some Asian to cover up.

 

[RyanRyan10]

No wonder Cricket is not globalised even it has 200 years history. Thanks to BCCI. ICC also stands Indian Cricket Corporation. They just put some white puppets and some Asian to cover up.

BCCI became powerful only from the 90s and they rushed SA's return, helped BD & Afg attain full member status. Jay Shah has introduced some good tournaments as ACC chief which will give opportunities to associates to play against each other. You need to check that.

 

[pratiktc]

Other boards are not crusaders for moral rights.
Just like PCB responsibility is to act in n best interests of Pakistan cricket, the other boards are beholden to their own countries.

If one board forces an ultimatum of 'with us or against us', then that board must outline the benefits of being 'with' and costs of being 'against' to the other boards.

At present there don't seem to be any benefits for other boards to side with PCB

 

[shah9425]

No wonder Cricket is not globalised even it has 200 years history. Thanks to BCCI. ICC also stands Indian Cricket Corporation. They just put some white puppets and some Asian to cover up.

Exactly this sport will be dead soon if this type of setup continues
Even Olympics doesn't bother to take ICC seriously

 

[cricketjoshila]

No wonder Cricket is not globalised even it has 200 years history. Thanks to BCCI. ICC also stands Indian Cricket Corporation. They just put some white puppets and some Asian to cover up.

You justified PCB's boycott of India but BCCI boycott is wrong.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Exactly this sport will be dead soon if this type of setup continues
Even Olympics doesn't bother to take ICC seriously

Why is Sethi(as per his own claim) forcing the relocation of Asia Cup 2018 from India justified but BCCI doing the same unjustified?

 

[Shafi]

You justified PCB's boycott of India but BCCI boycott is wrong.

One is for moral and others for vengeance!!!

 

[RyanRyan10]

Why is Sethi(as per his own claim) forcing the relocation of Asia Cup 2018 from India justified but BCCI doing the same unjustified?

You will never get a straight answer for that. They will just start whining on the sport is dying and all & even on that they would run away from proer discussions. Basically, they don't have a reply for anything. Bas Rona dhona karna hai har baat me.

 

[msb314]

Sethi sahib said in 2018, that PCB's objections forced ACC to shift the Asia cup out of India. Pakistani media reported it. Link is posted above.

How is that different from what BCCI is doing?

You keep mentioning the 2018 Asia Cup but PCB did NOT force BCCI to shift it out of India. BCCI chose to do that themselves because your Govt did not give security clearance for PCT to travel to India at that time..

 

[cricketjoshila]

One is for moral and others for vengeance!!!

Your grounds are moral while the others are not.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You keep mentioning the 2018 Asia Cup but PCB did NOT force BCCI to shift it out of India. BCCI chose to do that themselves because your Govt did not give security clearance for PCT to travel to India at that time..

But Sethi sahib claims otherwise. I have posted a link from DAWN with the claims by Sethi sahib.

 

[sweep_shot]

Apart from the Big 3 boards, no other board probably should do this. This is suicidal for a mid-tier or bottom-tier board.

I think diplomacy is a better approach.

 

[Rajdeep]

No one is answering the question [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] is asking.

PCB moved the Asia cup out of India in 2018 citing Kashmir issue and Sethi boasted about it.

Now BCCI is doing the same. Why is PCB not agreeing to the principle they stood for in 2018?

Answer this pls....someone.

 

[Shafi]

No one is answering the question [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] is asking.

PCB moved the Asia cup out of India in 2018 citing Kashmir issue and Sethi boasted about it.

Now BCCI is doing the same. Why is PCB not agreeing to the principle they stood for in 2018?

Answer this pls....someone.

I have already answered that.
PCB cited concern of brutality on our Muslim brothers and Sisters and moved Asia Cup as a moral support to Kashmir Muslims.
But in Pakistan we are not doing such brutality to our minority brothers/sisters, so India cannot raise same issue.

 

[Shafi]

Apart from the Big 3 boards, no other board probably should do this. This is suicidal for a mid-tier or bottom-tier board.

I think diplomacy is a better approach.

Once you let your enemy to dominate you they will come back for more and destroy you. No amount of bowing will let you survive. The glowing example is a country called Sikkim

 

[MenInG]

No more political stuff - stick to cricket

 

[MenInG]

As per a report, Najam Sethi may lose his job due to the Asia Cup situation.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

In other words, if Sethi is gonna lose his job, Pakistan has EVERY intention of playing World Cup and Asia Cup no matter what.

And government is not happy with Sethi running his mouth without any substance.

 

[Shafi]

As per a report, Najam Sethi may lose his job due to the Asia Cup situation.

I am with Sethi this time for the principle. Looks like Pakistan Government is happy to bow down to his enemy. Win for India and Jay Shah.

 

[Shafi]

In other words, if Sethi is gonna lose his job, Pakistan has EVERY intention of playing World Cup and Asia Cup no matter what.

And government is not happy with Sethi running his mouth without any substance.

Government is also happy to sacrifice CT 2025 for sure to please India. Who needs enemy when your own people stab from the back.

 

[MenInG]

The Pakistan Cricket Board is still waiting for the Asian Cricket Council to call-up its executive committee meeting to decide the fate of the Asia Cup with the tournament now just two months away. Reports in the Indian media, however, suggest a decision has already been made outside the offices.

After the PCB had proposed the “hybrid model” — which would see Pakistan, the rightful hosts of the Asia Cup, hold the tournament’s first-round matches, excluding those involving India at home before the competition moves to a neutral venue where the latter would feature — there has been no development on the matter at the official level.

But a report published by the Press Trust of India news agency on Tuesday claimed the PCB was left with no option but to either play the Asia Cup in its entirety at a venue other than Pakistan or to withdraw from the tournament — which the board had already established as its reaction in case the “hybrid model” is turned down.

The PTI report said that key ACC members Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Afghanistan, have “all backed the BCCI’s (Board of Control for Cricket in India) push for moving the tournament out of Pakistan”.


The “push” in question is the one that BCCI secretary and ACC president Jay Shah’s had reportedly made on the sidelines of the Indian Premier League final on May 27 in the presence of Afghanistan Cricket Board and Sri Lanka Cricket representatives.

According to reports, the SLC is ready to host the Asia Cup if it is officially moved out of Pakistan and its bid is being backed by other members including the BCCI.

The PCB, Dawn understands, however is in possession of the agreements by ACC members other than India of “having no problems” with the hybrid-model or playing in Pakistan. The said members have also not made any official communication to the PCB about their reported change of mind.

It has also been reported that the PCB has turned down Sri Lanka’s offer for a three-match One-day International series around Pakistan’s two-Test tour to the country in July.

If, according to what the reports claim, the “hybrid model” is not accepted, that could see the PCB withdraw the Pakistan team from the upcoming World Cup, which is to be played in October-November in India.

The problem could extend to the 2025 ICC Champions Trophy, the hosting rights of which were awarded to Pakistan two years ago. The BCCI, once again due to pressure from its central government, may well refuse to travel across the border.

The issue came under discussion between the PCB’s top officials including the board’s interim Management Commi*ttee chairman Najam Sethi with the International Cricket Council’s chairman Greg Barclay and the body’s chief executive Geoff Allardice, during their two-day visit to the PCB headquarters in Lahore last week.

The PCB’s press release after the meetings, however, covered general aspects as expected. But according to sources, the board has asked for the ICC’s assurance over India’s participation in the Champions Trophy.

The global cricket governing body, however, has maintained silence over the matter despite several approaches by Dawn.

Published in Dawn, June 7th, 2023

 

[ahsan17]

The real culprit in all of this is really just ICC. It is a completely useless and toothless organization that serves no purpose at this point. Might as well just replace it with BCCI. If this was in the world of FIFA, BCCI would have been smacked for even considering the antics it's playing out.

 

[rpant_gabba]

The real culprit in all of this is really just ICC. It is a completely useless and toothless organization that serves no purpose at this point. Might as well just replace it with BCCI. If this was in the world of FIFA, BCCI would have been smacked for even considering the antics it's playing out.

Sure, a nation and board which contributes 80+% of revenue would be smacked around. and pigs will fly, unicorns are real etc etc

 

[cricketjoshila]

The real culprit in all of this is really just ICC. It is a completely useless and toothless organization that serves no purpose at this point. Might as well just replace it with BCCI. If this was in the world of FIFA, BCCI would have been smacked for even considering the antics it's playing out.

LoL. BCCI brings 90 per cent of ICC revenues. No one country does that for FIFA. So there is no comparison.

Secondly what action can ICC take when the members will vote in favour of BCCI. Not even FIFA can do anything if majority of its members support one country.

So stop crying fifa fifa.

Btw fifa threw out Russia from the WC qualification. Why?

 

[ahsan17]

Sure, a nation and board which contributes 80+% of revenue would be smacked around. and pigs will fly, unicorns are real etc etc

That's because ICC has been unable to grow the game beyond the 4-5 core countries for basically since the partition. That's how you get monopolies. FIFA has done a much better job at growing the game.

 

[ahsan17]

LoL. BCCI brings 90 per cent of ICC revenues. No one country does that for FIFA. So there is no comparison.

Secondly what action can ICC take when the members will vote in favour of BCCI. Not even FIFA can do anything if majority of its members support one country.

So stop crying fifa fifa.

Btw fifa threw out Russia from the WC qualification. Why?

You guys are too one dimensional and don't see the bigger picture. Read my post above.

And worse, people are generally losing interest in cricket except for in India. That falls on ICC for just sitting on the couch and doing nothing for decades.

 

[rpant_gabba]

That's because ICC has been unable to grow the game beyond the 4-5 core countries for basically since the partition. That's how you get monopolies. FIFA has done a much better job at growing the game.

Wasn't Aus and Eng who held the veto which prevented the growth of the game till like the 1980's? It was another ICC, Imperial cricket conference which killed any chance cricket being a player in the US.

>>>>Another blow to cricket in the United States was the formation of the Imperial Cricket Conference in 1909. As the name implied, this was meant to be an organization for cricketing nations in the British Empire. Countries such as Australia and South Africa were able to continue playing internationally, while the United States was left out. <<<<

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_United_States_cricket

 

[shah9425]

You guys are too one dimensional and don't see the bigger picture. Read my post above.

And worse, people are generally losing interest in cricket except for in India. That falls on ICC for just sitting on the couch and doing nothing for decades.

ICC please shut down yourself you have failed big time as organization

 

[Rana]

In other words, if Sethi is gonna lose his job, Pakistan has EVERY intention of playing World Cup and Asia Cup no matter what.

And government is not happy with Sethi running his mouth without any substance.

The way it should be

The old government could care less and just kept things going

 

[MenInG]

The way it should be

The old government could care less and just kept things going

The old government would not have brought in a politician so he can all make us look like idiots.

Dont mix politics on this forum - stick to cricket.

 

[Rajdeep]

I am with Sethi this time for the principle. Looks like Pakistan Government is happy to bow down to his enemy. Win for India and Jay Shah.

You are with him on principle ONLY bcoz you have nothing at stake. But PCB need to run its business and would need money to sustain it. BCCI contributes 90% of revenues in ICC and indirectly fund PCB. Even Ramiz Raja accepted the same and acknowledged the clout of BCCI.

Sethi was always going to go after statements like - 'If India doesn't come to Pakistan for Asia Cup, we will not be going to India for World Cup'

He was clearly playing to the gallery for jazbaati people like you but other PCB members may not accept it as their livelihood depends on this business.

 

[MenInG]

According to sources, the PCB is unwavering in its position as the host of the highly anticipated Asia Cup later this year. Despite growing speculation and rumors, PCB officials are determined to maintain their stance and are actively working to ensure the successful hosting of the tournament.

Meanwhile, the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has allegedly been engaging in a misinformation campaign through their local media outlets. One of their recent claims is that other ACC members have rejected PCB’s hybrid model, and thus Pakistan may pull out from the tournament.

The Pakistan board officials have dismissed these statements as baseless and divorced from reality. They firmly believe that Pakistan's efforts to justify its position will prevail over any conspiracies orchestrated by the BCCI and the Asian Cricket Council (ACC).

While waiting for the Asian Cricket Council's decision, the PCB is also focusing on arranging additional One Day International (ODI) matches for the national team to prepare for the upcoming World Cup 2023, scheduled in India.

The PCB is exploring the possibility of scheduling matches in August or September, and for this purpose, discussions are underway with other cricket boards to finalize the plans. According to media reports, they are planning a triangular series involving South Africa and Ireland, which might take place in Karachi.

 

[Shafi]

You are with him on principle ONLY bcoz you have nothing at stake. But PCB need to run its business and would need money to sustain it. BCCI contributes 90% of revenues in ICC and indirectly fund PCB. Even Ramiz Raja accepted the same and acknowledged the clout of BCCI.

Sethi was always going to go after statements like - 'If India doesn't come to Pakistan for Asia Cup, we will not be going to India for World Cup'

He was clearly playing to the gallery for jazbaati people like you but other PCB members may not accept it as their livelihood depends on this business.

What is the point? India will not go to Pakistan and pull the trophy out of there plus conspiring behind the scene to isolate us. Will you side up with someone who wants to destroy you?

 

[Rajdeep]

What is the point? India will not go to Pakistan and pull the trophy out of there plus conspiring behind the scene to isolate us. Will you side up with someone who wants to destroy you?

Sir, how exactly is India destroying you? India provides major share of contribution to the ICC which then gets distributed to the member boards. Have you not seen percentage allocation for next cycle? PCB is 4th on the list. So the money from ICC, most of which is generated by India, fills the coffers of PCB.

As far as touring Pakistan is concerned, has BCCI stopped other boards from touring there? The bilateral series are in full swing in Pakistan as far as I know. Only thing India is saying they would not travel to Pakistan bcoz GOI don't allow them. Unfortunately PCB is in no position to do whataboutery here and alienate itself further from world cricket.

 

[Rana]

The old government would not have brought in a politician so he can all make us look like idiots.

Dont mix politics on this forum - stick to cricket.

But this is a political issue. It’s not cricket related. Pakistan not getting its way with India is a political issue and not simply confined to cricket administration

 

[cricketjoshila]

You guys are too one dimensional and don't see the bigger picture. Read my post above.

And worse, people are generally losing interest in cricket except for in India. That falls on ICC for just sitting on the couch and doing nothing for decades.

We know how big you see the picture.

Pakistanis will defend PCB's decisions to boycott visits to India for political causes.

Pakistanis won't answer why Sethi(His claim) moving the Asia cup out of India in 2018 was right but BCCI is wrong.

Hypocrisy!!!!

 

[cricketjoshila]

What is the point? India will not go to Pakistan and pull the trophy out of there plus conspiring behind the scene to isolate us. Will you side up with someone who wants to destroy you?

Bcci is saying if on your face and not conspiring behind your backs.

 

[msb314]

According to sources, the PCB is unwavering in its position as the host of the highly anticipated Asia Cup later this year. Despite growing speculation and rumors, PCB officials are determined to maintain their stance and are actively working to ensure the successful hosting of the tournament.

Meanwhile, the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has allegedly been engaging in a misinformation campaign through their local media outlets. One of their recent claims is that other ACC members have rejected PCB’s hybrid model, and thus Pakistan may pull out from the tournament.

The Pakistan board officials have dismissed these statements as baseless and divorced from reality. They firmly believe that Pakistan's efforts to justify its position will prevail over any conspiracies orchestrated by the BCCI and the Asian Cricket Council (ACC).

While waiting for the Asian Cricket Council's decision, the PCB is also focusing on arranging additional One Day International (ODI) matches for the national team to prepare for the upcoming World Cup 2023, scheduled in India.

The PCB is exploring the possibility of scheduling matches in August or September, and for this purpose, discussions are underway with other cricket boards to finalize the plans. According to media reports, they are planning a triangular series involving South Africa and Ireland, which might take place in Karachi.

I’m a bit confused.. I thought Sethi was going to lose his job and Pakistan Govt is going to let it slide.. but now we are hearing that PCB is “unwavering” in its position of hosting the Asia Cup?

Which one is it?

 

[ads101]

You guys are too one dimensional and don't see the bigger picture. Read my post above.

And worse, people are generally losing interest in cricket except for in India. That falls on ICC for just sitting on the couch and doing nothing for decades.

India are the only ones propping up cricket really, as others say they produce the lion share for revenue.

The best thing that promotes a sport is making money. The more the better. That is why we can’t compete with football. Cricket’s formats is the issue. Three formats adds complexity. T20 is the only format which is a decent time length that it can be watched by most in entirety and played at more convenient times which aren’t work hours. And lastly prioritising franchise cricket more than international cricket has more viability in terms of profitability, able to sustain itself, and attract wealthy owners who can grow the sport. Football does all these things, international cricket does none. Thus we can not compete. Football doesn’t really help the smaller countries much, their best players play in foreign leagues. They get a few matches for World Cup, euros etc. every 2 years.

India are probably very aware they are being financially handicapped by having the IPL not season long. India don’t need ICC, it is the other countries that need them.

The best thing Pakistan can do that is in its hands is maximise the PSL. We are one of the few countries which actually has a large fan base. It can both bring in money as well as sustain domestic cricketers income, as well as provide entertainment for Pakistani people without being reliant on others.

 

[MenInG]

I’m a bit confused.. I thought Sethi was going to lose his job and Pakistan Govt is going to let it slide.. but now we are hearing that PCB is “unwavering” in its position of hosting the Asia Cup?

Which one is it? &#55358;&#56596;

Smokes and mirrors at the moment.

 

[ahsan17]

We know how big you see the picture.

Pakistanis will defend PCB's decisions to boycott visits to India for political causes.

Pakistanis won't answer why Sethi(His claim) moving the Asia cup out of India in 2018 was right but BCCI is wrong.

Hypocrisy!!!!

Does even one sentence of your response actually relevant to what I said?

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Sethi is due a failure. He has had some excellent wins.

The worst thing anyone can do is to put his failure on previous regime. His wins and his failures are on him and him alone. He came on a promise to fix the so called mess and it has not happened.

Having said that, PCB needs real clear thinking at this stage. Where do they go from here.

Perhaps an outside big 3 consultancy can identify strategy options and the least worst way to go forward. Time to take stock, not make a panic move and move with purpose once path is clear.

Everyone in PCB should keep their big mouths shut until this happens.

 

[Energy]

If the Asia Cup doesn't go ahead and is replaced by a 4-nation mickey league, then the PCB have done quite well. It's as solid a stance as you can get under the circumstances.

For the World Cup, the PCB should travel to India under the ICC umbrella.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If the Asia Cup doesn't go ahead and is replaced by a 4-nation mickey league, then the PCB have done quite well. It's as solid a stance as you can get under the circumstances.

For the World Cup, the PCB should travel to India under the ICC umbrella.

Every thing Pakistan isn't part of is Mickey league?

 

[Energy]

Every thing Pakistan isn't part of is Mickey league?

Not everything. But this one is.

The ACC will end up cancelling the Asia Cup this year because Pakistan isn't part of it. That is big.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Not everything. But this one is.

The ACC will end up cancelling the Asia Cup this year because Pakistan isn't part of it. That is big.

And India will host a 5 nation tournament. Make millions. Other boards will get their revenue share.

All participants will get practice before the WC.

And if India pulls it off, Pakistan won't be needed in future. Just like the IPL.

 

[Shafi]

And India will host a 5 nation tournament. Make millions. Other boards will get their revenue share.

All participants will get practice before the WC.

And if India pulls it off, Pakistan won't be needed in future. Just like the IPL.

Congratulation bro, BCCI is using ICC to take away CT2025 from us.

 

[Ozeirk]

And India will host a 5 nation tournament. Make millions. Other boards will get their revenue share.

All participants will get practice before the WC.

And if India pulls it off, Pakistan won't be needed in future. Just like the IPL.

Yes and what an exciting series it would be with the world beaters SriLanka, Bangladesh and Afghanistan.

 

[The_Last_Samurai]

Yes and what an exciting series it would be with the world beaters SriLanka, Bangladesh and Afghanistan.

Exactly Sri Lanka are the defending champions of ASIA as they thrashed both INDIA and PAK. Not to forget even AFG made PAK toil hard against them. So , u r absolutely right...

 

[uppercut]

I'am sick and tired of this Soap opera ... worse than the Saas Bahu serials!! Therefore Iam sincerely backing PCB to take the most draconian of measures, file lawsuits, force BCCI + Indian Gov hand to ban all ties with Pakistan.

 

[MenInG]

From a report:

An official of the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) said that Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) will not boycott Asia Cup even if the hybrid model is rejected, Indian media reported.

In order to have Asia Cup in Pakistan, the PCB had proposed hybrid model according to which first four matches will be played in Pakistan followed by the event shifting to a neutral venue for remaining matches including all India matches and the final.

However, BCCI is not willing to accept the hybrid model and has been influencing Asian Cricket Council (ACC) member boards to reject it too.
Following BCCI's stance, PCB might be looking to boycott the event as playing at a neutral venue would affect its efforts with regards to the return of international cricket in the country.

But, a BCCI official told an Indian media outlet that boycott is not an option for PCB.

"Those are just immediate reactions. PCB very well knows what position they are in and any money that comes through is important for them. I don’t think Pakistan can boycott. They will play in Asia Cup and World Cup. For the moment, they are trying whatever they can to keep it but it’s not going to happen," the official said.

“We will know next week as there will be an ACC meeting in Dubai after WTC. There are some concerns that need addressing and after that we will have the schedule for Asia Cup,” the official added.

The same report claimed that PCB has also sent an SOS to the International Cricket Council (ICC), asking the world body to intervene in the Asia Cup matter.

 

[MenInG]

Strong messages delivered:

The tournament will be hosted in a hybrid model with four matches being held in Pakistan, and the remaining nine matches being played in Sri Lanka.

“I appreciate the efforts of ACC President Jay Shah to strengthen the council so that we can collectively continue to protect each other’s interests and also provide opportunities and platforms to emerging Asian nations.”

 

[light]

I'am sick and tired of this Soap opera ... worse than the Saas Bahu serials!! Therefore Iam sincerely backing PCB to take the most draconian of measures, file lawsuits, force BCCI + Indian Gov hand to ban all ties with Pakistan.

And what do you think will be the outcome of doing this? It's not only BCCI, all of ACC and possibly the rest of the test-playing nation will side with BCCI. "You are with us, or against us" - No one will be with PCB, all will be against PCB. This world isn't set up in a fair way. Whoever has the money rules the rest, and the rest just follows.

What you're suggesting is death to PAK cricket. Surely as a fan of cricket, you don't want that?

 

[uppercut]

And what do you think will be the outcome of doing this? It's not only BCCI, all of ACC and possibly the rest of the test-playing nation will side with BCCI. "You are with us, or against us" - No one will be with PCB, all will be against PCB. This world isn't set up in a fair way. Whoever has the money rules the rest, and the rest just follows.

What you're suggesting is death to PAK cricket. Surely as a fan of cricket, you don't want that?

I'am a Indian Cricket fan ... but most importantly there are lot more things in the world that are more important than cricket at the moment(for both countries actually!! )

 

[light]

I'am a Indian Cricket fan ... but most importantly there are lot more things in the world that are more important than cricket at the moment(for both countries actually!! )

Sure, I don't disagree with you. Neither do I agree with how BCCI is conducting this whole episode but my point was about cricket solely. Not stuff outside of cricket.

 

[MenInG]

Beggars cannot be chooser is what it is.

Sethi Sahib learnt that idea.